PipeChat Digest #285 - Thursday, March 5, 1998
 
Holy Name Casavant
  by <rnickel@itol.com>
Re: CD Problem
  by Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Questions on French Composers
  by Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Re: Questions on French Composers
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
Re: Questions on French Composers
  by Jim Zimmerman <zimmerman@chem.purdue.edu>
Questions on French Composers
  by Randolph Runyon <runyonr@po.muohio.edu>
(fwd) Re: Estey 2MP organ
  by Dr Edward Peterson <epeterso@madison.tdsnet.com>
Re: Questions on French Composers - Dupré
  by Jonathan M Orwig <giwro@juno.com>
Re: Thoughts regarding insurance benefits for Organbuilders (X-posted)
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Conn Pipe Speakers - Cross Posted
  by Gregory F. Klingler <klingler@IDT.NET>
Questions on French Composers
  by Judy A. Ollikkala <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Holy Name Casavant
  by Judy A. Ollikkala <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Questions on French Composers
  by Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net>
Re: Conn Pipe Speakers - Cross Posted
  by Tibia 8 <Tibia8@aol.com>
Re: Conn Pipe Speakers -
  by GHamil9709 <GHamil9709@aol.com>
Re: Questions on French Composers
  by FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Questions on French Composers
  by Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net>
Re: Questions on French Composers
  by FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Shoes
  by Tnbirke <Tnbirke@aol.com>
First Congo LA gets a Swann Song?
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
 


(back) Subject: Holy Name Casavant From: rnickel@itol.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:44:09 -0600 (CST)   Still waiting to see if anyone has info. (stop list, specs.) on the Holy Name "baby organ" in the front of the sanctuary.   Bob Nickel    
(back) Subject: Re: CD Problem From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:44:46 -0600   Just wanted to thank those of you who sent me suggestions regarding my defective Enya CD. I took it into the local CD shop where I do most of my buying, and while the manager didn't agree with any of your findings, including the Bronzing Theory, he was only too glad to exchange the old CD for a new one. I'm already planning on copying it to tape, and playing only the tape in the future.   All's well that ends well! Gee, I wish I'd said that....   \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Questions on French Composers From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:55:08 -0600   Howdy, Y'All!   After having studied several of Franck's works with my organ teacher, I told her that I'd like to study some more music by other French composers. Expecting to be shown music by Saint-Saens and Guilmant, I was a bit surprised to be loaned books by Dupre and Vierne, as well as the toccata in B minor by Gigout.   Perhaps she has more experience in Dupre and Vierne, so I'll go along with her for now, but I have absolutely no knowledge of either of these composers or their works (yes, I know, I've led a sheltered life, haven't I?). My teacher loaned me "15 Antiphons" by Dupre and Vol 2 of the "24 Pieces in Free Style" by Vieren. I have no trouble sight-reading the simpler pieces such as Vierne's "Lied" and his "Arabesque", as well as the first 3 of 4 pieces based on an Ave Maria Stellis in D-minor by Dupre, I was wondering if there are other gems in these collections that might escape me unless I actually sit down and learn them? Also, I imagine that I will eventually present some of these pieces to my congregation, and I do not want to risk "turning them off" by playing works that are long and dissonant, so this is one criterion that I cannot ignore.   Finally, are the Vierne 24 Pieces published by anybody other than Durand? My teacher said that each of the two volumes runs $30-40, which is a bit steep, if you ask me.   Thanks for your help! Knowing this list, I feel confident that I'm going to get some really great answers to my questions.   Regards, \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Re: Questions on French Composers From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:27:46 -0600   Vernon Moeller wrote about French organ music by Franck,Gigout, Dupre,etc.   Have you tried "Variations on a Noel" by Dupre? It's a great peice of music, however you have to take out a 30 year mortgage to pay for a copy of the music from France. The quality of the paper it's printed on is lousy. It's like newspaper.   Just a side note: My organ teacher was a student of Dupre. He insisted the proper way of playing the pedals was with the knees together. It makes logic but I hated it.   Dick  
(back) Subject: Re: Questions on French Composers From: Jim Zimmerman <zimmerman@chem.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:45:44 -0500   At 08:55 AM 3/4/98 -0600, Vernon Moeller wrote:   >Finally, are the Vierne 24 Pieces published by anybody other than >Durand? My teacher said that each of the two volumes runs $30-40, >which is a bit steep, if you ask me. > The Vierne 24 pieces are also published by Master Music Publishing Co. I just happen to have my Patti Music catalog at the office today. Prices are: Volume 1, $8.10; Volume 2, $8.95. I've not seen the Durand books, but these work just fine for me. Patti Music is on the web at www.pattimusic.com. I've found their service to be excellent.   As for Dupre, I'm not crazy about much of his music. But I do LOVE Cortege et Litanie (Corsage and Lingerie?). That would certainly be worth the effort. IMHO, it would make a great Easter prelude.   >Thanks for your help! >   You're most welcome!   ** Jim Zimmerman zimmerman@chem.purdue.edu **    
