PipeChat Digest #413 - Sunday, June 14, 1998
 
Internet Relay Chat tonight at 9.00 pm EDT
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Kimball organ, Worcester MA
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #412 - 06/12/98
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #412 - 06/12/98
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #412 - 06/12/98
  by "Vox Celeste" <voxceleste@mailexcite.com>
Re: Westminster Abbey
  by "David McPeak" <dm726@delphi.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #412 - 06/12/98
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
George Formby
  by "Jenny Moon" <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk>
new member
  by "Mark Hammond" <mhammond@btinternet.com>
Re: new member
  by <Shakehip@aol.com>
Re: ?changing sound of Conn organ?
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: My New/Old 1936 Wicks Pipe Organ (residence organ)
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: Electric organs
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Conn organ sounds.
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: Lead.
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: ?changing sound of Conn organ?
  by <Aeolianorg@aol.com>
Antique White Console Refinishing
  by <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Re: George Formby
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
Re: new member
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
ADMIN POSTING - IMPORTANT  ALL READ!
  by "Aministrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: My New/Old 1936 Wicks Pipe Organ (residence organ)
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
 


(back) Subject: Internet Relay Chat tonight at 9.00 pm EDT From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:58:16 -0400   Welcome to all PipeChatters!   Just to remind all our Pipechat-l members that we are on live this evening.   Come and join in the "chat" with the regulars and put in your "tuppence-worth".   Have a look in our Web page, http://www.pipechat.org if you are not too sure of what you do to join us. It is all explained how it works.   See you there, - any time after 9.00 EDT.         Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> http://www.greenford.demon.co.uk/bob/   Classics Director CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz Radio Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 CANADA         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> http://www.greenford.demon.co.uk/bob/   Classics Director CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz Radio Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 CANADA        
(back) Subject: Kimball organ, Worcester MA From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:11:03 -0400   John DaSilva has an excellent article about the AUD Kimball pipe organ in today's Telegram & Gazette. Parts of it may be found on the website: http://www.telegram.com/oped/organ.htm   An additional article appeared in yesterday's paper, to clarify this discussion see: http://www.telegram.com/news/final/kotorgan.htm   This is in response to the first Committee meeting held on Tuesday of this week to determine the fate of the 6000+ pipes of the 1933 Kimball concert organ in the Worcester War Memorial Auditorium. The Committee will meet again next week.  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #412 - 06/12/98 From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:06:55 EDT   In a message dated 98-06-12 04:58:05 EDT, you write:   > PROMOTION OF TO CONCERTS > by <steve.lamanna@tavsnet.com> > Wichita Theatre Organ > by <steve.lamanna@tavsnet.com> > Re: Billy Nalle's Address? > by <ComposerTX@aol.com> >  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #412 - 06/12/98 From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:08:10 EDT   In a message dated 98-06-12 04:58:05 EDT, you write:   > Re: Wichita Theatre Organ > by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net> > Re: Billy Nalle's Address? > by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net> > Re: The Strawberry Concerts, Westbury NY (x-post) > by <mewzishn@spec.net> > Re: Cross posting to all organ lists. > by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net> > Re: The Strawberry Concerts, Westbury NY (x-post) > by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net> > Re: The Strawberry Concerts > by "Vox Celeste" <voxceleste@mailexcite.com> >  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #412 - 06/12/98 From: "Vox Celeste" <voxceleste@mailexcite.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:22:06 -0700   <MUSCUR@aol.com> wrote on Sat, 13 Jun 1998   >In a message dated 98-06-12 04:58:05 EDT, you write:   >> Re: Wichita Theatre Organ >> by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net> >> Re: Billy Nalle's Address? >> by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net> >> Re: The Strawberry Concerts, Westbury NY (x-post) >> by <mewzishn@spec.net> >> Re: Cross posting to all organ lists. >> by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net> >> Re: The Strawberry Concerts, Westbury NY (x-post) >> by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net> >> Re: The Strawberry Concerts >> by "Vox Celeste" <voxceleste@mailexcite.com> >>     When I am tossed into a mixed bag of people like this, I just have to wonder why.   