PipeChat Digest #195 - Sunday, January 11, 1998
 
Re: So What?
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Duct Tape
  by Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Re: Duct Tape
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Whitman's Chocolates vs organ playing
  by CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com>
Fair Game
  by Roger <pamnroy@wolfenet.com>
Re: DO Voicing
  by CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com>
Re: Duct Tape
  by CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com>
Tape (and a comment on DO vs. PO)
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Whitman's Chocolates vs organ playing
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse)
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Duct Tape
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse)
  by Randolph Runyon <runyonr@po.muohio.edu>
Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse)
  by Giwro <Giwro@aol.com>
Re: Duct tape again!!
  by JILLIAN SCHULTHEIS <organgeek@geocities.com>
Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse)
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse)
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Mercer University (posted to both lists)
  by Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net>
Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse)
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re:  Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse)
  by CharlesHTu <CharlesHTu@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: So What? From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:13:46 -0600   MFulk70776 wrote:   >If it is an effective repair, who cares? >Why make a value judgement on trivia?   I care, and my church spends money for my tech to do things RIGHT. While you are at it, why don't you just spray-paint your console green? That's the same type of devaluation and harm to me. The problem is, most of the time duct tape is not an effective repair. I have not completely determined the cause, but there is ALWAYS a nice hiss coming from that area. No, this is not the regular wind noise my organ makes. I suspect my glimmering heap of duct tape on the transfer. We'll just see. I have been wrong before, but you will hear from me when this is resolved. :-0   Peacefully,   Kevin kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Duct Tape From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:56:03   Kevin writes: >... I just >happened to find duct tape on the TRANSFER air duct of my 19 rank, 1167 >pipe Wicks. Even being a 15 year-old organist, I get mad when I see >DUCT TAPE on my organ. Anything as beautiful as a pipe organ SHOULD NOT >BE DISCRACED BY D U C T T A P E .   OH, HORRORS UPON HORRORS! Not ... (dare I say it?)... DUCT TAPE?!?   But seriously, my friends ...   So, Kevin, did it work? If it did, perhaps it was only a temporary measure forgotten by whoever put it there.   Or are you objecting to the color? Maybe you would prefer chartreuse, or a gentler mauve? [tee hee!]   >Anyway, the person who thought he >or she could permanently stop a TRANSFER leak with it was a "qualified" >tuner or technician!   Maybe that techie used duct tape because that's all they had on hand. Maybe it wasn't a techie at all, but an inexperienced organist who just wanted to stop the leak without spending the church's money.   Kevin, if you are in charge of the instrument's maintenance, I suggest you make up a "shopping list" for your organ technician of things that need work, and then ask him/her if they can replace the duct tape with something more secure. BTW, you might want to ask how much such a replacement will cost, and if it is really worth the extra expense, or will duct tape do just as well. (I apologize in advance - I am not familiar with the in's and out's of PO maintenance, so to me, duct tape seems to be a logical repair choice if I have it but don't have whatever is better, and if I'm in a hurry or if I don't want to run up a big bill.)   And, Kevin, calm down. Life is too short to get all a-fluster over duct tape. Wait until you've been working for a church with a fantastic instrument, people who strew rose petals in your path when they see you coming, and an incredibly large salary, and then you get fired for "personality reasons" right after you make a down payment on a larger home. It happens, and if it does to you (I certainly hope not), I hope an understanding group of organists and builders and techies like this one will still be here to offer you their sympathies and sage advice.   Oh, and try to have a little fun on the organ, too, whenever you can get away with it. Makes the job so much more enjoyable.   Regards, \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Re: Duct Tape From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:43:58 -0500   At 07:56 PM 1/10/98, VW wrote: >And, Kevin, calm down. Life is too short to get all a-fluster over duct >tape. Wait until you've been working for a church with a fantastic >instrument, people who strew rose petals in your path when they see you >coming, and an incredibly large salary, and then you get fired for >"personality reasons" right after you make a down payment on a larger home. > It happens, and if it does to you (I certainly hope not), I hope an >understanding group of organists and builders and techies like this one >will still be here to offer you their sympathies and sage advice. > >Oh, and try to have a little fun on the organ, too, whenever you can get >away with it. Makes the job so much more enjoyable.   