(back) Subject: Questions on French Composers From: runyonr@po.muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:57:51 -0500   Vernon Moeller asked if a cheap edition exists of Vierne's "Twenty-four Pieces in Free Style." Masters Music Publications, Inc. publishes both volumes at $8.95 each. That at least was the price two or three years ago. There are several lovely pieces suitable for preludes in that collection, especially "Berceuse", "Preambule" and "Prelude". Among Dupr=E9's 15 Antiphons I like "I am black but comely", "How Fair and how Pleasant art Thou", the very Bach-ish "So now as we Journey...", "Amen-Finale", "My Soul doth Magnify...", "He hath put down the mighty", "He remembering his mercy...". amd the "Gloria-Finale." There are some quite beautiful yet simple pieces in Dupr=E9's "Sixteen Chorales (Le Tombeau de Titelouze)": "Hearken, Merciful Creator", "Before the End of Day", "Supreme Creator of the Light" and "O Christ, Forgive Thy Servants".   Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu Organist and Music Director, Norwood Christian Church (Cincinnati, OH) Professor of French, Miami University (Oxford, OH)      
(back) Subject: (fwd) Re: Estey 2MP organ From: epeterso@madison.tdsnet.com (Dr Edward Peterson) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:08:22 -0500   Anyone who might be interested in an Estey T (2M/P) for a practice organ is encouraged to send a pvt. msg to Mr. Yockey.   {And, for all the helpful information on Rimmer Motors, hang around for the next issue of the ROS Quarterly - *everything* you ever wanted to know (and quite a bit more!) about Rimmers will be in that issue.]   ----------   <FWD MAIL> On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 05:36:05 GMT, Wayne Yockey <yockeys@swbell.net> wrote to ROSnotL:   <some snippage> > >I recently posted some information about an Estey Studio organ to be >auctioned off by a church in Kansas City. The organ is as pictured on >pp. 164 of the newer "Gellerman" book. > >I saw it again last week as they had found the drive chain and connected >the Rimmer blowing machine. It worked, by cracky! It could probably >stand some adjustment since the Rimmer clutch seemed to be engaging to >often causing insufficient air reduction. The organ did not have a >robust sound on some stops but as far as I could tell the bellows cloth >was not failing. > >Only a couple of reeds did not speak and there were no ciphers. The >cabinet is good and includes the wooden cabinet/cover for the Rimmer and >a bench. The pedals all worked. > >The action could stand some regulation for more key travel and level to >really feel like a nice instrument but it is definitely not a basket >case or a major fixer-upper. > >I'm not advertising for the church but I have received some messages >from listers that this is a pretty collectable and coveted organ so I >would hate to see it fall into the wrong hands. Unfortunately, my hands >(and house, and garage, and shop, and friends basements...) are also >full so I must pass it by. Some worthy ro-phile should rescue this >instrument! > >If anyone is interested e-mail me privately and I can get you more >information. > >Sincerely, > >Wayne Yockey >yockeys@swbell.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Questions on French Composers - Dupré From: giwro@juno.com (Jonathan M Orwig) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:30:41 -0800   Howdy, Vernon,   Dupré wrote quite a bit of music for the organ - some of it is so difficult that it is hardly worth the time to learn it if it is just for a service. As several others have mentioned there are good pieces in both the 15 Antiphons and the Tombeau de Titelouze. I would add to that the prelude on "In Dulci Jubilo" from the 79 chorales. I believe at one time it was available separately from the entire collection, which Dupré wrote as a preparatory to the study of Bach's Orgelbüchlein. Madame Dupré said this was her favorite of all of his compositions, and referred to it as "the Virgin's Cradle Song". (BTW, the first exposure I had to this piece was a recording by Robert Noehren at 1st Prez Trenton NJ - Bill Miller, are you reading this?)   There are also some nice short pieces in his book of 24 inventions for organ - 2 vol. and expensive, as all the French stuff is, though. The Op. 7 P+F's (Gm, Bm and Fm) are great pieces, although difficult. I also enjoy the Op. 36 P+F's (Em, Ab, and C) although I have never been able to get anything but portions of them under my fingers - they are very "symphonic" and seem to require six fingers on each hand and three feet! **************** Jonathan Orwig Bethany Church, Redlands, CA Evensong Music, Media and Graphics - Organ, Keyboard & Choral Music http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Re: Thoughts regarding insurance benefits for Organbuilders (X-posted) From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:37:08 -0500   Richard Schneider wrote about the benefits package problem in the organ building industry. I'm just blowing this out from under my hat, but is there a possibility that, since most organ builders and their employees are organists, too, that there is some way they could come in under the umbrella of the AGO insurance plans offered to Guild members. If not, it seems that there is enough overlap of employees that it might be a possibility somehow. Just thought (well, as close as I can get to one -- hehehe)   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Conn Pipe Speakers - Cross Posted From: "Gregory F. Klingler" <klingler@IDT.NET> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:19:37 -0500   Hi,   Looking for the following sets of Conn Electronic Pipes:   1 large, right elevation; 1, medium left / right elevation; and 2 small left / right elevation. All gold tone. Please e-mail privately with price and location, etc.   Thanks,   Greg    
(back) Subject: Questions on French Composers From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:15:08 -0500   Out of the Dupre collection of Antiphons, I use the "I am Black but Comely" and the Fifth Antiphon "How Fair and How Pleasant art Thou" for church pieces. Check them out, they are not difficult.  