Maestro James' point is.............??     Sincerely,   Vox Celeste     Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Westminster Abbey From: David McPeak <dm726@delphi.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:27:28 -0600     On 1998-06-12 bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk said: >Hi. >I have had several people email me asking where they can find the >article on Westminster Abbey. >This article appeared in the NY Times on Wednesday, and was availabe >on the WWW. Each day the NY Times homepage is updated to the new >edition of the paper. >I have spent about an hour this afternoon trying to find the article >in question. Unfortunatly it is no longer available as the latest >edition of the paper is now making up the homepage. However, if you >want a copy of the article you can purchase a copy for a small >price over the internet. >All the details can be found on the NY Times homepage at: >http://www.nytimes.com >You need to go to the 365 day archives and search for Westminster >Abbey. The details should will appear. Can I also add that to get >into the homepage you need to subscribe. This is free of charge if >you are resident in the USA, but there is a charge if you are >outside of the USA. The first month is free. >Sorry not to be able to help anymore. >Regards. >Jen. >bfus7@central.sussex.ac.uk >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >:::: Note: opinions expressed on PIPORG-L are those of the >individual con- tributors and not necessarily those of the list >owners nor of the Uni- versity at Albany. >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >:::: Greetings all,   You can get this article by going to the NYT web site, registering (free) if you are in this country(US) and got to the archives. You can get certain articles free and there is a free trial period also and you get a 10 article trial of the service before you are asked to pay. I got a copy that way, it will come in a HTML file so you need to convert or have a browser and print it from there Dave McPeak   Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #412 - 06/12/98 From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:39:03 -0400   >When I'm tossed into a mixed bag of people >like this, I just have to wonder why.   Scary, ain't it! heh heh heh   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: George Formby From: Jenny Moon <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:50:00 BST     Hi.   I was in the pub last night (for a change, don't think bad of me, I was on the cola), and someone was trying to convince me that George Formby (I don't know if he made it in the USA) was an accomplished Organist with an interest in organ building.   I have been a big fan of that great man for many years and and know quite alot about him, but I didn't know that, and feel sure I would have done if it were true. I wonder if anybody else has heard this and can tell me anymore.   Jen.   bfus7@central.sussex.ac.uk   "Turned out nice again" (GF's catch phrase if you didn'y know!:))      
(back) Subject: new member From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:12:09 +0100   Hello all!   Greetings from a new member of PipeChat. My name is Mark Hammond and I live in Harrow, NW London. I am currently Assistant Director of Music at a girls' independent school although I have been in my time a Cambridge organ scholar and can count Martin Neary among my former teachers. My web site (address at the end) will give you a little more information wish to investigate. I look forward to some interesting conversations and making new friends.   Mark Hammond (mhammond@btinternet.com) http://www.btinternet.com/~mhammond/index.htm      
(back) Subject: Re: new member From: <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:13:24 EDT   Hey, we've got a HAMMOND on the list... I'm no longer alone... whoopeeeeee ! ! !   Welcome to the List...   - - Ed  
(back) Subject: Re: ?changing sound of Conn organ? From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:38:02 -0400     On Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:34:11 -0400 James Burkholder <jburkhol@raex.com> writes: >I have a Conn model 830. It is a fine instument, but is a bit >screechy >(?sp). It was recently tuned, and if anything, this made it more so. >Anyone out there with expertise in this instrument have any comments >about >whether there is a way to adjust its sound to make it more mellow? > Conn strings were designed to be used in full theatre ensembles, NOT by themselves.   If you have a "MODIFIER" like I do, try using the mellow one.   The Conn organs are fairly simple to understand. If you sit down and study the schematics very well, you';; be able to figure it out.   Godd Luck! Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: My New/Old 1936 Wicks Pipe Organ (residence organ) From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:02:43 -0400   Great Job!   Yes, I;m back.   I like your story! It has pizzaazz! The only question I have is this. HOW MANY DAYS OF SCHOOL HAVE YOU MISSED????   