PipeChat Digest #222 - Thursday, January 29, 1998
 
Re: Another Moeller Question
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Keep up piano lessons prior to studying organ!
  by gregory@mke.earthreach.com <gregory@mke.earthreach.com>
Mo"ller and Moeller (was Re: Moller or Moeller?)
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Keep up piano lessons prior to studying organ!
  by Dan Wilkinson <dandub@gte.net>
Re: Famed Mollers [was Re: Curiosity killed the Comet (which was: Sagging
  by <DM726@delphi.com>
Wedding Fees  (was: From Today's Sydney Morning Herald)
  by SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com>
Re: Famed Mollers [was Re: Curiosity killed the Comet (which was:	 Saggin
  by j nathan <jnatpat@sunsix.infi.net>
Re: T&V
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Wedding Fees  (was: From Today's Sydney Morning Herald)
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: T.O. Pipework facades?
  by CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com>
Re: new light on an old topic
  by CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com>
Re: Thoughts on Volume
  by CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com>
Re: Sagging languids
  by Sean Haley <newgershwin@hotmail.com>
Re: T.O. Pipework facades?
  by Sean Haley <newgershwin@hotmail.com>
Re: Thoughts on Volume
  by Sean Haley <newgershwin@hotmail.com>
Moller archives
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
re: Gameboy
  by Kurt Kehler <kmkehler@compuserve.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Another Moeller Question From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:04:17 -0600   Kevin.M.Simons-1 wrote:   > I think one pipe on the Gedeckt rank is being > under/over blown. I'm not sure, but I'm definitely going to have a > knowledgable person come in and look at it. The great and swell are > both under expression, but in seperate boxes, with their own expression > pedal. Is that typical? It provides a nice flexibility, but it struck > me as a bit odd.   I know this is a different pipe altogether, but we had a SubBass one time that was "overblown." Well, it turned out that the thing had split wide open! Our great is not under expression, AND I LOVE IT. There is a noce artistic design to the exposed great organ. I wish I could attach the picture. The swell box is right behind the great organ, and that provides for a nice wall behind the organ.   For now,   Kevin Cartwright kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Keep up piano lessons prior to studying organ! From: "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 20:47:42 -0600   Good Evening:   Kevin C. mentioned that he was going to give up the study of piano in favor of organ lessons.   DON'T!!!!!!!!   Technique is developed by playing a piano with a well adjusted action NOT an organ!   The organ has a magical quality that draws many younger performers. Maybe this draw is due to the wide dynamic range available; maybe the draw is the endless varities of tone color.   But to be able to begin mastering the instrument you need a very solid keyboard technique. My teacher, bless her soul, would not let me touch the organ until I could play some of the Bach Two Part Inventions and a couple Beethoven Sonatas.   I only wish that I had more piano technique BEFORE I began studying the organ.   I know, there are some organists that have never had a piano lesson in their lives. But, these people are the exception, not the rule.   There are often times when I am having difficulty learning new material, I will leave the bench and go to the piano....works every time!   So Kevin, please don't take this as a lecture from a middle aged organist. Instead this is a word of advice to a new generation of greatly needed organists!   Tom Gregory First Baptist Church (An American Baptist Congregation) Waukesha WI (Home of E.M. Skinner/M.P. Moller 1956)   p.s. There are $$$$ advantages playing piano. Throughout college I earned extra money playing in polka bands and piano/banjo duos at local Shakey Parlors....(I played the piano!)    
