PipeChat Digest #438 - Thursday, July 2, 1998
 
Organists in life
  by <Picander@aol.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
Bye:(
  by "Jenny Moon" <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk>
Re: Bye:(
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: What a find!
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by "Thomas Haubrich" <haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
Re: Organists in life
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: Another one....
  by "John F. Crowley" <jfjc@juno.com>
Re: Another one....
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net>
Re: Organists in life
  by "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net>
Re: Organists in life
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Organists in life
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Organists in life
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by "Thomas Haubrich" <haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
Re: Organists in life
  by <Shakehip@aol.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Organists in life
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Organists in life
  by <Shakehip@aol.com>
Organists in life - Followup
  by <Picander@aol.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by <Picander@aol.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by <GHamil9709@aol.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
Re: Organists in life
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
Re: Another one....
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
RE: Organists in life - Followup
  by "Vox Celeste" <voxceleste@mailexcite.com>
Re: Best Bach Collections
  by "Vernon Moeller" <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by "Thomas Haubrich" <haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
Re: Organists in life
  by <ROBIN88866@aol.com>
Re: Another one....
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: What a find!
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: Transposing
  by "Karen R. Clifton" <karencl@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Sine Nomine
  by "Karen R. Clifton" <karencl@worldnet.att.net>
ADMIN POSTING - ALL READ
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
New CD Release: Felix Nowowiejski
  by "Thomas Haubrich" <haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
 


(back) Subject: Organists in life From: <Picander@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:32:45 EDT     Are there any online resources or surveys in regard to organists as gay vs. straight? Word of mouth is one thing but I'm wondering if any research or hard data has ever been compiled, either pro or con.   I'm sure that private responses would be most appropriate here.   Thank you,   Brent Peterson Phoenix, Arizona  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:10:09 -0400   At 06:32 AM 7/2/98 EDT, Brent Peterson wrote: > >Are there any online resources or surveys in regard to >organists as gay vs. straight? Word of mouth is one >thing but I'm wondering if any research or hard data >has ever been compiled, either pro or con.   Not to be argumentative, and with all due respect, what the heck difference does it make?   djb    
(back) Subject: Bye:( From: Jenny Moon <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:21:12 BST     Hello to you all.   This time tomorrow I shall be on the London Underground heading for Stokton on Tees, which is in Northern England, near Newcastle. I have been asked to work there for the summer (until the end of September) and will not have access to email or internet. I will be staying with my parents, and my Dad is to tight fisted to get internet or email and this means I shall be unsubscribing from the lists tomorrow morning until late September. A whole three months without Bruce Cornely, how will I survive:(   I Will miss it dearly, and I look forward to hearing from you all again when I get back to sunny Brighton by the sea.   No tears please:(   Jen. <bfus7@central.sussex.ac.uk>      
(back) Subject: Re: Bye:( From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:22:09 EDT   Dear Jennifer,   Have fun up there, it's a beautiful area. I look forward to your return.   John Dallas, Texas  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:24:47 EDT   In a message dated 7/2/98 5:38:26 AM Central Daylight Time, Picander@aol.com writes:   << Are there any online resources or surveys in regard to organists as gay vs. straight? >>   The better question would be: Who isn't? :-)  
(back) Subject: Re: What a find! From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:27:21 EDT   In a message dated 7/1/98 2:18:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scarboro@digital.net writes:   << I'll post more about the OHS convention highlights, and my Tom Murray story (Arp!!) soon! >>   What a find indeed!! Have you had high priced offers yet?   Did you go "no mail" during the convention? I did daily reviews of the convention, as I had done last year in Portland, on PipOrg-L, and at David Scribner's request, double posted them this time to PipChat. If you missed them, and are interested, I will gladly send them to you, and I'll certainly be interested in reading your reactions to the convention as well.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:35:13 EDT   In an anecdote relayed to me by another theater organist, Lyn Larsen, when asked if all theatre organists were gay, replied, "Only the great ones!"  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: "Thomas Haubrich" <haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:55:45 +0200     -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: danbel@earthlink.net <danbel@earthlink.net> An: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Datum: Donnerstag, 2. Juli 1998 14:10 Betreff: Re: Organists in life     >At 06:32 AM 7/2/98 EDT, Brent Peterson wrote: >> >>Are there any online resources or surveys in regard to >>organists as gay vs. straight? Word of mouth is one >>thing but I'm wondering if any research or hard data >>has ever been compiled, either pro or con.       Someone may me call ignorant, but:   What does this have to do with organ playing, organ music, or organ building?   Can you HEAR it, if a straight (female or male) or a homophile (female or male) organist is PLAYING?????     Let's better turn back to ORGAN things again.   Only a humble prepose...   Thomas Haubrich Organist Hermeskeil Protestant Church      
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:37:41 EDT   There certainly are straight organists. I have met both of them.  
