PipeChat Digest #197 - Monday, January 12, 1998
 
Re:       IRC-chats
  by Sheridan Mascall <sheridan.mascall@visionet.com.au>
I'm new in pipechat
  by HDKarras <HDKarras@aol.com>
IRC Chat tonight, Monday 12th January 1998
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: What's in an enchamade name?
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Interesting Oboe Horn?
  by Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: I'm new in pipechat
  by Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: Interesting Oboe Horn?
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Interesting Oboe Horn?
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
sampling
  by <jerry@cluff.net>
Re: Interesting Oboe Horn?
  by Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: What's in an enchamade name?
  by Douglas A. Campbell <dougcampbell@juno.com>
sampling
  by <jerry@cluff.net>
Re: I'm new in pipechat
  by Vincent lefèvre <vlefevere@unicall.be>
Re: I'm new in pipechat
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Interesting Oboe Horn?
  by Douglas A. Campbell <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Interesting Oboe Horn?
  by Douglas A. Campbell <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Organ Speaker Designs
  by Greg <klingler@IDT.NET>
Re: Duct tape again!!
  by dmjd <jimdave@rnet.com>
RCPT: IRC-chats
  by Andrew Wallace <awallace@CSU.edu.au>
Moller Organ
  by Ted Potter <tpotter@3-cities.com>
Re: Duct tape again!!
  by MW ORGLBAU <MWORGLBAU@aol.com>
Re: Organ Speaker Designs
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: sampling
  by CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com>
Re: Duct tape again!!
  by CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com>
Re: Duct tape again!!
  by Prestant16 <Prestant16@aol.com>
Re: Organ Speaker Designs
  by Anderson W. Wacaser <wacaser@worldnet.att.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: IRC-chats From: sheridan.mascall@visionet.com.au (Sheridan Mascall) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:07:02 +1100     -----Original Message----- From: TM LAMMERS <T.Lammers@fontys.nl> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, 12 January 1998 7:25 Subject: IRC-chats     >Hi Folks, > >The chat from friday night (saturday morning for me....) was well >visited. Several people were 'in' an hour before scheduled time. Wenn >I left at the scheduled beginning (3:00 AM for me) about 6 paople >were 'in'. >The saturday chat (8:00 PM for mid-europe/2:00 PM EST) stayed limited >to 2 people: Arno from Trier/Germany and myself. Bob came in for a >few minutes, but left after a short time to clear his yard from >broken trees. Arno and I closed after an hour and nevertheless we had >a nice chat together. >Folks, where were you? Still all in the shopping-malls?   In Melbourne, me, and at 5am local time, asleep :) Glad you had fun though.   ~Sheridan~      
(back) Subject: I'm new in pipechat From: HDKarras <HDKarras@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:20:43 EST   Hi Folks,=0A=0Ai'm new in this interesting group. My Name is Hans-Dieter = Karras and i'm Music=0ADirector at Lutheran Brotherchurch St.Ulrici in Br= unswick (Germany) and=0AConcert Organist, also player of Theater-Organs. = Check out my Homepage:=0A<A HREF=3D"">http://members.aol.com/hdkarras/ind= ex.htm</A>=0AThis site is under construction, the english version follows= in couple weeks.=0ASorry.=0APlease write me about the Site and others, i= 'm very glas to found many e-=0Amails.=0A=0AOther question: Hath anybody = a copy of J.L.A. Lef=E9bure-W=E9ly's "Tarantella" for=0Aorgan. Long time = ago i heard this in a recital and never found this lovely=0Apiece.=0AI ma= ke no mistake, i don't talk about the "Bolero".=0A=0AThanks,=0AHans=0A    
(back) Subject: IRC Chat tonight, Monday 12th January 1998 From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:54:00 -0500   There will be our usual IRC Pipechat this evening, at 9.00 pm EST.   I may not be able to be there for long, - indeed, if at all, but I hope that all our regulars, and anyone else that would like to join in will do so.   We are still in the midst of the havoc caused by the ice storm in Eastern Canada and Northen New York State, which means intermittent power outage for me, but total power loss for many hundreds of thousands of others, especially in the rural areas.   It is minus 10 degrees Celsius this morning, and the local government is still advising people to stay at home. The damage is horrendous, and there is still danger of falling ice, and even now tree branches are snapping off all the time.   We are all OK, and I have power to my house, but there are many who have now been without power since last Wednesday. So far, there have been no casualties or injuries, - or if there has been they aren't being reported.   All the FM radio stations are off the air, the 600 foot high tower on Wolfe Island came down on Friday, - the only local radio is CKWS-AM which is still up and running.   My own radio station, CFRC-FM has been down since last Wednesday, due to a STL fault that cannot be fixed until the power comes back to the transmitter.   But we are managing! Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Classics Director and Organic DeeJay CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz Radio Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 CANADA    
