PipeChat Digest #408 - Tuesday, June 9, 1998
 
Re: ?changing sound of Conn organ?
  by "Owen Jones" <owenj@dynamite.com.au>
Re:  Expedience vs Aesthetics (was: Pipe vs Electronic)
  by "Barry Jordan" <Barry.Jordan@t-online.de>
Re: Tuning of Wilmington (DE) Rieger
  by <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Trivia question
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Concert, July 5, Westhampton Beach LI NY
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Trivia question
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Re: WurliTzer Marimba
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
RE: Expedience vs Aesthetics (was: Pipe vs Electronic)
  by "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com>
Re: Trivia question
  by <sohmer@juno.com>
Re: PO vs EO (Vol XXV, No 73, Chapter 128...)
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Convention Time
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Help!
  by "Russell Greene" <russg@cyberspc.mb.ca>
Re: [organbuilder] Electricorgan (fwd)
  by "Russell Greene" <russg@cyberspc.mb.ca>
Re: Help!
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blaineri@home.com>
Organs in England and France!
  by <JEKroep@hrn.bradley.edu>
PipeChat T shirts :-)
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Organs in England and France!
  by "Jenny Moon" <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk>
Re: Organs in England and France!
  by "Vincent" <vlefevere@unicall.be>
NPOR
  by "Jenny Moon" <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk>
Re: ?changing sound of Conn organ?
  by "James Burkholder" <jburkhol@raex.com>
Re: Expedience vs Aesthetics (was: Pipe vs Electronic)
  by <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Theatre Organ top 10
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Theatre Organ top 10
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Theatre Organ top 10
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: ?changing sound of Conn organ? From: Owen Jones <owenj@dynamite.com.au> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 19:00:15 +1000   Which stops were screechy? What type of speakers are you using for the flutes?   Owen   James Burkholder wrote:   > I have a Conn model 830. It is a fine instument, but is a bit screechy > (?sp). It was recently tuned, and if anything, this made it more so. > Anyone out there with expertise in this instrument have any comments about > whether there is a way to adjust its sound to make it more mellow? > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Expedience vs Aesthetics (was: Pipe vs Electronic) From: Barry.Jordan@t-online.de (Barry Jordan) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:08:57 +0200   FireAlarmz@aol.com schrieb: > > In Wilmington DE USA is a 25-stop, 39-rank Rieger tracker organ which I often > play. The flue pipes are cone-tuned. As I understand it from the church, this > instrument, installed in 1977, costs a "few hundred" dollars a year for tuning > the reeds and minor maintenance/adjustments. And it is ALWAYS in 100% pristine > condition. > > Hi Bill   this is REALLY cheap. Perhaps it's just more expensive over here. Our 34-stop Schuke gets a touch-up (mixtures and other tinies) once a year, and a "General- stimmung", thorough going-over, about every three. As you know, cone tuning too often does not do the pipes much good. The "big tune" takes two organ-builders about 2 and a half days and costs around three and a half thousand marks, plus their accomodation. But the organ does need it by then. Reeds get done by the organist just about weekly (if he's conscientious!) here in Germany. Those are the prices, they vary a bit but not all that much.   A question: is the church in DE heated or climatically stabilised? Here we have temperatures ranging from -5° in winter to nearly 30° in midsummer. Although fluework theoretically changes pitch proportionally without actually going out of tune, one does begin to notice the effect at some point on the roller-coaster.   Cheers Barry    
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning of Wilmington (DE) Rieger From: <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:41:07 EDT   In a message dated 98-06-08 06:12:08 EDT, Barry Jordan wrote:   << A question: is the church in DE heated or climatically stabilised? Here we have temperatures ranging from -5° in winter to nearly 30° in midsummer. Although >>   The church is heated to, say, 60 degrees at all times in winter, then raised to, I imagine, 68-70 for the Sunday services. The organ is tuned at the Sunday AM temperature. Inside temperature in the summer may reach 80 degrees or a little more. (All temperatures given in Farenheit.)   In the summer the reeds are of course out of tune, so they either don't use them or have them touched up. (The instrument is very effective without those baroque reeds!)   The cone-tuned flues are *very* stable and most haven't been touched since their initial tuning years ago. Even the two wooden stopped flute ranks have proven to be amazingly stable.   Peace, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Trivia question From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:00:11 EDT   I came across this question, thought it interesting:   "When 'Fantasia' was released by Disney in 1940, who was the only composer still alive to hear his composition?"                                               Answer: Stravinsky   Now be honest.... how many of you got it right?   Vicki  
(back) Subject: Concert, July 5, Westhampton Beach LI NY From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:12:11 EDT   The Greater Hamptons Interfaith Council's Ecumenical Choir will present a concert on Sunday, July 5 at 4 pm at the Westhampton Presbyterian Church, Meetinghouse Lane, Quogue NY.   Selections include:   "Battle Hymn of the Republic," Wilhousky "Thou Must Leave Thy Lowly Dwelling," Berlioz "How Lovely Is Thy Dwelling Place," Brahms "Halleluja Chorus," Handel "Praise Ye the Lord of Hosts," Saint-Saens "How Shall I Fitly Meet Thee," Bach ""Honor and Glory," Bach "We Surely Here Shall Find Him," Beethoven   Plus for soli, one each for s0porano, alto, tenor and bass. I only know the alto one: "Eye Hath Not Seen," by Gaul..... because it's mine!!!   Hope you can come. Email me if you need directions.   Vicki Ceruti, alto :-)  
(back) Subject: Re: Trivia question From: <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:23:25 EDT   stravinsky?  
