PipeChat Digest #441 - Saturday, July 4, 1998
 
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  by "Jenny Moon" <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk>
Re: ADMIN POSTING - ALL READ
  by "Vernon Moeller" <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by "Adam and Christine Levin" <levins@westnet.com>
Re: Applause
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Poor Jen!!
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Applause
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Organists in life
  by "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net>
Re: Organists in life
  by "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net>
Re: Organists in life
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Organists in life
  by "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net>
Re: Organists in life - Followup
  by "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net>
Re: Organists in life << STOP IT!!!!
  by "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net>
Re: ADMIN POSTING - ALL READ
  by "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net>
Private Messages to the Whole List << STOP IT, TOO!!!!
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Organists in life << STOP IT!!!!
  by "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net>
Re: Organists in life << STOP IT!!!!
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net>
Re: Organists in life << STOP IT!!!!
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: ADMIN POSTING - ALL READ
  by <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
PRIVATE
  by <Shakehip@aol.com>
Re: PRIVATE (woops, sorry !)
  by <Shakehip@aol.com>
AGO Denver Finale
  by "Stephen F P Karr" <karrlist@scescape.net>
Re: ADMIN POSTING - ALL READ
  by "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net>
Re: << STOP IT!!!!
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
Re: PRIVATE
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
Gone for a While
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Ton Koopman
  by "Dave Pitzer" <dpitzer@sonic.net>
To those whom I have offended
  by <Picander@aol.com>
Re: << STOP IT!!!!
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
 


(back) Subject: From: Jenny Moon <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:38:41 BST     Hello lists.   I am leaving in about half an hour until the end of September. I therefore need to unsubscribe from all of these lists to avoid a full in box and bouncy messages. Typically, my internet searver has let me down and I can't access the web sites to do it. I can't remember the various unsubscribe messages and addresses. I would be grateful if the people in power could unsubscribe me.   Many thanks, and I look forward to catching up with the conversations in September.   Until then, Adios:(   Jenny Moon. <bfus7@central.sussex.ac.uk>      
(back) Subject: Re: ADMIN POSTING - ALL READ From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 09:22:37 -0500   David:   Aw, gee, youse guyz are no fun!   This was the first digest I've read cover to cover, and you went and spoiled it all! ;-)   But in all seriousness, I saw how that particular topic really hurt a lot of feelings on the "other" list, so I can understand how it should be avoided on this list. Thanks, David, for allowing us OT (off-topic) threads that don't run on too long, but protecting us from going where we probably shouldn't.   While I usually enjoy Brent's contributions to the list (although I do not always agree with his opinions), I think there are other less obtrusive ways to do such research. Surely, on an information resource as vast as the WWW, one could find out such information without taking on the guise of a pollster. It might take longer, but think of the hurt feelings that would be spared as a result.   I believe that the InterNet has become the dumping ground for many people's innermost thoughts and feelings. Because of the protective sense of anonymity, many people on the I'Net think they can say what they wish while totally disregarding the feelings of others. I'm not sure that this is what Brent had in mind. Since I believe this was his first misstep in this direction, let's just bury the hatchet and forget about it.   \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: Adam and Christine Levin <levins@westnet.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:47:15 -0400 (EDT)   On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Thomas Haubrich wrote: > >> There certainly are straight organists. I have met both of them. > >There are two now? Wow, the recruitment campaign is finally paying off. > >Ken Sybesma > Threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!   Off topic, I know, but, umm...four.   :)   -Adam   Rutherford, NJ USA Free speech online!_/ It is said that whosoever the gods http://westnet.com/~levins/ _______/ wish to destroy, they first make mad. <*> __________________________/ In fact...they first hand the equivalent of a -O / stick with a fizzing fuse and Acme Dynamite Company written on the side.    
