PipeChat Digest #462 - Friday, July 24, 1998
 
Re: Lack of Interest
  by "j. stuart" <jstuart1@pdq.net>
changing times
  by "j. stuart" <jstuart1@pdq.net>
What made you interested in organ?
  by <OrganAngel@aol.com>
Re: What made you interested in organ?
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
Re: What made you interested in organ?
  by <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Re: What made you interested in organ?
  by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net>
RE: What made you interested in organ?
  by "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com>
Re: What made you interested in organ?
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: What made you interested in organ?
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
So THAT'S what happened to my unfinished post!!!
  by <TonyIn219@aol.com>
Performance Anxiety
  by "Vernon Moeller" <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Organ for sale
  by "Mascioni Organi" <masciorg@tin.it>
Re: Performance Anxiety
  by "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk>
Re: What made you interested in organ?
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Performance Anxiety
  by "Mike Langford" <mike5@indian-creek.net>
Re: Performance Anxiety
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net>
Organ Museum
  by <OrganAngel@aol.com>
Re: Organ for sale
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Re: What made you interested in organ?
  by <Posthorn8@aol.com>
Re: What made you interested in organ?
  by <GHamil9709@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Lack of Interest From: "j. stuart" <jstuart1@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:47:48 -0500   i think there is a general disinterest in organs primarilay by the younger crowd because they have never seen or heard one. and (hopefully not offending anyone) those who have have seen them in church. since many are essentially forced to go and don't want to be there i think i may put a black mark against the organ. i can't remember the last time i heard an organ other than my own. most people who see the organs that are disscussed here allready have a love for them. i think that many of the younger folks do not even know they exist. except of course in churches. even in my school days (last week) : ) they mentioned piano but never the organ. i wonder if nowdays they are even teaching the kids to read music. just a humble opinion by a usual lurker. if i offended anyone just understand that i am not that educated and just wanted to make a humble comment.   John F. Crowley wrote:   > Dear Emily: > > I believe I was refering to the lack of interest in pipe organs by > theater management. We have a very beautiful 4/36 Wurlitzer here in the > Fox Theater that just sits and sleeps. In general, there are theaters who > still house their original organs and unfortuantely they just sit idle. > > If I remember correctly, no rference was made to organs used in churches. > I have been playing one for over eight years now. > > And as far as some organists being "stuck on themselves", I have > unfortunately have hat the misfortune of meeting several. As for myself, > i have never had any trouble sharing knowledge or helpful hints, showing > some one how to do a particluar thing while playing, etc. I have had > excellent teachers that have taught me alot that I didn't know and I have > never been afraid to share any of that knowledge. > > Good luck with youtr lessons. > > John > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: changing times From: "j. stuart" <jstuart1@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 05:00:37 -0500   many churches, in an attempt to reach the kids, began to play music to a beat they would listen to. alot of more modern music seems to be tempo rather than words that gets your attention. but the words are still there and even if subconsciously are still heard. i guess i mean that for most people to like something it has to strike them somehow. while i don't think alot of music would sound good on the organ, playing things that the kids recognize and like may help spark an interest. for example if all i had ever heard on the organ was Bach, i probably would not be playing (attempting to play) today. my dad played the old folk songs i learned as a kid. this struck and interest because i knew the songs. aside from a little tinkering with music i don't know, i still mostly play the music i learned from him. i'm probably going way around the bush here but all i'm trying to say is many times it is familiarity that hits home.    
