PipeChat Digest #207 - Tuesday, January 20, 1998
 
Re: Diane Bish
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: A Question for Organ Builders.
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Episcopalian Question
  by Kevin M. Simons <Kevin.M.Simons-1@ou.edu>
Personal Re: tergiversation
  by IDOEDITING <IDOEDITING@aol.com>
Re: Organ Wars-It is hopeless
  by Jillian (Bach) Schultheis <organgeek@geocities.com>
Re: Organ inquiry--Pasadena CA
  by W. G. Chapman <wchapmn@ibm.net>
Re: A Question for Organ Builders.
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #205 - 01/19/98
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Diane Bish and a New Word!!
  by ManderUSA <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #205 - 01/19/98
  by GRS Co LVR <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Ray Bohr's Recording on the RCMH Studio Organ
  by <DM726@delphi.com>
Re: Trousdale Organ Co.
  by Sean Haley <newgershwin@hotmail.com>
Re: Organ inquiry--Pasadena CA
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Chenaults
  by Sean Haley <newgershwin@hotmail.com>
Re: Diane Bish
  by Sean Haley <newgershwin@hotmail.com>
Re: A Question for Organ Builders.
  by Sean Haley <newgershwin@hotmail.com>
RE: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by Gordon Lucas & Larry McGuire <stops@globalnet.co.uk>
Re: organs for sale website
  by Sean Haley <newgershwin@hotmail.com>
RE: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by <cathedral@linknet.net>
Re: Concert Announcement
  by MW ORGLBAU <MWORGLBAU@aol.com>
Re: A Question for Organ Builders.
  by FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
RE: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: A Question for Organ Builders.
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by Clifford N. Bohnson <cbohnson@mosquito.com>
Re: Favorite Advice for Organists
  by Otto Pebworth <opebwrth@gte.net>
Advice isn't Advice Anymore!
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Thanks all.
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: Advice isn't Advice Anymore!
  by <chris_wichers@americantours.com>
Re: A Question for Organ Builders.
  by SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com>
Re: Episcopalian Question
  by SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com>
Re: DO vs. PO -A Question
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Organs for a lifetime
  by W. G. Chapman <wchapmn@ibm.net>
Re: non-organ but appropriate,Reply
  by MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:52:14 -0500   Oh. Uh, what's "tergiversating"??? Hope it ain't embarrassing! or require a special wardrobe!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: A Question for Organ Builders. From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:08:41 -0500   I must respond since I have been besmirched! I have moved to a new position because it is a better position offering the opportunities for directing four choirs of differing styles, a much more musically sensitive staff where the organ is concerned (pastor at the previous church does not like pipe organs or organists). Every change that was done was done with the approval and consent of the Music Committee, and in consultation with knowledgeable organ builders and the Wicks Organ Company who built the organ, who were extremely helpful. I would not dream of altering an historically significant instrument. Even the people at Wicks realize that the organ in question was not an example of their best work and needed changes; it was just a product of its time and situation. Every post I have made about organists doing work on their own instruments has included the admonition to ALWAYS seek advice and assistance from capable organ BUILDERS. Sorry, but many service people are NOT TO BE TRUSTED. All should be watched with extreme care as to what they are doing. Anyone who says "stay away from your church's instrument and my work" sends up a big red flag in my experience. As an additional note, the instrument in my new church has extensive voicing problems which are the result of a lack of finishing initially, and which have gotten much more serious because the service person did not inform the church of these problem, and rather simply tuned the organ and took the money. We are currently negotiating to correct these problems with several BUILDERS. These problems are beyond my scope of knowledge and I will not consider damaging any pipe organ. I know my limitations and encourage all people interesting in maintaining pipe organs to know not only theirs, but those of their service people. By the way, I believe unkind references, even thinly veiled ones, are against list regulations, and should be done privately.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Episcopalian Question From: "Kevin M. Simons" <Kevin.M.Simons-1@ou.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:30:55 -0600   I beg your indulgence for this question, I know its not organ related, but I hope I can still get some help.   I was Baritone soloist at a local Methodist church, and have recently (last week) taken the soloist job at our local Episcopal church. They do Rite I and II for communion (one service does I the other II), but don't seem to be a church that is as high as it gets, although it is much higher than the Methodist church I was in.   Does anyone have any suggestions or things I should know about the service? I'm also looking for repetoire, I don't think some of the spirituals that I used to do would be terribly appropriate for the service.   I really appreciate any help or suggestions anyone could offer, Thanks!   Kevin M. Simons  
(back) Subject: Personal Re: tergiversation From: IDOEDITING <IDOEDITING@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:54:24 EST   Tergiversation?   Oh, I thought that cleared up!  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Wars-It is hopeless From: "Jillian (Bach) Schultheis" <organgeek@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:13:47 -0500   I agree, STOP THE VIOLENCE! ~Jillian Schultheis :)     _-------_--------_-------_---------_--------_---------_---------_------ Visit Trompette! at http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/4343 *****THEATER LIVES!*****  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ inquiry--Pasadena CA From: "W. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:59:22 -0500   bruce cornely wrote: > > ... Pasadena Presbyterian Church, P CA, ... building and organ look quite impressive. I was curious to know more about the organ.   What? The Aeolian-Skinner transplant with facade by Casavant?      
