PipeChat Digest #404 - Saturday, June 6, 1998
Re: Pogo
  by <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com>
(no subject)
  by "Jenny Moon" <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk>
Gender specific divisions
  by "Robert Horton" <r-horton@nwu.edu>
Re: Gender specific divisions
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Additions to my previous post
  by "W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net>
Re: Electric organs
  by "Dan Wilkinson" <dandub@gte.net>
3 1/2 different organs - some reactions Xpost
  by "Jonathan M Orwig" <giwro@juno.com>
Re: 3 1/2 different organs - some reactions Xpost
  by "John F. Crowley" <jfjc@juno.com>

(back) Subject: Re: Pogo From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:44:42 -0400     There's another pertinent quote from Pogo Possum: "We has found the enemy and they is us," or something to that effect. How does this apply? Well, we organists are often our own worst enemies. Old Walt certainly had his moments of genius, and I think this was one of 'em.    
(back) Subject: From: Jenny Moon <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:17:14 BST     Hi.   Can anybody give me some clear instructions on how to subscribe to PIPEORG-L, and indeed if it is worth subscribing to.   I have tried several times and it just keeps coming back to me as an error. What is the subsciption address and what do I type.   Sorry, I'm abit thick!!   Jen.      
(back) Subject: Gender specific divisions From: Robert Horton <r-horton@nwu.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:53:29 -0500   At 04:00 AM 6/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net> >""No organ? Are you saying it was an all-female cast?"" >>Ken Sybesma"" >Females have organs too - they're somehwat shuttered!   Indeed...it's an enclosed division which should, in German, be labeled the "Bauchwerk". In the classic werk-style of case layout, it's normally found underneath the "Brustwerk".   RH  
(back) Subject: Re: Gender specific divisions From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:54:15 +0000   Robert Horton wrote:   > Indeed...it's an enclosed division which should, in German, be > labeled the "Bauchwerk". In the classic werk-style of case > layout, it's normally found underneath the "Brustwerk".   If you drive through certain parts of New York City you see plenty of Ruckforelle prominently displayed, although I've seen them referred to as Thunfischwerk on certain installations.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Additions to my previous post From: " W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:56:35 -0400     There were two errors to the stoplist for the Holyoke Skinner in the Choir organ the there are not two 8' Gambas one is at 16' pitch, and the concert flute is an 8' stop.   An addition to my comments on flexability I think W.T. Best once said somthing to the effect of " If you can not manage the stops yourself you shouldn't play the organ."   Will Scarboro   **************************************************** Will Scarboro, Organ Historian (In Training) Organist, Pineda Presbyterian Church, Melbourne, Florida U.S.A 1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow Municipal Organ Research Project ****************************************************    
(back) Subject: Re: Electric organs From: Dan Wilkinson <dandub@gte.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 18:35:37 -0700   Hey there listers.....   I was just trying to get into PipeChat tonight....Friday...and for the life of me.....it just keeps telling me that it keeps timing out.....is there something wrong?   Dan Wilkinson    
(back) Subject: 3 1/2 different organs - some reactions Xpost From: giwro@juno.com (Jonathan M Orwig) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:21:46 -0700   Hi fellow organ-lovers,   I haven't posted much lately, as I have been rather busy. I did want to share my reactions that have come from a couple of months of seeing practice time on 3 pipe and 1 electronic.   The instruments are: an aging Rodgers 3M a III/59 1925 Casavant a IV/126 1971 Casavant and III/78 1998 Glatter-G"otz tracker.   My first reaction is something I already was aware of: I strongly dislike electronic organs! (although I recognize there is a place for them... I just wish that place was not in MY church!)   Secondly, each pipe instrument was large enough to be fairly flexible, but of the three, the newest one was the most comfortable being ecletic. I was struck by the difference that a few years can make in the philosophy of tonal scheme - the 1925 Casavant was very much a creature of that era - in fact, crank on all the trems couple everything to the Great w/all the 8' flues and the vox humana, and it ALMOST sounded like a Wurly....   <fastforwardto 1971 Phelpsavant>   which had numerous mixtures and chiffing flutes, albeit still giving the nod to a more "American Classic" sound than the late 60's Casavant that I used to play in MI with chiffing strings..... yeeech!   <fastforward to 1998 G-G>   which has flue work voiced right on the edge of chiffing (for the most part) which gives a "point" to the sound without being annoying like the "locomotive CHUFF!!!!!" of some instruments of the Orgelbewewewewegung era.   Conclusions? Nothing sounds good on the Rodgers after the other three. One can bend the rules a bit with repertoire, but some stuff is better suited to one or the other - transcriptions and romantic stuff are WONDERFUL on the 1925 - the 1971 is still pretty flexible because of its size, but the divisions are so spread out that there is less cohesiveness of sound. Buxtehude and other polyphony drove me nuts on this one. Nice to have 16,8 & 4 Party horns though... (incidentally, I had a great time playing for a packed house graduation there just last nite - had to be somewhere close to 2000 folks there - almost scared me peeless... was nice to get back into playing, though!)   If I had to live with one of the 3 every day, I'd be hard pressed to pick - they all have their endearing qualities. Strangely enough, I think it would come down to either the 1925 Casavant or the Glatter-G"otz, with the nod likely to go to the G-G. I normally don't care much for trackers, but this one is flexible enough tonally and with light enough action that it tips the scale. I hazard a guess it has a lot to do with the fine voicing skills of Manuel Rosales, whose work has always been a favorite of mine.   Alas, I cannot choose, however, and I live with the Rodgers. <sigh> Maybe someday I'll have a post again with a decent pipe organ - until then I'll just have to get my "fix" once or twice a week, courtesy of good and generous fellow-organists.   Cheers,   **************** Jonathan Orwig Minister of Music - Bethany Church, Redlands, CA for new Organ, Keyboard & Choral Music visit Evensong Music at: http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: 3 1/2 different organs - some reactions Xpost From: jfjc@juno.com (John F. Crowley) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:35:31 -0500   Think having an electronic in your church is bad? When I started subbing at the parish we live in, I was playing an old Hammond. I mean OLD! The only decent combination (and you wouldn't want to use this for congregational singing) was the full organ on the GREAT (16' pitch) and the tremulant. Before I left there, th eorgan was upgraded to a used Allen (can't remember the model) but it too was old. This was the instrument that was used at the St. Louis Cathedral by Dr. Mario Salvador while their magnificent Kilgen was removed and shipped to the now extinct MP Moller Co for rebuilding.   Several yearsb ago, the College Church at Grand and Lindell Aves in Midtown St. Louis was completely renovated. Everything except their 4m Kilgen which was prompltly removed from the chburch to the trash bin and replaced with a Rogers or some other thingy with 2 ranks of pipes? and about 50 million speakers.   Sad to spend 3 million bucks to renovate a church and not a dime for the pipe organ.   A sacreledge to say the very least.   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]