PipeChat Digest #308 - Wednesday, March 25, 1998
 
Cross-posted:  Organ Recitals/Music at Sheffield Cathedral,  England
  by "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
goodbye
  by "Karl Fischer" <karl_der_kaiser@hotmail.com>
Petition for software guarantee
  by "Steven Margison" <mgcfngrs@ameritech.net>
Space Music
  by "karencl@worldnet.att.net" <karencl@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Who Is????
  by "Jim H" <BALD1@prodigy.net>
Re: Recitals at Southwell Minster, Nottinghamshire, England
  by "Jim H" <BALD1@prodigy.net>
Re: Dissonance
  by "Jim H" <BALD1@prodigy.net>
Re: Introduction
  by "Jim H" <BALD1@prodigy.net>
Re: Praise choruses
  by "Jim H" <BALD1@prodigy.net>
Re: Great Performers
  by "Jim H" <BALD1@prodigy.net>
Friday April 3rd Silent Movie/Chicago
  by "TonyIn219" <TonyIn219@aol.com>
Re: Who Is????
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re[2]: Who Is????
  by "Robert Ehrhardt" <ehr@softdisk.com>
Re: Space Music
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Who Is????
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Re[2]: Who Is????
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Introduction
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: Introduction
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
RE: Re: Organ Recitals/Music at Sheffield Cathedral
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
RE:Re: Friday April 3rd Silent Movie/Chicago
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Who Is????
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Who Is????
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ Society
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ Society
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
 


(back) Subject: Cross-posted: Organ Recitals/Music at Sheffield Cathedral, England From: Cheryl C Hart <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:46:41 GMT   The new organ is a four-manual Copeman Hart. =20 Recitals are on Tuesdays at 7.30 pm. Admission at the door =A36.   21st April SIMON JOHNSON Organ Scholar, St Paul's Cathedral   12th May ANN PAGE =20 Cambridge. =20 Gives a complete performance of Le Livre du Saint Sacrement by Messiaen   9th June GORDON STEWART Kirklees Borough Organist   7th July COLIN WALSH Lincoln Cathedral   ------------------ Music for Passiontide and Easter -=20   PASSION SUNDAY 29th March, 6.30 pm J S Bach's setting of the Passion according to St John. In place of Evenson, this performance features the Cathedral Chamber Choir, invited orchestra and soloists. Tickets =A38.   PALM SUNDAY 5th April, 10.30 am Sung Eurcharist and blessing of the psalms, with procession to the cross in Fargate. Sung by the Boy Choristers and Songmen of the Cathedral Choir.   MAUNDY THURSDAY 9th April, 7.30 pm Eucharist of the Last Supper sung by the Girl Chorissters and Songmen of the Cathedral Choir. Music by Walton, Durufle, Bairstow and Casals. One of the highlights of the musical and liturgical year.   GOOD FRIDAY 10th April, 10.00 am Liturgy for Good Friday sung by the Boy Choristers and Songmen, and at 7.30 pm The Girl Choristers give a liturgical performance of Pergolesi's moving Stabat Mater.   EASTER EVE 11th April. 7.30 pm Liturgy for Easter Eve with the Songmen: music is Durufle's thrilling Messe Cum Jubilo.   EASTER SUNDAY 12th April, 10.30 am Sung Eucharist for Easter Day with the Cathedral Choir and Orchestra; music is Mozart's Coronation Mass.               COPEMAN HART & COMPANY LTD Church Organ Builders IRTHLINGBOROUGH Northamptonshire ENGLAND NN9 5TZ=09   http://www.copemanhart.co.uk =20 Tel +44 (0)1933 652600 Fax +44 (0)1933 652288 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ US CONSULTANCY: Copeman Hart - America 107 East Pasadena Road OAK RIDGE TN 37830-5112   Email Cpmnhartus@aol.com Tel 423 482 8600 Fax 423 482 8600 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AUSTRALIAN CONSULTANCY: Copeman Hart - Australia 60 Memorial Avenue ST IVES NSW 2075   Email hamilton.stives@bigpond.com Tel 0414 477 352 or 02 9983 9775 Fax 02 9983 9709 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    