(back) Subject: Mo"ller and Moeller (was Re: Moller or Moeller?) From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:22:21 +0000   Bob Conway wrote:   > When I read all the posts about Moller, and then some about Moeller, I > get > confused! Is there a Moller Organ Company, as well as a Moeller > Organ > Company, or are they really one and the same?   They are indeed the same company. Moeller is really the proper way to render the name when one is without the umlaut which would properly live over the solo O in Moller. (Mo"ller)   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Keep up piano lessons prior to studying organ! From: Dan Wilkinson <dandub@gte.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:52:50 -0800   Dear Listers:   I whole-heartedly agree......at least IMHO, one MUST have piano lessons and a good foundation in the piano before one starts organ lessons.....my piano/organ teach (God rest her soul!) wouldn't let me take organ lessons until I had had at LEAST 5 years of piano lessons......this cannot be a hard and fast rule, because I have a friend who, now is 83 years old and is an excellent classical and theatre organist. He wanted to start taking organ lessons when he was 40 years old....his teacher (Clarence Mater??) demanded he have a solid piano backround, however, he had none. Clarence relented after my friend sat down and could play most of the Bach inventions from memory.   But, I know that the more I play the organ and the less I play the piano, the more my technique suffers.....so...if you're considering organ lessons....make sure you have a good foundation in piano and make sure you have the technique to do BOTH justice....   Dan Wilkinson   At 08:47 PM 1/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >Good Evening: > >Kevin C. mentioned that he was going to give up the study of piano in >favor of organ lessons. > >DON'T!!!!!!!! > >Technique is developed by playing a piano with a well adjusted action NOT >an organ! > >The organ has a magical quality that draws many younger performers. >Maybe this draw is due to the wide dynamic range available; maybe the >draw is the endless varities of tone color. > >But to be able to begin mastering the instrument you need a very solid >keyboard technique. >My teacher, bless her soul, would not let me touch the organ until I >could play some of the Bach Two Part Inventions and a couple Beethoven >Sonatas. > >I only wish that I had more piano technique BEFORE I began studying the >organ. > >I know, there are some organists that have never had a piano lesson in >their lives. But, these people are the exception, not the rule. > >There are often times when I am having difficulty learning new material, >I will leave the bench and go to the piano....works every time! > >So Kevin, please don't take this as a lecture from a middle aged >organist. Instead this is a word of advice to a new generation of >greatly needed organists! > >Tom Gregory >First Baptist Church (An American Baptist Congregation) > > >p.s. There are $$$$ advantages playing piano. Throughout college I >earned extra money playing in polka bands and piano/banjo duos at local >Shakey Parlors....(I played the piano!)      
(back) Subject: Re: Famed Mollers [was Re: Curiosity killed the Comet (which was: Sagging Languids)] From: DM726@delphi.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:54:34 -0500 (EST)   How about the Moller Biggs played in NYC St. Georges I think? It had some great sounding reeds.  
(back) Subject: Wedding Fees (was: From Today's Sydney Morning Herald) From: SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:02:15 EST   In a message dated 98-01-28 21:13:31 EST, kevin1@alaweb.com writes:   << From the little experience I have: If I had to play the whole time, I would charge more. If I just had to wait, I would charge the normal amount. If I had to wait and then play the entire ceremony, I would charge more. If I had to play during the period, then play for the ceremony, I would probably charge more than more. >> Kevin,   I have tried to be open minded with you because you are young, but you should think about what you say and how it will come across to those who read it. Until you have had several years of organ lessons and experience various instruments and literature you should probably charge LESS, and be glad you have the learning experience! When I was younger I spouted off like I knew everything, and all it got me was a bunch of adults who paid me little mind. Take it with from one who has been where you are, because I am from a small town in Alabam, too. Choose your words carefully. As a wise man reminded me earlier today via Email-you are *SO* lucky to have the computer and internet. Listen and learn, and may your learning and music making bring you much joy :-)   P.S. Another word of wisdom. Listen to folks when they say you are playing too loud....they are probably at least partially right. Play the sermon hymn softly, if the text allows, and save the full organ for the last verse or two of the final hymn. I have found that if I stay away from using the full ensemble on at least the inner verses, I can throw on SFZ liberally near the end and never once do they complain. Loud organ sound on 4 or 5 verses with no change will kill the ears of anyone, even an organist!   I am waiting for my punishment from all who think this was better left unsaid.   RandyT  
