PipeChat Digest #217 - Monday, January 26, 1998
 
Re: MIDI vs copyright
  by John Daly <jdaly@palmnet.net>
Re: MIDI vs copyright
  by Roger <pamnroy@wolfenet.com>
Re: Norbert Krausz, Krause, Kraucz
  by Dr. Darryl Miller <OrganDok@safari.net>
Re: MIDI vs copyright
  by CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com>
Re: Concise: MIDI vs copyright: What the law DOES say
  by Wm. G. Chapman <wchapmn@ibm.net>
T&V
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Norbert Krausz, Krause, Kraucz
  by ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: T&V
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: T&V
  by Randolph Runyon <runyonr@po.muohio.edu>
Re: T&V
  by Dr Edward Peterson <epeterso@madison.tdsnet.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: MIDI vs copyright From: John Daly <jdaly@palmnet.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:07:51 -0500   At 10:08 PM 1/24/98 EST, you wrote: >RIGHT ON! Greed knows no bounds. > >I gave a couple recitals in the '80s at a church in Melrose Park (suburban >Phila.) PA with ALL proceeds given to the Lutheran World Hunger Appeal- >volunteer on my part. The ASCAP group was on us like vultures, demanding >payment for any non public- domain works. We tried to point out that no >admission was charged, to no avail. The second time this happened, the >treasurer bitterly asked ASCAP if they would have us dip into the offering to >pay the ASCAP fee, and was told they had no interest in how we paid them or >from where. I got a VERY bad taste in my mouth for the fees/copyright/license >stuff. The follwoing year we discontinued the programs, since I could not see >myself using public domain material exclusively.   The greatest value of this thread would be if enough people got motivated to write their respective Congress Critters and point out how much these laws are resented.   More to the point, Copyright law is intended to promote, how does the phrase go, useful arts and science. The above anecdote illustrates that the effect is often quite the opposite.   And the reason, according to Congress, is that no one other than the music industry itself expresses any serious interest. So naturally their interests get the best representation.   There is a difficult balance between providing an economic incentive to composers, authors, publishers, performers, record companies, etc on the one hand, and allowing "consumers" to participate in the culture of our society. At the moment that balance seems to be drawn a little heavily on the side of the big music industry figures and one can hardly blame ASCAP for enforcing the rights which Congress has given them.   John    
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI vs copyright From: "Roger" <pamnroy@wolfenet.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:18:47 -0800     What seems to be missing from this thread is the simple idea that most of us live by: NO PAY, NO WORK!   If we would like to have new music written and not have to continually play the same ol' stuff, then we should ensure that composers receive a fair compensation (read that as enough to keep them composing).   On the other hand, the societies representing the composers and collecting their just due need to realize that often you sell more of a product by giving some of it away. And when they are too strict in adhering to the letter of the law for situations that are in the gray areas people will simply not use their material.    
(back) Subject: Re: Norbert Krausz, Krause, Kraucz From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <OrganDok@safari.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:14:44 -0500   Hey , Danny!   It's good to see your name again. We just got through another Church Music Explosion. It was a really good one. But, for sure, nothing like the old days when you used to come from Dallas and Detroit.   Give Judy in the Music Office (954-771-8841, extnesion 177) a call, and I'm sure she'll give you Norbert's phone number. Her e-mail address is jsteiner@crpc.org   MOre!   Darryl  
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI vs copyright From: CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:22:16 EST   In a message dated 98-01-25 09:22:03 EST, you write:   << >I gave a couple recitals in the '80s at a church in Melrose Park (suburban >Phila.) PA with ALL proceeds given to the Lutheran World Hunger Appeal- >volunteer on my part. The ASCAP group was on us like vultures, demanding >payment for any non public- domain works. >>   In that case, it wasn't a worship service. Had the same program been presented as a "Lutheran World Hunger Appeal Musical Service of Worship," with the "free-will-suggested-donation-$10" there would have been no problem.  
(back) Subject: Re: Concise: MIDI vs copyright: What the law DOES say From: "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 17:46:45 -0800   On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:26:02 -0500, Stanley Lowkis wrote: > >You cut out a key phrase in your ... Post... >Anyone can check the code as posted on the site. > Yes, perhaps people can. (Nobody with JUNO would.) But how many did before my post?   For what it is worth neither you nor anyone else did. Nor was it done the last time this came up. So once again we had the "old groans and new moans" and not a shred of light in the midst of all the heat.   WGC    
(back) Subject: T&V From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:41:55   Hiya, folks!   Came across a fun site today.... presents improvisatory and theme-and-variation techniques on the theme of "Mary Had a Little Lamb". :) Enjoy! (No, I haven't listened to the sound samples.)   http://www.prairienet.org/shepherd/mary.htm   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Norbert Krausz, Krause, Kraucz From: ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:54:21 EST   Thanks Daryl, I'll try the number soon.  
(back) Subject: Re: T&V From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:27:44 -0500   Shirley has found us a good music lesson on improvisations, - and I did listen to the sound samples, - they are fun too!   Thanks Shirley,   Bob Conway   Organic DeeJay CFRC-FM Queen's University Radio Kingston, Ontario, Canada.   At 09:41 PM 1/25/98, you wrote: >Hiya, folks! > >Came across a fun site today.... presents improvisatory and >theme-and-variation techniques on the theme of "Mary Had a Little Lamb". >:) Enjoy! (No, I haven't listened to the sound samples.) > > http://www.prairienet.org/shepherd/mary.htm > > --Shirley > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: T&V From: runyonr@po.muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:50:11 -0500   Shirley wrote: >Came across a fun site today.... presents improvisatory and >theme-and-variation techniques on the theme of "Mary Had a Little Lamb". >:) Enjoy! (No, I haven't listened to the sound samples.) > > http://www.prairienet.org/shepherd/mary.htm   Thanks, Shirley! Most entertaining. But I wonder if someone more musically educated than I and who has looked at this website can explain why in the table of ornamentation there provided from J.S. Bach's _Clavier-Buchlein vor Wilhelm Friedemann Bach_ the "Mordent" is not written out as I would expect it? That is, the mordent on C--the little wavy line with a vertical line in the middle of it--does not go CBC but DCD.   Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu Organist and Music Director, Norwood Christian Church (Cincinnati, OH) Professor of French, Miami University (Oxford, OH)      
(back) Subject: Re: T&V From: epeterso@madison.tdsnet.com (Dr Edward Peterson) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:50:12 -0500   On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:50:11 -0500, runyonr@stream.mcs.muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) wrote:   >But I wonder if someone more >musically educated than I and who has looked at this website can explain >why in the table of ornamentation there provided from J.S. Bach's >_Clavier-Buchlein vor Wilhelm Friedemann Bach_ the "Mordent" is not written >out as I would expect it? That is, the mordent on C--the little wavy line >with a vertical line in the middle of it--does not go CBC but DCD. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   Well, it shouldn't!   Dr.Ed