(back) Subject: goodbye From: "Karl Fischer" <karl_der_kaiser@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:35:49 GMT   I need to unsubscribe, because I can't keep my e-mail account small enough. I'll go another week, but then I'll be done. this list has offered a lot of info that I've needed. I just never have enough time to manage my e-mail acount. thanx for all of your help!!!   in good news...I found a jesse crawford record (78rpm, kinda thick) in a bunch of records the cross center gave to my mom. It's out of an alblum of 6 or 8. Ave Maria both sides...Bach/gunod and (liszt?)... our record player sucks, so it sounds worse than it would on the old victrolas it was meant for.   karl fischer     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Petition for software guarantee From: Steven Margison <mgcfngrs@ameritech.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:59:16 -0600   (Off topic for the organ groups, but relevant nonetheless....)   There is an online petition sponsored by Ziff-Davis Publications to the effect that software vendors should offer money-back guarantees like other everyday consumer and commercial products. Too often we buy software that: a) doesn't work as advertised; b) has bugs; c) doesn't live up to advertising hype; d) conflicts with other software or hardware; e) in some other way does not meet our expectations.   In only very rare cases is the software returnable and refundable. (Symantec and Intuit are leaders in the money-back field.) Most software companies will not take the product back, and worse yet, will often charge you to report bugs or incompatibilities. None of us would put up with this nonsense in other products -- why do we put up with it for software? The petition will be submitted to the software industry to encourage a change in this policy. Other Ziff-Davis petition efforts in the past have actually made a positive difference. Perhaps this one will, too. I encourage any of you that have ever wished for a refund for some shrink-wrapped crud to hop to this site and sign the petition. Within the next 24 hours this site will also be accessible from my web page. As a computer professional, and one who takes pride in creating software for my employers that is as problem free as possible, I take this issue very seriously. Quality control in the software industry, especially for shrink-wrapped products, is a joke. Enough is enough!   go to: http://www.anchordesk.com/smbg/index.html     |===================== Steve Margison =====================| |=== Staff Organist, Tivoli Theatre, Downers grove, IL ===| |Organs, Theatres, Ham Radio, Lots of things at my WebSite:| |==== http://www.ameritech.net/users/mgcfngrs/home.htm ====|  
(back) Subject: Space Music From: "karencl@worldnet.att.net" <karencl@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:38:42 -0800   Hi Listers: A bit off topic, but Bruce's mention of space music prompted me to recommend to you one of my favorite radio programs, Music From The Hearts of Space, which is broadcast on public radio from 10PM to midnight on Sunday evenings on the east coast. For the most part, it is wonderfully soothing music - much of it done electronically - and to me it is fascinating. I'm not much into celtic music or primal chants, as they sometimes feature, but for the most part, it's great. Hearts of Space has a web site: http://www.hos.com and you can subscribe to the weekly playlist and receive it automatically by email for free. To quote from their web site: "Each show is an uninterrupted 58 minute musical journey, crafted to create a psychologically stimulating, physically relaxing ambience." The program is the brainchild of producer Stephen Hill. Tune in and try it out. Well, here we get TWO programs back to back, from 10 till midnight. Karen  
(back) Subject: Re: Who Is???? From: Jim H <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:55:56 -0600   Glenda wrote: > > Many do not know this, but Bruce as a child ran away and joined the circus. > Big Snip > Glenda Sutton > I bet they were quite the competition for the organ grinder and monkey duo.   Jim H. > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Recitals at Southwell Minster, Nottinghamshire, England From: Jim H <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:54:11 -0600   Glenda wrote: > > No, not two, not three but five postings came up! Good luck with the > concert. > > Glenda Sutton > Whooh, and I thought the multiple posting problem was mine, dead battery and all.   Jim H. > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Dissonance From: Jim H <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:39:53 -0600   Cheryl C Hart wrote: > > At 16:18 19/03/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Jim H wrote: > >> > >> Ken wrote: > >> > > >> > karencl@worldnet.att.net wrote: > >> > > > > > I think it must be a black hole in the internet which when full, spews out > the contents it has accumulated. > Cheryl > > > , or maybe someone has a dead battery in their pc. :) >   Jim H. > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Introduction From: Jim H <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:29:53 -0600   Bob Loesch wrote: > > At 17:33 3/23/98 -0600, Kevin Cartwright wrote: > >Well, we wouldn't know because the main organist dislikes the tremelo > >effect, and tells the church not to have them fixed, > > it > is not overdone, and is turned OFF during hymns. > > Regards, > > Bob > >Ah but Bob, some of us have used tremulant to a small degree during hymns and have gotten a very positive effect.   