(back) Subject: Re: Applause From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:30:42 EDT   In a message dated 6/30/98 1:06:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sesquialtera@hotmail.com writes:   << Too often our church choir completes a difficult or uplifting piece, and is met with dead silence from the congregation. Our pastor almost always acknowledges them with a kind compliment and thank-you >>   This seems a perfect place to retell something I posted to PipOrg-L perhaps a year ago. At the Anglican Cathedral in London, Ontario, where I served in the 60s as Organist and Choirmaster (actually, with the glorious title of Master of the Choristers!!), a much earlier dean of the cathedral used to signal his reaction to the choir's anthem thus: If he was unmoved, he would say "Let us pray." If he WAS moved, he would always say "Let us continue in prayer." Pretty subtle. He was the grandfather of George Norman Tucker, formerly of St. Luke's, Kalamazoo, who was at the OHS convention this year, by the way.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler N. P. Mander, Ltd - U. S. A. www.mander-organs.com  
(back) Subject: Poor Jen!! From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:59:14 -0400 (EDT)   >I am leaving in about half an hour until the end > of September.   Hmmm! Let's see..... that would be about midnight on the 30th of September. Seems to me that's no big hurry!   Just a gentle nudge to my list buddies; I find it very helpful to save these addresses and bookmark the homepages for easy access when nomail or unsubscribe becomes desirable. I am amazed at how many people try to do this by sending messages to everyone. And these folks want computerized combination action?????   o o o _____________________ o o o o o o _____bruce cornely_____ o o o o o o cremona84000@webtv.net o o o o o o ___ O a H g S o ___ o o o   All knowledge, the totality of all questions and all answers, is contained in the dog. --Franz Kafka    
(back) Subject: Re: Applause From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:37:48 -0400 (EDT)   ><< Too often our church choir completes a > difficult or uplifting piece, and is met with dead > silence from the congregation.   Silence (dead or otherwise) after a beautiful anthem, or anything for that matter, is rare and a blessing in church these days. Silence is golden, after all!   Come to think of it, I certainly could use a few "golden" sermons! hehehe   o o o _____________________ o o o o o o _____bruce cornely_____ o o o o o o cremona84000@webtv.net o o o o o o ___ O a H g S o ___ o o o   All knowledge, the totality of all questions and all answers, is contained in the dog. --Franz Kafka    
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 10:18:48 -0800   Well, you know, I was at a party last year when the ATOS convention was here in LA and all but one of the organists who played for the convention were there and every single one of them was gay. . . .so it is possible that there might be some little interest in teh subject, at least amongst the gay organists and organ fans on the list. . . . and if one does not want to read it, well why not just skip on by the message? You know, sort of like skipping over 'Bay Watch' on the TV in favor of 'Kids in the Hall'. . . whatever. . .   Morgan   Bob Conway wrote:   > At 12:50 PM 7/2/98 -0400, you wrote: > > >Not PipeChat material, to be certain, but any perpetuation of injustice, > >bigotry and prejudice, especially under the veil of humor, cannot be simply > >ignored. > > > >Ken Sybesma > > It most certainly is NOT! Can we get off this topic right away, what gays, > or straights do is their own business, and has no place in this list. > > Can we quit it right now? > Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> > > http://www.greenford.demon.co.uk/bob/ > > Classics Director > CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz > Radio Queen's University > Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 > CANADA > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 10:23:13 -0800   Or another way of looking at it. . . let's stop all discussion of what music should/should not be played at ceremonies which delve into the lives of straight people, ceremonies like weddings. . . . I for one think talking about the wedding of a man to a woman should be done in private, not in public -- it is between the two of them, for the purpose of producing a family through sexual liason and I think that should be a private.   Well actually, I don't think that at all. Telling straight peolpe to keep their love and affectional lives to themselves is like telling gay people to do that, which is not on as far as I am concerned.   So just skip on by 'Re: Organists in life' if it offends thee.   OK?    
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 13:21:04 -0400   DIE DIE DIE!   Geez, this thread has taken on a life of its own, even after the list owners requested an end to it. <<sigh>>   --Shirley     At 10:18 AM 7/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >Well, you know, I was at a party last year when the ATOS convention was here in >LA and all but one of the organists who played for the convention were there >and every single one of them was gay. . . .so it is possible that there might >be some little interest in teh subject, at least amongst the gay organists and >organ fans on the list. . . . and if one does not want to read it, well why >not just skip on by the message? You know, sort of like skipping over 'Bay >Watch' on the TV in favor of 'Kids in the Hall'. . . whatever. . . > >Morgan > >Bob Conway wrote: > >> At 12:50 PM 7/2/98 -0400, you wrote: >> >> >Not PipeChat material, to be certain, but any perpetuation of injustice, >> >bigotry and prejudice, especially under the veil of humor, cannot be simply >> >ignored. >> > >> >Ken Sybesma >> >> It most certainly is NOT! Can we get off this topic right away, what gays, >> or straights do is their own business, and has no place in this list. >> >> Can we quit it right now? >> Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> >> >> http://www.greenford.demon.co.uk/bob/ >> >> Classics Director >> CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz >> Radio Queen's University >> Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 >> CANADA >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   ***********************************************************   A friend is someone who knows the song in your heart and sings it back to you when you have forgotten how it goes.   ************************************************************  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life From: "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 10:25:19 -0800   If you had noticed that a very large percentage of organists were also stamp collectors, then it would be appropriate to note that here, I should think. . . ..   Shakehip@aol.com wrote:   > Exactly, my point is, this is way off the topic... This is an organ > discussion list... It has nothing to do with playing the organ... Let me > put it less offensively. I'm an organist... I collect stamps... Can I > discuss stamp collecting on this list because I'm an organist ? > > -- Ed        
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life - Followup From: "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 10:30:26 -0800   Well, I for one care, in a way similar to how I care abou tfinding out an organist is from my home town or went to my school, or is (possibly) available as a partner in life. . . .    