(back) Subject: Re: A Question for Organ Builders. From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:11:41 -0500   Oh, and by the way, in my previous post I neglected to mention that when I went to my previous post they were having difficulties with the rectifier not supplying enough power to run the organ consistently resulting in console "blackouts" with the wind on, but no power in the console. Turns out (heh heh) that the problem was the result of a replacement rectifier being installed by one of the most expensive and reputable service people in the Jacksonville area. Said rectifier was too small, and when it did not work properly he sold them yet another of the same size, telling them that two rectifiers would solve the problem Well, it didn't. So, ole Bruce comes along and without consulting an authorized service person, and with the church's permission calls Wicks (1-800-444-WICK) and asks for a replacement rectifier, which they supplied posthaste, and which was installed by a local electrician. Wah - lah! The organ worked fine after that. So there. PPPTTTTTTHHHH!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #205 - 01/19/98 From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:52:43 -0500   Bill Costanzo, welcome to the wonderful world of organ study. My advice for selecting your home practice instrument is to make your decision solely on first hand experience. (The hundred mile drive will be well worth the trouble in the end.) Take some music and spend several hours on the instrument you think you want. It is very important that you will be able to listen to this thing for long periods of time (thing being a "term of endearment!"). My emphasis would be on the quality of flutes and principals, next reeds, since those are the stops that you should be using for practice. Best of luck.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Diane Bish and a New Word!! From: ManderUSA <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:16:14 EST   In a message dated 98-01-19 10:38:06 EST, you write:   << but what can you expect from tergiversating snobs? >>   Thank you, Mr. Fulk, for a new word, and thank you, Mr. Gates, for the Microsoft Bookshelf '98 Dictionary! I've done it a lot - just never knew what to call it!!   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #205 - 01/19/98 From: GRS Co LVR <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:41:00 EST   Hi Bill: Have you considered a used organ at all? or is that totally out of the picture? I can remember hearing years ago from my first organ teacher that the average person purchases 3 organs in their lifetime,,,if serious about it....A small one to start,,then a larger one,,then the *ultimate*. So,,,,at the tender age of 16 I thought to myself,,,Hmmmmm self,,,get the larger one first,,,and purchased a 2A2 Connsonata as it had a standard AGO pedalboard,,,,,,needless to say in a few years I got rid of that *extra room radiator* with its 200 plus tubes,,,,and proceeded onward,, am currently happy with a 3 manual Allen TO,,purchased from an estate,,,and even tho NOT digital (one of the last analog models made) am very satisfied.....Good luck in your search....     Roc  
(back) Subject: Ray Bohr's Recording on the RCMH Studio Organ From: DM726@delphi.com Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:48:56 -0500 (EST)   I have a copy of this 1/4" tape produced by Pickwick International, catalog number P4T-402 My tape is still very playable and not bad, very dry sound. Would be happy to copy to cassette for interested persons. E-mail me privately Dave McPeak DM726@delphi.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Trousdale Organ Co. From: "Sean Haley" <newgershwin@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:14:12 PST   >>I don't know if Bob has a website....I cannot find his e-mail address but >here is everything else....they are not exactly in the east but the west >coast instead.... > >TROUSDALE ORGAN COMPANY >Robert B. Trousdale >13722 Rushmore Lane >Santa Ana, CA 92705 > >Phone: (714) 838-1842 FAX (714) 838-2612 >   Thanks for finding and address/phone. I had a difficult time finding one myself. Also another company to ask about complete digital ranks and rank extensions is the Rodgers Organ co. They have done alot of work with real pipe and digital sample combination instruments.   