Jim H. "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Praise choruses From: Jim H <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:19:19 -0600   Kenneth O. Woods wrote: > > George writes: > <snip> > > (One writer in TAO expressed my thoughts pretty well when they said > something to the effect that most of them are about as uplifting as "Pop Goes > the Weasel.") > <snip> > My thoughts exactly, and can't he see the doleful faces in the congregation > during the "singing" of these choruses? > Sunday in 3 worships services and only 2 hymns, the last one being sung maybe > one Sunday per month because there's no time left. > > -- > Kenneth O. Woods kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil > >After reading some of your postings on this subject, I am only too thankful that all of our music is cleared through the music committee. The committee determines if,   1. It is Christ centered. 2. If the congregation can sing it. 3. If it will add positively to the service.   The Board of Elders, the body which is responsible for worship, as well as the pastor's earthly bosses, support and require this type of involvement.   Unfortunately, too many pastors have appointed themselves as sole authority on worship, including the music, and insist upon their views being put to practice, regardless of the practicality of such. I am sure that I would make equally dumb mistakes should I attempt to write and deliver a sermon.   Jim H. "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Great Performers From: Jim H <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:45:32 -0600   Ruth wrote: > > RE: Previous post that has been on my mind all day. Imagine, asking for "In the Garden" UGH > > > Why is it that so many pipe organ players can look down at "normal people's" music.... as > if it was too lowly and simple for them to play? > > Great is the musician who can satisfy the lowliest and the mightiest, and do so with grace > and courtesy and without pretentiousness. > > Kind of like the difference between the Ritz and the Manger in the Stable. > > Ruth >   Ruth,   Unfortunately what you are saying is true. We went through a series of posts a few months ago similar to this called Postludes, Preludes and Showing Off. However, your views seem to be aimed more at the mechanical applications of the organist.   My personal opinion is that most organists have received extensive training, and subsequently degrees, in music which centers primarily around the classics which were written specifically for the organ. They tend to focus entirely upon this type of music when choosing their preludes, postludes and other special applications. Just as unfortunate, though, the average parishioner does not have sufficient knowledge to appreciate this type of music.   As church music is designed to offer praise and glory to God, the organist would do well to take this into consideration when choosing their reportoire. A hymn that is beautifully expressed will be more apt to entice the congregation to prepare themselves for worship as a piece of music to which they cannot relate to the Christian setting.   Bach wrote many beautiful arrangements to common hymns which provide the listener with a melody line to which they can relate, but still challenge the organist by requiring the skill which playing Bach requires.   Maybe if organists would choose to learn some of these, they would get more favorable comments from their parishioners. Even though I slip in some of the more complicated pieces, I still get the most favorable comments when I play The Lord's Prayer by Mallotte, Amazing Grace, Be Still My Soul, and other well known hymns.   Jim H. > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Friday April 3rd Silent Movie/Chicago From: TonyIn219 <TonyIn219@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:33:19 EST   Don't forget the Copernicus Gateway Theatre in Chicago (5216 W. Lawrence, just west of the the Kennedy (I-94) Expressway). On Friday April 3rd they are showing "IT" starring Clara Bow.   Look for me. I'll be there. I'm usually the tallest one there -- with a goatee.   What more reason do you need to go?   John Carrington Tonyin219@aol.com Chesterton, Indiana Author: "101 Uses For Your Old Lowrey Organ"  
(back) Subject: Re: Who Is???? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:32:19 -0600 (CST)   At 07:55 PM 3/21/98 -0600, Jim H. wrote: >Glenda wrote: >> >> Many do not know this, but Bruce as a child ran away and joined the circus. >> Big Snip > >> Glenda Sutton >> >I bet they were quite the competition for the organ grinder and monkey >duo.   Not to mention the performing beagles -- or "Barker machines" as we organbuilders like to call them.   John.    
