PipeChat Digest #205 - Monday, January 19, 1998
 
Re: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com>
Re: Trousdale Organ Co.
  by Robert Ridgeway <ridgeway@ais.net>
Re: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by Myosotis51 <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Theatre Pipe Organ FOR SALE (Cross Posted)
  by Jon C. Habermaas <opus1100@ameritech.net>
Re: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com>
(no subject)
  by Geri T Schipper <geriskip@juno.com>
(no subject)
  by Ronald Warren <rwarren@inreach.com>
Re: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Digital Rank Extensions?
  by David K. Cornutt <cornutt@hiwaay.net>
Re: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by GRS Co LVR <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Chenaults
  by <rnickel@itol.com>
Diane Bish
  by <rnickel@itol.com>
Re: Diane Bish
  by FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Diane Bish
  by KARL W KELLER <kwkeller@juno.com>
Re: Organ Wars (Was Diane Bish)
  by PipeLuvr <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Re: Organ Wars (Was Diane Bish)
  by SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com>
Re: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
TRIVO
  by Anderson W. Wacaser <wacaser@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Organ Wars (Was Diane Bish)
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Trousdale Organ Co.
  by W. G. Chapman <wchapmn@ibm.net>
Library of Fake Music for Theatre Organ
  by Ron Pearcy <ronniep@clear.net.nz>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Advice for Organists From: SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:52:00 EST   In a message dated 98-01-17 22:30:50 EST, CDKrug@aol.com writes:   << Nod your head, and hope to God the choir does something. >>   <snikering> been there before....good advice! :-) RandyT  
(back) Subject: Re: Trousdale Organ Co. From: Robert Ridgeway <ridgeway@ais.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:43:57 -0600   At 04:11 PM 1/17/98 PST, Sean Haley wrote: > Sean, is there a website, or do you have an address/phone, for >Trousdale? > >> --Shirley > > If I find one or the other I will let you know. I think the company is >somewhere back east. > > Sean > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >I don't know if Bob has a website....I cannot find his e-mail address but here is everything else....they are not exactly in the east but the west coast instead....   TROUSDALE ORGAN COMPANY Robert B. Trousdale 13722 Rushmore Lane Santa Ana, CA 92705   Phone: (714) 838-1842 FAX (714) 838-2612  
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Advice for Organists From: Myosotis51 <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:09:38 EST   In a message dated 1/17/98 7:59:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, pamnroy@wolfenet.com writes:   << Let's see if we can get a thread started on what is our favorite advice we have received about how to play the organ. >>   I think the best advice (so far) came from my mother-in-law, who was a local church organist for 53 years. My training is in piano, and she was teaching me how to use my feet: "Your hands can take care of themselves. Just remember heel-to-heel-toe, and you'll be fine."   She also told me NEVER to take an organist position in my own church, but that's another story!   Vicki Ceruti Myosotis51@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Theatre Pipe Organ FOR SALE (Cross Posted) From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:39:25 -0600   3/11 Pipe Organ currently playing in the North Avenue Rollerway, Melrose Pk.,Il. (Rink is scheduled to close the end of March) Organ plays from 3M WurliTzer console (former Trianon ballroom) with Z-tronics relay. WurliTzer chests and reservoirs, pipe work is WurliTzer, Robert Morton, Kimball and Barton, (mostly voiced on 15") including WurliTzer Tuba from 16' and Doppel Flute Tibia (former HUB rink) Interested parties can contact John Peters at (847) 470-0743 or e-mail me privately for more information.   Jon  
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Advice for Organists From: SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:10:46 EST   A past teacher of mine, Eleanor Pietch, who died an untimely death due to a sudden illness, said something that has always stuck with me.... she said: "we BREAK pencils, be BREATH with the music" and ever since then the hair stands up on my neck when someone says "break here." :-)   She also taught me to work on one page at a time in difficult pieces such as Bach P&F's.......more good advice.   I sang a country ballad to my favorite teacher, Janette Fishell, upon her departure from my local University. At her going away party after plenty to drink.... I sang in the most twangy accent I could:   "I had a year with Dr. Fishell, she came to school, so I came too. she played real good, and I took lessons, Dr. Fishell, we'll sure miss you.   She said: "well Randy, you'll have to do baroque pedallin', and Randy, you'll Have to push those pistons too. Because Randy, if you can't push those pistons....you'll only be half a musician.....and that just won't do!"   So I practiced baroque pedallin-- I pushed those pistons, and played 'over- legato' too. I'm not perfect, but I've learned a whole lot. Dr. Fishell, I'll sure miss you.   We had a year with Dr. Fishell, she came to school--- at the time it seemed the right thing to do. She's not perfect, but she's learned a whole lot. Dr. Fishell, we'll sure miss you!   ****************************************************************************** ******* I know....silly.....but we were really rolling in the floor after!!   RandyT    
(back) Subject: From: geriskip@juno.com (Geri T Schipper) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:14:22 -0500   Greetings,   Does anyone have any back ground information on a pipe organ made by a company named Angel. It was purchased by a church in Florida about forty years ago and is still in use today. ********************************************************* __Bye for now, geriskip__ *********************************************************  
(back) Subject: (no subject) From: Ronald Warren <rwarren@inreach.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:34:17 -0800   Is there a way to make windows95 record longer than 60 seconds?        