Sean Haley   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ inquiry--Pasadena CA From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:14:45 -0500   That would be the one. Is it interesting or ....   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Chenaults From: "Sean Haley" <newgershwin@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:22:22 PST     If you don't have an opportunity to see the Chenaults in a live performance they have a great CD out called "20th Century Organ Music for Two"   Sean Haley   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish From: "Sean Haley" <newgershwin@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:25:46 PST       >From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> >Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:05:23 EST >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: Diane Bish >Reply-To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >BOB- you are right! Why are we bashing each other?! Only about 2% of the >population is interested in classical music, let alone organ music. Those of >us who have beeen church organists for years are worried about the next >generation. >   > >Let's build up each other, not tear down. We share a love for the King of >Instruments, and we should be proud to help and support each other. Our >'enemy', if we must call it that, is not one of our own, but those who have no >interest in the organ! > >Peace, Bill Miller, First Presbyterian, Trenton NJ   Well Said! Sean   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: A Question for Organ Builders. From: "Sean Haley" <newgershwin@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:48:14 PST   Wind pressure, regulation and voicing may not be the only thing needed. I admit I am not an expert either but the scale (size) of the flue ranks that are loud may just be too big for the new installation. If the organ runs around 3" of wind there is really not a lot that can be done other than voicing and rescaling the pipes.   Sean Haley               ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Favorite Advice for Organists From: Gordon Lucas & Larry McGuire <stops@globalnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:50:20 GMT   At 07:28 AM 1/19/98 -0800, Wildhirt, Richard wrote: >My organ instructor in college simply told me, "Don't imitate Virgil >Fox." > Your organ instructor must have been either an incredibly talented virtuoso performer, or an idiot!! What is / was wrong with V.F.?? He brought performances of pure classical music to a level where they could be enjoyed by masses of - dare I type the word in these hallowed 'virtual' portals - Teenagers.   I wish . . . . .     Perhaps the most important piece of advice for any aspiring musician is ...   NEVER LOSE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOUR!!!!   Too many of our classical orientated brethren and sistern (??cistern??) appear to have narrow minded outlooks, of which not even a musical purist would approve, and who are totally devoid of any light heartedness.   Life is meant to be fun, Music is meant to be fun, performing music (indeed performing anything) should be fun for both the performer and the listener.   After all, the majority of our classical compositions were written both for a fee, and to entertain somebody, and the greatest of the religious compositions were written because the composer was usually being paid to produce a work to a schedule.   So come one everyone, lighten up, have some fun. We all enjoy our chosen instrument in one vein or another, be it pipe, digital, electronic, and playing secular, classical, theatre, religious, jazz, or whatever.   So long as it's in tune!!   Larry Larry    
(back) Subject: Re: organs for sale website From: "Sean Haley" <newgershwin@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:54:03 PST         >There was a website that had organs for sale on two interminably long pages, >the pages were called something like sell1.htm and sell02.htm or something. I >can't remember what site they were on, but I am casually searching for a used >3-manual Rodgers 360 or Allen 312/317 or similar good quality theatre organ >for my home--at an excellent price that's WAY off retail, of course. > >Can anyone send me some URLs? I am in the Chicago area. > >Thanks! >John Carrington >IDOEDITING@aol.com >Chesterton, Indiana >Pianist, Organist, Female Impersonator   The URL is http://theatreorgans.com in their organ classifieds section.   