I myself am thinking of installing my OWN pipe organ. But, this would be both pipe and electric voices. Electric for the 16' Bourdon and Principal and the Reeds. (and the bottom octave of the 8' ranks. The room is only 6 1/2' tall. There is no possible way to get the 8' stops in the room on one chest without tipping them sideways.)   >From first glance, it looks like you will have many great registations available to cover a pretty good range of music. I wish I could get an organ in my grandparents place in the basement. Now that I live 6 blocks away from the church and I DON'T DRIVE YET!!!!! :-)   I have nothing else to say right now, but if you want to chat, just give me a "click"   Later Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Electric organs From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:00:24 -0400   Hi! I'm back again.   I have followed this thread and have seen the talk about electric organs against pipe organs.   I feel that if you don't have the space, an electronic would work. But, on the other hand, if you DO have the space, a pipe organ would work. If you have the space for a couple of ranks, decide which stops youu would like to be real, and then augment the present ranks with electric ranks.   My High School has got several people who play the organ and would like to have some practice time whan they have absolutely NOTHING to do during study halls. (their work is alll done and they are Juniors and Seniors) So, I was thinking about talking the School (or distric) into purchasing an electronic organ for the High School Auditorium. The organ would have to be movable, of course. But, the auditorium doesn't have much space for pipes, but they DO have just enough space for speakers.   Now, only if I could persuade the distric to purchase one. (If they have the money to rebuild three schools, they certainly have enough money to purchase a $75,000 electronic organ!   Regards. Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Conn organ sounds. From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:42:23 -0400   I must say, there is no EASY way to re ajdust your sounds on your Conn.   I am a fellow Conn owner. I own a 550 type 2. I am VERY pleased with the sounds, but I am NOT fond of the manuals or pedalboard. (Theatrette Style)   The Conn Strings are not really designed for solo work or "string ensamble" work. They were designed for "total ensemble" registrations.   The only way I find that the strings sound good for "string ensambles" is the Modifier. These are usually 6 (or any number of buttons) located over the top manual and in the center of the rail. mine has a "4 Mellow" button with makes them sound a 'little' better.   The main reason that the strings sound that way, are because your probably uses pulse waves to generate the pitch signal. I have yet failed to try different tone generator waves o see if I can get a better sound. (Mostly because I have NO idea where to get them!)   The Conn Organs are known for their flutes. The flutes use sine waves to produce the pitch signals and are keyed (in most organs) a different way than the 'pulse' or 'complex' signals.   If you would like any other help (from a person who has built, YES built, his own Conn, literally 'rewired' an entire Conn, done several tunings, and has replaced a pedal spring contact once.) just ask!   Regards Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Lead. From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:34:31 -0400   >I have already mentioned today that I am assisting with some repairs >to an organ. Its mainly leather work, ie, power motors, purses etc. > >Another problem that we are looking into are some pedal notes that are > >not working. The pedals are pneumatic. From the rear of the pedal >board to the pedal sound board which is situated at the rear of the >organ, there is all the lead tubing running across the floor. It >hasn't been layed at all neatly and much of it is tangled and has >collapsed under its own weight or cracked, hence the wind aint getting > >through and the notes are not playing. > >It has been suggested that the tubing be fully replaced with plastic >tubing. The reasons for this is that it will be cheaper to buy >plastic than it would be to buy lead, and that there won't be the >problem with collapsed tubing and cracks. I have seen many organs >where the tubing has been replaced with plastic, normally an awful >looking, bright red stuff. It doesn't look as attractive or as >professional, but it seems to do the job. > >Are there any reasons why plastic tubing wouldn't do the job just as >well as lead.     I would have NO hesitations if I were you. I have used plastic in organs to make repairs and to build my own. They are all still working right now. I have even played an organ (now don't hollar at me, I'm not quite sure of the date) that was restored about 20 years ago with plastic tubing and it has worked just fine. The entire action is exhaust pneumatic action and is even better now since they decreased the diameter of the exhaust tubing. The response rate has increased almost 70 % than when the lead tubing was used.   regards Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O     _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: ?changing sound of Conn organ? From: <Aeolianorg@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:18:46 EDT   I'm certainly no expert, but could it be the speakers?  
