PipeChat Digest #359 - Tuesday, May 5, 1998
 
Re: Traditional Catholic music
  by "RSiegel920" <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Kimball organ, Worcester
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: RECITAL RESULTS
  by "Jerry Anderson" <organist@cjnetworks.com>
June 9th-11th; Chicago; ORGAN FESTIVAL
  by "TonyIn219" <TonyIn219@aol.com>
Re: Traditional Catholic music
  by "DudelK" <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: The Silence of the Typing Hands.
  by "Myosotis51" <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: June 9th-11th; Chicago; ORGAN FESTIVAL
  by "stanley king" <seking@inforamp.net>
Re: The Silence of the Typing Hands.
  by "Satbcantor" <Satbcantor@aol.com>
Re: HELP!!!!!
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: HELP!!!!!
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: What will happen to the Kimball Organ?
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Chiff /was The Silence of the Typing Hands
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Chiff /was The Silence of the Typing Hands
  by "Satbcantor" <Satbcantor@aol.com>
Re: Chiff /was The Silence of the Typing Hands
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: The Silence of the Typing Hands.
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Chiff /was The Silence of the Typing Hands
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Ten Favorites
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Chiff /was The Silence of the Typing Hands
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: What will happen to the Kimball Organ?
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
municipal organs
  by "Ed Copeland" <edcplnd@thebestisp.com>
Re: The Silence of the Typing Hands.
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: The Silence of the Typing Hands.
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: The Silence of the Typing Hands.
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Chiff /was The Silence of the Typing Hands
  by "John (Jack) Cormack" <jackjack@erols.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Traditional Catholic music From: RSiegel920 <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 06:40:40 EDT   The "Adoremus Hymnal" has just been published by Ignatius Press, San Francisco. It contains a significant number of solid traditional hymns along with a nice collection of Gregorian Chants. It is happily missing the usual happy-slappy "dog & pony show" tunes which have lately come to define "Catholic" Liturgical practice. It is also devoid of the "sleepy-weepy" tunes which defined a large part of provincial Catholic music in the pre-Vatican II days. This Hymnal is available in a pew edition, choral edition and accompaniment edition. More info is available on their home and hymnal pages: http://www.ignatius.com/ http://www.ignatius.com/adhymnal.htm (800) 651-1531 in U.S. & Canada Hope this is of help (I have no business connection with Ignatius) R. J. Siegel Ph.D.  
(back) Subject: Kimball organ, Worcester From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:50:16 -0400   The Telegram & Gazette newspaper this morning states that work started yesterday on the basement renovations, and that is where the console is, next to the orchestra pit. Removal of rubbish is being done. Thomas Hoover's City Manager phone number is 508 -799-1175. I called that number and was told by his secretary that the organ console is being taken care of, and that he is aware of the need for protection.  
(back) Subject: Re: RECITAL RESULTS From: Jerry Anderson <organist@cjnetworks.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:28:56 -0500   I was very interested to read about your first Recital because it was a Grace Cathedral Topeka- I live in Topeka and have been organist at 1st Lutheran Church for 29 years. Who did you study with in Topeka?? I had a guest in Topeka two weeks ago, (an organist from Burhingham, ALB) and we spent a couple of hours on the Catheral Organ. What a Great organ. Jerry Anderson At 12:37 AM 5/4/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/3/98 11:18:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >JEKroep@hrn.bradley.edu writes: > ><< I just gave my first organ recital today and I am pleased to say that I > think that I did very well. Although those pesky errors sneak in, I > >> >Congrats, Jonathan! Great program and turnout. May you have many more >musical successes!!! > >Reading about your first recital brought back memories of my first organ >recital. It was an AGO members' student thing, held at Grace Cathedral in >Topeka, KS, on their 3man A-Skinner. I was 13-14, I think. My part of the >program was to play the 3 settings of Ein feste Burg which are found in "80 >Chorale Preludes" (published by Peters, ed. by H. Keller). It was a big deal >for me at the time, and the big pipe organ blew me away; it even had a >chamade, but I had no reason to use it on those pieces. I remember only one >other person on the program, and that was Tom Brown, then a senior in high >school, who played the Bach G major Concerto. He's become pretty famous now, >having made several CDs of piano and organ and as resident of Litchfield, CT. >I was sickened to come home for Thanksgiving during my first year in college >to see the cathedral on fire; the walls remained, but the organ melted away. >It now has been rebuilt and has a 4man Schantz in a nice acoustic. > >I'd be interested to hear about other List Members' FIRST RECITAL experience. >Come on, tell us what you played, where and on what, how old you were, etc. > >Steve Lawson - NYC > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: June 9th-11th; Chicago; ORGAN FESTIVAL From: TonyIn219 <TonyIn219@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:47:53 EDT   Just a note to let everyone know that LOWREY is having it's first-ever Home Organ brouhaha at the Holiday Inn O'Hare from June 9th through the 11th.   Some of the more notable events over the three-day festival include:   Music and Wellness clinic: (seems Lowrey nutritionists have found a correlation between playing a musical instrument and health; I wonder how they'll address the health aspects associated with dropping $25,000 or more on an organ that has spinet pedals?   And the first-ever Lowrey Museum with an historic selection of older Lowrey models on display. (I want to see this, in part because the House on the Rock's organ collection is such a long drive).   The Lowrey concerts begin at 7:30 pm each night and they should probably be okay. I'm planning on taking in some of the concert music.   FRITOE (Fun-loving Regional Illiana Theatre Organ Enthusiasts) should get a few people to attend. Anybody want to come along? E-mail me.  