Sean Haley   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Favorite Advice for Organists From: cathedral@linknet.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:27:56 -0600 (CST)   Joseph Overpeck was a wonderfully taleted organist in New Orleans, sometime organist/choirmaster of Trinity Episcopal Church there.   He died at a young age of AIDS.   While he was in his latter days, dying in the hospital, in and out of a coma, one of his less-than-talented, but greatly devoted organ pupils came to see him.   He barely was able to see or talk. But at a certain point during her visit, he seemed to gain full consciousness and spoke three words to her, very cleary, very loudly:   COUNT, Jackie, COUNT   And then he lapsed back to his prior state.   Travers Koerner      
(back) Subject: Re: Concert Announcement From: MW ORGLBAU <MWORGLBAU@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:27:31 EST   Dear List Members,   The Organ Institute of America and the Hollywood United Methodist Church are co-sponsering a concert featuring solo organist, Christopher Toth, who will be playing works by Frank Bridge, Franck, Jongen and Elgar. Also in the programme will be organist David Elson and cellist Andrew Rammon in a work by Karl Holler, as well as organist David Elson and bassoonist Gerald Lanoue in works by Reger and Vierne. The concert will take place this Sunday afternoon, January 25th, at 4:00 P.M. at the Hollywood United Methodist Church, 6817 Franklin Ave. (corner of Highland) in Hollywood California. Suggested donation is $8.00.     Michael R. Williamson Williamson-Warne & Associates Hollywood Ca.  
(back) Subject: Re: A Question for Organ Builders. From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:29:46 EST   BRUCE- why are you messing with rectifiers??!! Tracker organs don't need 'em--mechanical stop-action ones, anywho.   Puzzled, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: RE: Favorite Advice for Organists From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:44:50 -0500   Good point, LarryLarry, Maybe if more of us ignored the advice to "not imitate Virgil Fox", more of us would be rich!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: A Question for Organ Builders. From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:57:04 -0500   That is another reason I like trackers: no rectifiers. They are so simple. But most places are more concerned with musical necessities like, moveable console, antiphonal divisions hanging on walls in remote places, MIDI, oodles of pistons (2 levels per rank! at least), and indicator lights that tell the organist what he should have learned in school but doesn't know!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Advice for Organists From: "Clifford N. Bohnson" <cbohnson@mosquito.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:06:55 -0500   In re: Virgil Fox "bashing" - my teachers, and most of the "recognized" organists in the Anglican circles I travelled in, always put Virgil Fox down. However, having spent many of my formative years turning pages for these same organists at their sparsely-attended (and often _free_) recitals, I was always impressed that Virgil could pack large concert halls and churches at reasonably stiff ticket prices -- and mostly with young people! Sure he was a showman -- and a show-off. But man, could he play -- both the organ, and an audience! -- CLIFFORD N. BOHNSON, President The Unicorn's Garden (representing Makin Organs of England [digital electronic] and ITC Pipe Organs of Jackson, New Jersey) http://www.mosquito.com/~unicorn/PAGE1.HTML    
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Advice for Organists From: Otto Pebworth <opebwrth@gte.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:53:29 -0500   Clifford N. Bohnson wrote: > I was always impressed that Virgil could pack large concert > halls and churches at reasonably stiff ticket prices -- and mostly with > young people! Sure he was a showman -- and a show-off. But man, could he > play -- both the organ, and an audience! > --     ---> How very true! How many organists these days could pack out Wolftrap for a MIDNIGHT concert!!!!! <-----  
(back) Subject: Advice isn't Advice Anymore! From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:39:53 -0500   Virgil Fox "bashing" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yea!!!! I thought the person who started this said he would like to get something POSITIVE over the list, and maybe help some other people.  
