PipeChat Digest #401 - Wednesday, June 3, 1998
PipeChat Digest #400 - 06/02/98
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Difference
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
St. Patrick's and St. Louis Kilgens' Original Specs?
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Special Keyboard Characters
  by "Professor Alan Mortimer" <mortimer@ruralnet.net.au>
Re: Difference
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Difference
  by "Peggy C. Bie" <peggyb@gate.net>
Something to pass on:
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Another something to pass on:
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Special Keyboard Characters
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
organ builder list.
  by "jenny moon" <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk>

(back) Subject: PipeChat Digest #400 - 06/02/98 From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:24:22 -0400   Excellent response Adam, and best wishes in all your studies. I hope to get to hear the Newark Cathedral organ one of these days. Judy  
(back) Subject: Re: Difference From: <CHERCAPA@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:30:02 EDT   Dear Ken, Exactly. I have read all kinds of sanctimonious blather about being ethical, truthful, and forthright, damning misrepresentation and other skullduggery. If it were not for the APOBA members pulling shennanigans like ranks that don't exist, oboes that are stopped flutes, chimney flutes without chimmnies (rewrote the plural of chimney three times and it still doesn't look right)., and other such deception, they wouldn't have had to fight the digital invention. Let's face it. Allen's oscillator organ was more unified than a three rank Wurlitzer . Otherwise Allen would have not been so profitable. But the pipe organ people could not come out and say,Oh, that stop is borrowed from auch and such oscillators as the pipe organ people were borrowing from everywhere too.. The pot calling the kettle black. I mentioned to Seb Gluck that the APOBA should have a approval committee made up of engineers (UL, SAE, PE,etc,etc. two organists, one master cabinetmaker or rep of that industry, etc. etc.)This committe would put a stamp of approval on a work, as in a work of art or a building saying it conforms to such and such standards. I don't hear any mad shuffle to get on the wagon. Sincerely, Paul P. Valtos  
(back) Subject: St. Patrick's and St. Louis Kilgens' Original Specs? From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:57:21 EDT   Since being appointed to my new position I am fascinated and trying to learn all I can about the monster Kilgen pipe organ that I will soon be playing. It's design was, indeed, affected by the Kilgen organ in St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC and, quite possbly to a degree by the large Kilgen in the (Roman Catholic) Cathedral in St. Louis, Missouri as well.   I am trying to find the ORIGINAL specs and other information about the Geo. Kilgen & Son, Inc. pipe organs that were installed in St. Patrick's and in the St. Louis Cathedrals. I am specifically seeking:   A) the year they were built and installed B) their opus numbers C) who designed their tonal specifications D) who voiced and regulated them E) their ORIGINAL spefications as they was installed by the builder   Any and all information will be greatly appreciated.   Thanks!   Scott Foppiano  
(back) Subject: Special Keyboard Characters From: Professor Alan Mortimer <mortimer@ruralnet.net.au> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:00:09 GMT   To obtain the type of cross symbol that would appear before a Bishop's name one needs to have Wingdings or similar special character font on the computer.   When using Wingdings...the character to type is X (capital X) this type of cross is not available in ordinary typography fonts...it is a special character only available within fonts such as above described.   Hope this helps as I cannot illustrate the cross obtained in normal email type and cannot send you a copy of our church bulletins produced with such symbols.   Regards, Alan Professor Alan Mortimer Anglican Church    
(back) Subject: Re: Difference From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:50:40 +0000       bruce cornely wrote:   > Ken, > we were trying to give the gentleman a simple explanation of the vague > difference among the various member of the Diapason/Principal/Montre > family.   That's all fine and well, but is it helpful to perpetuate such oddities as, in my example, "Open Gedeckt"? It's best to say, "You may find an Open Gedeckt on some organs, but it doesn't really exist as the name implies -- there's nothing open about it." The same with saying a Diapason sans Open is found enclosed -- it's not called "Open" 'cause it's not enclosed, it's called "Open" 'cause the pipe is open. What next, "Flute Triangulaire" is really a bourdon but the chest is triangular in shape? "Stopped Diapason" is really an open diapason that has the stop knob in, thus "stopping" the sound?   Just trying to be accurate....   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Difference From: "Peggy C. Bie" <peggyb@gate.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 19:46:21 -0400   "Open Gedeckt" Very funny. The word in German means covered, so an open gedaeckt means an "open covered" pipe. I wonder how they do that? Ignorant!   Peggy Bie  
