PipeChat Digest #191 - Thursday, January 8, 1998
 
Re: Unsubscribing (LOL)
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction?
  by Douglas A. Campbell <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction?
  by Douglas A. Campbell <dougcampbell@juno.com>
The Phanton Organ - solved
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction?
  by Otto Pebworth <opebwrth@gte.net>
Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction?
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Unsubscribing (LOL) From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 10:16:46   Hi, folks--   In an effort to keep off-topic humor posts from getting out of hand on this list, I have begun my own humor list which has been up and running since the end of September. This list is *mostly* clean humor, assuming that all subscribers are adults. It is also not solely music humor, although there is the occasional post that is musical in nature. I subscribe to several humor lists, and I send on the ones that make *me* laugh.   I don't promise every post will be non-offensive, however. A sense of humor is highly personal, and what I find funny, you may not. However, I haven't had any complaints yet from the mostly Pipechat subscribers.   The posts go out rather sporadically.... some days there are none, other days there are, well, more than that. The most I have ever sent out in a day has been 5.   Interested? Follow these directions TO THE LETTER to subscribe:   Send email to pnst@itw.com with the subject of SUBSCRIBE GIGGLE. In the body, please provide the correct address where you wish to receive the GIGGLE LIST, followed by your name.   --Shirley      
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction? From: dougcampbell@juno.com (Douglas A. Campbell) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:48:44 EST     On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:13:21 -0500 cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) writes: >Charles, >There are many well built mechanical action organs that go for years >without service. You could do routine maintenance, and even learn to >tune without much difficulty. I consider that part of my job: >knowing >how to maintain the equipment with which I work and of which I am in a >sense curator. Believe me, it is not difficult to maintain a pipe >organ, especially something as simple as an 8 rank instrument, >unless, >of course, you have to have 8 generals and 42 levels of memory!!! > > bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o > ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o > Dear Bruce;   Although you seem to be the exception - I have seen far too many organists that in attempting to "do their own maintenance" have caused irreparible damage to organs. Others have just done things that would make anyone knowledgeable cringe : like using duct tape to "repair" chest leaks. Actions like this do nothing to overcome the basic problem - they are truly band-aids that only cover up the problem while it grows more severe!   I have seen "organist tuned" pipe where the scrolls have been broken completely off (and replaced with ? DUCT TAPE !) This is NOT the way to treat an instrument.   That is not to say that organists should be able to "touch up" the reeds on occasion, but leave maitenance to those who actually know what they are doing! (Again, you seems to be the exception, yourself, but I'm am concerned that others will assume that they can "mewss" with things and NOT know what should or should not be done!     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction? From: dougcampbell@juno.com (Douglas A. Campbell) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:48:43 EST     On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:53:11 EST CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> writes: >There are several things that cause me grief as an organist: >   > >When my church had a meeting last year about the future of the parish, >one of >the "dreams and desires" was for a pipe organ. Now, space is a bit of >a >consideration--you could probably fit a 2/7or 8 in there, but not much >more. >But what really concerns me would be maintenance. The maintenence of >even a >small instrument would be beyond the means of my congregation--as we >struggle >to pay our pastors monthly insult of a salary. > >OTOH, a digital would be ideal, IMO--buy once, pay once, plus a small >fee for >the annual service.   Dear Charles, The only problem with your assment of the situation is that the electronic will have to be replaced many times over the years. It is NOT buy it once - pay for it once ------rather it is buy it now, pay for it now, - buy another one in 20 years, pay for that, buy another one in another 20 years, etc. etc.   We have an instrument that is , frankly, in terrible shape. Somehow it keeps functioning. It is a III/40+ so it is not really small - we have an annual budget of $ 1,000 to provide maintenance AND tuning of BOTH the organ and the grand piano !   I have done extensive computer modelling of the financial aspects of organ purchase and long term maintenance. An endowment of approximqately 10% of the initial purchase price would provide for all major maintenance on a pipe organ (regardless of the type of action).   I would be happy to continue this discussion!     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY >Of course, if someone were to hit the lottery and donate a 2/8 tracker >and a >sizable endowment for maintenance, I would be the last to object. > >Wishing my parishoners good luck this new year > > >Charles > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: The Phanton Organ - solved From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:33:14 -0600   Hi,   Thanks for all the guesses. In case you might have been betting (or gave me the right answers), here are the official solutions according to the organ man:   CIPHER: a weak spring/unoiled moving part   TROMPETTE PROBLEM and "CRAZY" PIPES PROBLEM: lightning strike   Hope to keep hearing from everybody.   Kevin Cartwright Greenville, AL   kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction? From: Otto Pebworth <opebwrth@gte.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 21:08:09 -0500   Douglas A. Campbell wrote: >   > Others have just done things that would > make anyone knowledgeable cringe : like using duct tape to "repair" chest > leaks. Actions like this do nothing to overcome the basic problem - they > are truly band-aids that only cover up the problem while it grows more > severe! > > I have seen "organist tuned" pipe where the scrolls have been broken > completely off (and replaced with ? DUCT TAPE !) This is NOT the way to > treat an instrument. >   ---> Gues what? Organists aren't the *only* ones to duct-tape an instrument! I recently have seen 2 instruments that have been taped up by those who work on instruments for a living. One of these also had PVC pipe for wind line (nothing wrong with that, IMHO), that hadn't been glued... needless to say, it was quite interesting what happened when I was checking a wind leak on Christmas Eve!!! (let us just say that neither the organist or I were amused...) <---  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction? From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:02:34 -0500   Douglas, With all due respect to people of your level of committment, I have seen the exact same things which you described in you note (i.e., poorly tuned pipes, duct tape, slip-shod repairs, etc) done by service people who make a living doing organ repair work. It doesn't matter whether the person is a professional or not, if they are going to cheat and do damaging work that is what they are going to do. I wish all organ service people were reputable, and I wish that all organists were careful with their instruments.... but it just ain't so. If you really want to see some unbelievable crapmanship, visit Florida. I can show you situations that will curl your hair (even if you don't have any).   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o