PipeChat Digest #186 - Sunday, January 4, 1998
 
Re: Weddings & New Year's Resolutions
  by JAMES H HAILEY <BALD1@prodigy.net>
Grand Opening of the New Server for #Pipechat IRC
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Howard Goodall
  by ManderUSA <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Happy New Year.Jason D. Comet
  by Jon C. Habermaas <joncharles@ameritech.net>
Re: Howard Goodall
  by Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com>
Re: Happy New Year
  by <t.lammers@fontys.nl>
Keeping On Topic (Re: Happy New Year)
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
RE: Happy New Year
  by Duncan Charig <charigd@illawarra.starway.net.au>
Barton in KC?
  by Frank Johnson <usd465@horizon.hit.net>
Re: Weddings & New Year's Resolutions
  by Douglas A. Campbell <dougcampbell@juno.com>
RE: Happy New Year
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Barton in KC?
  by Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: Barton in KC?
  by Frank Johnson <usd465@horizon.hit.net>
Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction?
  by ScottFop <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction?
  by Prestant16 <Prestant16@aol.com>
Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction? continued..
  by Prestant16 <Prestant16@aol.com>
Re: Happy New Year
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction? continued..
  by Prestant16 <Prestant16@aol.com>
Mozart K. 594
  by Kurt Kehler <kmkehler@compuserve.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Weddings & New Year's Resolutions From: "JAMES H HAILEY" <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:07:36 -0500     -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Weaver <JWeaver@foxvalley.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Weddings & New Year's Resolutions     >> >>Would you please tell me what program you use for that. I have no >> > > >Loren Weaver > > I use Cakewalk 6.0. It is a pretty good program for arranging. Also has a midi innerface. Cost is about $120.00   >Jim >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Grand Opening of the New Server for #Pipechat IRC From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:55:57 -0500   To all PipeChat-l members,   Join us this evening for the Grand Opening of our New Server for #Pipechat IRC   For full details go to our Web page at http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html, where you will find full instructions on how to log in and take part in the chat.   Remember this is for members of PipeChat-l only, in order to keep the bandwidth to a manageable size.   Bob Conway Co-owner of #Pipechat IRC   Happy New Year to you all.  
(back) Subject: Re: Howard Goodall From: ManderUSA <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:14:39 EST   In a message dated 98-01-02 00:57:28 EST, Stephen Karr wrote:   << I write this morning to ask of one Howard Goodall. I just finished watching a Mr. Bean marathon, and in one of them, it took place in a church, which contained some sort of organ. Mr. Goodall played the church organist. He also composed the music, and I'd like to know more about him. I'd also like to know what kind of relationship he has with the Southwark Cathedral Choir, which sings the title music. >>   I guess it was on PipOrg-L that there was a thread about Howard and his British Channel 4 series about the Pipe Organ in the world. His extensive travels throughout the U. S., Japan, and elsewhere were distilled down to four 30 minute programs, and some viewers thought it was a wonderful introduction to the Organ for non-initiates, and others thought it was too shallow to be of any use whatever. There was a famous battle of an electronic organ with the Alexandra Palace Willis, in which music students were asked to vote which they liked the best, or some such thing. I believe the vote was inconclusive!! As I wrote at the time, my own experience was spending almost an entire day with Howard, producer Rupert Evans (of the production company, "Tiger Aspect"), and a crew of six others at St. Ignatius Loyola in New York, the last organ shown in the series apparently. The action consisted of Howard walking down Park Avenue, hearing organ music, walking into the church and down the nave, looking up at the organ in the gallery, and then going upstairs to interview Kent Tritle, Organist at St. Ignatius, to have him play a piece (Dieu parmi nous), after which Howard played, I think, Ich ruf zu dir (which was supposed to accompany final views of the New York skyline in the sunset - scrapped, I believe). The walking down Park Avenue sequence took a couple of hours, as did the walk down the nave. The interview was quite lengthy, and there were a few takes for all the playing. I am told this all ended up as about 45 seconds on the program. I don't believe this series has aired here, although I did read on PipOrg-L that someone in this country is making this series available. Ben Chi has just posted information about accessing the PipOrg-L Archives, so it should be easy to find the fairly large number of postings, many from the UK, where the series was shown. Since my one day of glory as door guard, sandwich man, and liaison with the church office, I have seen Howard Goodall's previously unfamiliar name as composer of the music on a number of BBC TV programs - rather nice stuff, I thought. I don't know what connection he might have with the wonderful choir and organ of Southwark Cathedral.   