(back) Subject: Thanks all. From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:36:46 -0500   I don't like writing and thanking everyone individually, but I don't want to wear my fingers out because I can use them for more important things.   But, anyhow, Thanks to all who are helping me and will be helping me. I did get a VERY useful message privatly from one individual tha tI am printing out now and will be studying later tonight.   I must stress again that I am trying to figure out the windpressure for a NEW organ, even though the volume tone-down would help alot at Bethany. I'm thinking about going to another church and getting a different organ to play at a church where I know everybody (musical) and they know me. Over 80% of my musical and not so musical friends go there. Besides, I don't hink that methodist is for me! I DON'T do any substituting at Methodist churches, I do most of my substituting at Presbyterian churches and really enjoy it there. Any ways, I'm getting off the subject adn using band-width.   So, Adios, adn good nigh tall, and THANK YOU!!!   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O  
(back) Subject: Re: Advice isn't Advice Anymore! From: chris_wichers@americantours.com Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 17:57:06 PST   This post mirrors some of the other comments, but when I was learning the organ and practiced for hours on end, there were two role models for me: E Power Biggs and Virgil Fox. Theirs were the only record albums available to me in my small town in the 1960's. Their articulation and styling became mine for a while. Fox in particular "introduced" me to pieces I would not have seen until many years later in college (Messiaen, Mulet). Many years later, after having completed grad school and studied with Irene Robertson, Ladd Thomas and Catherine Crozier (and having developed a certain "taste" level that on occasion excludes Fox on certain pieces) I can only hope that young students today have reasonable, attainable roles models. We can always improve and change, but only when we have something foundation to hold on to. Such was Fox for me.     ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Advice isn't Advice Anymore! Author: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> at Internet Date: 01/19/98 04:57 PM     Virgil Fox "bashing" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yea!!!! I thought the person who started this said he would like to get something POSITIVE over the list, and maybe help some other people. "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: A Question for Organ Builders. From: SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:14:10 EST   In a message dated 98-01-19 14:12:41 EST, cremona84000@webtv.net writes:   << I must respond since I have been besmirched! I have moved to a new position because it is a better position offering the opportunities for directing four choirs of differing styles, a much more musically sensitive staff where the organ is concerned (pastor at the previous church does not like pipe organs or organists). Every change that was done was done with the approval and consent of the Music Committee, and in consultation with knowledgeable organ builders and the Wicks Organ Company who built the organ, who were extremely helpful. I would not dream of altering an historically significant instrument. >> *******   I agree that uninformed organists should stay out of the organ except in an emergency. However, it is my opinion that ALL organists should be able to tune a flue or reed pipe that is out of tune.   I also think if more organists were involved in organbuilding better organs-- especially the small ones that get little attention normally-- would be built.   I myself was involved in an extensive rebuilding project at my former church in Sheffield where I and members did all of the mechanical work, and then I did call in John Hendriksen to revoice the fluework. However, I have gone in and corrected minor voicing problems from time to time. The organ turned out wonderful-- been complimented by many fine organists, you know, DMA's and the like.   What got me fired had nothing to do with the organ!!   RandyT  
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopalian Question From: SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:18:54 EST   Just follow along and do whatever the person in front of you does!!! :-)   And also, the director of music should be able to help you in your choice of music, after all, that's their job!! Look at Ralph Vaughn Williams' "The Call" and others from "Five Mystical Songs" and don't neglect to look through THE HYMNAL 1982, it is full of LOVELY music that make excellent solo material!   Good luck, RandyT  
(back) Subject: Re: DO vs. PO -A Question From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:20:32 -0600   SCoonrod wrote: > > Kevin, > > As a fellow Alabamian I send greetings. Falling in love with the music of the > pipe organ is a wonderful and mysterious experience. I played a wedding in > Greenville once at FUMC. It was a Wicks. The instruments they build today > are much more refined in sound than the Greenville FUMC organ is, but I > remember it having several very nice stops.     That's my organ!! I'd like to talk more.   Kevin  
(back) Subject: Re: Organs for a lifetime From: "W. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:49:35 -0500   GRS Co LVR wrote: > ... I can remember hearing years ago ... > that the average person purchases 3 organs in their lifetime, if serious > about it...   I must be older than I thought. I have purchased four.   Grant Chapman      
(back) Subject: Re: non-organ but appropriate,Reply From: MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:59:49 EST   In a message dated 98-01-19 12:54:14 EST, you write:   << "Life is as fleeting as a rainbow, a flash of lightning, a star at dawn. Knowing this, how can you quarrel?" >> Happy the man who says not, when lightening flashes: "Life is fleeting." Zen saying.