PipeChat Digest #193 - Friday, January 9, 1998
 
Florida Ruffatti
  by Judy A. Ollikkala <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Mr. Campbell-Show Us the Research
  by Rick Anderson <rickan19@IDT.NET>
Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction?
  by James Burkholder <jburkhol@raex.com>
European IRC chat
  by <t.lammers@fontys.nl>
Re: Electronic organ longevity
  by CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com>
Re: Digital Organs:
  by CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com>
Private message posted in error.
  by Brian Pearson <bpearson@adelaide.on.net>
Re: Mr. Campbell-Show Us the Research/no don't
  by MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com>
Howard Goodall's Organ Works
  by Duncan Charig <charigd@illawarra.starway.net.au>
 


(back) Subject: Florida Ruffatti From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:53:43 -0500   Just returned from a much needed vacation in southern Florida where I was invited by Darryl-by-the-sea to see, hear and play the 5 manual Ruffatti pipe organ at Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Fort Lauderdale. I enjoyed this, and thought the organ was extremely versatile and well-voiced, had great reeds, strings, flutes etc. with much variety. Sorry I will miss hearing Todd Wilson's recital on Friday Jan. 9 as part of the Church Music Explosion happening this week. The sanctuary and organ case are both stunning, in a large space with an 80 foot ceiling, with beautiful Christmas decorations. Many thanks to Dr. Darryl Miller for his gracious hospitality during a busy time.  
(back) Subject: Mr. Campbell-Show Us the Research From: Rick Anderson <rickan19@IDT.NET> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:30:31 -0800     Douglas Campbell wrote...   have done extensive research into this for a number of >manufacturers and have discovered that ON AVERAGE a church electronic >organ is in place LESS than 20 years. Yes, there exceptions (that's how >an average is derived), but many of those "longer lived" organs are in >small churches that just won't replace them (regardless of how bad they >sound)until they fail completely. >EXAMPLE: A Large prestigious church in this area scrapped their pipe >organ and installed a "state - of - the - art" electronic They bought the >"Largest and Best" - within 20 years they discontinued using it and have >now purchased a large pipe organ. However, the electronic still sits >there - they can't find anyone to come and cart it away! > Where are the results of this research? I see one anecdotal example only.   My own extensive research in 1988 involved more than 400 recent installations of Rodgers electronic organs, electronic/pipe combination organs and pipe organs. Most of the organs replaced by these new Rodgers organs were Baldwin, Conn or Hammond (one third replaced Hammonds). Allen, Saville, Wurlitzer and a number of other electronic brands were represented.   The average age of a replaced electronic organs was 24 years. For Hammonds it was 27years. For pipe organs, 51 years. The electronic number was reduced somewhat by some Yamaha organs that had been installed in churches and were replaced on at average age of nine years. Other home model organs installed in churches (as opposed to Rodgers/Allen models designed for church use) tended to have short lifetimes. Replaced, in this survey, did not mean the organ no longer worked or couldn't be repaired. Usually churches just wanted to upgrade to a better instrument.   For those of us who sell organs, one of the biggest problems in replacing 30 or 40 years electronics is that most of them work just fine and have excellent repair records. Today's instruments sound much better and will last much longer and are definitely more trouble-free, but many churches are simply happy with the trouble-free older instruments they think sound just fine.   Because older, 20 to 30 year, Rodgers models are in big demand as home practice instruments, we regularly sell smaller AGO console model Rodgers for about their original retail price in the used organ market. We also have a three manual, seventeen rank pipe organ I can't seem to get anyone interested in.   Show us your research. I can't believe an average life of only 20 years, unless you are talking about mostly home type instruments which churches tend to get dissatisfied with in a relatively short time and you aren't really talking about life span, but time until replaced/upgraded.   RICK    
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organs: live pipes headed for extinction? From: James Burkholder <jburkhol@raex.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:34:08 -0500   >In speaking with a local Allen organ dealer last year (1997) I was informed >that an area church could justify replacing their c1960 Allen, based on the >'projected' availability of repair parts.   Although I can't believe that "pipes are headed for extinction", I purchased a Conn electronic instrument a couple years ago. The company was already out of business and I questioned the technician (not employed by the seller) about parts availability. His response was that everything could be bought on the open market, much of it from Radio Shack. Sort of scarred me, but I've since learned this particular guy was a Conn factory trained tech.   Personally I play for my own enjoyment. I use our church organ once a week or so, but find being able to go down into the basement where the Conn lives (wife can't stand organ music) anytime I wish and play to my hearts content is great. I hasten to say that had I the space and money I would greatly prefer to have a nice pipe organ living here.      