(back) Subject: Re: What's in an enchamade name? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:48:56 -0600 (CST)   At 10:30 PM 1/11/98 EST, Malcolm Wechsler wrote:   >The enchamade reed on the west wall of the Princeton University Chapel was our >gift to the university. You will, of course, all know that the Princeton >University football team (it is football, isn't it?) is called the Tigers. The >university, or some of its committee members, at least, wanted this reed to be >called Tiger Trumpet. Meeting our objections, and those of others, French was >tried, but Trompette de Tigre did not offer much of an improvement, and nor >did Latin. It sounds every bit as fine, bearing the name Gallery Trumpet!   I wondered if they considered having a Roar Schalmei too? <g> BTW the University of Missouri call their team the Tigers too.   John.    
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting Oboe Horn? From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:32:31 -0800   At 00:17 1/12/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-01-11 20:08:43 EST, you write: > ><< > Had it been built that way by a builder on acid? Or had it been modified by >a > rebuilder on acid? > >> > Does "acid" equal LSD??? >   Yes, at least that is what I understood from the context... What the poster was asking is, "What was wrong with the idiot who did that?". My answer is, "Who Knows?". I only know that he had taken a beautiful rank and spoiled, but not ruined it. Removal of the tops restored it to its proper voice, which incidentally, was quite pretty.       Regards,   Bob        
(back) Subject: Re: I'm new in pipechat From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:39:10 -0800   At 06:20 1/12/98 EST, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > > i'm new in this interesting group. My Name is Hans-Dieter Karras and i'm Music > Director at Lutheran Brotherchurch St.Ulrici in Brunswick (Germany) and > Concert Organist, also player of Theater-Organs.   Welcome, Hans! I also play theatre organ, but no longer play in churches. It's good to have another theatre organist here!     Regards,   Bob        
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting Oboe Horn? From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:53:26 -0500   >Does acid equal LSD??   Now, you guys, stop all those technical questions! (is that a duct-tape-joke?)   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting Oboe Horn? From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:59:38 -0500   The hack who made the Oboe d' plywood may have only a shred of respect left in the organ community, but my experience has been that they are often the most popular service person in town with the churches (he gives them "good" deals!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: sampling From: jerry@cluff.net Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:12:13 +0000   has anyone done any sampling of organ pipes using the Alesis or Peavey system. Any recommendation? thanks,  
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting Oboe Horn? From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:54:25 -0800   At 08:59 1/12/98 -0500, bruce cornely wrote: >The hack who made the Oboe d' plywood may have only a shred of respect >left in the organ community, but my experience has been that they are >often the most popular service person in town with the churches (he >gives them "good" deals! >   You hit the nail on the head in this case! This same 'technician' took a Wurlitzer Salicional, cut it at the mouth line to lower the upper lip, and revoiced it on about 5" wind, to install it in a church organ (different one). Mind you, at that time (late 60s), I was being GIVEN church organ strings for FREE. It got so you could identify the organs he worked on by the type of makeshift 'repairs' had been done...       Regards,   Bob        
