PipeChat Digest #461 - Thursday, July 23, 1998
 
theatre organs/
  by "Ruth" <theraven@istar.ca>
Re: theatre organs/back
  by "pianoman" <pianoman@inlink.com>
Re: theatre organs/
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
SanF: Re: Over the Top and Larsen's Professionalism
  by <TonyIn219@aol.com>
Re: theatre organs/
  by "Mike Langford" <mike5@indian-creek.net>
Re: theatre organs/
  by "Mike Langford" <mike5@indian-creek.net>
Contemporary Hymnal
  by "Bob Nickel" <rnickel@itol.com>
Re: Contemporary Hymnal
  by "John F. Crowley" <jfjc@juno.com>
Re: Lack of Interest
  by "John F. Crowley" <jfjc@juno.com>
changing with the times
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
I'm not dead, and Lemare's Memo
  by "W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net>
Re: Lack of Interest
  by "Emily D. Woods" <sesquialtera@hotmail.com>
Re: changing with the times
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Lack of Interest
  by <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: theatre organs/ From: Ruth <theraven@istar.ca> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:43:14 -0400     From:James H. H. Lampert   Simply put (again, NOTHING PERSONAL!), sobbing, syrupy tibias and trems you could drive an aircraft carrier through, just don't work for the sorts of music most people like to listen to, these days. But James H. H. Lampert   Just a very silly question, I guess, but... With so many beautiful organs, and so many talented organists out there in the "theatre organ world", could they not find the music to play that young and old people would love to listen to today?????   Its great watching ,and listening to , a theatre organist. Maybe if they all changed with the times, then the theatre organs would again become very popular???     Just a thought, Ruth      
(back) Subject: Re: theatre organs/back From: "pianoman" <pianoman@inlink.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:43:51 -0500   Hi Ruth, Did you ever live in St. Louis? James Grebe R.P.T. of the P.T.G. from St. Louis, MO. USA, Earth Piano Service and Piano Periperals Creator of Hardwood PLTR's and Custom Piano Benches pianoman@inlink.com If I wake up in the morning, it WILL be a great day!   ---------- > From: Ruth <theraven@istar.ca> > To: Pipechat (E-mail) <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: theatre organs/ > Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 5:43 AM > > > From:James H. H. Lampert > > Simply put (again, NOTHING PERSONAL!), sobbing, syrupy tibias and trems > you could drive an aircraft carrier through, just don't work for the > sorts of music most people like to listen to, these days. But James H. H. Lampert > > Just a very silly question, I guess, but... With so many beautiful organs, and so many > talented organists out there in the "theatre organ world", could they not find the music > to play that young and old people would love to listen to today????? > > Its great watching ,and listening to , a theatre organist. Maybe if they all changed with the times, then > the theatre organs would again become very popular??? > > > Just a thought, > Ruth > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: theatre organs/ From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:08:14 -0400   At 06:43 AM 7/22/98 -0400, Ruth wrote:   >Its great watching ,and listening to , a theatre organist. Maybe if they all changed with the times, then >the theatre organs would again become very popular???   I think that it is valid to say that any musician would/should change (to some extent) "with the times." I guess the question is, WHAT is "with the times?"   Also, I would ask this. Why is it not feasable that the "church organist" --the "classical organist" or whatever should ALSO change with the times??? This would relate to attitude toward modernization of instruments (electronics, midi) and all the other so called "modernizations" that so many on these lists resist so strongly?   Seems that what good for one would be good for the other.   djb    
(back) Subject: SanF: Re: Over the Top and Larsen's Professionalism From: <TonyIn219@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:22:57 EDT   I agree that the SanFilippo's home, collections and presentations are "over the top." The whole thing hits you in the face and continues to assault the senses throughout the program. But it's no facade. This home is truly filled with fully functional, completely restored musical antiques, so if anything it's a first-class assault on the senses.   As for Lyn Larsen's performance, registrations etc., they were indeed superb. The thing I like most about Lyn is that he combines flawless musicianship with a diabolically funny sense of humor, a quick wit and an obvious, flourishing showmanship that he himself admitted to several times.   It IS possible to have immense talent and superb showmanship in the same  
(back) Subject: Re: theatre organs/ From: Mike Langford <mike5@indian-creek.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:49:03 EST   Ummm, I'm not sure I can agree with this; unless, of course, you're limiting your survey to the under 50 crowd:) Mike At 06:43 AM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote: > > From:James H. H. Lampert > >Simply put (again, NOTHING PERSONAL!), sobbing, syrupy tibias and trems >you could drive an aircraft carrier through, just don't work for the >sorts of music most people like to listen to, these days. But James H. H. Lampert > >Just a very silly question, I guess, but... With so many beautiful organs, and so many >talented organists out there in the "theatre organ world", could they not find the music >to play that young and old people would love to listen to today????? > >Its great watching ,and listening to , a theatre organist. Maybe if they all changed with the times, then >the theatre organs would again become very popular??? > > >Just a thought, >Ruth > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: theatre organs/ From: Mike Langford <mike5@indian-creek.