PipeChat Digest #206 - Monday, January 19, 1998
 
A Question for Organ Builders.
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: Diane Bish
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: A Question for Organ Builders.
  by Jim Saenger <chamade@Early.COM>
Re: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com>
Re: Trousdale Organ Co.
  by Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Diane Bish
  by MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com>
Re: A Question for Organ Builders.
  by David Scribner <david@blackiris.com>
RE: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by Wildhirt, Richard <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com>
Re: Organ Wars-It is hopeless
  by MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com>
Re: Twitz Incorporated
  by MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com>
Re: Twitz Incorporated
  by Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: A Question for Organ Builders.
  by CareyOrgan <CareyOrgan@aol.com>
VOICER NEEDED FOR ORLANDO PROJECT
  by <steve.lamanna@tavsnet.com>
VOICER NEEDED FOR ORLANDO PROJECT
  by <steve.lamanna@tavsnet.com>
Re: Twitz Incorporated
  by MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com>
Re: A Question for Organ Builders.
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: A Question for Organ Builders.
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: A Question for Organ Builders.
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #205 - 01/19/98
  by Billsgrand <Billsgrand@aol.com>
non-organ but appropriate
  by Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net>
organs for sale website
  by IDOEDITING <IDOEDITING@aol.com>
Re: organs for sale website
  by Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
ADMIN POSTING - IMPORTANT - ALL READ
  by Dr. Peter G. Pocock <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com>
Re: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
 


(back) Subject: A Question for Organ Builders. From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:23:57 -0500   Is there some sort of formula for figuring out windpressure on an insturment ina peticular room?????   I would like to readjust the windpressure on my II/13 C.E.Morey organ at Bethany United Methodist Church. When they installed it in the old church, it was PERFECT!!! But, unfortunantly, when they installed it in the NEW church, that was three times as small, it is too LOUD!!! People now complain about the organ being too loud during hymns. I've tried AWFUL hard to come up with some other hymn registratons, but no one likes them! I DON'T touch the principals (8' Open Diapason & 4' Octave (separate ranks)) ANYTIME!!!!! NOT EVEN DURING FRENCH ADN GERMAN MUSIC THAT REQUIRES PRINCIPALS of FOUNDATIONS.   Although, it's QUITE effective if the kids are playing hide and seek and one(or two) of them are hiding in the pipe room. I turn on the organ and hit the SFZ. adn BLAST THEM OUT OF THERE. It's fun!!!! :-)))   Yes! I'm pushing for a lock on the door!!!! (of course it will be fun trying to find something for a bi-fold door that has been conferted to a sliding door that has NO jamb to attach it to.   THanks in advance...   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:11:17 -0500   >Here we are again ... bashing poor Diane. I've said this before, and >I'll >say it again: I hate it when we rip on those in our profession. >Someone >mentioned the "truly tacky" review of Diane's recital at the Houston >AGO >convention. I thought the commentary was tasteless as well. I >remember the >reviewer also making reference to Diane having her materials for sale >as >well. Hmm. I've seen that at a lot of recitals, and not just >organists' >recitals. He (the reviewer) also ripped on her compositions, >recounting her >comment, "I'm no composer." I've heard a lot of organ compositions by >people who *claim* to be composers, and I've not enjoyed them. > >And as far as attire, so what if she wears a big ring? So what if she >has >glitzy costumes? In my humble opinion, she plays one mean organ, and >I >enjoy her show. (Which, by the way, I do not get and have to have a >friend >videotape for me!) How many of us own our own production companies >and have >a weekly tv show? I know I don't. Because of Diane and her show, >I've seen >a lot of European organs on tv that I will never have the opportunity >of >seeing in real life ... and I've been to Europe. They