PipeChat Digest #224 - Thursday, January 29, 1998
 
Re: Wedding Fees  (was: From Today's Sydney Morning Herald)
  by Gordon Lucas & Larry McGuire <stops@globalnet.co.uk>
Re: Keep up piano lessons prior to studying organ!
  by Gordon Lucas & Larry McGuire <stops@globalnet.co.uk>
Re: Which is it? Moller, Moeller or Mo"ller?
  by Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
TAO classified
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: T.O. Pipework facades?
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: Gameboy
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Tracker rods
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: GOING TO SAN FRANCISCO
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
RE: Gameboy
  by Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: Keep up piano lessons prior to studying organ!
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Keep up piano lessons prior to studying organ!
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: GOING TO SAN FRANCISCO
  by Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: Wedding Fees  (was: From Today's Sydney Morning Herald)
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
simple sketches of various pipe shapes/styles
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: Gameboy
  by Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com>
re: Gameboy
  by Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net>
The sermons (used to be Re: Gameboy)
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Church Instruments (used to be Re: Gameboy)
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Wedding Fees  (was: From Today's Sydney Morning Herald)
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Gameboy
  by Kevin.M.Simons-1 <Kevin.M.Simons-1@ou.edu>
Upsetting the congregation
  by Kevin.M.Simons-1 <Kevin.M.Simons-1@ou.edu>
Re: Upsetting the congregation
  by Dr. Darryl Miller <OrganDok@safari.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Fees (was: From Today's Sydney Morning Herald) From: Gordon Lucas & Larry McGuire <stops@globalnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:50:37 GMT   > >I am waiting for my punishment from all who think this was better left unsaid. > >RandyT > On the other hand, out of the mouths of babes......   Seriously, though, on the point of playing too loudly. Has Kevin ever been charged with playing too softly?????   I suspect not, and if not, that in itself should tell him something.   Another small point however which I have noticed over the years.   A pipe organ as one adds more stops, need not necessarily get 'much' louder (especially if all the stops are say at 8 & 4), but the sound as one adds more stops, gets a lot richer and fuller. With the 'average' electronic/digital organ on the other hand, there is not a marked difference to the depth of tone as one adds more unison stops, on the other hand, the 'sound' can often get 'thinner'.   The only real way to increase the level of sound emanating from an electronic/digital organ is to do just that, make it louder in real terms, by turning up the volume control (swell pedal). On the 'avarage' electronic / digital organ, even the tutti can sound 'thin' and 'weak', compared with the rich 'depth' of tone from the pipe organ.   In the pipe organ of course, the depth of tone is caused by the way, by hundreds of individual free phase tone generators, all with their own dedicated amplifiers and frequency resonant chamber channels, each imperceptibly but slightly out of tune one to another, all playing simultaneously in their own space with complete randomness and freedom, and all coupled to the buildings structure, but all under the control of the player.   Larry    
(back) Subject: Re: Keep up piano lessons prior to studying organ! From: Gordon Lucas & Larry McGuire <stops@globalnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:50:34 GMT   Dear List   If I may add my 2 cents worth, to coin a phrase........   The black-and-white half-step keyboard is where the similarity ENDS!   Right on Shirley....   When I started playing / learning to play, I was FORCED into taking piano lessons, 'cos my teachers (one of whom was the senior Scottish examiner at the time - Dr Eric Smith - and that will date me to those that know of these things <g> ) insisted that I do so. I did, for a short time, getting to the point where I almost decided to stop learning. I hated the piano then, and I dislike it still - as an instrument upon which to play - BUT - I will happily listen to other performers play it. The Piano just does ABSOLUTE ZERO for me when I play it. The organ on the other hand, has always given me an immense amount of pleasure and personal satisfaction to play, and although I do not want to blow my own piccolo (much less my Tuba) those who listen to me play seem to enjoy the noises I make. I will concede, that having a solid grounding on the piano allows the organ teacher to not have to worry about teaching the basic elements of playing and reading music, but at the same time, IMHO - whilst one can happily and favourably compare the playing techniques of the piano with the harpsichord, one can compare the playing technique of NEITHER of these instruments to the technique of playing the organ....   One of my ORGAN teachers of the dim past, who was in his own right, considered to be something of an 'expert' in these things, once told me that the difference between the piano and the organ was that with the piano, what matters is the way the keys are pressed down, whereas with the organ, it is in the way one lets the key go.   One of Scotland's most enthusiastic of tracker action afficionados has admitted to me that he cannot actually control the pallets opening in anything but the very slowest of pieces, and even with the very best of mechanical actions (which his brand new tracker organ had), that once two manuals are coupled, it was sometimes impossible to guarantee that the pallets would actually open properly during rapid passages..... (remind me, why were pneumatic and electro-pneumatic actions invented???? <;-))> )   Then again, there is the virtuoso theatre organist, who requires a delicacy of touch to control 1st and 2nd touches on the keyboard, which no piano training in the world will assist. In this case, practice at an organ console with light and properly regulated (electric) key action is the only thing which will help.   On the other hand, if one is playing one of the modern electronic 'thingies', which has touch sensitive keyboards, and one is doing strange things with pre-, and after-, touch sensitivity, then a certain amount of piano practice might help, but these electronic keyboard 'thingies' are not organs, are they??? Have I stirred up a few wasps???   Larry        