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:54:47 EST   Speaking from personal experience, as I the last year have gone through the "changing with the times" thing at my church when they decided they wanted to replace the old electronic organ (Hammond) with a new Baldwin digital piano (Pianovelle), the congregation seems to hold the key. The new "beast" continues to enchant them and drive me crazy but I'm giving it my best shot, including writing music for the new instrument to show it off. How else could I honestly have an opinion on the matter? :). I still make use of the Baldwin grand on a very regular basis, however. Mike   At 08:08 AM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >At 06:43 AM 7/22/98 -0400, Ruth wrote: > >>Its great watching ,and listening to , a theatre organist. Maybe if they >all changed with the times, then >>the theatre organs would again become very popular??? > >I think that it is valid to say that any musician would/should change (to >some extent) "with the times." I guess the question is, WHAT is "with the >times?" > >Also, I would ask this. Why is it not feasable that the "church organist" >--the "classical organist" or whatever should ALSO change with the times??? > This would relate to attitude toward modernization of instruments >(electronics, midi) and all the other so called "modernizations" that so >many on these lists resist so strongly? > >Seems that what good for one would be good for the other. > >djb > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Contemporary Hymnal From: Bob Nickel <rnickel@itol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:24:23 -0500   Probably an unrelated post, but I need some help.   We in the Moravian Church are fortunate to have a new hymnal at our disposal. However, there is always the cry for "more contemporary things, please." Does anyone know of a good worship book that offers decent contemporary music? I've reviewed RENEW from Hope Publishing. It's a good book for blended worship; however, a good portion of the book contains traditional hymnody. We don't need that as we already have a wonderful selection in the MORAVIAN BOOK OF WORSHIP.   Anyone help please (privately)? And, let's not get into a discussion of contemporary vs. traditional hymnody, etc. I'm not interested in reading anything on that. I just want suggestions on good worship resources.   Thanks.   Bob Nickel    
(back) Subject: Re: Contemporary Hymnal From: jfjc@juno.com (John F. Crowley) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:22:39 -0500   Oregon Catholic press has several excellent contemporary hymnals   You can reach their customer servive at: 1-800-Liturgy (548-8749) Website: http://www.ocp.org   Hope this helps.   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Lack of Interest From: jfjc@juno.com (John F. Crowley) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:10:56 -0500   Dear Emily:   I believe I was refering to the lack of interest in pipe organs by theater management. We have a very beautiful 4/36 Wurlitzer here in the Fox Theater that just sits and sleeps. In general, there are theaters who still house their original organs and unfortuantely they just sit idle.   If I remember correctly, no rference was made to organs used in churches. I have been playing one for over eight years now.   And as far as some organists being "stuck on themselves", I have unfortunately have hat the misfortune of meeting several. As for myself, i have never had any trouble sharing knowledge or helpful hints, showing some one how to do a particluar thing while playing, etc. I have had excellent teachers that have taught me alot that I didn't know and I have never been afraid to share any of that knowledge.   Good luck with youtr lessons.   John   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: changing with the times From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:21:09 -0400 (EDT)     >I think that it is valid to say that any musician > would/should change (to some extent) "with > the times." I guess the question is, WHAT is > "with the times?" One must consider "the times" before deciding to change to accommodate them. We are now living in a society which places very little value on religion. Is this a change worth embracing? We are now living in a society which seems to place more value on expedience than quality. Is this a change worth embracing? We are now living in a society which operates on greed and opulence -- bigger is better. Is this a change worth embracing? There are many aspects of change relative to the society we live in that must be considered. Are the changes worth the sacrifice of integrity and self-respect? Are the changes for what is new worth discarding what is old? Have these changes been previously tried in another form with unsuccessful results? We live in a society which advocates drug use to enhance performance, alleviate problems, and heighten experiences for recreation. This society also advocates activities that are harmful to our bodies -- smoking, drinking, drugs, excessively loud noise/music. Consider the motivation for these changes with the times.   >Also, I would ask this. Why is it not feasable > that the "church organist" --the "classical > organist" or whatever should ALSO change > with the times??? >This would relate to attitude toward > modernization of instruments (electronics, > midi) and all the other so called > "modernizations" that so many on these lists > resist so strongly? It would be perfectly feasible and advantageous for organists to change and be current with the times, IF there was something good to change with. Most modern music is ugly and banal, not to mention too long and aimless. If we embrace this, we are sanctioning it. Modernizing instruments for the sake of modernizing instruments is detrimental to the instruments themselves. The more the design of an instrument is compromised, the less design is apparent. This is not to say that all additions/modernization is wrong. Two good examples are the Washington Cathedral and Mormon Tabernacle organs. I am not that familiar with theatre organs, but would assume from their similarity of design to the above that additions/modernization