(back) Subject: Re: Another one.... From: jfjc@juno.com (John F. Crowley) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:31:37 -0500   Wouldn't have any professional recordings out would ya?   John   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Another one.... From: <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:20:17 EDT   yes, but not on the Theatre Organ, I have a tape of original music for meditation and relaxation, I played piano, and orchestrated the 60 voice choir, 14 strings, flute, and oboe. It's called Reflections: Songs Without Words. Regards, Danny Ray, Dallas  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:24:38 -0800   Are you *SURE* they were (are?) straight??    
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:26:31 -0800   I am not so sure that a little break now and again from teh usual humdrum organ life is not a bad thing! These particular postings gave me the first chuckle of the day!! Morgan    
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:43:31 -0400   Picander@aol.com wrote:   > Are there any online resources or surveys in regard to > organists as gay vs. straight? Word of mouth is one > thing but I'm wondering if any research or hard data > has ever been compiled, either pro or con.   Why not set yourself up in a little booth at the AGO 2000 national convention in Seattle, and conduct a survey? ( :   > I'm sure that private responses would be most > appropriate here.   Ah! But public replies would be much more fun. : )   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:50:30 -0400   ComposerTX@aol.com wrote:   > There certainly are straight organists. I have met both of them.   There are two now? Wow, the recruitment campaign is finally paying off.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:52:30 EDT   so many toaster ovens . . . so little time  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: "Thomas Haubrich" <haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:56:00 +0200     -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: mewzishn@spec.net <mewzishn@spec.net> An: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Datum: Donnerstag, 2. Juli 1998 17:51 Betreff: Re: Organists in life     >> There certainly are straight organists. I have met both of them. > >There are two now? Wow, the recruitment campaign is finally paying off. > >Ken Sybesma         Threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!   Thomas Haubrich      
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:01:46 EDT   What ???? Gays in the church... impossible !   But seriously, I feel that sexuality should be like farting at a family gathering... *Don't ask, don't tell* - - I mean, if I decided to tell this list about the love life between me and my wife, would it be appropriate to the list because I'm an organist ? I think that's something personal...   - - Ed  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:50:19 -0400       Shakehip@aol.com wrote:   > What ???? Gays in the church... impossible ! > > But seriously, I feel that sexuality should be like farting at a family > gathering... *Don't ask, don't tell* - - I mean, if I decided to tell this > list about the love life between me and my wife   Now that you've cleared up any question we never had about your orientation, "Don't ask, don't tell" is a horrible policy. As the quotation in a recent article stated, it's a policy that has only succeeded in building a brick wall around many a person's "closet." Dismissals from the armed services, post-DADTDP, for being lesbian or gay, is at one of its highest levels ever. The truth is, dismissal over affectional orientation has, more often than not, been a tool of revenge. Want to get rid of someone you don't like? Go to your C.O. and tell him (or her) that so-and-so made a pass at you. Or if a woman rebuffs the advances of a male member of the military, she's branded "lesbian."   Not PipeChat material, to be certain, but any perpetuation of injustice, bigotry and prejudice, especially under the veil of humor, cannot be simply ignored.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:04:13 -0400   At 12:50 PM 7/2/98 -0400, you wrote:   >Not PipeChat material, to be certain, but any perpetuation of injustice, >bigotry and prejudice, especially under the veil of humor, cannot be simply >ignored. > >Ken Sybesma   It most certainly is NOT! Can we get off this topic right away, what gays, or straights do is their own business, and has no place in this list.   Can we quit it right now? Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> http://www.greenford.demon.co.uk/bob/   Classics Director CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz Radio Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 CANADA        
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:22:44 EDT     Exactly, my point is, this is way off the topic... This is an organ discussion list... It has nothing to do with playing the organ... Let me put it less offensively. I'm an organist... I collect stamps... Can I discuss stamp collecting on this list because I'm an organist ?   -- Ed  