(back) Subject: Re: WurliTzer Marimba From: <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:39:53 EDT   you should contact Bob Acker at PIPELUVR@AOL.com about your W stuff regards Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: RE: Expedience vs Aesthetics (was: Pipe vs Electronic) From: "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:52:30 -0700   Bill Miller said:   *no* electronic organ is at its best after 20-plus years.   Well, I have a Rodgers in my church that was installed in 1976. Very little maintenance has been required--everything works perfectly--and the sound is just as full and rich today as it was when it was installed. It really is a joy to play.      
(back) Subject: Re: Trivia question From: sohmer@juno.com Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:03:22 -0400   Paul Dukas         s.o.   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: PO vs EO (Vol XXV, No 73, Chapter 128...) From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:03:40 -0400   Vernon, You presented a very well thought out discourse on the pipe vs everything else debate. Your points are well taken. You only ommitted one very very important point.   In spite of all the "advantages", one still has to listen to "that amplified, artificial noise"!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Convention Time From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:11:31 -0400   And I will be at the OHS convention wearing my, YES! YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST, new collection of silly Tshirts.   Maybe the convention goers could put a red-dot on their name tag for pipechat and a blue-dot for piporg-l, and a brown-dot or analretentives-l, and a yellow-dot for..... oh, well, you get the idea! :^)   I hear the altitude in Denver makes one light-headed. IIII caaaaaaaant' waaaaaait!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Help! From: Russell Greene <russg@cyberspc.mb.ca> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:46:14 -0500   Does anyone know how to subscribe to the E-ORG list? Thanks for your help.   Russ        
(back) Subject: Re: [organbuilder] Electricorgan (fwd) From: Russell Greene <russg@cyberspc.mb.ca> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:46:12 -0500   >If anybody is interested, please let me know and I will send you the >info.   Yes, I would be interested.   Thanks, Russ Greene        
(back) Subject: Re: Help! From: Blaine Ricketts <blaineri@home.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:59:38 -0700   You may subscribe by sending a "subscribe EORG-L yourname" command to LISTSERV@CFRVM.CFR.USF.EDU (or LISTSERV@CFRVM.BITNET).   Blaine Ricketts Castro Valley, CA  
(back) Subject: Organs in England and France! From: JEKroep@hrn.bradley.edu Date: 8 Jun 1998 11:33:32 CST/CDT   Dear Lists,     I will be departing to Europe on Thursday. I would like to hear aboutanybodies experiences in France and England(Great Britain). Since I ama new traveler, I would appreciate post concerning the many organs Ishould take time to hear.   Thank You.     Jonathan Kroepel   to: IN:pipechat@pipechat.org cc: IN:piporg-l@cnsibm.albany.edu    
(back) Subject: PipeChat T shirts :-) From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:46:34 -0400   GSandlawn@aol.com wrote: > > I will be at the OHS Convention.... wearing my PIP-ORGL T shirt..... when is > pipechat gonna have a T shirt! > > Sand >   Pipe Chatters can use the standard PIP-ORGL T shirt modified with the addition of the term "X-POSTED" printed under the "PIPORG-L" Logo. Much additional fun can be had by requiring the immediate removal of the shirt by any list member for straying OFF TOPIC. The "ORGUE-L" shirts won't be ready. The manufacturer "mucked up" the T shirt order by carelessly adding the letter "M" to the "ORGUE-L" Logo.   Stan :-)  
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in England and France! From: Jenny Moon <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:03:06 BST       On 8 Jun 1998 11:33:32 CST/CDT JEKroep@hrn.bradley.edu wrote:   > From: JEKroep@hrn.bradley.edu> Date: 8 Jun 1998 11:33:32 CST/CDT > Subject: Organs in England and France! > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > > Dear Lists, > > > I will be departing to Europe on Thursday. I would like to hear about > anybodies experiences in France and England(Great Britain). Since I am > a new traveler, I would appreciate post concerning the many organs I > should take time to hear. > > Thank You. > > > Jonathan Kroepel > > to: IN:pipechat@pipechat.org > cc: IN:piporg-l@cnsibm.albany.edu > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > Hello Jonathan.   I can't tell you much about France, apart from how to say hello and goodbye, but I can list some organs in England that you should hear (and play) if you get the chance.   CAMBRIDGE.   Cambridge is the large historical city in England. One of its major attractions are the colleges of the the University. Each college has a chapel and most have very nice organs. The one that stands out though is the 4 manual Willis at Kings College. The organ sits on a screen that seperates the main nave and the chancel. The organ has been recorded countless times. The building has excellent acoustics and the sound really is one that makes your spine tingle! The college choir are also amazing and well worth hearing. If you want further information on organs at Cambridge University colleges, all you want to know can be found on the NPOR (National Pipe Organ Register). This is a register of practically every pipe organ in Britain and includes dates, builder, specification and any work that has been carried out.   There are many Beautiful Cathedrals in England too, with lots of interesting pipe organs. The one that is close to my heart is the 4 manual in Durham Cathedral. It was built by Willis but was restored in 1970 by Harrison and Harrison. It really is a great instrument. I have had the pleasure of playing it and it was a great experience.   I could go on for ever!   If you are as fascinated with small pipe organs as I am, a visit to the county of Cumbria is a must. (the lake district). This is a beautiful county which is made up of beautiful scenery and tiny little villages. There is a church in each village and In many of them there is a pipe organ, always 1 or 2 manuals. They appear to be looked after. The churches are always left open for visiters, so time can be spent having a good look at the instrument.   I hope you enjoy your time in England and get as much enjoyment as I do finding new pipe organs to look at.   Jen.          