(back) Subject: Re: What's in an enchamade name? From: dougcampbell@juno.com (Douglas A. Campbell) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:03:30 EST     >In a message dated 98-01-10 19:15:56 EST, Jonathan Orwig writes: > ><< Well, I have heard several different names for Chamade reeds/high >pressure > solo reeds - Partyhorn, Yellow-bellied Sapsucker (the kind that rob >so much > wind the rest of the WP sags ;-P ) Diesel Horn, Honker, Trumpet of >Jesus - I > think that is what Bruce means, isn't it? Anyone else hear/know of >creative > nicknames like the above? >> > In a stoplist I saw several years ago was a rank rank called, "Chamade de Gabriel" !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY  
(back) Subject: sampling From: jerry@cluff.net Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:50:42 +0000   has anyone done any sampling of organ pipes using the Alesis or Peavey system. Any recommendation? thanks,  
(back) Subject: Re: I'm new in pipechat From: " Vincent lefèvre" <vlefevere@unicall.be> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:21:19 +0100       HDKarras wrote:   > Hi Folks, > > i'm new in this interesting group. My Name is Hans-Dieter Karras and i'= m Music > Director at Lutheran Brotherchurch St.Ulrici in Brunswick (Germany) and > Concert Organist, also player of Theater-Organs. Check out my Homepage: > <A HREF=3D"">http://members.aol.com/hdkarras/index.htm</A> > This site is under construction, the english version follows in couple = weeks. > Sorry. > Please write me about the Site and others, i'm very glas to found many = e- > mails. > > Other question: Hath anybody a copy of J.L.A. Lef=E9bure-W=E9ly's "Tara= ntella" for > organ. Long time ago i heard this in a recital and never found this lov= ely > piece. > I make no mistake, i don't talk about the "Bolero". > > Thanks, > Hans >   Dear Hans, We looked to your website: fascinating! We send you a free copy of our la= test Newsletter in german. The text is corrected by somebody of Braunschweig b= tw (Dipl. Ing. Ute Kobelt)! Maybe you are interested to receive this document regul= arly (bimonthal). We invite you to visite our site: http://uc2.uncall.be/vlefevere/index.htm Vincent lef=E8vre (vlefevere@unicall.be)    
(back) Subject: Re: I'm new in pipechat From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:44:29   At 05:39 01/12/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 06:20 1/12/98 EST, you wrote: >>Hi Folks, >> >> i'm new in this interesting group. My Name is Hans-Dieter Karras and i'm >Music >> Director at Lutheran Brotherchurch St.Ulrici in Brunswick (Germany) and >> Concert Organist, also player of Theater-Organs. > >Welcome, Hans! I also play theatre organ, but no longer play in churches. >It's good to have another theatre organist here! > > >Regards, > >Bob   And I *used* to play theatre organ (*and* a lot of church organ), and am now an assistant church organist! :)   Welcome, Hans! What kind of theatre organ installations are in Germany?   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting Oboe Horn? From: dougcampbell@juno.com (Douglas A. Campbell) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:39:06 EST     On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:59:38 -0500 cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) writes: >The hack who made the Oboe d' plywood may have only a shred of respect >left in the organ community, but my experience has been that they are >often the most popular service person in town with the churches (he >gives them "good" deals! > > bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o > ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o > And WHAT is the REAL cost of these "good deals" ? ? ? ?     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY  
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting Oboe Horn? From: dougcampbell@juno.com (Douglas A. Campbell) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:39:06 EST     On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:16:42 -0800 Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> writes: >At 19:46 1/11/98 EST, you wrote: >>In a message dated 98-01-11 11:06:06 EST, you write: >><< once was called to tune an organ I'd never been in, and when >going to >> tune the 'Oboe Horn' stop, I found that it was an ordinary >Organ-type oboe, >> which had been "revoiced" by having discs cut from thin plywood >placed over >> the tops of the resonators and held in place with friction tape! >Not >> pretty, either to see or to hear! > >Modified by the re-installer, probably on bourbon, who also ran the >cable >behind the pews in the choir loft, up the steps to the main organ >('oboe >horn' was in the "new" echo at the front of the horse-shoe shaped >loft) and >across the aisle into the original case. I know his name, but I'll >protect >the small shred of respect he may have in the organ community by >keeping it >to myself!. > >Regards, > >Bob > Dear Bob,   By "protecting" this person you are only allowing more churches to be "suckered in" and thus having yet MORE damage done by yet another incompetant. Is this REALLY the right thing to do?   