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Advice for Organists From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:32:25   Theatre Organ: A workshop by Don Baker, in which he suggested that a rising musical line should crescendo, and a falling musical line should diminuendo. Generally, that's true. Have found it in classical music as well as in theatre organ.   Church Organ: When I was about 12, I played my first organ piece in church. Soon after, I was given the nerve-wracking role of substitute organist, handling an entire service *myself*. What a nervous wreck I was, no safety net under me, since the regular organist was, indeed, nowhere near the church. In preparation for the big day, the organist suggested I go to the home of a lady near me, who had played in churches (and as it turned out, had been my Kindergaraten teacher). And she taught me how to play hymns, the S-A in the right hand, the Tenor in the left hand, and the Bass in the pedal. Now this next piece of advice, I never would have gotten on my own. She said to alternate feet in the pedal line. Generally, this works, unless there is a counter melody going on or an ascending or descending line that would be disjointed. Alternating feet made a lot of sense to me at the time, and made things a *lot* easier. Soon after that experience, I started taking organ lessons.   --Shirley      
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Rank Extensions? From: cornutt@hiwaay.net (David K. Cornutt) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:48:26 -0600   Hi, Shirley. I've got a lot of experience with sampling, and I think I can answer some of your questions. (You might not like the answers, though. :-)   > Is there a way to digitize these extensions by sampling the sounds already >there, and then have them activated when the stop is pulled, along with the >pipes? >   You can do it, but I doubt that it will provide a very satisfactory sound. Most accoustic instruments don't respond well to being pitch- shifted upwards; as a general rule, shifting upwards more than a minor third will often result in the dreaded "munchkinization". This is due to shifting overtones in the real instrument as you go up in pitch, which the sampler can't exactly duplicate.   You might have better luck if you can find another organ that has a similar stop (but with the rank extending all the way upwards), and sample it. But barring that, here's another trick you can try: if your organ has another flute rank that extends up higher, sample its pipes at about a major third above the pitch that you intend to play them at, and then shift those downwards. Downward shifting is often more pleasing than upward shifting, and can accentuate overtones that might produce more of the sound that you describe. If you do this, you might want the samples to gradually fade in part way into the top octave of the rank's pipes so that a blending effect is achieved, and the transition between the real pipes and the sampled sound won't be quite so abrupt.   I'm afraid I can't advise you on any other aspect because I'm not familiar with your console. If your Moeller doesn't have MIDI, it's going to be very difficult to do. If it does, it's doable, but there will be some considerations having to do with how to run the sampler, and whether or not you can make your console send a MIDI program change when the proper stop is drawn. There are some ways to generate this if the console won't do it, but they will (probably) involve adding some extra electronics to the console.     David K. Cornutt, Huntsville, AL      
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Advice for Organists From: GRS Co LVR <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:01:56 EST   My favorite piece of advice came when I was 14 years old,,,,and finally had been *approved* to start organ lessons...Approved by whom,,,you might say? Approved by Mr. Norman Landis a venerable older man of about 70 at the time that was Mr. Organ in our small basically agrarian community. He insisted on 7 years of piano study exclusively before he would even consider starting a person on organ....At my first lesson, he said to me *The organ is the easiest instrument to play,,,but the hardest to play right, and if you want to study with me, you will play it right. I found out very soon that he was right, it was easy to play,,but frightfully hard to play right in those early years......I never have forgotten that piece of advice...     Roc  
(back) Subject: Chenaults From: rnickel@itol.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:30:56 -0600 (CST)   Wow! What a concert. Today I had the opportunity to hear the Chenaults in concert at the Weidner Center in Green Bay, WI. What a great couple ... and great players, as well. After, they greeted concert goers in the lobby. Very personable and sweet. My recommendation for all ... SEE THEM!   Bob Nickel    
(back) Subject: Diane Bish From: rnickel@itol.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:45:29 -0600 (CST)   Here we are again ... bashing poor Diane. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: I hate it when we rip on those in our profession. Someone mentioned the "truly tacky" review of Diane's recital at the Houston AGO convention. I thought the commentary was tasteless as well. I remember the reviewer also making reference to Diane having her materials for sale as well. Hmm. I've seen that at a lot of recitals, and not just organists' recitals. He (the reviewer) also ripped on her compositions, recounting her comment, "I'm no composer." I've heard a lot of organ compositions by people who *claim* to be composers, and I've not enjoyed them.   And as far as attire, so what if she wears a big ring? So what if she has glitzy costumes? In my humble opinion, she plays one mean organ, and I enjoy her show. (Which, by the way, I do not get and have to have a friend videotape for me!) How many of us own our own production companies and have a weekly tv show? I know I don't. Because of Diane and her show, I've seen a lot of European organs on tv that I will never have the opportunity of seeing in real life ... and I've been to Europe. They don't just hand out free passes to the organ loft, you know!   