could be made without significant compromise to the instrument. Mechanical action organs are a different story, since they are essentially created as an entity: mechanical placement, case design, stop relationships and voicing. Organs have lost popularity as they have lost integrity. As organists have become more interested in playing the machinery that the instrument, playing becomes less enjoyable and musical. Those of on the list who resist these changes do so because we see the effects of those changes on previously wonderful instruments which have been seriously or badly altered, or even discarded and destroyed for the sake of change. Many of the instruments which replaced fine instruments have now been discarded because they have found to be of little value. This is proof that many people fail to see because they are impressed with the new instruments which now replace the previously new instruments. There are also those people who want a large impressive console and a loud, impressive volume of sound regardless of the actual cost: integrity. There are always people who are powered by "the winds of doctrine" and who blindly and selfishly sail through life piling as much superficial cargo on board as possible. Jump on the boat if you wish; it is to your own perile. There are places in my life where I have had to compromise in order to survive, and there will always be those places for everyone. I don't claim to be perfect, but I have set my priorities and there are compromises that I find unacceptable.   :~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~: o o o _____bruce cornely_____ o o o o o o cremona84000@webtv.net o o o o o o ___ O a H g S o ___ o o o   At thieves I bark'd, at lovers wagg'd my tail, And thus I pleased both Lord and Lady Frail. --John Wilkes    
(back) Subject: I'm not dead, and Lemare's Memo From: "W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:53:21 -0400     Howdy!   Let me first say for those of you who may have wondered where I was that I was and am now not dead. I have been and will continue to be alive until I am dead and no longer living. (What did he say?) My computer was having some health problems and I was forced off the world wide organ scene.   I was suprised that there wasn't more said about the Lemare memo that I posted. Its not every day that an organ builder gets a letter from an organist that basically says, "rebuild the whole organ." Also lets get it straight that he was ENGLISH and NOT FRENCH. His name should be spelled LemaRE not LemaIR.   I heard somthing about a warehouse fire, could some one fill me in.   And now a smile:>) (as printed in a church bulletin) Today's Sermon: HOW MUCH CAN A MAN DRINK? with hymns from a full choir.     Offertory: "Jesus Paid it All"   Don't let worry kill you off -- let the church help.     Sincerely,   Will Scarboro    
(back) Subject: Re: Lack of Interest From: "Emily D. Woods" <sesquialtera@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:19:37 PDT         >I believe I was refering to the lack of interest in pipe organs by >theater management.   That may be so, Mr. Crowley. However, I was replying to a message from, I think his name was Robert Cowley. He was talking about the decline of the organ world in general, or something to that effect. I have no first-hand knowledge of theatre management, and would not have commented on the subject. It is entirely possible that I haven't even made it to the above-mentioned message; I've got about 450 emails backed up from the past 8 days or so! :)   >And as far as some organists being "stuck on themselves", I have >unfortunately have hat the misfortune of meeting several. As for >myself, i have never had any trouble sharing knowledge or helpful >hints, showing some one how to do a particluar thing while playing, >etc. I have had excellent teachers that have taught me alot that I >didn't know and I have never been afraid to share any of that >knowledge.   That's great news; I know there are plenty of helpful organists out there who enjoy sharing knowledge with up-and-coming beginners. Teachers seem to be much more open and helpful than professionals, though.   >Good luck with youtr lessons.   Thank you, sir.     Best regards from one who never aims to offend anyone,   Emily D. Woods     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: changing with the times From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:31:03 -0400 (EDT)   Oops! Missed one of the important, and contrasting changes, that being: smaller and cheaper is best!   :~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~: o o o _____bruce cornely_____ o o o o o o cremona84000@webtv.net o o o o o o ___ O a H g S o ___ o o o   At thieves I bark'd, at lovers wagg'd my tail, And thus I pleased both Lord and Lady Frail. --John Wilkes    
(back) Subject: Re: Lack of Interest From: <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:33:19 EDT   << And as far as some organists being "stuck on themselves", I have unfortunately have hat the misfortune of meeting several. As for >>   Maybe it is, at least in some cases, that person's reaction to circumstances. I just finished a three-year stint at an extremely *difficult* religious institution. It took all I could do to act professionally. Due to the constant battling, etc. I was a rather different organist/choir director than I usually am, when at a more hospitable place. Another example might be the well-known lister who recently gave up a job at a church with a truly ridiculous Canadian organ, for a church with an outstanding vintage instrument. There is little doubt that, given the more-favorable conditions, he will perform better and enjoy his work...which leads us to expect great things from him at the new church!   We never know what another person is truly going through. Although she gave us food for thought, our young correspondent who had direct statements about some in our profession, might want to wait until after she has a lot of professional experience, and then rethink the situation.   Pipechat is a great vehicle for sharing and learning, isn't it?   Peace, Bill Miller