(back) Subject: What made you interested in organ? From: <OrganAngel@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:44:18 EDT   Hello everyone, I'm always curious as to what made people want to play the organ. I started because I love to listen to the organist at my church and I love to watch him play. He puts a lot of feeling into his music and he loves the "big" organ sound...as who doesn't. Well, that's what got me started. Anyone else have other reasons?   A fellow (young) organist, Lauren  
(back) Subject: Re: What made you interested in organ? From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:12:34 -0400   At 07:44 AM 7/23/98 EDT, Lauren wrote:   >Hello everyone, > > I'm always curious as to what made people want to play the organ.   My folks took me to a Hammond Organ concert in my home town -- the artist was Eddie Layton (organist for the New York Yankees). Eddie was wonderful that afternoon and is still going strong. Hearing that program and Eddie's ability to create all that music and sound as a single musician led me to ask for my first organ and lessons. Been doing it ever since!! :)   Dan    
(back) Subject: Re: What made you interested in organ? From: <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:35:20 EDT   In a message dated 7/23/98 6:46:07 AM Central Daylight Time, OrganAngel@aol.com writes:   > I'm always curious as to what made people want to play the organ.   When I was twelve, my uncle took me to a show at the Palace Theatre in Dallas, Texas. I will never forget entering the theatre and as we entered the lobby I could feel and hear the organ at a distance from inside the auditorium. Stepping iniside, I will never forget the wonderful sound which seemed to come from everywhere at once, the sight of the huge white (gold trim) console, or the flying feet of the man playing it. I was hooked!   BTW, years later I found out the organ was a Wurlitzer Public 1 with 4 manuals and 20 ranks of pipes and was played by Mr. Weldon Flanagan who first started playing the organ when HE was 12 ! ! ! Today I spend a lot of my "free" time helping Weldon install a 3/18 hybrid in his home north of Dallas. One never knows how that first exposure to a pipe organ will turn out!   Best wishes, Bob Acker  
(back) Subject: Re: What made you interested in organ? From: usd465@horizon.hit.net (Frank Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:09:34 -0500   Lauren wrote:   > I'm always curious as to what made people want to play the organ. I >started because I love to listen to the organist at my church and I love to >watch him play. He puts a lot of feeling into his music and he loves the >"big" organ sound...as who doesn't. Well, that's what got me started. Anyone >else have other reasons?   My mother was a fine organist and pianist and I was "sort of" raised on those instruments. My first theater organ experience was on a Sunday afternoon in Oklahoma City. We had driven there from Kiowa, KS just for a place to go and after eating we went to the Skiren tower and heard Ken Wright play his regular Sunday afternoon organ show on WKY radio. There was a Kilgen organ in the studios. That organ, I understand, is now in a civic auditorium in Oklahoma City. It went through a period of disrepair but was finally restored. I believe I've heard that there is some movement to either remove it or repair it again but I'm not certain about the last information. Interesting thread. Hope others will share.   Frank   Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: RE: What made you interested in organ? From: "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:10:59 -0700   For me it was a couple things: * The big sound with a lot of variety/timbre * Only one person controlling all that stuff   I started piano when I was nine. I migrated to the organ at 11. I became interested after watching our church's organist. The console was at the back of the church, so I could ask her all sorts of questions and move around to see things without distracting the worshippers.   It was amazing to me then--and still is now--that one person can, at his or her fingertips, be in control of all the different sounds, volume levels, precessions, and where the organ speaks from. I find it satisfying to have all that power, being able to produce such beautiful sounds, and lead a group of people in singing. How one instrument can produce the softest of celestes, and then in one instant be causing the ceiling plaster to fall with the rumble of a 32' contre bourdon, is beyond me. There is nothing else like it.  