(back) Subject: Re: Traditional Catholic music From: DudelK <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:23:05 EDT   A church where I sub has recently acquired this hymnal. However, I seem to recall that there are some awkward page turns in the accompaniment version on hymn tunes -- having to turn back and forth on verses rather than having them all on the same page or on facing pages.   I haven't examined it closely but was generally quite pleased with the contents.   David Krohne Washington DC  
(back) Subject: Re: The Silence of the Typing Hands. From: Myosotis51 <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:10:56 EDT   In a message dated 5/4/98 10:33:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cremona84000@webtv.net writes:   << You're only guilty if you think you are! I am SOOOOOO excited about being renovated! ...as long as it doesn't include aluminum siding! >>   Of course, vinyl is so much better.... and it can be applied with DUCT TAPE!!!!!     Vicki  
(back) Subject: Re: June 9th-11th; Chicago; ORGAN FESTIVAL From: stanley king <seking@inforamp.net> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 14:46:03 -0400       Hi there:   Have tried to e-mail you direct, but it bounced back. Can you let me have more details of this Lowrey affair? I may be interested in attending. E-mail me privately please.   Stan seking@inforamp.net http://www.organ-key.co.uk/artists/king.html                 >Just a note to let everyone know that LOWREY is having it's first-ever Home >Organ brouhaha at the Holiday Inn O'Hare from June 9th through the 11th. > >Some of the more notable events over the three-day festival include: > >Music and Wellness clinic: (seems Lowrey nutritionists have found a >correlation between playing a musical instrument and health; I wonder how >they'll address the health aspects associated with dropping $25,000 or more on >an organ that has spinet pedals? > >And the first-ever Lowrey Museum with an historic selection of older Lowrey >models on display. (I want to see this, in part because the House on the >Rock's organ collection is such a long drive). > >The Lowrey concerts begin at 7:30 pm each night and they should probably be >okay. I'm planning on taking in some of the concert music. > >                   FRITOE (Fun-loving Regional Illiana Theatre Organ Enthusiasts) should get a >few people to attend. Anybody want to come along? E-mail me. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: The Silence of the Typing Hands. From: Satbcantor <Satbcantor@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:46:26 EDT   The responses to this thread have been interesting, and am I imagining things, or are there one or two unfamiliar faces appearing? It does seem though,as if I have created a false idea as to why people might hesitate to contribute. I mentioned the flamers only in passing, and indeed I placed them in brackets, (which seems as good a place as any for them )....... ;-) .... It was not my intention to hold them up as a reason for not contributing to the list. If anyone wants to fire a hot one at me, goferrit.......but remember to duck ! BTW, did you know that flamers have their own organ stop ? It's called the '8 foot Open Diatribe'...a raucous sort of sound, loaded with overtones and incongruous harmonics, and always sounds sharp. What I saw as the difficulty in making contributions was more to do with the subjective nature of the beast. Fifty of us could hold forth on the subject of the Cornet, and we would all have our own particular assemblage of stops, yet none of us would know what the others were hearing. Incidentally, my 'Cornet' is Clarinet 8, Harmonic Flute 4,Nazard and Tierce.......a combination that would bring tears of sorrow to the player who founds his Cornet on the Oboe....but then my Clarinet (Nelson) probably sounds like his Oboe... and so on and so on. Waddyathink? I was discussing bits and pieces with an organ building friend the other day and we got on to the matter of digital 'organs', particularly the predilection there seems to be for flute 'chiff'. His question was - "why is everyone so all fired anxious to have this 'chiff' when it is simply the digital reproduction of a pipe speech DEFECT.. I suppose it has some charms when a few pipes in a rank suffer from it, but to actually specify defective sound for every note of a stop seems perverse.......innit? Regards to all, Chris Baker-Willis  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!!!! From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 21:56:49 -0400   >Were there beige screws with the >package? >   Not really.   Thanks. Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!!!! From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:14:07 -0400   I would like to thank everyone who translated it for me, but I got an even better translation from a fellow organist and German teacher at a school south of mine.   He told me what everything is and what everything meant.   Thanks again.   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: What will happen to the Kimball Organ? From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:11:55 -0400   The Junior High School in my town is rebuilding their building. They were thinking about enlarging the auditorium to house more people. If this insturment doesn't find a home, maybe the Junior High School would want to house this "fabulous" insturment. I, of course, and Kristen Guy, would be the organists. We both go to the High School across the parking lot, but our schedules aren't that busy.     *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-**-*-*-*-*-*-*-*   Is it a theatre organ or a church-style organ????????????   *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-   Thanks much. Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Chiff /was The Silence of the Typing Hands From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:31:51 -0400   Satbcantor wrote:   (snip)... > predilection there seems to be for flute 'chiff'. His question was - "why is > everyone so all fired anxious to have this 'chiff' when it is simply the > digital reproduction of a pipe speech DEFECT.. I suppose it has some charms > when a few pipes in a rank suffer from it, but to actually specify defective > sound for every note of a stop seems perverse.......innit? > Regards to all, Chris Baker-Willis   With some degree of seriousness, why not have TUNED chiff sounds on a digital organ? It could sound ridiculous or it MIGHT be interesting muted in an ensemble. It seems that digital manufacturers could incorporate new sounds within their instruments that could not be produced by pipes. Any thoughts on the idea of introducing NEW sounds, in addition to the simulation of pipe sounds, to digital/ electronic organs?   Stan Lowkis  