I have met Diane personally, and she is a sweetheart. I purchased a copy of her biography written by that guy (his name escapes me) as a part of his doctoral project. I was so insulted by the number of typographical errors, I proofread the book, circled the errors, and mailed it back. Diane and her staff were equally upset with his work. Let's rip on that guy instead, okay?   Perhaps it's not appropriate for me to get so "riled up" on a mailing list.   Whatever ...   Bob N.    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:05:23 EST   BOB- you are right! Why are we bashing each other?! Only about 2% of the population is interested in classical music, let alone organ music. Those of us who have beeen church organists for years are worried about the next generation.   Along comes Miss Bish, who has worked tirelessly to publicize the organ in a GRAND way! We owe her a *lot* of respect. And she certainly has top-flight credentials as a performer.   Let's build up each other, not tear down. We share a love for the King of Instruments, and we should be proud to help and support each other. Our 'enemy', if we must call it that, is not one of our own, but those who have no interest in the organ!   Peace, Bill Miller, First Presbyterian, Trenton NJ  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish From: kwkeller@juno.com (KARL W KELLER) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:33:18 EST   Bob Nickel & Bill Miller just posted some very good comments on Diane Bish and I concur 100%. I have many,many VCR tapes of her programs and I never get tired of watching them over and over. I have met Diane on several occasions when she concertized in the Philadelphia area and I found he to be a very outgoing person as well as an OUTSTANDING organist.   Karl Musica est Dei donum optimi  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Wars (Was Diane Bish) From: PipeLuvr <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:51:06 EST   In a message dated 98-01-18 21:08:41 EST, Bill Miller wrote:   > Let's build up each other, not tear down. We share a love for the King of > Instruments, and we should be proud to help and support each other. Our > 'enemy', if we must call it that, is not one of our own, but those who have > no interest in the organ! >   Bill, well said indeed, although Rodney King's "Can't we all just get along?" is probably equally appropriate!   The organ "community" is simply not strong enough to continue the self- defeating bashing of various groups and interests within the broad group known as "organ lovers". Whether its theatre vs classical, pipes vs digital, metal windlines vs pvc, theatre group 1 vs theatre group 2, etc., the continued debate and personal attacks is harmful to the long term surviveability of these wonderful instruments.   IMHO its past time to recognize that every time a "lister" decides to attack or flame an instrument, installer, organist, or even a listener, harm is done to the ENTIRE organ community. Isn't it time to call a truce in the interest of common survival and recognize that it's possible to agree to disagree in a positive manner???   With fire bunker clothes on awaiting the flames. . .   Bob Acker          
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Wars (Was Diane Bish) From: SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:17:53 EST   As artists we are all individuals, and there are many avenues to approach the organ from. I absolutely love the theatre organ. I love baroque music played in the style that is currently "correct". I am amazed at the videos of Diane Bish playing those barn burner organ Toccatas on a big 5 manual organ-- all the while wearing a smile.   My point, and the other points of view are that there is room for all!   Yes, perhaps Diane Bish's style is not for us all, but that is no call to trash her!   This is my last comment on the subject-- thanks for listening.   RandyT :-)  
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Advice for Organists From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:24:51 -0500   I was once told by a teacher:   If you stay in church music long enough......   you'll see why Christians were thrown to the lions.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: TRIVO From: "Anderson W. Wacaser" <wacaser@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:59:27 -0800   Does anyone have a phone number or address for the Trivo Co?   Thanks, Andy  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Wars (Was Diane Bish) From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:12:00 -0500   thunk.........splot (first stone!!)   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Trousdale Organ Co. From: "W. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:32:09 -0500   Robert Ridgeway wrote: > > >... Bob (Trousdale) has a website....I cannot find his e-mail address but... > > TROUSDALE ORGAN COMPANY > Robert B. Trousdale > 13722 Rushmore Lane > Santa Ana, CA 92705 > > Phone: (714) 838-1842 FAX (714) 838-2612 >   Try: trox@earthlink.net for the e-mail address.   Grant Chapman      
(back) Subject: Library of Fake Music for Theatre Organ From: Ron Pearcy <ronniep@clear.net.nz> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:11:17 +0000 (GMT)     During the last several years, have been building up a personal/use library of Fake Music featuring Gershwin / Porter / Berlin / Kern / Novello / Coward etc including light music written during the 20's - 40's suitable for theatre organ. Much is available in the commercial area but frequently the nominated chord harmonies are simplistic or incorrect. If anyone else has been engaged in a similar activity and interested in some exchange, please make contact privately.   Ronnie   -- -- ----- Ron Pearcy <ronniep@clear.net.nz> 17 Donegal Crescent, Greenswood, Greenmeadows, Napier, New Zealand -------