(back) Subject: Re: Famed Mollers [was Re: Curiosity killed the Comet (which was: Sagging Languids)] From: j nathan <jnatpat@sunsix.infi.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:17:42 -0600   Ken wrote: > > Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com wrote: > > > I don't hear of many Moller organs that are famous today. > > Well, there is that charmin' li'l ol' installation down south in > Charlotte (actually, Matthews), North Carolina: Calvary Church, home of > the 205 rank Moller. > > Ken Sybesma >   Not to mention the big V/100 rk organ of West End United Methodist Church in Nashville, Tennessee. Andrew Risinger really knows how to make her sing!   J Nathan Patton > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: T&V From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:24:37   At 08:08 01/28/98 EST, you wrote: >NOW FOLKS: this does not >mean that I am saying that the organ is unexpressive and unforgiving as a >musical instrument, I love both instruments, they are different, and that is >good. > >RandyT   Yay Randy!!!   Of course, all of us who subscribe to this list know that.... but I have heard so many people make the assumption that if you can play the piano, you can play the organ, and vice versa. The black-and-white half-step keyboard is where the similarity ENDS!   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Fees (was: From Today's Sydney Morning Herald) From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:44:40   At 22:02 01/28/98 EST, you wrote:   > When I was younger I spouted off like I knew >everything, and all it got me was a bunch of adults who paid me little mind.   Me too.... it seems that when we're in our teens and early 20s, we think we know it all. It isn't till years later when we are embarrassed by the actions we took, the words we said, that we realize how blissfully ignorant we really were.   (...)   >Choose your words carefully. (...)   And there's no need to respond to each and every email.... there's one from you, for example, aimed in the direction of one of my posts that I've chosen NOT to respond to.     (Excellent advice on hymn-playing volume deleted.)   >I am waiting for my punishment from all who think this was better left unsaid. > >RandyT   Well, Randy, we probably should have taken it to private email..... :)   Also, Kevin, if there are a *lot* of people complimenting you on your playing, it might do you well to examine it. Church people, in order to say something nice, will FIND something nice to say.   Humility. I guess when we're teenagers we don't really understand the meaning of the word till much later....   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: T.O. Pipework facades? From: CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:07:50 EST   In a message dated 98-01-28 03:51:24 EST, you write:   << Have you ever considered taking your Gameboy to play with during "boring" sermons and/or piano recitals? >>   Professional church choisters are not above putting the NYTimes crossword in their folders. Makes it look like their taking notes on the sermon. Not that MY choir members EVER do anything like that . . .  
(back) Subject: Re: new light on an old topic From: CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:05:38 EST   In a message dated 98-01-27 23:20:33 EST, you write:   << >IOW talent + training beats equipment every day. (3% bodyfat doesn't hurt >either) OK..... what does percentage of body fat have to do with quality in organ-playing? >>   Like the talent of Virgil Fox, Patrick Moraz, E. Power Biggs, et al, the body composition of my "riding buddy" will be mine only in my wildest imaginings.   Coupulently Yours   Charles >Charter member of "Team Gravity" downhill bike rider  
(back) Subject: Re: Thoughts on Volume From: CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:13:22 EST   In a message dated 98-01-28 17:13:33 EST, you write:   << I am going to quote a small section of an early chapter of this writing in the hopes that it might possibly provoke some thought by those of us who play the Theatre Organ AND those of us who play church music, or other types of classical organ literature. >>   WHAT!!!. SPEAK UP SON. WHY IS IT YOU YOUNG PEOPLE ALWAYS WHISPER ALL THE TIME?  
(back) Subject: Re: Sagging languids From: "Sean Haley" <newgershwin@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:31:01 PST   Jason Comet wrote...   >Is that why Moller Organs aren't in big use today????? >I don't hear of many Moller organs that are famous today. They seem to >have died away. There are several very large Mollers that are used and recorded on a regular basis. The most recent is the 5m 205rk Moller at Calvary Church in Charlotte, N.C. built in 1990 as the firm's last large instrument.   Sean Haley   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: T.O. Pipework facades? From: "Sean Haley" <newgershwin@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:36:19 PST     Just a quick responce,   Anything behind swell shades whether glass or wood is not a facade, but pipes behind transparent swell shades.   Sean Haley         ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Thoughts on Volume From: "Sean Haley" <newgershwin@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:14:04 PST     I have been told that I play too loud a time or two as well. When I became an organist for the church I go to, I did not realize that the previous organist ( who still plays for services regularly) did not know (and still doesn't) what full organ is, even on the last verse. He never used any pedals or anything more than 8' and 4' flutes. The very first time I played and ended a verse on full organ (down to 16' pedal reeds) I thought I could hear people jump off of the benches when they heard the large mass of sound [that no one had ever experienced before (I will admit I enjoyed that experience)]. I also had them revoice the speakers to be more in balance with each other which did help considerably.   Sean Haley   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Moller archives From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:38:42 -0600   Records now with Allen Organ Co.  
(back) Subject: re: Gameboy From: Kurt Kehler <kmkehler@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:38:33 -0500   >If there were >glass swell shades, you would be able to see about 90% of the organ! =   >Something to look at when the sermon gets boring.   >>Have you ever considered taking your Gameboy to play with during >>"boring" sermons   You could just go outside and smoke a cigarette. Aren't those Gameboy batteries expensive?   Kurt