With which Bob Conway heartily agrees!   Enjoy life whilst you can, and let the dust settle on the duct tape! I would add that duct tape is mighty useful stuff to have around! it has "saved my bacon" in all manner of instances. - Don't knock it!   Back home in London, I always used Electical Tape for many repairs, but duct tape is two inches wide, and works even better!   Best Wishes. Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Classics Director and Organic DeeJay CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz Radio Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 CANADA    
(back) Subject: Whitman's Chocolates vs organ playing From: CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:46:32 EST   In a message dated 98-01-09 14:36:56 EST, you write:   << playing on it is more fun than having a whole box of Whitman's chocolates all to myself. >>   NOTHING beats having a whole box of Whitman's chocolates to myself--except perhaps a whole batch of raw chocolate chip cookie dough.   Charles (whose weight increases by the minute)  
(back) Subject: Fair Game From: "Roger" <pamnroy@wolfenet.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:04:57 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BD1DBF.F87F6720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   After a long trip across the country and long, slow climb to the top of = the pass, the teamster pulled his 18-wheeler over at the first tavern = over the state line and went in for a bit of well deserved refreshment. = As he went in, he noticed a large hand written sign that said, "NO = ORGANISTS ALLOWED IN HERE."=20   As he sat down at the bar the he asked the bartender the meaning of the = sign. The bartender replied, "I just don't like 'em, they have shifty = feet and this peculiar smell. And some of the older ones wear funny = glasses." And then he wrinkled up his nose and said, "Are you an = organist? You smell like an organist."=20   The driver assured him that he was not an organist. But he did have a = truckload of organs that he was hauling across the country. It was = stuffed full of lots of little ones and a couple of big ones. And the = smell of those organs must have rubbed off on him. The bartender = accepted that with a comment about he'd better not have shifty feet and = then poured him a tall, cool drink.=20   As the driver sat sipping his drink another person came and sat at the = bar. He kept moving his feet around. The bartender approached him = suspiciously, took a deep whiff, reached for his shotgun and blew the = guy away.=20   The driver was horrified. You can't do that he exclaimed. "Yep, sure = can." replied the bartender, "It's open season on organists now." The = driver finished his drink and left.=20   As he got closer to his destination, a car cut in front of him. As he = swerved to miss it, he dropped the rear wheel over the shoulder, and the = truck rolled over the bank. As trailer flipped over, the door sprang = open. Organs and organ parts were strewn widely.=20   The driver extricated himself from the truck along with his phone. And = went about calling for help. Then he noticed that people were stopping = and beginning to help themselves to the organs and organ parts. He = yelled at them and as he went to chase them away he noticed they smelled = like the organs! But it did no good. More kept showing up. And dancing = around with funny little steps, they were hauling the organs back to = their vehicles.=20   With that the driver return to his truck got out his gun and began to = shot at them. Just then a state patrolman came roaring up with siren = screaming and lights flashing. As he pulled up, the patrolman yelled at = the driver, "Stop, you can't do that!"=20   "But I thought it was open season on organists in this state," replied = the driver.=20   "It is," said the patrolman, "but you=92re not allowed to bait them!"     ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BD1DBF.F87F6720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.2110.0"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D2> <P>After a long trip across the country and long, slow climb to the top = of the=20 pass, the teamster pulled his 18-wheeler over at the first tavern over = the state=20 line and went in for a bit of well deserved refreshment. As he went in, = he=20 noticed a large hand written sign that said, &quot;NO ORGANISTS ALLOWED = IN=20 HERE.&quot; </P> <P>As he sat down at the bar the he asked the bartender the meaning of = the sign.=20 The bartender replied, &quot;I just don't like 'em, they have shifty = feet and=20 this peculiar smell. And some of the older ones wear funny = glasses.&quot; And=20 then he wrinkled up his nose and said, &quot;Are you an organist? You = smell like=20 an organist.&quot; </P> <P>The driver assured him that he was not an organist. But he did have a =   truckload of organs that he was hauling across the country. It was = stuffed full=20 of lots of little ones and a couple of big ones. And the smell of those = organs=20 must have rubbed off on him. 