I know no more,   Malcolm Wechsler (wishing all a Happy New Year) www.mander-organs.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Happy New Year.Jason D. Comet From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <joncharles@ameritech.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:34:07 -0600   Jason D. Comet wrote: > > Happy New Year list members. > > Sorry this is late. > > (just so the admin.isn't mad, I'll throw something organic in, just to > make them happy :-). ) > > I don' tknow if I'll be able to do the small Peterson test project I was > planning to do. Me parents are deciding kind of behind my back about > moving into my grandparents place with them. AGAIN!!! I can't stand > them most of the time. My grandmother has her own idea of what things > are, which are completly wrong! example: When Princess Di. was > announced dead, God rest her soul, you remember that the news said that > the Pavoratzie (I think that's how you spell it) was chasing her and made > her spin around and crashed, my grandmother told my mother, who had the > info. right, said Di was killed be Pavoratie, the singer! Don't ask! > > I don't like moving in with them because there house is SSSOOO small. My > grandfathers music room is a poarch that is only about 6' wide and about > 10' in length. THAT'S NO ROOM WHAT SO EVER TO PUT A PIPE ORGAN IN!!!!! > > I've got to go to bed. I'm very tired. > > Later... > Jason Comet > Bombarde8@juno.com > |\ > | \ > | Happy New Year..sorry to hear about your project set back..but keep the faith as this too will eventually pass. Even though you can't get started now you can still soak up alot of information that will give you leg up when you can start the project. I believe you said you're taking organ lessons..well if you can't start the project now it will leave some more practice time. When I was young I wasted alot of time and didn't take my music seriously. Now that I'm older I wish that I could play and have started taking lessons again. It is terrribly frustrating trying to find enough to work on the organ and practice. (Organ is not playing yet so my practice time is on the Conn) You didn't mention what flavor of organ you're interested in (theatre or classical) but whatever your choice there may be a chapter of one of the societies near you (American Theatre Organ Society or Organ Historical Society). There is alot of organ stuff out there on the Web so happy browsing. If I can find the time I'd like to put together a Web page so I can show the progress on the Opus 1100 (WurliTzer)...Have a happy New Year and I'll look forward to hearing about you in "98  
(back) Subject: Re: Howard Goodall From: Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:16:05 -0800   ManderUSA wrote: > ... > I guess it was on PipOrg-L that there was a thread about Howard and his > British Channel 4 series about the Pipe Organ in the world.   I got my copy of the VHS tape through the Allen Organ Co. website, who apparently produced the version available in the US. I was amazed at how low-key they were about their part in it; the opening scene briefly showed an Allen Theatre organ playing at a hockey game, and again near the end the blindfold test of an Allen vs. a real pipe organ. Howard Goodall called it a draw, but I think an actual count of hands would show the pipes winning by maybe one or two. To my ears the pipes had a definite presence missing from the electronic sound.   The stereo sound on the tape is excellent, clacky-tracker noises and all can be heard on the older instruments, recorded close-up. I recommend it to all who can't tour Europe and the US for first-hand experience of these instruments.     Mac Hayes mach37@ptw.com Notary Sojac    
(back) Subject: Re: Happy New Year From: t.lammers@fontys.nl Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:44:39 +0000     > Please explain this. Reply to: > Spaetzleherstellungsauslieferungslagererforschungsinstitut, > bei chamade@early.com > We have to keep on topic. So what is a: Reichsangestelltevorprogrammierteorgelregistration- hinundherschieber?   Happy new year Gl'uckliches Neujahr Gelukkig Nieuwjaar   Tom -=T.Lammers=- t.lammers@fontys.nl   Fontys Hogescholen PO Box 347 5600 AH Eindhoven Netherlands +31 40 260 5401  
(back) Subject: Keeping On Topic (Re: Happy New Year) From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:57:22 +0000       t.lammers@fontys.nl wrote:   > We have to keep on topic. So what is a: > Reichsangestelltevorprogrammierteorgelregistration- > hinundherschieber?   It's a mouthful.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: RE: Happy New Year From: Duncan Charig <charigd@illawarra.starway.net.au> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:20:43 +1100       -----Original Message----- From: PipeChat [SMTP:pipechat@pipechat.org] Sent: Friday, January 02, 1998 9:00 PM To: PipeChat Subject: PipeChat Digest #185 - 01/02/98     Subject: Happy New Year. From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:19:07 -0500   I don't like moving in with them because there house is SSSOOO small. = My grandfathers music room is a poarch that is only about 6' wide and = about 10' in length. THAT'S NO ROOM WHAT SO EVER TO PUT A PIPE ORGAN = IN!!!!! I am able to operate quite easily (including teaching) in a music room = 6'6" by 12'. It at one time housed a piano, electronic organ, keyboard = and computer, plus stored a lot of my music. I have since moved my = computer and keyboard out but not because of a room problem. Then I = wouldn't try to put a pipe organ in an average sized house. Duncan Charig   =00  