don't just hand >out >free passes to the organ loft, you know! > >I have met Diane personally, and she is a sweetheart. I purchased a >copy of >her biography written by that guy (his name escapes me) as a part of >his >doctoral project. I was so insulted by the number of typographical >errors, >I proofread the book, circled the errors, and mailed it back. Diane >and her >staff were equally upset with his work. Let's rip on that guy >instead, okay? > >Perhaps it's not appropriate for me to get so "riled up" on a mailing >list. ~~~~~ I can tell you know, You'll start getting people with flamethrowers coming into your mailbox. But, I hate to say, I agree! I've also seen 'DINO', that's the name of his show, who does sacred music on his RHINESTONE PIANO with his 3" long, 1 1/2" width ring all made out of diamonds, playing BEAUTIFUL music all over the world, has his own TV show, interviews people like Anita, and many others. I think (now this is my opinion) that just because people like us, who can't produce there own TV shows, own glitzy costumes, and play MANY of the largest organs in the world, have a church that offers you the chance to design your own RUFFATI organ and will pay for the instalation in there building, and owns glitzy rings, shouldn't get all jealous about other people like them. After all, you should be happy for them. You probably dont' have all the publicity that these people have, but you can play just as good as them. I was HAPPY to see her show 'The Joy of Music' when I first heard about it about two years ago. It gives me some GOAL to aim for in life. I'm only just starting my life, but I have a long ways to go! Who knows, you could end up like those people!!!!! But how would YOU like having people all over the USofA and Europe and Australia, and where ever you come from, make fun of YOUR style of clothing an YOUR own specially designed RUFFATI organ in a HUGE building, and YOUR own Rhinestone piano and all the other thing that those people have. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.   I'm NOT trying to start a flame war over the list again. I'm only CALMLY stating a VERY true opinion in hopes to stop this war!   Now, if you have any flames to throw, please do so PRIVATLY!!!!!!!!!!   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O  
(back) Subject: Re: A Question for Organ Builders. From: "Jim Saenger" <chamade@Early.COM> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 06:21:25 PST   No, there is no formula for what you are trying to do. Windpressure reduction may or may not be one of the numerous techniques which would be used to "soften" an organ. Occasionally, some quick fixes can be managed, but each situation is different.   ---------- > > Is there some sort of formula for figuring out windpressure on an > insturment ina peticular room????? > > I would like to readjust the windpressure on my II/13 C.E.Morey organ at > Bethany United Methodist Church. When they installed it in the old > church, it was PERFECT!!! But, unfortunantly, when they installed it in > the NEW church, that was three times as small, it is too LOUD!!! People > now complain about the organ being too loud during hymns. I've tried > AWFUL hard to come up with some other hymn registratons, but no one likes > them! I DON'T touch the principals (8' Open Diapason & 4' Octave > (separate ranks)) ANYTIME!!!!! NOT EVEN DURING FRENCH ADN GERMAN MUSIC > THAT REQUIRES PRINCIPALS of FOUNDATIONS. > > Although, it's QUITE effective if the kids are playing hide and seek and > one(or two) of them are hiding in the pipe room. I turn on the organ and > hit the SFZ. adn BLAST THEM OUT OF THERE. It's fun!!!! :-))) > > Yes! I'm pushing for a lock on the door!!!! (of course it will be fun > trying to find something for a bi-fold door that has been conferted to a > sliding door that has NO jamb to attach it to. > > THanks in advance... > > Jason Comet > bombarde8@juno.com > |\ > | \ > O > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Advice for Organists From: SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:24:34 EST   In a message dated 98-01-19 00:38:42 EST, cremona84000@webtv.net writes:   << I was once told by a teacher: If you stay in church music long enough...... you'll see why Christians were thrown to the lions. >>   Bruce--- Wow, How ABSOLUTELY true. I often wonder why we keep on trying! ---RandyT  