(back) Subject: Re: Which is it? Moller, Moeller or Mo"ller? From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:50:43 -0500 (EST)   Excerpts from mail: 29-Jan-98 Re: Which is it? Moller, M.. by Robert Ehrhardt@softdisk > As I recall the Mo(e)ller family came to America from Holland. Nope. Denmark. Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: TAO classified From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:43:30 EST   Hello List: In a recent issue of The American Organist, a classified ad ran offering a double Moller Artiste for sale. I no longer subscribe to TAO,,,would someone be so kind as to forward me the name, address, and/or phone number listed with this classified ad...   Thanks much..   Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: T.O. Pipework facades? From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:33:14 -0500     > Anything behind swell shades whether glass or wood >is not a facade, but pipes behind transparent swell shades. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey, At least you can see the pipes!   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Re: Gameboy From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:35:39 -0500     >You could just go outside and smoke a cigarette. Aren't those >Gameboy batteries expensive? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Hey, some of us, like the 15 year-olds, DON'T smoke and will never ever!!!!   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Tracker rods From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:58:07 -0500   What is the best material to make Tracker Rods and Trundels out of???   Also, what is teh best wood to use to make the tops and bottoms of leather pouches, lifts (That's what I came up with at last moment!), etc...................???????????????????????????????????????????????   Help in this subject would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks a lot....   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Re: GOING TO SAN FRANCISCO From: ComposerTX@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:14:13 EST   Steve, Do not miss the Wurlitzers at [in my order of preference] the Berkeley Community Theatre in Berkely, the Castro Theatre in SF, the Oakland Paramount in Oakland, and the Grand Lake Theatre south of SF near San Jose [?]. Enjoy and report back to me if you can. Thanks. Danny Ray ComposerTX@AOL.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Gameboy From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:32:43 -0800   At 10:12 1/29/98 -0800, Wildhirt, Richard wrote: >> From: Adam Levin[SMTP:alevin@advance.net] >> >> What about for those of us who aren't Christian but are (or might >> someday >> be) church organists? >> >> >Then the urgency for you to listen is obviously greater. Whether you >are a Christian or not, you'd still do well to listen. It's certainly >healthier--and definitely more appropriate--than a Gameboy, a crossword >puzzle, or smoking.   I've tried to keep out of this one, but I can't.   I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN ORGAN LIST, NOT A RELIGION LIST! I am Jewish, but have played in christian churches for over 30 years. It has not influenced my choice of religion, it is just A JOB! Thanks, I'm off my soap box now.     Regards,   Bob        
(back) Subject: Re: Keep up piano lessons prior to studying organ! From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:53:21 -0600   gregory@mke.earthreach.com wrote: > > Good Evening: > > Kevin C. mentioned that he was going to give up the study of piano in > favor of organ lessons. > > DON'T!!!!!!!! > > Technique is developed by playing a piano with a well adjusted action NOT > an organ! > > The organ has a magical quality that draws many younger performers. > Maybe this draw is due to the wide dynamic range available; maybe the > draw is the endless varities of tone color. > > But to be able to begin mastering the instrument you need a very solid > keyboard technique. > My teacher, bless her soul, would not let me touch the organ until I > could play some of the Bach Two Part Inventions and a couple Beethoven > Sonatas. > > I only wish that I had more piano technique BEFORE I began studying the > organ. > > I know, there are some organists that have never had a piano lesson in > their lives. But, these people are the exception, not the rule. > > There are often times when I am having difficulty learning new material, > I will leave the bench and go to the piano....works every time! > > So Kevin, please don't take this as a lecture from a middle aged > organist. Instead this is a word of advice to a new generation of > greatly needed organists! > > Tom Gregory > First Baptist Church (An American Baptist Congregation) > Waukesha WI > (Home of E.M. Skinner/M.P. Moller 1956) > > p.s. There are $$$$ advantages playing piano. Throughout college I > earned extra money playing in polka bands and piano/banjo duos at local > Shakey Parlors....(I played the piano!) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     Sometimes people jump to conclusions. I have a goal of finishing level five before I take formal organ lessons. I think I will be finished with level five by the end of the summer. Then, I will use the money to take organ lessons. Yes, a piano works for basic keyboarding of organ music, but it can NEVER match the organ, having two manuals AND a full pedalboard. When I practice organ music on the piano, I tend to be able to play it on the piano better, and that kind of ruins the organ touch.   Just my opionion...   Kevin Cartrwight kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Keep up piano lessons prior to studying organ! From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:56:48 -0600   Dan Wilkinson wrote: > > Dear Listers: > > I whole-heartedly agree......at least IMHO, one MUST have piano lessons and > a good foundation in the piano before one starts organ lessons.....my > piano/organ teach (God rest her soul!) wouldn't let me take organ lessons > until I had had at LEAST 5 years of piano lessons......this cannot be a > hard and fast rule, because I have a friend who, now is 83 years old and is > an excellent classical and theatre organist. He wanted to start taking > organ lessons when he was 40 years old....his teacher (Clarence Mater??) > demanded he have a solid piano backround, however, he had none. Clarence > relented after my friend sat down and could play most of the Bach > inventions from memory. > > But, I know that the more I play the organ and the less I play the piano, > the more my technique suffers.....so...if you're considering organ > lessons....make sure you have a good foundation in piano and make sure you > have the technique to do BOTH justice.... > > Dan Wilkinson   I would MUCH rather play the organ than the piano. If I loose the touch, I would be hurt, but not really mad. I think everyone tends to have their own ideas, and likes do what they want to do. I do too.   Just a thought...   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: GOING TO SAN FRANCISCO From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:59:04 -0800   At 16:14 1/29/98 EST, ComposerTX@aol.com wrote: >Steve, >Do not miss the Wurlitzers at [in my order of preference] the Berkeley >Community Theatre in Berkely, the Castro Theatre in SF, the Oakland Paramount >in Oakland, and the Grand Lake Theatre south of SF near San Jose [?]. Enjoy >and report back to me if you can. >Thanks. >Danny Ray >ComposerTX@AOL.com   OOPS, the Grand Lake Theatre is in Oakland...     Regards,   Bob        
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Fees (was: From Today's Sydney Morning Herald) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:03:46 -0600   SCoonrod wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-28 21:13:31 EST, kevin1@alaweb.com writes: > > << > From the little experience I have: If I had to play the whole time, I > would charge more. If I just had to wait, I would charge the normal > amount. If I had to wait and then play the entire ceremony, I would > charge more. If I had to play during the period, then play for the > ceremony, I would probably charge more than more. > >> > Kevin, > > I have tried to be open minded with you because you are young, but you should > think about what you say and how it will come across to those who read it. > Until you have had several years of organ lessons and experience various > instruments and literature you should probably charge LESS, and be glad you > have the learning experience! When I was younger I spouted off like I knew > everything, and all it got me was a bunch of adults who paid me little mind. > Take it with from one who has been where you are, because I am from a small > town in Alabam, too. > Choose your words carefully. As a wise man reminded me earlier today via > Email-you are *SO* lucky to have the computer and internet. Listen and learn, > and may your learning and music making bring you much joy :-) > > P.S. Another word of wisdom. Listen to folks when they say you are playing > too loud....they are probably at least partially right. Play the sermon hymn > softly, if the text allows, and save the full organ for the last verse or two > of the final hymn. I have found that if I stay away from using the full > ensemble on at least the inner verses, I can throw on SFZ liberally near the > end and never once do they complain. Loud organ sound on 4 or 5 verses with > no change will kill the ears of anyone, even an organist! > > I am waiting for my punishment from all who think this was better left unsaid. > > RandyT > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     I do use this "system." The people who complain the most are the elderly. On top of that, many of them are trying to talk over the postlude anyway, and I (or any other organist who might be playing) am always fussed at when I get out of the console, yes, that's right, we have to 'climb' (overstating it) out of the hole it's in. No matter if the piece is loud or soft, there is always somebody fussing, but there are always about 10 to 1 who love the music, and say so.   For now,   Kevin Cartwright kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: simple sketches of various pipe shapes/styles From: ComposerTX@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:52:47 EST   Hi folks,   Anyone have sketches in downloadable files of various pipe styles for inclusion in an informative article for my church newsletter? I just want to show the general shape and dimensional relationships; it doesn't need to be technically perfect.   I need: Principal String Tapered [Gemshorn or Spitzflote] Rohrflote or Metal Bourdon Gedackt or Wooden Bourdon Trumpet Church Oboe Clainet or Krummhorn   Do you have them in individual files, or in one big one? I figure that no one need re-invent the wheel; so if you can help, let me know.   Thanks all. Danny Ray   If you're interested in the finished product, it will be formatted for 8 1/2 X 11", and I will post about how to get it.  