(back) Subject: Barton in KC? From: usd465@horizon.hit.net (Frank Johnson) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:32:06 -0600   I heard a radio news story this evening that a Barton theater organ is being rebuilt to put BACK into it's original home in Kansas City. Can anyone share more infor about that piece of news? Thanks.   Frank   Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings & New Year's Resolutions From: dougcampbell@juno.com (Douglas A. Campbell) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 07:48:09 EST     On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:07:36 -0500 "JAMES H HAILEY" <BALD1@prodigy.net> writes: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joyce Weaver <JWeaver@foxvalley.net> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 2:41 PM >Subject: Re: Weddings & New Year's Resolutions > > >>> >>>Would you please tell me what program you use for that. I have no >>>   >>Loren Weaver >> >> I use Cakewalk 6.0. It is a pretty good program for arranging. >Also >has a midi innerface. Cost is about $120.00 > >>Jim   I have found a program called "Note Worthy Composer" on the net. It is available as a trial download at ntworthy.com.   The complete version is only $ 40.00 !   It doesn't do everything that some of the more expensive programs does , but it does function well. _ it does have direct midi inerface as well a tranposition capability asnd seperate parts print out options.     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY  
(back) Subject: RE: Happy New Year From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:41:00 -0500   Duncan, Your music room sounds like an organ with a reversed console.... so that the keyboards are inside of the case!!!!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Barton in KC? From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 07:23:21 -0800   At 00:32 1/3/98 -0600, Frank Johnson wrote: > I heard a radio news story this evening that a Barton theater >organ is being rebuilt to put BACK into it's original home in Kansas City. >Can anyone share more infor about that piece of news? > Thanks.   I read about that in a recent ATOS journal artical, but I can't find it. How about it ATOSers. If my memory serves, it is about 8ranks or so...     Regards,   Bob        
(back) Subject: Re: Barton in KC? From: usd465@horizon.hit.net (Frank Johnson) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:41:01 -0600   >At 00:32 1/3/98 -0600, Frank Johnson wrote: >> I heard a radio news story this evening that a Barton theater >>organ is being rebuilt to put BACK into it's original home in Kansas City. >>Can anyone share more infor about that piece of news? >> Thanks. > >I read about that in a recent ATOS journal artical, but I can't find it. >How about it ATOSers. If my memory serves, it is about 8ranks or so...   Thanks   Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction? From: ScottFop <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:55:51 EST   In a message dated 98-01-03 13:31:25 EST, you write:   << Although I am extremely fond of fine pipe organs, I must say that I > believe economics has rendered the breed a dinosaur. I will not > live to see the process of extinction become complete, but I firmly > believe that there are individuals now alive who will. .. . . Ladies and Gentlemen, Maestras and Maestros: I would tend to differ with that view. If any acoustic instrument still in use a century ago were truly headed for extinction, then why does Perlman play a Strad? >>   Well, I have definite opinios on this one since I have dealt with pipe organs (both fine and not so fine) and additions to them AND the very latest in digital instruments.   There are pipe organ builders who build good instruments and work WITH the churches and institutions- building a unique and "personal" instruemnt for them in accordance to what the buyer and organist requested and in accordance with what was NEEDED for that particular congregation/situation. There are also builders (believe me- I can show you at least one!) who build and install what THEY want to and what THEY think the buyer needs, no matter what is said or requested or no matter what type of liturgical needs there may be.   With digital organs one can purchase so much more instruement (stops) with a specified price than one can with pipes. And now days- digital organs are so very fine that in many cases it is indistinguishable to many peoples' ears whether they are hearing pipes or digitally generated tones. The new Renaissance Series by Allen simply has to be heard and played in person to be believed it is so very good. An instrument that is able to be voiced and regulated as these new organs is, to me, every bit as desirable as a pipe organ with a limited number of stops (especially if the acoustics where the organ will be installed are good).   Lyn Larsen said it best on the "Fanfare" CD: "Finally- I was asked recently why I would choose to use an electronic organ to record on when I have usually recorded on theatre pipe organs. The answer is quite simple: I always look for sounds and tone colors that will serve the music and that will touch the insides of the listener. I'm not the least bit interested in whether these sounds come from pipes, digital samples, or your Aunt Emily's kazoo. the important thing is the final reaches the listener's ear, and in this case- I think the sound and the ensemble are absolutely fantastic!" (referring to the, then, largest Allen Digital Theatre Organ yet built. the year was 1990).   