(back) Subject: Re: Trousdale Organ Co. From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:10:34 -0500   Dear PipeChaters, Here is a copy of a response I received from Bob Trousdale. The second web page is rich with information and links. It is worth an extended visit. I've heard the Plummer organ on CD. It is a wonderful achievement.   I could not get the first link to work. The second is adequate!   Stan Lowkis   Copy of email from Bob Trousdale follows:   Stan:   Thank you for the message. I am not subscribed to Pipechat so was unaware of this interest. I do not have a web page worked up as yet, but there are others that may prove of interest:   http://pentium.wcbi.com:80/organs/fulrtn.html http://dolphinpointe.com/plummer/history.html   My company is located at: Trousdale Organ Company 13722 Rushmore Lane Santa Ana, Ca 92705   My primary products are capture combination actions and computer record/playback systems. I occasionally do multiplex relays.   In answer to the pipe extension queries on the Plummer organ; the chambers are very small so to make room for desired expansion ranks, we elected to remove the 8 and 16 foot Tibia and concert flute pipes (2 tibias, one concert flute) and replace them with sampled voices. We also elected to provide a sampled marimba/harp (the original instrument never had one), together with a lot of other MIDI voices for enhancement. Many of these voices come from a Roland Sound Canvas, including the piano you will be hearing on Chris Elliott's new CD "Shore to Shore" coming out next month. We are presently working on interfacing to a real grand piano later this year. We have also introduced a complete sampled rank from the sound canvas which acts as our new "harmonic flute". It is set up with delayed-action trem and blends in nicely with the real pipe ranks.   The MIDI enhancements are mechanized with two Trousdale Organ Company MIDI interface boards. The firmware for each is customized for each application and burned into an EPROM.   Bob Trousdale  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish From: MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:28:20 EST   In a message dated 98-01-18 20:50:35 EST, you write:   << Perhaps it's not appropriate for me to get so "riled up" on a mailing list. Whatever ... Bob N. >> I agree, but what can you expect from tergiversating snobs?  
(back) Subject: Re: A Question for Organ Builders. From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:25:00 -0600   At 11:23 PM -0500 1/18/98, Jason D. Comet wrote: >Is there some sort of formula for figuring out windpressure on an >insturment ina peticular room????? > >I would like to readjust the windpressure on my II/13 C.E.Morey organ at >Bethany United Methodist Church. When they installed it in the old >church, it was PERFECT!!! But, unfortunantly, when they installed it in [SNIP]   Jason   DO NOT and I repeat DO NOT attempt to adjust the windpressure on this organ. Changing the wind pressure may or may not change the loudness of the pipe work but it WILL disturb the voicing of the pipes. This is not a job for a rank amateur but rather a job for a professional. All your are going to do is make everything worse.   I have been reading all these various postings of yours and they all disturb me greatly. I started out very young myself but one of the FIRST things that was taught to me is that you DO NOT TOUCH anything inside of the organ. Yes, if a pipe cyphers then go in and pull it to stop the cypher but don't ever go beyond that. Unfortunately there seems to be a bad example given on these lists by someone who is much older and should know better but all of the postings that person did about cutting down and moving pipework around gives a VERY BAD example especially to the younger members of the lists. And I notice that those postings have stopped and the person is now at a different church, wonder why?   Changing the windpressure is a job for a PROFESSIONAL who also has experience with voicing/revoicing pipework. Pipework is voiced for a specific windpressure and changing that pressure will throw all of the pipes off speech. This is not something that someone without experience can deal with.   I have worked for an organ builder and have built a couple of organs for myself. On those I don't have any problems playing around with the voicing of the pipes but I would never think of doing that at a Church where I am the organist. Unfortunately, there have been too many churches around where the organ was RUINED by misguided attempts of the incumbent to "re-do" the organ. The usual scenario seems to be that the organist leaves or is fired and the church finds out that the costs of correctly fixing the problems left behind by that person are so huge that they junk the pipe organ in disgust and get an electronic instead. Sometimes we are our own worst enemies!   