I think we have seen, just on this list, a number of excellent builders/re-builders and I know of many in my area who are either "excellent", "good" or "satisfactory" and a couple who are "unsatisfactory".   Why should we protect the "unsatisfactory" when their efforts continually result in damage to instruments that will be either very difficult or very expensive to "put right". What is gained?     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Speaker Designs From: "Greg" <klingler@IDT.NET> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:57:47 -0500   Hi all,   I've been following the speaker thread for a while and wanted to put in my "2 cents worth". Based on recent postings, I've noticed a pattern regarding speaker placement and sound dispersion.   Firstly, our church Rodgers sounds 100% better since the speakers were faced up and at differing angles to reflect the sound which supports earlier observations.   Secondly, reverb and slight chorusing really makes a big difference in the overall enhancement and perception of spacial disbursement with the speakers [We have two speaker "chambers" located about 25' off the floor on the left and right sides of the front of the auditorium which gives a fairly decent stereo spread].   Thirdly, as far as indirect "pipe resonance" goes; Conn experimented with this concept in the 1970's in that, not only did the speakers produce the sound they also reflected upwards, away from the listener and, most importantly, "RESONATED" at the played pitch. I wonder if anyone else has tried this and if so, what were the results / findings? Also, do you electronic users feel that if this type of speaker / pipe configuration were available today along with today's speaker technology, would you buy them? [Boy, I can hear the computer keyboards now; If you were to use simulated pipes, why not the "real thing" as they take up the same / similar space (but not the tuning and winding, etc. maintenance / room real pipes take up - GK.)].   Just a thought. Any others / ideas along these lines out there. I'd be interested in your opinions / observations.   Gregory F. Klingler Organist - Gateway Cathedral Staten Island, NY          
(back) Subject: Re: Duct tape again!! From: dmjd <jimdave@rnet.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:14:09 -0600   Dear Keven and Jillian: Lighten up already! I'm sure that you each have learned a great deal in your respective 15 years of life. In my 20+ years of organ maintenance, I, too, have learned a great deal. One of these is not to be too hasty in cutting down the work of people in the profession. I can remember a time when some people would have a stroke if they found papflex or plastic used in the windlines instead of galvanized, soldered, duct. Seems kinda silly now.   Re: the person mentioning the "aluminum foil in the melodia". There is a heavy foil, commercially available, that is sometimes used in "de-nicking" wood pipes to give them a bit of chiff and sparkle. Try it, you might like it. In the mean time, listen and learn, and ask questions! Sincerely, Jimmy D   -- Rainbow Ridge Farm Plainville Illinois        
(back) Subject: RCPT: IRC-chats From: "Andrew Wallace" <awallace@CSU.edu.au> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:40:45 GMT+10   Confirmation of reading: your message -   Date: 12 Jan 98 9:23 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: IRC-chats   Was read at 10:40, 13 Jan 1998.       * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Andrew R. Wallace * * Senior Lecturer in Education, * * Charles Sturt University, * * PO Box 588, Wagga Wagga. NSW. 2678. * * AUSTRALIA. * * * * Phone: 069 33 2375 * * Fax: 069 33 2888 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *  
(back) Subject: Moller Organ From: Ted Potter <tpotter@3-cities.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:08:05 -0800   I confess-- I've been a "lurker" for some time. I'm not extremely computer literate, so I apologize in advance if I do something incorrect. I'm not a musician, but my wife has been a church organist off and on for over thirty years (Lutheran, yet). She has always dreamed of having her own pipe organ. I found one recently, and bought we bought it. It is a Moller. The name plate on it says Opus 6439, 1936. It will fit nicely into our home, and we are now waiting for delivery. We paid $5,000 for it. My question is-- how do I get more technical information on it, and how to track the ownership. I bought it from a fellow who purchased from an estate sale in Yakima, Washington. I tried to call informatio of the Moller company, and can't seem to find it. Does it still exist? By the way, I think this instrument is called a "double artise"-- don't know if my spelling is correct. Any help would be appreciated.    