I must say that I totally agree with Lyn and many of my other friends ald colleagues. There are MANY artists today who realize that they can get more real MUSIC out of a digital instrument than many pipe organs and that digital enhancement and additions can make an already good (or not so good) organ that much better and more complete.   I have played pipe and digital organs with great success. the Philadelphia Organ Quartet (Peter Conte, Michael Stairs, Rudy Lucente and Colin Howland) use digital instruments in all of their performances and very much enjoy them and the features they offer. And I don't think that anyone will dispute the fact that these four gentlemen are anything less than consummate musicians. For many years other artists as well have played both pipe and digital instruments with great success including Carlo Curly, the late Keith Chapman and my firend and mentor Tom Hazleton.   My final argument is that many pipe builders have pricd themselves out of the market to many churches, individuals and institutions. (This includes alterations oir minor additions). Yes- technology has a price- but for a builder to charge in excess of $10,000 PER RANK to me is unbelievable. Considering that one needs a modest two manual/pedal instrument of 25 to 30 stops- you are already at half a million dollars. Dare I say that an Allen Renaissance 450 (4 manuals with an equivalent 75 ranks or more and an incredibly complete specification) can be built, installed and paid for for less than that.   I also spoke with a major North American builder about two years ago regarding stock consoles vs. drawknob. For a medium sized three manual- I was quoted a MINIMUM of $100,000.00! Again- overly and rediculously excessive.   Well- that's enough soapbox for today. Food for thought, I hope.   Scott Foppiano  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction? From: Prestant16 <Prestant16@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:53:16 EST   You must realize that $ 10,000.00 per rank is quite reasonable considering all the work that is going into the pipe organ. Here is an example:   Just to build the pipes, the pipe maker must cast sheets of metal, plane the metal to thicnkess, size the metal, age the metal, (or get metal cast months before) cut the metal to the right dimensions, roll out each pipe, make languids, solder the pipes (just for flues, reeds are a whole other story) Then a person must rack each induvidual pipe. The voicer then takes the pipes and voices them to fit the church, cuts them to the final length, wich may take many days. Now that is just the pipes, then a wind chest must be built, which takes weeks. umber isn't cheap either, usually clear pine, and in some cases Mahogany is used for the wind chests, wich can cost up to and more than $ 4.00 a board foot (a board foor is a piece 12" x 12" by 1" thick) Then the keybards take about 400 hours to make each one. Of course before all this is done, the organ must be designed which can take  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction? continued.. From: Prestant16 <Prestant16@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:57:35 EST   which can take weeks. Now I think that $ 10,000.00 is a great price per rank for a pipe organ. I have worked for an organ company, on a 2 manual tracker insturment, which is taking 10 months to over a year to build, I estimate the cost is around $ 600,000.00 to $ 700,000.00. With about 12 people working on it full time, which is over 24,000 man hours. The people that build the insturments are very dedicated to their work, and I know many of them spend over 40hrs a week in the shop, some even work 12 or 14 hours a day.   Like I said, $ 10,000.00 is cheap   -William  
(back) Subject: Re: Happy New Year From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:22:54 -0500   >I am able to operate quite easily (including teaching) in a music room >= >6'6" by 12'. It at one time housed a piano, electronic organ, keyboard >= >and computer, plus stored a lot of my music. I have since moved my = >computer and keyboard out but not because of a room problem. Then I = >wouldn't try to put a pipe organ in an average sized house. >Duncan Charig ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Try putting two Conn organs, (one a two manual, the ohter a three), two electronic keyboards, all of my grandfathers music and mine (i've got three times as much as my grandfather as) two stereso systems, a recliner, two lamps. Not to mention all the other things I'm taking.   But there may be hope! They want to build-on to the side of the fromt of the house!   Later...... J  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction? continued.. From: Prestant16 <Prestant16@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:35:46 EST   I have doe out the math, and for anyone that might want to know. A large 2/40 built by, 10 people working 8 hours day, 5 days a week, for 52 weeks. It can beak down this way: $ 500,000.00 for one year $ 41,666.67 a month $ 9,615.38 per week $ 1,923.08 per day $ 240.38 per hour $ 4.01 per min., and $ 0.07per second   So, which would your method of payment be??????   -William Catanesye  
(back) Subject: Mozart K. 594 From: Kurt Kehler <kmkehler@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:24:56 -0500   Dear List,   Does anyone have a recording of Mozart's Fantasie in =   F Minor, K. 594? If so, could you email me the timing of this piece?   TIA   Kurt Kehler