PipeChat Digest #456 - Saturday, July 18, 1998
Robert Morton Help
  by "Lee Catlett" <lee@bitwiseinc.com>
Re: where is everyone?
  by <ROBIN88866@aol.com>
Re: Robert Morton Help
  by <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Apology - Private Post
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Re: Robert Morton Help
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: Robert Morton Help
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
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Old Kilgen books and brochures......
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
The Organ Web Ring
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@swbell.net>
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>

(back) Subject: Robert Morton Help From: Lee Catlett <lee@bitwiseinc.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:33:57 -0400   Hi, I'm in the beginning stages of dragging my 2/9 Robert Morton out of storage and finally seeing what it sounds like and I need some experienced soul to answer a few questions. Since I'm about to break ground on the chambers, can anyone give me their ideas on chamber size and any suggestions they would recommend before I go and do something stupid. I'm think of building a 12x24 divided into two chambers that will speak into a room about 20x20. I know I'll have to keep the swell area small so I don't get blown out of the room but does anyone know of any formulas (if they exist) to estimate size. Any recommendations greately appreciated. Also if anyone know of spare parts, that would be great also. I've been out of touch with theTO crowd for a number of years so don't know who's who any more.   Regards,   Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: where is everyone? From: <ROBIN88866@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:42:40 EDT   In a message dated 98-07-17 01:43:47 EDT, you write:   << No, everybody is over at PIPORG-L at the moment, talking about how to make pipe organs sound like Hammonds; or at EORG-L badmouthing the PIPORG-L folk for hating non-pipe organs. >>     Sad, but true!   Robin  
(back) Subject: Re: Robert Morton Help From: <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:05:33 EDT   In a message dated 7/17/98 7:35:29 AM Central Daylight Time, lee@bitwiseinc.com writes:   > I'm in the beginning stages of dragging my 2/9 Robert Morton out of > storage and finally seeing what it sounds like and I need some > experienced soul to answer a few questions.   Best of luck on your project! I am on the maintenance commitee for the Dallas Lakewood Theatre 3/8 Robert Morton which is probably pretty comparable in size to yours. We are in the process of dividing a "behind the screen" single chamber into two chambers with a combined width of at least 40' ! ! ! Those old Mortons were much bigger installed than their Wurlitzer counterparts. I can get you exact chamber dimensions this weekend if you like.   As to chambers, those who know (or at least think they do!) say wide and shallow chambers speak better than deep chambers. Additionally, most people now say that the successful home installations usually have some sort of sound tunnel or mixing hall so that the chambers DO NOT open directly out into the performance room of the house. Often a fake wall or even chambers on a different elevation are used to achieve this effect.   As to you Morton, when you have the console out, I would love to ask you some questions about stop tab colorings (you may have seen our recent posts) IF yours is still factory original. Also is your ninth rank a Clarinet?   Again, best wishes for success in your project!   Bob Acker Allen, TX  
(back) Subject: Apology - Private Post From: <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:14:17 EDT   Apologies for my private reply to Lee going to the entire list! One more time the Pipechat "REPLY TO LIST" feature nailed me!   Bob  
(back) Subject: Re: Robert Morton Help From: <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:18:23 EDT   Lee,   Count on about 15 to 25 square feet for each rank of pipes. You have left about 32 per rank, so it looks like you're just fine.   Since you have plenty of space, and since the organ will be SOOOO loud in that area, why not use two sets of swell shades for each chamber, or at least provide room for adding the second set later. I would also suggest offsetting them like this:   B |========/ / / / / / / /=|=\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \========| A |=\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \========|========/ / / / / / / /=|   with about 30-36 inches between the two walls. That will provide a "mixing area" for the sound, as well as a little access for servicing. Bill Brown did this in his Phoenix home with his Wurlitzer to great effect. Also you should provide console controls for set A and set B. Bill found, if I remember correctly, that closing set B and using only set A for practicing while others were in the house really made for a lot more peace between partners. LOL. Actually, the first time I heard the organ with this setup, it sounded just fine, not too loud, and not muffled at all.   We in the North Texas Chapter-ATOS are refurbishing our 3/8 Robert Morton, perhaps adding about 5 ranks, and electrocuting the console. I'd love to read the proposed stoplist for your 2/9, once you get it together.   I hope this helps. Regards, Danny Ray, Dallas ComposerTX@AOL.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Robert Morton Help From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:44:51 -0400 (EDT)   Lee, I'm not a TO person, but my recommendation would be to determine how much room you need to accommodate the chests, pipes and other mechanism, and then design and build the chamber to be slightly larger to allow for movement within for service and tuning. My understanding of chambers is that they should be "compact" so as to quickly mix and blend, and then project the sound into your "auditorium. My only innovation would be to install some type of sliding door/wall between the shutters and the listeners so that you can adjust the amount of sound getting into the room from the chamber while still allowing full use of the swell shades. I guess this could also be done with drapes, but the hard doors would not deaden the room as would fabric. It is critical to consider maintenance in the design of a chamber and installation of goodies therein. Maintenance can be fun, but only if it does not result in disfigurement or bruising! Keep us posted.   :~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~: o o o _____bruce cornely_____ o o o o o o cremona84000@webtv.net o o o o o o ___ O a H g S o ___ o o o   He wa'n't no common dog, he wa'n't no mongrel; he was a composite. A composite dog is a dog that's made up of all the valuable qualities that's in the dog breed-- kind of a syndicate; and a mongrel's made up of all the riffraff that's left over." --Mark Twain    
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(back) Subject: Old Kilgen books and brochures...... From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:34:28 EDT   Does anyone have any such items that they might be willing to part with or sell?   If so, please contact me as soon as possible.   Thanks so much!   Scott F. FOppiano  
(back) Subject: The Organ Web Ring From: Brent Johnson <bmjohns@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:59:39 -0500   I'd like to again share with all of you the Organ Web Ring. The Organ Web Ring is a link from one organ site to another, helping to tie sites together, and to make finding organ information on the web easier. There are 50 different excellent web sites a part of this project now. If you would like to see some of these sites visit http://home.swbell.net/bmjohns/organ.htm   For more information, or to place your organ related web site on the web ring, visit http://home.swbell.net/bmjohns/organ1.htm   Brent Johnson http://home.swbell.net/bmjohns      
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