(back) Subject: Re: Duct tape again!! From: MW ORGLBAU <MWORGLBAU@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:35:31 EST   Dear Jimmy and List,   "I can remember a time when some people would have a stroke if they found papflex or plastic used in the windlines instead of galvanized, soldered, duct. Seems kinda silly now."   You really think so, uh? Call the doctor! There are still people out here (myself included) who do still have a stroke when seeing plastic windline in an organ, It's not silly, your right; It's downright foolish to have plastic in an organ. (And don't worry we've already had this exact discussion on Piporg-L recently).   So Keven and Jillian, from one who is celebrating 28 years in the organ industry this month, continue to speak up for what you think is right regardless of what others say.     Michael R. Williamson Williamson-Warne & Associates Hollywood Ca.  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Speaker Designs From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:29:20 -0600   Greg wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been following the speaker thread for a while and wanted to put in my > "2 cents worth". Based on recent postings, I've noticed a pattern > regarding speaker placement and sound dispersion. > > Firstly, our church Rodgers sounds 100% better since the speakers were > faced up and at differing angles to reflect the sound which supports > earlier observations. > > Secondly, reverb and slight chorusing really makes a big difference in the > overall enhancement and perception of spacial disbursement with the > speakers [We have two speaker "chambers" located about 25' off the floor on > the left and right sides of the front of the auditorium which gives a > fairly decent stereo spread]. > > Thirdly, as far as indirect "pipe resonance" goes; Conn experimented with > this concept in the 1970's in that, not only did the speakers produce the > sound they also reflected upwards, away from the listener and, most > importantly, "RESONATED" at the played pitch. I wonder if anyone else has > tried this and if so, what were the results / findings? Also, do you > electronic users feel that if this type of speaker / pipe configuration > were available today along with today's speaker technology, would you buy > them? [Boy, I can hear the computer keyboards now; If you were to use > simulated pipes, why not the "real thing" as they take up the same / > similar space (but not the tuning and winding, etc. maintenance / room real > pipes take up - GK.)]. > > Just a thought. Any others / ideas along these lines out there. I'd be > interested in your opinions / observations. > > Gregory F. Klingler > Organist - Gateway Cathedral Staten Island, NY > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   About speakers pointing upward; I tried this with my home theater system, and was VERY pleased with the results. The sound, should I say, "filled up" the room. Of course, on my organ, all of the reed pipes resinate better because the only openings are at the top. I am not a big DO or EO fan, but this is what I have learned: If you have a way to reflect the sound, it can be better imposed on the audience than directly from the source. Here, there is a split-second delay from all directions that the brain can not really decipher, but knows it is there. This gives the "seemingly" better tone. This somple theory is now being incorperated into many new buildings that require acoustic excellence. Where I live, the newest and best theater has speakers behind the screen and on the walls that point UP, not down.   Open minded,   Kevin Cartwright Greenville, Alabama kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: sampling From: CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:22:33 EST   In a message dated 98-01-12 09:16:38 EST, you write:   << has anyone done any sampling of organ pipes using the Alesis or Peavey system. Any recommendation? thanks, >>   What do you need/want/desire to do?   How much money are you willing to devote to the enterprise?  