(back) Subject: Re[2]: Who Is???? From: Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:48:22 -0500   And is it also true that the beagles' favorite piece of organ music is the Chorale Prelude on "O Wither Shall I, Flea?"   -- Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com> Noel Memorial UMC,Shreveport, LA Team AMIGA    
(back) Subject: Re: Space Music From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:04:48 -0500   Karen, The first time I heard Music from the Hearts of Space I though I'd waked up in the middle of the night... dead. It does give one some interesting ideas for improvisation; useful things like propping notes down on the celestes while you go to the kitchen for a coffee refill!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Who Is???? From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:07:47 -0500   Glenda wrote: >Bruce ran away as a child and joined a circus..   Jim H wrote: >I bet they were quite the competition for the >organ grinder and monkey duo.   Bruce writes: >And I ain't tellin' who got what part!!! ;-)   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Who Is???? From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:26:20 -0800   OK, this thread is going too far afield - guys, snap back to attention.   [Aside: No, the beagles' favorite organ piece is R. Rover's Improvisation on "I wonder (and mark my territory) as I wander". Their favorite Advent hymn is "What is the baying at Jordan?"]   Basta!   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: Introduction From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:37:25 -0800   At 19:29 3/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >Bob Loesch wrote: >> if it is not overdone, and is turned OFF during hymns. >> >> >>Ah but Bob, some of us have used tremulant to a small degree during hymns and have gotten a very positive effect. > >Jim H.   Ah, Jim! You KNOW that if someone says it's OK to use A LITTLE that some people will use it all of the time. You understand; "If a little is good..." So I just say "Don't use it for hymns", and those who know what is meant by 'moderation' will use it properly. I agree that some hymn tunes are helped by a little trem. Some of the choirs I've accompanied had one or two sopranos who provided more then a little tremolo...     Regards,   Bob        
(back) Subject: Re: Introduction From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:56:09 -0500   Bob, I remember as a chorister at Christ Church Cathedral--Houston, almost being totally liquified one Sunday when Bill Barnard used the Basset Horn in the Choir division with tremolo, with flutes, coupled to the Swell with gobs-O- celestes on "Beneath the Cross of Jesus". It was truly an ethereal experience. He mentioned after the service that he regretted getting rid of the Vox Humana in the Swell when he added the Cromorne (also beautiful). He said that he wished he'd saved the Vox in a nice comfy velvet lined crate in the crypt!! I just got my tremolo fixed on the Moe; unfortunately, with a Schwimmer chest it's like trying to push an eighteen-wheeler up an on-ramp with a 4-cylinder Hundai!! Well, it definately is subtle!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: RE: Re: Organ Recitals/Music at Sheffield Cathedral From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:13:55 EST   << The new organ is a four-manual Copeman Hart. >>   Stop-list, please!   Thanks, Bill Miller, FPC Trenton NJ USA>  
(back) Subject: RE:Re: Friday April 3rd Silent Movie/Chicago From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:27:33 EST   <<John Carrington Author: "101 Uses For Your Old Lowrey Organ">>   HMMM... don't keep us in the dark (I started out on a Holiday Deluxe- cost new $1295.)... how 'bout a couple ideas to interest us in the book.. or is it like vaporware?   Peace, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: Who Is???? From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:36:20 -0500   New Age/Spaced Out Music -- appropriate to compare it with propping celeste notes --- borrrrrring and rererepetetetetive.  
(back) Subject: Re: Who Is???? From: Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:54:31 -0800   John L. Speller wrote: > ... > Not to mention the performing beagles -- or "Barker machines" as we > organbuilders like to call them.     Bravo, John. This is the best pun yet... Ken List should be green with envy!   MacH37@ptw.com    
(back) Subject: Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ Society From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:56:56 -0600     The Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ Society (ACCHOS) would like to announce the opening of its new web site at http://www.acchos.org   There are stop lists for both organs - the large 447 rank/seven manual Midmer-Losh in the main auditorium and the 55 rank/four manual Kimball in the ballroom. A number of rarely seen photographs are included along with information about how to join the ACCHOS.   David C. Scribner Director of Communications ACCHOS      
(back) Subject: Re: Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ Society From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:07:14 +0000   David Scribner wrote:   > The Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ Society (ACCHOS) would like to > announce the opening of its new web site at http://www.acchos.org   Just super! Some outstanding photographs, especially the one showing the "Tuba Maxima" details -- fascinating shallot construction -- although it's a little puzzling what the handwritten notation in the center of the picture, it looks like it says 2' printed above 2" -- I'm guessing the 2' refers to the note played by the fully assembled pipe shown (that is, middle C), but what's the 2"? Perhaps some of the parts shown are from experiments that led to the finished product?   Super work on the web site!   Ken Sybesma