(back) Subject: Re: What made you interested in organ? From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:30:17 -0400 (EDT)   I first became interested in the pipe organ at age 4 or 5. The folks said that the only time I appeared "alive" in church was when the organ was blasting away during hymns or the postlude. They would take me up to the front gallery to watch "Wilbur" play the postlude (in his WHITE BUCKS!). The organ was a 3m Pilcher, the room was victorian and very live. The next organist I met took me into the pipe chamber (as an incentive for good behavior in children's choir -- it worked, sort of). If I was good during choir (and the choir was not singing on a particular Sunday) I was allowed to stay in the pipe chamber for the entire service. What a trip! I was hooked. I wanted to be able to make all of those pipes whistle, toot and boom. And I wanted to be at the command of that huge rush of magnificence when that magic button was pushed (sfz!). The first big, loud piece I learned to play was Mendelssohn's Wedding March -- that was the church secretary's favorite piece (and how I got let into the building during the week -- thanks Miss Libby!!!). So, for me, it's a combination of music and mechanism.   :~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~: o o o _____bruce cornely_____ o o o o o o cremona84000@webtv.net o o o o o o ___ O a H g S o ___ o o o   At thieves I bark'd, at lovers wagg'd my tail, And thus I pleased both Lord and Lady Frail. --John Wilkes    
(back) Subject: Re: What made you interested in organ? From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:53:45 -0400 (EDT)   Bob, I got chills as I went up those stairs with you into the Palace theatre in your post. I remember the excitement I felt hearing the Fox Atlanta's Mighty Moe the first time, and it was walking up the grand stairway. It drew me in like a suction wind. .... and I was 17 and had been playing the organ for about eight or nine years by then. What a feeling!   :~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~: o o o _____bruce cornely_____ o o o o o o cremona84000@webtv.net o o o o o o ___ O a H g S o ___ o o o   At thieves I bark'd, at lovers wagg'd my tail, And thus I pleased both Lord and Lady Frail. --John Wilkes    
(back) Subject: So THAT'S what happened to my unfinished post!!! From: <TonyIn219@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:28:49 EDT   I see that a post that disappeared ended up on the list prematurely.   Since I am a writer, I usually make several drafts of something and then make changes to it before i send it. I was typing yesterday and the post disappeared!!!   I was working on something regarding over-the-top Americanism and trying to draw a correlation between that and my perception of Lyn Larsen's incredibly professional concerts that use showmanship, flourishes and extra touches to pull off exciting, and in the case of Hopeful Heart, 100% SanFilippo- appropriate performances.   That's it. In a nutshell. I guess it's a moot point now.   John Carington  
(back) Subject: Performance Anxiety From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:33:20 -0500   I had lunch with a friend of mine yesterday, a psychologist by trade who happens to admire organists, organ music, etc (we all have our failings, don't we ;-) ), and he and I got to talking about performance anxiety among organists and how, left untreated, it can force organists to retire prematurely to avoid its symptoms, or at the very least, endure the most frightful symptoms while playing the organ. He also showed me a pamphlet he had received from a publishing house that specializes in his field, and he mentioned that perhaps this information would help somebody on the list, so here goes:   {begin quote}   Methods for Overcoming Pre-Performance Jitters   "Notes from the Green Room" explains the causes of musical performance anxiety and suggests methods for dealing with it effectively. The authors show how proper preparation, as well as techniques such as learning experiments, relaxation training, tnesion management, and graded exposure to groups of various sizes, can relieve the compulsion that often accompanies an individual's performance. This book will be an essential resource for musicians at any level - from church organist to world-class operatic soloist.   Notes from the Green Room Coping with Stress and Anxiety in Musical Performance Paul G Salmon, Robert G. Meyer   Hardcover Item #C644-Y06 231 pages $25.95 Softcover Item #F968-Y06 231 pages $24.95   {end quote}   I think it interesting that the ad mentioned church organists, don't you?   This book is published by Jossey-Bass Publishers (www.josseybass.com (1-800-956-7739)).   I know a couple of organists who suffer from this syndrome. One of them is an elderly lady who is a competent organist and pianist in her own right, but tell her that she is supposed to play for church, and you can see her start to shake in fear right in front of you! She's never played so badly that she would have any reason to fear playing for church, yet she quivers like a leaf before and during every service I've seen her play for.   