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life << STOP IT!!!! From: Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 09:33:45 -0700   David has politely asked we stop this thread!! Can some of you not *read*??   Sheesh .. what's *with* some of you?   Ron Yost, Paso Robles, Calif. Hoping my friends here have a wonderful 4th !! :)  
(back) Subject: Re: ADMIN POSTING - ALL READ From: "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 10:39:11 -0800   FYI, yours is a homophobic reaction. This topic is of considerably more interest to many of the participants on this list than the endless trivia that OFTEN appears here and that is wholly unrelated to organs, organists and organ fans.   You must surely be aware that the vast majority of well known organists, certainly those in the theater organ world are gay. To suggest that this thread is inappropriate, especially when un-interested readers can skip over it, is not exercising reasonable control of the list.   If you are really insistant that this thread stop, then would you please suggest to the members that if they are going to send mail about how their dog or cat reacts to a particular composition played on the organ they should include 'not relevant to this list' in their subject line. I am not one of them, but I bet there are many on this list who do not like pets, don't want to hear about pets, and do not want to hear about the affection their owners have for them. . . .they may think that sort of thing should be kept behind closed closet doors. . . .   That's just my opinion. . . .   And if this warrants removing my name from your list, so be it. . . . and please don't ask to come to concerts at my house.   Regards, Morgan       David Scribner wrote:   > I guess you all figure that the "cats are away so the mice can play"! > > We need to put an end to the "Organists in Life" topic IMMEDIATELY. It > really falls outside of the guideline of this list and in NOT relavent to > anything!! And anyone that has to have the "last word" on this topic after > seeing this posting will be removed from the list ASAP!!! > > Both Pete and I are trying to enjoy this AGO Convention so neither of us > have been able to be on top of the the various topics as we normally are. > I wish I had caught this one sooner. > > David > ******************* > > David Scribner > Co-Owner / Technical Administrator > PipeChat > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Private Messages to the Whole List << STOP IT, TOO!!!! From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 13:42:27 -0400   Ron Yost wrote:   > David has politely asked we stop this thread!! > Can some of you not *read*?? > > Sheesh .. what's *with* some of you?   Sheesh, what's with people who can't distinguish between the list address and an individual's address -- why do we ALL have to read this message, which should have been directed to the INDIVIDUAL. This happens all too often on the lists. Perhaps some kind of fee needs to be assessed for each message sent; because it costs the same (nothing) to send the message to everyone as to just a single person, aw what the heck, let's just send it to everyone.   Quit reprimanding the whole class for the actions of a single person.   Sheesh, again! And if you don't like something, just ignore it.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life << STOP IT!!!! From: "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 11:16:27 -0800   I guess it's just that SOME of us have trouble with being told what is and is not of interest to us. . . .   Sheesh, can't you just skip on to the OTHER messages???? I mean, I am will to skip messages that *I* don't have an interest in. . . .   Morgan   Ron Yost wrote:   > David has politely asked we stop this thread!! > Can some of you not *read*?? > > Sheesh .. what's *with* some of you? > > Ron Yost, Paso Robles, Calif. > Hoping my friends here have a wonderful 4th !! :) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life << STOP IT!!!! From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:17:25 -0400   Getting V E R Y close to unsubscribing...   TC - where Florida is providing plenty HOT enough air just now...      