At your age you should spend all of your time practicing and learning how to play correctly. If you still want to get into organ repair/building, I would suggest the you go apprentice with an established organ builder when you are a little older. That way you can learn how to do things like what you want to attempt CORRECTLY.   While I'm on my soapbox I want to comment on another one of the threads that has been running on these lists and that is the one about Duct Tape repairs. No, it is not the CORRECT way of making the repair but did you ever think that there might be other factors involved here? When I was in college I can remember all of us who were organ students talking about the various, what we called "hacks", that were around doing repair work. I can remember seeing all sorts of temporary repairs like cotton stuffed along the edges of bottom boards to stop leaks and other such "unusual" repairs. As I got older I realized that there might have been reasons for these "half-a**ed" repairs. I now realize that many of these so called hacks were actually doing something to keep the organ going at that church. In many cases they knew that they were not doing the repair the correct way but given the economic realities of the particular church, that was all they could do and they did keep many an organ going that otherwise would have been silent due to various problems. You should be lucky that you have a pipe organ to play because of these half-way repairs.   ********************************** David Scribner Black Iris Consulting 4775 Balmoral Drive Pensacola, FL 32504-9174 850-478-9635 - Voice 850-476-0711 - Fax david@blackiris.com      
(back) Subject: RE: Favorite Advice for Organists From: "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:28:10 -0800   My organ instructor in college simply told me, "Don't imitate Virgil Fox."  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Wars-It is hopeless From: MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:40:42 EST   In a message dated 98-01-18 22:04:16 EST, you write:   << The organ "community" is simply not strong enough to continue the self- defeating bashing of various groups and interests within the broad group known as "organ lovers". Whether its theatre vs classical, pipes vs digital, metal windlines vs pvc, theatre group 1 vs theatre group 2, etc., the continued debate and personal attacks is harmful to the long term surviveability of these wonderful instruments. >>   Oh, I agree. But you have to realize that are people who "get off" on the kind of mischief and squabbling you talk about. What can ameliorate *that*, I do not know.  
(back) Subject: Re: Twitz Incorporated From: MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:46:55 EST   In a message dated 98-01-16 13:05:53 EST, you write:   << I often see references to a "Piporg-L". Perhaps you would be kind enough to pass along the email address of this organisation. Thanks >>   You do not want to know. They should simply be called TWITS INCORPORATED. Just so you know, they have kicked me off their list twice.  
(back) Subject: Re: Twitz Incorporated From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:02:26 -0500   MFulk70776 wrote: >   > You do not want to know. > They should simply be called TWITS INCORPORATED. > Just so you know, they have kicked me off their list twice.       Fulk, you too?  
(back) Subject: Re: A Question for Organ Builders. From: CareyOrgan <CareyOrgan@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:57:54 EST   Where exactly is your church? I have ben making a casual study of Morey's output as a result of my interest in his predecessor J.. Marklove. Adjusting volume is by no means as simple as lowering the wind pressure. Pipes will go off speech if w.p. is altered by more than 1/4 - 1/2". You will need to have regulation work done on the pipes themselves. Didn't the person or persons who relocated the organ raise this subject at the time?   Keith Williams Carey Organ Co., Inc. Troy NY 800-836-1441   Proud underwriter of "Pipedreams" on WMHT-FM, 89.1 Schenectady and 90.1 Poughkeepsie, Sundays from 7:30-9:00 PM.  