(back) Subject: Something to pass on: From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:06:12 -0500   Listers, sorry to cross a subject to another list. Everyone else, ENJOY!!   I had to pass this explanation to you. I laughed my head off. It comes from the e-mail list "PipeOrg-L" and I think you will enjoy it. Some of it actually applies to me...like the train spotter part, sweaty palms, and others:   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com ________________________________________________   "(from BBC Music magazine) Gary Cole explains what organ buffs mean when they say... Church Building: designed to house pipe organ Pipe organ: Regarded as "The King of Instruments". Inspires irrational fanaticism Electronic organ: Cheap substitute. No pipes, but can pick up Radio 4 on a good day Console: Where the organist sits to play. Consists of manuals, pedals, stop knobs, flashing lights and non-optional closed circuit TV to see conductor. Consoles of larger organs resemble flight deck of 747 Manuals: Keyboards for the hands, just like on a piano. Each manual controls a separate group of stops called a 'division'. An organ often has two or more manuals; this is so you can tell it isn't a piano Pedals: Keyboard for the feet. The keys are much bigger than those for the hands, so you would think it would be easier to hit the right ones... Stop: A set or 'rank' of pipes of one particular tone colour, such as flute, trumpet or oboe. So-called because pushing a little knob in 'stops' the wind getting to those pipes. The more stops an organ has the more it gets organists going Registration: The particular stops selected by an organist - always down to personal taste Great, Swell, Choir, Pedal: Some of the many different 'divisions'. Larger organs can have even more, like solo, positive, echo, bombarde, orchestral, tower, dome, nave... there may even be a phantom somewhere Swell Box: Imagine a full orchestra playing as loud as possible all the time, in a soundproof room with the sound let out through a gigantic Venetian blind Toccata: Piece for organ and maniac Fugue: Organists play a lot of these and Organists play a lot of these and Organists play a lot of these Voluntary: You don't have to stay and listen Liturgy: Interrupts the flow of the music Hymn: Justifies an organist's existence Hymns for weddings: The Lord's my Shepherd, Praise my Soul Hymns for funerals: The Lord's my Shepherd, Praise my Soul Choir: Occupational hazard of being a church organist. Ideal accompaniment to the organ Choir practice: Preparation for going down to the pub Modern hymn: Musically unchallenged tune for the musically challenged. Limited to about three notes Improvisation: Embarrassing music to fill embarrassing silences Organ buff: Train spotter whose continuing mission is to seek out all organs. Knows stop lists and wind pressures from memory. Distinguishing features include mad, bulging eyes and sweaty palms Organ shoes: Special footwear, invariably fetid. Believed by organists to facilitate more accurate pedal playing - usually with very limited success Cathedral organist: Ultimate ambition of many church organists, ie to give up playing the organ Reluctant organist: Someone in a church without an organist who admits to being able to play the piano Romantic weekend in Paris: Great opportunity to see lots of fabulous organs   Gary Cole is a freelance record producer and engineer   submitted by David Lines"      
(back) Subject: Another something to pass on: From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:14:04 -0500   Here's another:   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com __________________________________________   "I thought you might enjoy these...   Astronaut: "Nearer My God, To Thee" Baker: "I Need Thee Every Hour" Barber: "A Parting Hymn We Sing" Baseball Batter: "Seek Thee First" Builder: "How Firm A Foundation" and "The Church's One Foundation" Canoeist: "Flow, River, Flow" Carpenter: "The Nail Scarred Hand" Children's Librarian: "We've A Story To Tell" Chiropractor: "Awake My Soul, Stretch Every Nerve" Civil Engineer: "When I Survey The Wondrous Cross" Dentist: "Crown Him With Many Crowns" Electrician: "O Joyful Light" and "Send The Light" Fisherman: "Shall We Gather At The River?" Golfer: "There Is A Green Hill Far Away" Gossiper: "Pass It On," "It Is No Secret," and "Oh, For A Thousand Tongues" Historian: "Tell Me The Old, Old Story" IRS: "All To Thee (I Owe)" and "We Give Thee But Thine Own" Jogger: "The Path Of Life" Lifeguard: "Come To The Water" Long-Distance Trucker: "On The Highways And Byways Of Life" Mathematician: "10,000 Times 10,000" Medical Technician: "Revive Us Again" Mountain Climber: "The Rock That Is Higher Than I" Newlywed: "I Need Thee Every Hour" Obstetrician: "He Is Able To Deliver Thee" Optometrist: "Open Mine Eyes That I Might See" and "When I Can Read My Title Clear" Paratrooper: "Now On Land And Sea Descending" Philosopher: "I Am Thinking Today" Politician: "Standing On The Promises" Real Estate Agent: "I've Got A Mansion" Sailboater: "Deep River" Sceptic: "Almost Persuaded" Shopper: "Sweet By And By" Speech Therapist: "He Never Said A Mumbling Word" Steeple Builder: "Lift High The Cross" Stonecutter: "Rock Of Ages" Switchboard Operator: "There's A Call Comes Ringing" Tailor: "Holy, Holy, Holy" Voice Teacher: "Sing Them Over Again To Me" Watchmaker: "Take Time To Be Holy" Watchman: "Silent Night" Weatherman: "There Shall Be Showers Of Blessing"   passed on by David Lines"      
(back) Subject: Re: Special Keyboard Characters From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 00:27:33 +0000   > To obtain the type of cross symbol   What button do I push to get pipe organ chat?   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: organ builder list. From: jenny moon <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:11:33 BST     Hi.   Thanks Bruce for making the point regarding electronic organ conversation within the organ building list. This list IS, I repeat, IS open to builders of electronic organs as much as it is open to those who are interested/build pipe organs.   Any relevent topic of conversation is welcome on this list.   Thanks.   Jen.   bfus7@central.sussex.ac.uk