(back) Subject: Re: Organists in life << STOP IT!!!! From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 14:24:39 -0400   Terry Charles wrote:   > Getting V E R Y close to unsubscribing...   Who cares?   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: ADMIN POSTING - ALL READ From: <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:07:37 EDT   In a message dated 7/3/98 12:40:07 PM Central Daylight Time, morganm@pacbell.net writes:   > And if this warrants removing my name from your list, so be it.   Here, Here... while I agree with the owner's right to remove anyone from this list and in fact agree strongly with David's comments on the inappropriateness of the recent posts under the title "Organists in Life", I tire of the constant admonishments from ALL of the list owners (usually accompanied by a banishment threat).   In the Fire Service we have long learned that if there is a problem, you go to the source of the problem - don't shotgun the entire department with threats of "disciplinary action". I believe that this approach would also be welcomed by the members of the various organ lists. A simple server flagged rejection of messages with disruptive titles, and a PRIVATE reminder to the poster would be much more appropriate.   This post will likely result in my banishment as well, but its time for a self-assessment of the benefits of list membership anyway! Quite frankly I have a life and somehow will survive quite well without Pipeorg-L, Pipechat-L, Eorg-l, Hamtech-L or whatever. After all, tomorrow is INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!!   In fact, perhaps we all need to take a "voluntary unsubscribe vacation" for the next 60-90 days and self-contemplate something of a more serious nature . .. . like the real reasons our believed pipe organs continue to decline!   Best wishes, Bob Acker    
(back) Subject: PRIVATE From: <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:13:13 EDT   Try sending a message to LISTSERVE with UNSUBSCRIBE as the subject line....   - - Ed  
(back) Subject: Re: PRIVATE (woops, sorry !) From: <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:22:25 EDT   Sorry... that posting was for Jenny... not a general invitation for everyone to unsubscribe !  
(back) Subject: AGO Denver Finale From: Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:54:08 -0300 (EST)   My esteemed colleagues-   I have inadvertantly trashed both copies of Mr. Scribner's description of the final program at AGO Denver. If anyone who has it could forward it to me, I'd be very grateful. Also, could someone tell me who got into the finals in the NYACOP, and who won? It may have come over the list, but I didn't see it (I've been delete-happy lately).   Thanks,   -Stephen    
(back) Subject: Re: ADMIN POSTING - ALL READ From: "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 13:28:18 -0800   An excellent commentary!    
(back) Subject: Re: << STOP IT!!!! From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 16:35:03 -0400   At 02:24 PM 7/3/98 -0400, you wrote: >Terry Charles wrote: > >> Getting V E R Y close to unsubscribing... > >Who cares? > >Ken Sybesma   There are quite a few people who would care. Terry contributes often and well to the forum, IMHO.   djb    
(back) Subject: Re: PRIVATE From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 16:36:24 -0400   At 03:13 PM 7/3/98 EDT, you wrote: >Try sending a message to LISTSERVE with UNSUBSCRIBE as the subject line.... > >- - Ed > >   This is not a listserv mailing list so it would obviously not work.   djb    
(back) Subject: Gone for a While From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:15:59 -0400 (EDT)     Gone for some weeks. Keep up a good discussion.   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Ton Koopman From: Dave Pitzer <dpitzer@sonic.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 13:15:34 -0700     Concerning the Ton Koopman/Bach series:   I agree with Thomas Haubrich (that Koopman's playing is exciting). Theses recordings are available here in the US under the Novalis label. To date, I believe there are 6 volumes, although Mr. Haubrich mentions a Volume 7. (I'll have to check, I may be a volume behind!!)   I would particularly like to call attention to Volume 4 of this series, recorded on the well-known "Trinity" (Dreifaltigkeit) organ at Ottobeuren. If I could only have a single volume of Mr. Koopman's set, this would be the one. It contains a number of my favorite Bach pieces and might be the kind of gift you would select for someone to whom you wished to introduce the organ music of Bach.   As to Mr. Koopman's playing, the "O Lammes Gottes" (BWV 656, #6 from "the 18") is typical. I can think of few other readings that emphasize the "3-part" (3 verse) nature of this rather esoteric chorale prelude as well. Mr. Koopman's ornamentsin the 3rd verse are particularly interesting -- and, to me, pleasing.   Dave Pitzer        
(back) Subject: To those whom I have offended From: <Picander@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:01:20 EDT     To those listers whom I have offended, I apologize. It was not my intent to cause hurt feelings, and certainly not to create a thread that has inflamed people against each other. I certainly have no animosity toward anybody (of any persuasion). And I was not conducting a poll, I was asking if there were existing data. However, I should have realized that such a subject would be considered volatile by many and amusing by others. If I could turn the clock back two days I would not have sent the post, having seen the outrage and dissent it has caused. I ask the list owner to not terminate membership of any listers and I ask the listers to accept my apology and not post any more concerning it.   Brent Peterson Organist and Director of Music First Congregational Church Tempe, Arizona .    
(back) Subject: Re: << STOP IT!!!! From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 03:03:00 -0400   danbel@earthlink.net wrote:   > There are quite a few people who would care. Terry contributes often > andwell to the forum, IMHO.   False humility aside, not to mention the hyperbolic attempt to magnify the voice of a committee of one into "quite a few people," who really cares if a particular individual subscribes or unsubscribes. Who cares if Dan Bellomy is subscribed? or Ken Sybesma? or Terry Charles? This list does not succeed or fail on any single person's contributions, no matter the size of the particular ego involved.   Ken Sybesma