(back) Subject: VOICER NEEDED FOR ORLANDO PROJECT From: steve.lamanna@tavsnet.com Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 11:26:25 -0500     Hi list...   I attended the meeting of the central Florida Chapter of ATOS on Sunday to see what was up with the installation of the 3/22 at Lake Brantley High School...   It is about 80% up and running.....and the chapter is now looking for bids to voice the instrument on or around June......   We need some help and suggestions as to some likely canditates folks........any suggestions and/or contact info would be appreciated to me, as they have asked me to start assembling a couple of bids for this...   Please respond by email, or, if you want to voice mail me at my office, my direct line is 407.541.2452.   Steve LaManna      
(back) Subject: VOICER NEEDED FOR ORLANDO PROJECT From: steve.lamanna@tavsnet.com Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 11:25:30 -0500     Hi list...   I attended the meeting of the central Florida Chapter of ATOS on Sunday to see what was up with the installation of the 3/22 at Lake Brantley High School...   It is about 80% up and running.....and the chapter is now looking for bids to voice the instrument on or around June......   We need some help and suggestions as to some likely canditates folks........any suggestions and/or contact info would be appreciated to me, as they have asked me to start assembling a couple of bids for this...   Steve LaManna      
(back) Subject: Re: Twitz Incorporated From: MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:27:45 EST   In a message dated 98-01-19 11:06:38 EST, you write:   << Fulk, you too? >> Yes indeedy, once when mildly, (IMHO), I ridiculed one of their "cat fights" They were having a "bi*ch fest" over what was appropriate for Princess Diana's funeral and I made two posts, which said, in so many words, as I recall, : "Oh, isn't that just too, too bad?." That the posts were barbed, I would not attempt to deny; admittedly, I had just simply had enuf of their stupendously petty bickering...........I should say also that, at that time, my nephew was dying of lung cancer,(39 years old), and indeed took his last breath during the Princess's funeral. As I said, they had officially kicked me off once before, but this time they did not even notify me; they just stopped mailing. BTW, I had quite a tussle with that GRAND POO-BAH of pomposity, Tuba something or other. (Just to keep it honest, I was, at least partly, in the wrong and I apologized to him in writing.)  
(back) Subject: Re: A Question for Organ Builders. From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:53:30 -0500     >Where exactly is your church? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Watertown, NY ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Adjusting >volume is by no means as simple as lowering the wind pressure. Pipes >will go >off speech if w.p. is altered by more than 1/4 - 1/2". You will need >to have >regulation work done on the pipes themselves. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I know ALL about the horrible things that will happen. I WOULD NOT attemp to adjust the wind pressure. Ou rtech likes things started for him at certain times. So, if he would like this started, I MAY be able to do so. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Didn't the person or >persons >who relocated the organ raise this subject at the time? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well, to understand that, You've got to concider the budget that was alloted to the organ and reinstallers. $2,000 to split between 5 workers and lumber, new leather, swell shades motor, 1 new resivior (the other one was fine), and a revoicing Aeoline8' into a Dulcet 2' (which, I may add, isn't all that pretty ;-P)   HOW, or WHAT whould you do with that kind of money? He had NO choice. The church TOLD him he HAD to do it. (Which I know is wrong)   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O  
(back) Subject: Re: A Question for Organ Builders. From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:06:03 -0500   David Scribner adn other list members:   You should know I'm NOT that stupid :-) I WOULD NOT attempt to adjust the wind pressure. Ou rtech likes things started for him at certain times. So, if he would like this started, I MAY be able to do so. I don't know the first thing about raising or lowerin wind pressure. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO VOICE PIPES. period. All I'm trying to do, is see if I would like the building field. I LOVE the playing field. ********************************************************************************************************************I really wanted to know if there was a formula for a NEW organ. I like to come up with stop-lists and see if other organist and organ builders like them or what they would change about them. I like doing that. As a matter of fact, that was the only thing I did last week when we had our Ice Storm of '98 up here in the northeast. (NY - Maine). We had no power and no hand-pumped mechanical organ for me to play on. I don't have a piano, and I do have a keyboard. Our sister church, the one I'm designing this organ for, has VERY BAD C.E.MOREY ORGAN. Th ewind pressure is SSSSOOOO low and the Swell keyboard is SSSSOOOO hard to play, THe organist there doesn't like it. The only thing that she likess about it are the principals. The 8' Open Diapason is bright and glimery, the 4' Octave is the same, and the 2' Fifteenth is like a picolo playing a wine glass ( I don't know what I just said).   Later for now............   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O  