I'd bet a month's salary that there are others here on the list who also suffer from PA, so I hope that the information I've passed on to them will prove helpful.   \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Organ for sale From: "Mascioni Organi" <masciorg@tin.it> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:44:30 +0200   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDB661.8BE70CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear Sirs,   we have a pipe studio organ built in 1970 by our company and belonging = to a private teacher witch is now for sale. The instrument is in perfect conditions and it has a two manual electric = console with 24 tablets. If anyone is interested we have all the specification as well the = original drawing for it, simply send us a request. The company who built it has 170 years of experience and more than 1100 = instrument realised. Thanks and good chat to everybody.   Andrea Mascioni   masciorg@tin.it   http://web.tin.it/mascioni       ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDB661.8BE70CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman">Dear = Sirs,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman">we have a pipe = studio organ=20 built in 1970 by our company and belonging to a private teacher witch is = now for=20 sale.<BR>The instrument is in perfect conditions and it has a two manual =   electric console with 24 tablets.<BR>If anyone is interested we have all = the=20 specification as well the original drawing for it, simply send us a=20 request.<BR>The company who built it has 170 years of experience and = more than=20 1100 instrument realised.<BR>Thanks and good chat to=20 everybody.</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman">Andrea = Mascioni</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"><A=20 href=3D"mailto:masciorg@tin.it">masciorg@tin.it</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"><A=20 href=3D"http://web.tin.it/mascioni">http://web.tin.it/mascioni</A></FONT>= </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20 face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDB661.8BE70CE0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Performance Anxiety From: "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:40:25 GMT   Listmembers might also like to read a brief article on this subject in the May 1998 issue of *Libretto*, the magazine of the ABRSM. It's on the Web at http://www.abrsm.ac.uk/feature.html   Mark Harris =========  
(back) Subject: Re: What made you interested in organ? From: <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:16:59 EDT   My interest in the organ dates back to when I was 5 years old.. My parents told me that I would sit on a horizontal limb of an old apple tree and "play" organ, the limb having been high enough to allow for "foot work". My parents advised me that there was only one organ teacher in my town, that he was over 70 at the time, and that he would not take "starting" students, only those accomplished already in piano. Thus began a difficult time of my young life, sitting at the piano for hours every day, while, all the time, dreaming of pipes and multiple keyboards, and best of all, those little numbered buttons that made the little ivory tabs change their position. Finally at age 10, I was permitted to start organ lessons. It was a bit of a trauma to find out that the piano could not be forsaken completely,,,Mr. Landis insisted on piano one week, organ the next. HOWEVER,,,finally I got to practice on Austin Opus 463, 1913, with a wire bound notebook to keep my hours in,,,,practice time being computed at 35 cents the hour for power for the Spencer Orgoblo. So,,,,the majesty and the power of the pipe organ was what captured my fancy at an early age,,,and I have never looked back, always ahead to more practice,,,harder compositions,,,and different instruments to "try out". Many years in repair of pipe organs have offered many opportunities in that field,,,but to this day, I still marvel at the Austin Universal Air Chest System,,,full height,,,whenever I come upon one.   Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Performance Anxiety From: Mike Langford <mike5@indian-creek.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:20:06 EST   Thank you for that information. I suffered greatly, and to a much lesser extent still do, from that angst. I finally met up with a professional organist who also had a degree in psychology and we talked in several sessions about the problem. She, in her own experience, had suffered as well to the point of becoming vomitous before a performance, and had developed some tools which helped me overcome a great deal of that anxiety.   There is also a book I think it's called "The Inner Game Of Music" which addresses the subject in some detail (same author as "The Inner Game Of Tennis"??? I'll check tonight when I get home, memory may be lagging here).   