(back) Subject: Holy Name Casavant From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:15:10 -0500   The Casavant Opus list has a one manual tracker with 4 ranks, Opus 3537 of 1981 in Holy Name Cathedral, Chicago  
(back) Subject: Re: Questions on French Composers From: Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:21:20 -0500 (EST)   Dit Vernon Moeller,   >I was wondering if there are other gems in these collections that might escape me >unless I actually sit down and learn them?   I'm partial to Vierne's Carillon de Longpont (#21 in the Masters edition). It was, however, listed as one of the "stupid" organ works in a discussion a while ago on one or another of these lists. I find that the regular, everyday churchgoing crowd likes it, because it has a theme, and you can hear the theme throughout, even when he does strange things to it. It's not especially hard to play, but watch the articulation on the second section after the pedals stop playing the theme. I also like the Berceuse (#19), and so do elderly women. It doesn't seem to put them to sleep like the name suggests it would, though.   -Stephen    
(back) Subject: Re: Conn Pipe Speakers - Cross Posted From: Tibia 8 <Tibia8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:58:00 EST   How many different sets of pipe speakers did Conn make?  
(back) Subject: Re: Conn Pipe Speakers - From: GHamil9709 <GHamil9709@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:45:34 EST   In a message dated 98-03-04 19:03:04 EST, you write:   << How many different sets of pipe speakers did Conn make? >>   My original brochure for CONN pipe speakers shows the following:   "Conn Electronic Pipes are available in three tonal ranges: mini, treble and low. "Treble range pipes (Series145) Type 1 = Symmetrical Type 2 = right elevation Type 3 = left elevation 42 1/2" wide; 8 1/4" deep; 34" high Weight 18 pounds   (Series 144 mini) Type 2 = right elevation Type 3 = left elevation 21" wide; 8 1/2" deep; 29 7/8" high Weight 17 1/2 pounds (Series 146 (Low Range) Type 2 = right elevation Type 3 = left elevation 42 1/2 " wide; 8 1/4" deep; 63 1/2' high Weight 40 pounds   Base finished in walnut. Pipes finished in gold or silver color."   Gene Hamilton -- Indianapolis  
(back) Subject: Re: Questions on French Composers From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:19:24 EST     << At 08:55 AM 3/4/98 -0600, Vernon Moeller wrote: >Finally, are the Vierne 24 Pieces published by anybody other than >Durand? My teacher said that each of the two volumes runs $30-40, >which is a bit steep, if you ask me. > >>   Hi listers. Are any of you near a public library which has organ music? Philadelphia (PA) has a tremendous collection of organ music available for circulation in its main building on Logan Square downtown. Although Philly is a large city, of course, perhaps other places also have a library with organ music to lend?!   Peace, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: Questions on French Composers From: Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:26:37 -0500 (EST)   >Are any of you near a public library which has organ music?   In Columbia, SC, the music library for the University of South Carolina has a great many scores available for checkout and copying for purposes of learning. It was there that I got my first look at the Suite Gothique, which I have just finished learning. The only drawback is that you have to be a university student to carry any of it out of the library. My mother gets it for me when I really want it (she's a grad student, though not in music).   -Stephen    
(back) Subject: Re: Questions on French Composers From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:36:41 EST     << It was there that I got my first look at the Suite Gothique, which I have just finished learning. >>   Keep at it, Stephen! That work, in particular, will serve you well over the years. I've played the Toccata many times at recitals... One writer, in TAO magazine, told of how he heard Dr. Courboin play that same piece once at St. Patrick's in NYC as a postlude, and was mesmerized.   Now go after the Alain LITANIES!   Peace, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: Shoes From: Tnbirke <Tnbirke@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:16:38 EST       I had a problem getting suitable organ shoes and finally obtained a pair of Capezio tap shoes (without the taps). The local shoe store had to order them for me as I have a small foot (5 1/2). I have used them for three years now.   However, in January at the Chorister's Guild Midwinter Workshop in Dallas, the organ clinician, Joyce Jones of Baylor University, highly recommended the Organmaster shoes. She said that they have a slightly higher heel than the Capezios which she wore for years and really made a difference in her playing. I'm going to get myself a pair soon.   Organmaster ordering information is in every issue of The American Organist (known in the business as "the magazine"). Address is Organmaster Shoes, 282 Stepstone Hill, Guilford, CT 06437, phone 203-453-1973.   Good luck   Mary Birkett Bartlesville, OK  
(back) Subject: First Congo LA gets a Swann Song? From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 01:28:16 +0000   What's this rumor I hear about Fred Swann leaving the Silica Basilica (Glass Menagerie, Crystal Cathedral) for First Congo, LA, Calif? Any substance?   Ken Sybesma