(back) Subject: Re: A Question for Organ Builders. From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:13:42 -0600 (CST)   At 11:23 PM 1/18/98 -0500, Jason D. Comet wrote:   >I would like to readjust the windpressure on my II/13 C.E.Morey organ at >Bethany United Methodist Church.   Readjusting the pressure of an organ is generally not going to get you very far. Every organ has its "correct" pressure and all other pressures are "incorrect". The only correct pressure is the pressure the pipes were voiced on. It won't sound right on a lower pressure than it is meant to be on. An organ can be softened (within clearly defined limits) by adjustments to the voicing of the pipes, but this is a fairly complex procedure requiring an experienced voicer. If the organ is too loud probably the easiest thing to do is to block off some of the sound from getting out of the instrument by putting some heavier grille-cloth behind the facade pipes or grille. John.    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #205 - 01/19/98 From: Billsgrand <Billsgrand@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:00:00 EST   Hello to all I've been a lurker for some time but now would like to chime in (pun intended). I'm a piano trained Church organist and have recently decided to take organ playing more seriously. I have access to a small real pipe organ but desire a practice instrument in my home as well. Digital is the only possibility and after researching, only an entry level model will be affordable. I've checked out Rodgers, Allen and Gallanti already and am also interested in the Johannus whitch I have not had the opportunity to play but have only heard on their demo CD (Quite impressive I might add). As the nearest Johannus dealer is about 100 miles from here, I thought I would solicit you all for opinions. I was quoted prices of around $8000 for their Opus 10 and $12500 for the Sweelink 10. Any of you who may have opinions or advice, please share. BTW the Demo CD is free, all music, and very enjoyable.It's available from their Website www.johannus.com Thanks in advance Bill Costanzo  
(back) Subject: non-organ but appropriate From: Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:48:49 -0500 (EST)     "Life is as fleeting as a rainbow, a flash of lightning, a star at dawn. Knowing this, how can you quarrel?"   Sorry. Now back to your regularly scheduled Organ stuff.   -Adam     Rutherford, NJ USA Free speech online! _/ http://zen.advance.net/~alevin/________/ -"You're Hells Angels, then? <*> __________________________/ What chapter are you from?" -O / - REVELATIONS, CHAPTER SIX.    
(back) Subject: organs for sale website From: IDOEDITING <IDOEDITING@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:45:57 EST   There was a website that had organs for sale on two interminably long pages, the pages were called something like sell1.htm and sell02.htm or something. I can't remember what site they were on, but I am casually searching for a used 3-manual Rodgers 360 or Allen 312/317 or similar good quality theatre organ for my home--at an excellent price that's WAY off retail, of course.   Can anyone send me some URLs? I am in the Chicago area.   Thanks! John Carrington IDOEDITING@aol.com Chesterton, Indiana Pianist, Organist, Female Impersonator   "Ask me how much de-construction work it took to get a 32-3/4" deep (at its narrowest point) organ through a 32" wide door!"    
(back) Subject: Re: organs for sale website From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:22:53 -0500   This section is part of the Theatre Organ Home Page:   http://theatreorgans.com/ads/  
(back) Subject: ADMIN POSTING - IMPORTANT - ALL READ From: "Dr. Peter G. Pocock" <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:45:15 -0800   Hi everyone,   I have noticed in the last few days, particularly yesterday, that the contents of some posts are heading towards "flaming" or "flame bait."   Remember, if you cannot be kind in what you are saying, don't say it (that includes comments about Diane Bish).   Please remember that PipeChat is NOT, I repeat *NOT* about "flaming" in any shape or form, it will NOT be tolerated. If you choose to go along that direction you will be warned once. If there is a repeat occurence you will be removed from the list.   We provide PipeChat and PipeChat-IRC to the worldwide organ community free of charge. Please remember that you are guests here, and act as guests would act. If you are not sure of any of our guidelines and rules, please refer to our web site at: http://www.pipechat.org.   Happy chatting,   Pete!   Dr. Peter Pocock Co-Owner and Administrator of PipeChat.    
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Advice for Organists From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:46:40 -0500   >I often wonder why we keep in trying. >RandyT   I guess we're just waiting for the lions to make a comeback <g>.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o