(back) Subject: Organists in life - Followup From: <Picander@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:28:45 EDT     Dear Listers,   This was not meant to be a humorous thread, not a gay-bashing thread, not in the slightest! I had thought I had worded my question in the most non-inflammatory way possible. Is the subject so unbroachable? Jeez!   Every once in a while, when chatting with friends, and we are talking about my career as an organist, the subject comes up that a lot (or almost all) organists tend to be gay. As a matter of fact I am the only "straight" organist I know in this metropolitan area, other than a few older men in their 60's who are married. I know no straight organist in their 20's, 30's or 40's.   Well to the uninitiated this sounds like pure homophobery, which I assure you is not the case; as far as I'm concerned equal political rights is fine for everybody regardless of sexual preference. But if someone insists on DATA to back up a "PERCEIVED" ratio then I am at a loss and must be branded a "homophobe" and a gaybasher simply for observing reality for the past 20 years.   I was just wondering if there was some statistical analysis either by say, a Gay Pride group, or conversely by some kind of Anti-Gay group, any kind of information other than just my personal obervation ... the only thing on paper that I know of is the "AIDS" statement recently added to the AGO Code (no other disease specifically mentioned) and the endless AIDS obituaries in the TAO ... but God Almighty, what a can of worms that would ignite!!   You are correct that this has not as much to do with organ music, but please, it is definitely part of the culture. With all the tripe that usually comes out of this list, can't I ask a serious question once in two years?   Brent Peterson Phoenix, Arizona      
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: <Picander@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:31:52 EDT   In a message dated 98-07-02 13:24:41 EDT, you write:   > > Exactly, my point is, this is way off the topic... This is an organ > discussion list... It has nothing to do with playing the organ... Let > me > put it less offensively. I'm an organist... I collect stamps... Can I > discuss stamp collecting on this list because I'm an organist ? >   Good, no more discussions about trains, vacations, the usual non- organic chat. I'm all for it!   BP  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: <GHamil9709@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:02:08 EDT   In a message dated 7/2/98 11:02:13 AM US Eastern Standard Time, haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de writes:   << >> There certainly are straight organists. I have met both of them. > >There are two now? Wow, the recruitment campaign is finally paying off. > >>   I knew that there was ONE (me) but now I'm wondering who the other one might be!   Gene Hamilton  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:08:51 -0400   At 09:24 AM 7/2/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/2/98 5:38:26 AM Central Daylight Time, Picander@aol.com >writes: > ><< Are there any online resources or surveys in regard to > organists as gay vs. straight? >> > >The better question would be: Who isn't? :-) >   There are MANY organists who are NOT---FYI---don't assume---it will get you in trouble every time.   djb    
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:11:27 -0400   At 10:37 AM 7/2/98 EDT, you wrote: >There certainly are straight organists. I have met both of them.   No you haven't! :)   djb    
(back) Subject: Re: Another one.... From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:12:10 -0400   At 11:31 PM 7/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >Wouldn't have any professional recordings out would ya? > >John >   May I ask to whom this question was directed?? :)   djb    
(back) Subject: RE: Organists in life - Followup From: "Vox Celeste" <voxceleste@mailexcite.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:23:19 -0700   <Picander@aol.com> wrote:     >As a matter of fact I am the only "straight" organist I know in this metropolitan >area, other than a few older men in their 60's who are married. >I know no straight organist in their 20's, 30's or 40's.     It's not only the men, you know. These are the days of equal opportunity for women.   Research projects aside, WHO REALLY CARES? Are we going to listen to organ music or have sex?   Sincerely,   Vox Celeste (an old Fag-Hag from way back)     Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Best Bach Collections From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 15:20:22 -0500   Recently, Jenny wrote in asking about which Bach collection is best. At least, I think it was her. I don't remember the conclusions of this august assembly, but I just ran across a fairly exhaustive article on just that topic in last month's issue of The American Organist, in the "Dear Uncle Max" column.   Hope this helps somebody.   \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: "Thomas Haubrich" <haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:07:28 +0200   The other one that's me!!!   Thomas      
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: <ROBIN88866@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:38:51 EDT   In a message dated 98-07-02 09:26:40 EDT, you write:   << << Are there any online resources or surveys in regard to organists as gay vs. straight? >> The better question would be: Who isn't? :-) >>   LOTS OF US!!!!!!!!!!!!   Robin  
(back) Subject: Re: Another one.... From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:02:42 -0400   Hi Shirley and fellow listers,   It never ceases to amaze me what is requested for weddings, funerals, etc. In the past, I have been requested to play `Begin the Beguine' for a large funeral in an Episcopal Cathedral and, the `Theme from Amos and Andy' for a wedding in a large Community Church. Maybe we should publish a list of these so-called `relics'. `Inquiring minds want to know.'   Bonnie Beth Derby orge@dreamscape.com   ---------- > From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com>   > I'm playing a funeral tomorrow. > They want: > Tie a Yellow Ribbon 'Round the Ole Oak Tree!!!!!!!   --Shirley > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: What a find! From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:31:51 -0400   To Will, and seekers of old recordings,   Unfortunately I was unable to attend the OHS Convention in Denver and missed the lecture by Tom Murray. However, I can certainly understand the great feeling that one gets upon finding a great old recording. I recently bought 4 boxes of old LPs and found that they contained five LPs from `The First International Congress of Organists' held in London, England, during the summer of 1957. Also included: 14 volumes of `The King of Instruments' series; a number of Virgil Fox LPs; two LPs of `Music for the Organ' from M.P. Moeller; Catherine Crozier playing French Organ Music at Methuen; Organ Roll recordings by Lynwood Farnam, Max Reger, and Eugene Gigout; a number of Richard Ellsasser LPs, Clarence Watters LPs, E. Power Biggs recordings, and Louis Vierne playing at Notre Dame - to name a few. All this, for $200! Yes indeed, what a find!   Regards,   Bonnie Beth Derby orge@dreamscape.com ---------- From: W. Scarboro Subject: What a find!     I was going through some old records today in a local thrift shop when I came across volume 8 of the King of Instruments series put out by the Aeolian-Skinner Company. This recording has Norman Coke-Jephcott playing the organ at St. John the Divine in New York City.   Sincerely,   Will Scarboro     ----------    
(back) Subject: Re: Transposing From: "Karen R. Clifton" <karencl@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:45:44 -0700   Vernon and anyone else: To improve your transposing skills, try my method. Start off with something fairly short and with simple harmony, like the Doxology, Happy Birthday, or Amazing Grace. Something you know very well from memory. Try to play it in all keys. When doing this, I usually start with C and move up and then down by fifths. Repeat it in each key until you get it right. As you get better at it, move on to hymns with more complicated chord progressions. When I do this exercise, which is fairly often, I usually use hymns. Sometimes, I just can't find the right chord and have to go back to the original key and count notes. I have found that this type of practice helps me a lot. Try it. Karen  
(back) Subject: Re: Sine Nomine From: "Karen R. Clifton" <karencl@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:07:57 -0700   Shirley and all: Sine Nomine is also my favorite for going out music at funerals. In the old, old, black Methodist Hymnal, there were two tunes for the "For All The Saints" words. The second tune was called Sarum and was across the page. Back then, the choir would sometimes sing the whole hymn as an anthem, alternating tunes, beginning and ending with Sine Nomine. This is how I do it at funerals. The Sarum tune is in E Flat, but it just goes back and forth from G to E Flat and back beautifully. You might try that if you can lay your hands on the Sarum tune. It isn't in the newest Methodist Hymnal. If you can't find it, I'll make a copy for you, or anybody else. Sarum was written by Joseph Barnby, 1838-1896. Karen  
(back) Subject: ADMIN POSTING - ALL READ From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:03:35 -0500   I guess you all figure that the "cats are away so the mice can play"!   We need to put an end to the "Organists in Life" topic IMMEDIATELY. It really falls outside of the guideline of this list and in NOT relavent to anything!! And anyone that has to have the "last word" on this topic after seeing this posting will be removed from the list ASAP!!!   Both Pete and I are trying to enjoy this AGO Convention so neither of us have been able to be on top of the the various topics as we normally are. I wish I had caught this one sooner.   David *******************   David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat      
(back) Subject: New CD Release: Felix Nowowiejski From: "Thomas Haubrich" <haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:14:44 +0200   Hi Organ folks!   If you are interested, here's the description of a brilliant new CD-box, that I bought today:   Musikverlag Darbringhaus+Grimm (MDG) Germany MDG 317 0757-2 (3 CD Box) Price in Germany: 49.95 DM (I think it's $29)     FELIX NOWOWIEJSKI (1877-1946) Complete Organ Symphonies op.45   (Symphonies Nos. 1-9)   Rudolf Innig, playing the newly restored SAUER-organ at Bremen Cathedral 100 stops, 4 manuals, restored in 1996   (If someone is interested, I could provide her/him with a link to the specification: mail me)   Those 9 organ symphonies by Nowowiejski, standing in the Widor-Guilmant-Vierne tradition on the one, and in the Rheinberger and Reger direction on the other hand, are absolute musical discoveries of first range. Rudolf Innig is a subtle, virtuoso player, who points out the highlights of this music and the wonderful Bremen cathedral organ.   The organ itself is a fine medium for that kind of romantically music, with multitudes of flutes and strings, powerful reeds and 32', brilliant and soft tierce-mixtures and wonderful solo stops, as the various 8' Flutes, the Vox Humana (in a own swell), and the Clarinet. The recording technique is adequate, pointing out the decent, but not-too-much reverb of the Cathedral. Sometimes, that organ sounds like one of your wonderful American or British romantic babies, with their full and warm sound.   The music is absolute worth to be played and heard, a mixture of the above mentioned styles and schools, mixed with Polish folk and Church songs, and Lisztian virtuoso elements.   This CD is a MUST for all romantic lovers, and for those organists, who want to increase their sort of repertoire. The organ works of Felix Nowowiejski are edited by the Frederic Chopin Academy in Warsaw (Polen/Polska) in 16 volumes, including the nine symphonies.   Best regards from a romanticist   Thomas Haubrich Organist Hermeskeil Protestant Church Mainz, Germany