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in England and France! From: "Vincent" <vlefevere@unicall.be> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:14:54 +0200       ---------- > Van: JEKroep@hrn.bradley.edu > Aan: pipechat@pipechat.org > Onderwerp: Organs in England and France! > Datum: maandag 8 juni 1998 13:33 >=20 > Dear Lists, >=20 >=20 > I will be departing to Europe on Thursday. I would like to hear about > anybodies experiences in France and England(Great Britain). Since I am > a new traveler, I would appreciate post concerning the many organs I > should take time to hear. >=20 Jonathan,=20 in France - apart from Paris (St.Sulpice) - I suggest to visit the cathedral of St.Omer (North) with a incredible beautyful Cavaill=E9-Col organ. Maybe I can arr= ange to play by you. Just E-maim me (vlefevere@unicall.be). Welcome in Europe! Vincent from Bruges (Belgium)  
(back) Subject: NPOR From: Jenny Moon <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:10:03 BST     To add to my post about pipe organs in England.   The address for the National Pipe Organ Register (NPOR) is:   http://lehuray.csi.cam.ac.uk/npor_geog.html   Its a site worth visiting.   Jen.      
(back) Subject: Re: ?changing sound of Conn organ? From: James Burkholder <jburkhol@raex.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:05:22 -0400   Hi Owen, Thanks for your interest in my problem.   The speakers I have with this are two big sounds chests, a # 255 which has the amplifier and leslie in it, and a slave 256. I don't have any pipe speakers. The stops which are the ones I think are too screechy are the strings. I understand this instrument has tone generators for flutes and they play through this # 255 speaker system, through the leslie speaker. They are pretty mellow and I'm happy with them. The leslie is switched to a couple controls which make it turn either slow (for a flute celeste sound), or fast, for a flute tremulo sound.   I hope I've given you the information you refered to. Any comments or advice will be really appreciated.   Thanks again   Jim      
(back) Subject: Re: Expedience vs Aesthetics (was: Pipe vs Electronic) From: <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:32:34 EDT   In a message dated 98-06-08 09:54:16 EDT, Richard Wildhirt write:   << Well, I have a Rodgers in my church that was installed in 1976. Very little maintenance has been required--everything works perfectly--and the sound is just as full and rich today as it was when it was installed. It really is a joy to play. >>   Dick, based on my experience as an Electronics Technician, you have a rare instrument there. I am glad that you enjoy it so much and it's reliable.   I once played a Rodgers 330 (vintage 1977) at a church in suburban Wilmington DE, and we *forever* had diode proiblems, and the computer capture action was temperamental. If they had to pay $65. an hour for service, they would have been MUCH better off getting a tracker organ.   The electro-mechanical burp boxes are very reliable (the tracker organ of electrics?) but most us aren't fond of them tonally!   Thanks for sharing.   Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: Theatre Organ top 10 From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:36:59 -0500   Nick Grbac wrote: > 7) Wicks (200+)   Does Wicks still make theatre organs?? I was looking through their warehouse in another part of Highland, and noticed several new TO parts (percussions mostly). I even looked at a tremulant as a possible addition to my Wicks classical organ.   Anyway,   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Theatre Organ top 10 From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:05:45 -0500   >Nick Grbac wrote: >> 7) Wicks (200+) > >Does Wicks still make theatre organs?? I was looking through their >warehouse in another part of Highland, and noticed several new TO parts >(percussions mostly). I even looked at a tremulant as a possible >addition to my Wicks classical organ. > Yes Kevin - WICKS will still make a TO if you want one!!    
(back) Subject: Re: Theatre Organ top 10 From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:14:03 -0500   David Scribner wrote: > Yes Kevin - WICKS will still make a TO if you want one!!   I played the one in their aircraft division building. It sounded and looked strongly like a WurliTzer. It was an enjoyable experience. That particular one was for sale, and included a mahogany expression box with plexi- or glass swell shades. My little Wicks stock organ trem, when adjusted properly, and with the pipes slightly out of tune, will nicly produce a smaller theatre sound...   Thanks,   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com