(back) Subject: Re: Gameboy From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:11:34 -0600   >On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Wildhirt, Richard wrote: >> This is a frustrating thread, because we could all do well to actually >> listen to the words of the preacher, particularly if you play for a true >> Christian church. Oooo, what a concept! IMHO, being a church organist >> is not just a job, folks. It's a ministry, and you need to be regularly >> fed to effectively accomplish that ministry. Get to the words of the >> message, and try not to get too hung up on the delivery. >   Richard, you must not have to listen to the sermon more than once, right? I get to hear it twice on Sunday mornings. The second time, I usually mosey on down to the men's room, then to the kitchen to filch a handful of bread (on communion Sundays), then over to the sound room, then back to the head usher for a chat before I head back to my pew. Unfortunately, my pew is in full view of the pastor while he is preaching, and he's one of those 'wanderers' who loves to walk around the sanctuary while he's talking, which keeps most folks pretty honest and awake. At my home church in San Antonio, somebody told the pastor that during the sermons, I was slipping out a side door by the organ loft and hitting the Coke machine before returning to my seat (a tiny staircase next to the organ, which was hidden so all you could see of me was my head down to my chest); one Sunday, the dirty rat (actually he and I got along just great) waited until he heard my door close, and then, without missing a beat, announced that he felt like doing another hymn. Lucky for me, I had extremely acute hearing, and I abandoned my Coke on top of the machine as I flew through the doorway and took my staircase at a single bound to jump back on the organ bench. He had a truly impish look on his face as he turned his back to the congregation and asked, "Ready, Vernon?" "Of course, Rev, just waitin' for you!" was my reply. Lots of good-natured chuckles after the service about that one.   At the church I was brought up in, nobody really objected when the organist, up in the choir loft behind the congregation, sat there during the sermon reading Seventeen magazine, but when she started leaving her Cosmopolitans next to the bench, she was called in for a brief conference.   \/\/\    
(back) Subject: re: Gameboy From: Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:53:28 -0500 (EST)   >>just go outside and smoke a cigarette > >Or stay inside and smoke a cigarette.... just remember to keep ringing >those little bells each time you puff!   Didn't Saint-Saens smoke cigars in the organ loft, so there was a cloud of smoke coming from the front, and from the back? That's what I heard from Richard Morris.   _____ | |_____ | || |_____ |Stephen || |_____ ______|F.P. Karr| || |_____ ______ |o o || || || || || |_____ | o o| | o o||Student Organist || || |_____ |o o | |o o || || || || || || || | | o o| | o o||Organist and Director of Music, | |o o | |o o || Bethlehem Lutheran Church|| | | o o| | o o|| || || || || || || | |o o | |o o || Aiken, SC || || || || | | o o| | o o| \ / \ / \U/ \S/ \A/ \ / \ / |o o | |o o | V V V V V V V | o o| | o o|_____________________________________|o o | |o o || E E | E E E | E E | E E E | E E | || o o| | o o||_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_||o o |    
(back) Subject: The sermons (used to be Re: Gameboy) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:58:16 -0600   > This is a frustrating thread, because we could all do well to actually > listen to the words of the preacher, particularly if you play for a true > Christian church. Oooo, what a concept! IMHO, being a church organist > is not just a job, folks. It's a ministry, and you need to be regularly > fed to effectively accomplish that ministry. Get to the words of the > message, and try not to get too hung up on the delivery.   AMEN!! I usually listen to the sermons; mostly because our preacher makes them so interesting. The only boring ones are those that you hear several times throughout the year, over and over, and you wonder what happened to those fun ones he usually delivers.   For now,   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Church Instruments (used to be Re: Gameboy) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:04:16 -0600   Jon C. Habermaas wrote: > > After following this thread I wonder if there is a clue here as why > organs are apparently falling out of favor at worship services. I envy > you folks that have an organ as part of your worship service. We have > a piano, flute, guitar,drums and periodically someone at a keyboard. > I can guarantee all these folks are totally emersed in the worship > service. As much as I miss not having an organ as part of the service, > the quality of the worship service is far more important and I have > to be satisfied with hearing the organ at OHS events, recitals, etc. > > Jon > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     Don't feel bad, my grandmother's church has glittery walls, a dozen ceiling fans, and a piano with a bass guitar! The glittery walls actually consist of paint that they mixed with store-bought glitter!! Why?? Don't ask me. But, it is a fun church (Pentacostal Holyness).   