Mike At 10:33 AM 7/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >I had lunch with a friend of mine yesterday, a psychologist by trade who >happens to admire organists, organ music, etc (we all have our failings, >don't we ;-) ), and he and I got to talking about performance anxiety among >organists and how, left untreated, it can force organists to retire >prematurely to avoid its symptoms, or at the very least, endure the most >frightful symptoms while playing the organ. He also showed me a pamphlet >he had received from a publishing house that specializes in his field, and >he mentioned that perhaps this information would help somebody on the list, >so here goes: > >{begin quote} > >Methods for Overcoming Pre-Performance Jitters > >"Notes from the Green Room" explains the causes of musical performance >anxiety and suggests methods for dealing with it effectively. The authors >show how proper preparation, as well as techniques such as learning >experiments, relaxation training, tnesion management, and graded exposure >to groups of various sizes, can relieve the compulsion that often >accompanies an individual's performance. This book will be an essential >resource for musicians at any level - from church organist to world-class >operatic soloist. > >Notes from the Green Room >Coping with Stress and Anxiety in Musical Performance >Paul G Salmon, Robert G. Meyer > >Hardcover Item #C644-Y06 231 pages $25.95 >Softcover Item #F968-Y06 231 pages $24.95 > >{end quote} > >I think it interesting that the ad mentioned church organists, don't you? > >This book is published by Jossey-Bass Publishers (www.josseybass.com >(1-800-956-7739)). > >I know a couple of organists who suffer from this syndrome. One of them is >an elderly lady who is a competent organist and pianist in her own right, >but tell her that she is supposed to play for church, and you can see her >start to shake in fear right in front of you! She's never played so badly >that she would have any reason to fear playing for church, yet she quivers >like a leaf before and during every service I've seen her play for. > >I'd bet a month's salary that there are others here on the list who also >suffer from PA, so I hope that the information I've passed on to them will >prove helpful. > >\/\/\ > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Performance Anxiety From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:22:06 -0500   Another excellent "selfhelp" book about this is by Robert Triplett, entitled "Stagefright, Letting It Work for You". Dr. Triplett also does workshops on this subject and has done them before several AGO chapters. The book received excellent reviews from Dave Brubeck and Leonard Raver. Mark    
(back) Subject: Organ Museum From: <OrganAngel@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:40:20 EDT   Hello everyone,   I was watching the "Joy of Music" with Diane Bish and she was at an organ museum that is in Switzerland. I will be going to Italy a week from tomorrow and Switzerland will be one of the places I will be visiting and was wondering if anyone knew where in Switzerland it was... Thank you for any info!!!!!!   Take care, Lauren  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ for sale From: <CHERCAPA@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:14:47 EDT   DEar Sir, Please forward the specifications of the organ to my snail mail address. 4751 Orchard Rd. Schnecksville, Pa. 18078 Sincerely, Paul P. Valtos  
(back) Subject: Re: What made you interested in organ? From: <Posthorn8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:16:56 EDT   Hi list,   I'll NEVER forget the first time I heard a theatre organ!! I was about 6 years old and the white/gold Wurlitzer had just been moved and installed in the Auditorium Theatre on Main Street in downtown Rochester. (I was too young to know anything about it.) My parents took us one night to an evangelistic meeting that was being held at the theatre. We walked in and took our seats. I was so small I didn't even see the console in the pit.   There was no pre-sevice music. When the service time came the lights went dim. All of a sudden there was a wonderful and fabulous wall of sound that hit me. The organ and organist started rising out of the pit with a really big "How Great Thou Art". WOW, WOW, WOW!!! I couldn't move and I was spell bound!! Even as I sit here and type this I can honestly say it was the most awsome thing I have ever experienced in my life. The only thing that has come close to it is when I take the console up into the spotlight myself. I then relive that moment.   Tim Schramm Theatre Organist & Accompanist for the Rochester Gay Men's Chorus  
(back) Subject: Re: What made you interested in organ? From: <GHamil9709@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:56:32 EDT   During the depression days (1930 ---) the entertainment available for the folks in the rural area and small town where we lived consisted of getting together and playing the "fiddle", piano, guitar --- or, in the case of my farmer grand- parents, a reed organ and singing..etc. I leaned some chords on the reed organ. We always had an old upright piano.. that always needed tuning as noone had the money for such luxuries as tuning. I plunked away on the piano. I also remember going to silent films and hearing the theater pipe organ. (They always kept the organist's feet from view as if it was some kind of a secret thing they were doing!) When spinet organs came on the market -- we bought one as soon as we could find some way to pay for it. etc.etc.   Gene hamilton