(back) Subject: Re: Duct tape again!! From: CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:27:44 EST   In a message dated 98-01-12 20:48:43 EST, you write:   << You really think so, uh? Call the doctor! There are still people out here (myself included) who do still have a stroke when seeing plastic windline in an organ, It's not silly, your right; It's downright foolish to have plastic in an organ >>   In what circumstances is this objectionable? Is there some good engineering reason, or is it simply a case of aesthetic preference?   BTW--"It looks pretty" is most definitly NOT a good engineering reason. However, "It sounds like kaka" is.  
(back) Subject: Re: Duct tape again!! From: Prestant16 <Prestant16@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:26:44 EST   What about PVC wind lines, that seems VERY good. It is easily cut and it is not as lond as the flexable wind lines. It is also I THINK cheaper than the GOOD (not aluminum foil) flexable ductwork.   -William C.  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Speaker Designs From: "Anderson W. Wacaser" <wacaser@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:57:49 -0800   Kevin Cartwright wrote: > > Greg wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I've been following the speaker thread for a while and wanted to put in my > > "2 cents worth". Based on recent postings, I've noticed a pattern > > regarding speaker placement and sound dispersion. > > > > Firstly, our church Rodgers sounds 100% better since the speakers were > > faced up and at differing angles to reflect the sound which supports > > earlier observations. > > > > Secondly, reverb and slight chorusing really makes a big difference in the > > overall enhancement and perception of spacial disbursement with the > > speakers [We have two speaker "chambers" located about 25' off the floor on > > the left and right sides of the front of the auditorium which gives a > > fairly decent stereo spread]. > > > > Thirdly, as far as indirect "pipe resonance" goes; Conn experimented with > > this concept in the 1970's in that, not only did the speakers produce the > > sound they also reflected upwards, away from the listener and, most > > importantly, "RESONATED" at the played pitch. I wonder if anyone else has > > tried this and if so, what were the results / findings? Also, do you > > electronic users feel that if this type of speaker / pipe configuration > > were available today along with today's speaker technology, would you buy > > them? [Boy, I can hear the computer keyboards now; If you were to use > > simulated pipes, why not the "real thing" as they take up the same / > > similar space (but not the tuning and winding, etc. maintenance / room real > > pipes take up - GK.)]. > > > > Just a thought. Any others / ideas along these lines out there. I'd be > > interested in your opinions / observations. > > > > Gregory F. Klingler > > Organist - Gateway Cathedral Staten Island, NY > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > About speakers pointing upward; I tried this with my home theater > system, and was VERY pleased with the results. The sound, should I say, > "filled up" the room. Of course, on my organ, all of the reed pipes > resinate better because the only openings are at the top. I am not a > big DO or EO fan, but this is what I have learned: If you have a way to > reflect the sound, it can be better imposed on the audience than > directly from the source. Here, there is a split-second delay from all > directions that the brain can not really decipher, but knows it is > there. This gives the "seemingly" better tone. This somple theory is > now being incorperated into many new buildings that require acoustic > excellence. Where I live, the newest and best theater has speakers > behind the screen and on the walls that point UP, not down. > > Open minded, > > Kevin Cartwright > Greenville, Alabama > kevin1@alaweb.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   I had the exact opposite results in my home installation. I have a Wurlitzer with 11 ranks in a single pipe chamber. When I added a couple of electronic ranks, it was recommended to me that I place the speakers in the overhead of the chamber facing down. That seemed counterintuitive, so I pointed them up, which produced just ok results. Pointing them down produced a big improvement.   I think this just reinforces the fact that there are few pat answers in acoustics. Getting good results often seems to hinge on a lot of cut-and-try, superstition and dumb luck.   Regards, Andy