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Fees (was: From Today's Sydney Morning Herald) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:11:15 -0600   Gordon Lucas & Larry McGuire wrote: > > > > >I am waiting for my punishment from all who think this was better left unsaid. > > > >RandyT > > > On the other hand, out of the mouths of babes...... > > Seriously, though, on the point of playing too loudly. Has Kevin ever been > charged with playing too softly????? > > I suspect not, and if not, that in itself should tell him something. > > Another small point however which I have noticed over the years. > > A pipe organ as one adds more stops, need not necessarily get 'much' louder > (especially if all the stops are say at 8 & 4), but the sound as one adds > more stops, gets a lot richer and fuller. With the 'average' > electronic/digital organ on the other hand, there is not a marked difference > to the depth of tone as one adds more unison stops, on the other hand, the > 'sound' can often get 'thinner'. > > The only real way to increase the level of sound emanating from an > electronic/digital organ is to do just that, make it louder in real terms, > by turning up the volume control (swell pedal). On the 'avarage' electronic > / digital organ, even the tutti can sound 'thin' and 'weak', compared with > the rich 'depth' of tone from the pipe organ. > > In the pipe organ of course, the depth of tone is caused by the way, by > hundreds of individual free phase tone generators, all with their own > dedicated amplifiers and frequency resonant chamber channels, each > imperceptibly but slightly out of tune one to another, all playing > simultaneously in their own space with complete randomness and freedom, and > all coupled to the buildings structure, but all under the control of the > player. > > Larry     Actually, I have. The groundskeeper told me when I played the organ, he wanted me to play it nice and loud, like an old organist (this man played several times in Carnegie Hall, NY, then retired to our church in his hometown). One day, I played "Morning Has Broken" as a soft prelude. Afterwards, he said he wished I had done something loud with it. But, that one sounds better soft in my opionion. So, yes, I have been fussed about that too.   For now,   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Gameboy From: "Kevin.M.Simons-1" <Kevin.M.Simons-1@ou.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:19:08 -0600   Stephen F P Karr wrote: > > >>just go outside and smoke a cigarette > > > >Or stay inside and smoke a cigarette.... just remember to keep ringing > >those little bells each time you puff! > > Didn't Saint-Saens smoke cigars in the organ loft, so there was a cloud of > smoke coming from the front, and from the back? That's what I heard from > Richard Morris. >   I too have heard the same about Saint-Saens. On a bit different tack, I was wondering how many composers of what we would call "church music" organic or non were aetheist. I know Vaughan Williams was as well as a couple others? Any thoughts?   Kevin M. Simons  
(back) Subject: Upsetting the congregation From: "Kevin.M.Simons-1" <Kevin.M.Simons-1@ou.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:22:24 -0600   Howdy List,   Another thing to throw into the fray. How do your congregations feel about free harmonizations on the last verses of hymns? Do you do any modulating? What about introductions or fanfares? Does this throw your congregation or complain?   BTW, thanks for the help on my Moeller question. I went to the church today, and was able to set the pistons! Thanks, it made my practice session much better!   Kevin M. Simons  
(back) Subject: Re: Upsetting the congregation From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <OrganDok@safari.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:07:58 -0500   Hi, Y'all!   Kevin wrote: > > Another thing to throw into the fray. How do your congregations feel > about free harmonizations on the last verses of hymns? Do you do any > modulating? What about introductions or fanfares? Does this throw > your congregation or complain?   Only re-harmonize the last verse of hymns? Why not the first verse? Free introductions? Descants? Modulations? Interludes?   Of course! In excelsis!!!!!!!!!!   Darryl by the Sea