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(back) Subject: Re: DO Voicing From: CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:57:48 EST   In a message dated 98-01-09 23:18:06 EST, you write:   << And then maybe compare that to what you think should be available, IOW are we approaching the ultimate in the amount of voicing control that is being provided? >>   The ability to alter voicing is usually "A very good thing", OTOH, you have to have realistic expectations about the "selling" of instruments. Quick story to illustrate:   Couple of years ago, I bought a digital piano for club dates (NEVER buy the home models, they're overpriced and under-able, IM-not-so-HO) I knew what I wanted. I got 32-note polyphony, a good sound for club dates (stands up to the guitar), and the best digital action on the market (again, IMO) All this for $1,000 US. For twice the money, I could have gotten more polyphony, ability to edit voices, sequencer etc etc etc. I didn't need any of those, so I made a value decision. IMO a very good one.   Most organists will accept an instrument that is well voiced for its space, regardless of the method of sound generation. Most organists will complain about an organ that sounds bad in its space, again regardless of sound generation. The ability to alter voicing on the fly is not something that organists have expected nor demanded. This ability to do so would add significantly to the cost of the instrument.   For the cost of Allen/Rogers/etc biggest tricked-out digital, you can get a studio synthesizer system with the same polyphony PLUS the ability to alter sounds in ways that truly amazing. However, this instrument lacks several important features:   1. No speakers or amplifier   2. No fancy wood cabinet   3. Only one manual w/ no pedals   4. No one to convince your congregation that it would be a good thing   etc etc etc   charles    
(back) Subject: Re: Duct Tape From: CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:05:13 EST   In a message dated 98-01-10 11:49:53 EST, you write:   << Back home in London, I always used Electical Tape for many repairs, but duct tape is two inches wide, and works even better! >>   I suggest that you go to a theatrical supplier and purchase the miracle product known as "gaffer's tape"   Gaffer's tape is the product that duct tape WISHES it were. Consider this:   Gaffer's tape, being used for stage productions, is designed to be REMOVED cleanly--even after several years. Try that with duct tape.   A "gaffer" is a stage electrician. IOW gaffer tape is an electrical insulator.   Gaffer's tape tears cleanly, both lengthwise and crosswise--so you can get any size piece you need.   Shame on your technician for using "duck tape" to do the work of gaffer tape!!   Cheers     Charles  
(back) Subject: Tape (and a comment on DO vs. PO) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:45:21 -0600   Dear \/\/\ and the rest,   I am not in charge of the maintainence, but I am the only one who knows about the mighty pipe organ in my church. The main organist (I am not the main organist) couldn't have put duct tape on the organ. All she knows is it has pipes and keys and pedals and makes a hissing sound when it is on, and..........   Anyway, we have also had the same tech for years, and he should have replaced it by now. Also, I did leave a big list for him when he came to work last Wednesday. I'll keep everyone posted.   Kevin C., who believes a pipe organ can blow away a digital any day. Kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Whitman's Chocolates vs organ playing From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:52:29 -0600   CDKrug wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-09 14:36:56 EST, you write: > > << playing on it is more fun than having a whole box of Whitman's > chocolates all to myself. > >> > > NOTHING beats having a whole box of Whitman's chocolates to myself--except > perhaps a whole batch of raw chocolate chip cookie dough. > > Charles (whose weight increases by the minute) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     A whole batch, you must get THIRSTY. I think I would rather have the chocolates. But, when the chance comes, I would give just about anything to play a different pipe organ for an hour or two.   Kevin kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse) From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:21:55 -0500   Chapel seats about 75 or so. Fortunately there is a real (almost, EP!) 2/21 Moller + partyhorn in the nave. Also, there is hope and faith!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Duct Tape From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:00:51 -0500   Yo! Good advice Vernon. This one makes Jason look absolutely docile!!! Youth!!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse) From: runyonr@po.muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:05:37 -0500   >Chapel seats about 75 or so. Fortunately there is a real (almost, EP!) >2/21 Moller + partyhorn in the nave. Also, there is hope and faith! > > bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o > ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     What's a partyhorn? One of those things people blow into on New Year's Eve?   Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu Organist and Music Director, Norwood Christian Church (Cincinnati, OH) Professor of French, Miami University (Oxford, OH)      