(back) Subject: Antique White Console Refinishing From: <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:39:50 EDT   Hi Fellow "Listers":   I have a Rodgers Custom 340 Theatre Organ ( 3 manual, AGO pedals) that I am considering refinishing. The organ was built in the late 1970's and is currently white (actually antique white or ivory) with gold embellishments, but the finish is beginning to need refurbishment. AlsoI will probably add a double bolster stoprail and a dogleg type organ bench in the near future and have to match the finish anyway!   I would like to go back to the original color of antique white and would appreciate hearing from any of our list members who have refinished their pianos, organs, or whatever in antique white. The commercial refinishers (Minwax, Formby, etc.) seem to be silent on antique white colors and I would appreciate the opportunity to learn from the experiences of others BEFORE I jump in this project.   Thanks for you help!   Best wishes, Bob Acker    
(back) Subject: Re: George Formby From: Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:01:18 -0700   Jenny Moon wrote: > ... George Formby (I don't know if he made it in the USA) was an accomplished > Organist with an interest in organ building.   Didn't his brother Homer make it big in the furniture refinishing field? :-)))   -- Mac Hayes mach37@ptw.com Cogito per aspera    
(back) Subject: Re: new member From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:48:33 -0400   >We have a Hammond on the list.... I'm no >longer alone ... whoopeeeeee!   Um, maybe you'd better read his bio before you get your drawbars out of line!!! hehehehe   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ........... A dog teaches a boy fidelity, perseverence, and to turn around three times before lying down. --Robert Benchley  
(back) Subject: ADMIN POSTING - IMPORTANT ALL READ! From: Aministrator <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:51:21 -0500   Tomorrow morning I leave to start my way to Denver for the two conventions and this brings up a couple of points that you all need to be aware of.   1.) If you are going to be going away, either to one of the Conventions or for other travel, PLEASE, PLEASE unsubscribe from the list for the duration. Otherwise, once your mailbox gets full then we start getting "Bounced Mail" messages back to the list server. Since I won't be here to deal with them the less we get the better it is for the health of the server.   2.) I have made arrangements for Ophicleide, who some of you may know from the list, to be on stand-by to take care of any server problems in my absence. But since he lives across town, it may take a little time for him to get here to deal with any problems once he discovers them. So please be patient, if the list seems to be "down" especially after you have sent a posting to it. Only resend a posting if it hasn't appeared on the list in 24 hours.   I will, of course, be checking my email a couple of times a day while I am gone but if there is a problem the response time will be somewhat longer. Pete will be monitoring the list for the next couple of weeks but since he will also be in Denver for the AGO Convention, the response time from both of us during that week will be slow.   I have had very little response from the members of the list about attendance at either of the conventions but I will try to make arrangements to have some sort of get together at each convention.   Looking forward to meeting some of you in Denver and best wishs for a good summer.   David ********************************** David Scribner BI Consulting 4775 Balmoral Drive Pensacola, FL 32504-9174 850-478-9635 - Voice 850-476-0711 - Fax david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Re: My New/Old 1936 Wicks Pipe Organ (residence organ) From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:06:21 -0400   Jason, You mentioned installing your OWN pipe organ but using electronics for the Bourdon 16 and the Principal 8. Do investigate the pipe possibilities before you do this, especially since the principal 8 is THE MOST IMPORTANT stop in the organ. Low CC on the Bourdon 16 would only be 9 or so feet tall and could, indeed, be placed horizontally (Bourdonchamade!! ;-) ) and tubes on the main chest if you don't have a separate chest for the pedal. The lowest notes of the 8' stops on the chest could have stopped basses as much as necessary, and to save space could even have common basses; Haskel basses are also a possibility. Be careful and don't take the easy way out because it looks easier or cheaper. Remember, you still have to listen to it!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ........... A dog teaches a boy fidelity, perseverence, and to turn around three times before lying down. --Robert Benchley