(back) Subject: European IRC chat From: t.lammers@fontys.nl Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:02:47 +0000   Hi Folks,   Bob suggested to have an European pipechat (the usual hours are very uncomfortable for europeans: 3.00 AM!) at Saturday 8.00 Central European time. This is also a convenient time for eastern America and Canada (2.00 PM). But alas, not convenient for Australia (5.00 AM, sorry Sheridan).   Greetings,   Tom     -=T.Lammers=- t.lammers@fontys.nl   Fontys Hogescholen PO Box 347 5600 AH Eindhoven Netherlands +31 40 260 5401  
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic organ longevity From: CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:07:47 EST   In a message dated 98-01-08 12:14:04 EST, you write:   << My church has a Rodgers that is now entering its 22nd year with no repairs other than spot tuning and burned-out lights. >>   Played a Rodgers for my sister's wedding--quite nice, actually. Best digital reeds i ever played.  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organs: From: CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:05:24 EST   In a message dated 98-01-08 10:23:01 EST, you write:   << Let us look at this in the light of day, instead of the smoke screen usually used by electronic organ sales professionals. >>   (alot of snipped vitriol)   GENTLEMEN PLEASE!!! There are women present!   Yes, occasionally fail. And you and I know that tin-lead alloys NEVER corrode, pipe builders are ALL equally competent, churches NEVER decide that a good way to save money would be to turn off the air conditioning AND drop the organ service contract, wood NEVER dry rots, leather never wears.   And I can sell you a time share on some great swampland in the Everglades--where your tin-lead alloys should corrode even less :-)  
(back) Subject: Private message posted in error. From: bpearson@adelaide.on.net (Brian Pearson) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:39:16 +0930   I must apologize for the posting of a message about the Goodall television organ series which was meant to go to one subscriber, but instead went to the list.   Fortunately, there was probably enough of general interest to prevent the message being a complete waste of time. Nevertheless, I must make it clear that I am not in the business of wholesale copying of programmes for others, and intended this to be a one-off favour for an interested person who would otherwise have no access to the programme concerned.   Incidentally, I was not very impressed with the opening scenes taken at what appeared to be a large theatre organ console, but which very definitely sounded different from a pipe organ. While I am of the opinion that digital instruments like the one shown and heard are improving by leaps and bounds to the point where they sound fine within their own parameters, I wonder why one of the marvellous large glass enclosed pipe instruments in a pizza restaurant (eg. that at Phoenix) was not used. Perhaps this will be rectified in one of the three episodes which I have not as yet seen. Certainly the historic classical instruments and the buildings which house them that were shown in this first episode were of very great interest.   The time to demonstrate the state-of-the-art digital organs is at the end of the series, alongside the modern tracker and EP insruments of their own recent era. There is no doubt that they fill a great need for quality music in venues which cannot afford the room and/or finance for a pipe organ, and the best of them (including other organs by the maker concerned) are remarkably close to the "real" thing.   Cheers, Brian.      
(back) Subject: Re: Mr. Campbell-Show Us the Research/no don't From: MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:07:37 EST   In a message dated 98-01-08 18:50:22 EST, you write:   << Subj: Mr. Campbell-Show Us the Research Date: 98-01-08 18:50:22 EST From: rickan19@IDT.NET (Rick Anderson) Sender: pipechat@pipechat.org Reply-to: pipechat@pipechat.org (PipeChat) To: pipechat@pipechat.org (PipeChat) Douglas Campbell wrote... >> Do not blame Mr. Campbell. We have seen people like him for years with ersatz "research" etc Just ignore his ilk. The conversation was interesting before his babbling, was it not?.  
(back) Subject: Howard Goodall's Organ Works From: Duncan Charig <charigd@illawarra.starway.net.au> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:20:13 +1100   Hi All,   I watched Howard Goodall's Organ Works on ABC last Wednesday. The title = proved to be somewhat misleading as the programme was not about Howard = Goodall or his organ works. It was in fact the first of a series of = programmes on the history and construction of the organ presented by = Howard Goodall. It was well put together and nicely presented with = interviews of both amateur and professional organ builders. One weakness = of the programme, at least for me, was that having introduced an organ = little more than a few bars were played on that organ. Perhaps a little = less concentration on historical explanations and a little more organ = playing would have been better. However it was a ray of sunshine in the = gloom of an austerity ABC in a non-ratings period. If anyone replies = that the ABC doesn't count ratings, I will throw a minor 2nd at them.   Duncan Charig