(back) Subject: Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse) From: Giwro <Giwro@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:56:02 EST   In a message dated 98-01-10 17:08:56 EST, you write:   << What's a partyhorn? One of those things people blow into on New Year's Eve? >>     Well, I have heard several different names for Chamade reeds/high pressure solo reeds - Partyhorn, Yellow-bellied Sapsucker (the kind that rob so much wind the rest of the WP sags ;-P ) Diesel Horn, Honker, Trumpet of Jesus - I think that is what Bruce means, isn't it? Anyone else hear/know of creative nicknames like the above?   Jonathan  
(back) Subject: Re: Duct tape again!! From: JILLIAN SCHULTHEIS <organgeek@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:19:42 -0500   Kevin,   Well, I just had an incident about 3 months ago tuning the organ at my church. The guy (or, should I say FREAK) that installed the thing put DUCT TAPE over the mouth of a 4' flute, and put it in the String Celeste rank! :| And he also used aluminum foil in the Melodia! I find something that bugs me everytime I tune it. I can't stand it anymore.... need a new organ. EVEN an electronic would be better than this! BTW, are you really 15? So am I!   The power of the reed be with you always, Jill Schultheis organgeek@geocities.com  
(back) Subject: Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse) From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:05:18   At 17:05 01/10/98 -0500, you wrote:   >What's a partyhorn? One of those things people blow into on New Year's Eve? > >Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu       Oh! I thought it was a Kinura! :)    
(back) Subject: Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse) From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:54:31 -0500   Randy, partyhorn is colloquial for Trompette-en-chamade. Actually it was, I think, Virgil Fox who coined that with his Rogers which had a Trompete de Fete, translated "partyhorn".   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Mercer University (posted to both lists) From: Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:35:21 -0500 (EST)   Good evening, all-   I have just returned from a fabulous two day trip to Macon, GA to visit Mercer University and audition for a music scholarship. While there, I met extensively with Dr. Robert Parris, organist there for 19 years. He gave me my first lesson in improvisation last night, teaching me tricks of improvising a Pachelbel-esque toccata. The organs there are magnifique, though they're of a German bent. Two of them are built by Richards-Fowkes. They're both very small, one of two manuals in a practice studio (Op. 3, I believe), each manual having a different 8' flute, and the pedals having another 8' flute. It is a delightful little instrument, built in the style of Arp Schnitger, mostly lead pipes, flat pedalboard, etc. The other is a bit larger, with a bit of upperwork. It has one manual, 8' flute, 4' principal & flute, Sesquialtera from middle C, 2' principal, II rank mixture, and a subbass 16' in the pedal with a pedal to manual coupler and tremulant. The one manual instrument is in Kellner (I think), and the two manual is close to well-tempered.   The crowning glory of the campus is the Holtkamp (c. 1984) in Newton Hall (the university chapel). It has three manuals, electric stop action, and tracker key action. My only problems with it were that the swell pedal is a bit heavy, and that the blending (though nearly flawless out in the room) is screwy from the console, because the Swell is 35 feet above the console, and the Solo division (containing a very forward French Cromorne) is speaking directly into the organist's face. It is very well balanced in the room, and is a delight to hear and play. For my audition, I played the Bach BWV 565 Toccata & Fugue in d minor and Mendelssohn's Sonata II in c minor. I believe it all worked very well.   This had no point, but I still wanted to send it.   _____ | |_____ | || |_____ |Stephen || |_____ ______|F.P. Karr| || |_____ ______ |o o || || || || || |_____ | o o| | o o||Student Organist || || |_____ |o o | |o o || || || || || || || | | o o| | o o||Organist and Director of Music, | |o o | |o o || Bethlehem Lutheran Church|| | | o o| | o o|| || || || || || || | |o o | |o o || Aiken, SC || || || || | | o o| | o o| \ / \ / \U/ \S/ \A/ \ / \ / |o o | |o o | V V V V V V V | o o| | o o|_____________________________________|o o | |o o || E E | E E E | E E | E E E | E E | || o o| | o o||_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_||o o |    
(back) Subject: Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse) From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:06:48 +0000   Giwro wrote:   > << What's a partyhorn? One of those things people blow into on New > Year's > Eve? >> > > Well, I have heard several different names for Chamade reeds/high > pressure > solo reeds ... Anyone else hear/know of creative > nicknames like the above?   Sure! Glory Horn, Horizontal Honker, Cor de Frommage, among others.   My favorite is "Tuba Interfactum" which is Latin for "killer trumpet."   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Re: DO vs PO (Same song, 414th verse) From: CharlesHTu <CharlesHTu@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:45:15 EST   trumpet -en-camode