(back) Subject: Re: Chiff /was The Silence of the Typing Hands From: Satbcantor <Satbcantor@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:01:50 EDT   Stan and all, I don't know if you caught my opener to this thread ? I mentioned that IMHO digital/sampling was musically dishonest. Your post is in the same area. If makers of 'classical' digital instruments were to apply their investment towards digital production of classical sound, they might attract more respect. What they have done is to abandon sound production in favour of sampling / using the work of craftsmen pipe organ builders as their raw material. To go on and boast that their collection of chips makes the most realistic pipe organ sound is pure sophistry. Of course it's a realistic pipe sound, 'cos that was what they sampled in the first place ! Once again, Hammond can take the high ground, because although they now employ sampling technology, it is their own vintage instruments that they sample. Regards, Chris B-W  
(back) Subject: Re: Chiff /was The Silence of the Typing Hands From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:40:25 -0400   Satbcantor wrote: > >(snip > they might attract more respect. What they have done is to abandon sound > production in favour of sampling / using the work of craftsmen pipe organ > builders as their raw material. To go on and boast that their collection of > chips makes the most realistic pipe organ sound is pure sophistry. Of course > it's a realistic pipe sound, 'cos that was what they sampled in the first > place ! Once again, Hammond can take the high ground, because although they > now employ sampling technology, it is their own vintage instruments that they > sample. > Regards, Chris B-W   I see your point that a 'recording' i.e. sampling is not an original in the sense that it IDEALLY would be identical to the pipe source. The point I was making, is that opportunities for NEW sounds made possible by electronic techniques are not being explored by the manufacturers of electronic instruments. Hammond is the perfect example of a firm that in effect created a NEW instrument.   Any thoughts on the idea of introducing NEW sounds, in addition to the simulation of pipe sounds, to digital/ electronic organs?  
(back) Subject: Re: The Silence of the Typing Hands. From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:29:53 EDT   << However, I'm still lurking and listening, gleaning the remnants of the good postings re organs, recitals, and re-leathering, stoplists, etc. Keep those organ-related postings coming! >>   Hi Glenda. didn't know you were on pipechat. <grin>   Why not forget the nasty private emails and join in? You could, for example, give us your 10 favorite organ CDs without being *too* controversial!   SAME GOES FOR THE LURKERS... you know who you are! Pipechat is informal... why not post something?   Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: Chiff /was The Silence of the Typing Hands From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:49:39 EDT   << Of course it's a realistic pipe sound, 'cos that was what they sampled in the first place ! >>   Good point! But remember, there are fantastic digital organs made overseas that do NOT use sampling... the sounds are created by a method entirely different from the sampling "snapshots." In-depth info about same was posted several months ago on PIPORG-L by Tony Koorlander and others; it may have been posted to pipechat, too- (I wasn't on pipechat then)- so I won't bore anyone with technical details.   This is a time of fantastic technology. It's only 28 years since two "monster" oscillator organs were installed in my city, which many of us thought at the time would be the "last word" tonally in electronic organs!   Bill Miller, Phila PA  
(back) Subject: Re: Ten Favorites From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:00:08 -0400   My top ten favorites are: (randomly) 1) Boyd Jones performs on the Noack at St. Francis of Assisi (Louisville) Arkay 2) Maurice Durufle (complete organ works) played by Herndon Spillman at Pithiviers. Titanic . 3) A Tennessee Organ Tour (John Brock) Raven 4) Nantucket Organ Tour -- Peter Sykes Raven 5) Guilmant in American - James Hammann (Farrand & Votey - Louisville) Raven 6) Rheinberger Organ Sonatas - Bruce Stevens (Hook, Johnson, & Miller) Raven 7) Liverpool Encores - Ian Tracey Mirabilis 8) Stanford - Complete Morning and Evening Services -- at Durham Priory 9) Complete Organ Works of Bairstow -- Francis Jackson at York Minster Mirabilis 10) A Johnson Organ Tour -- Armstrong (two tapes)   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Chiff /was The Silence of the Typing Hands From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 14:50:29 -0700   At 15:31 5/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >Any thoughts on the idea of introducing NEW sounds, in addition to >the simulation of pipe sounds, to digital/ electronic organs?   In all seriousness, isn't that what the original Hammond was? When new, the Hammond sound captivated EVERYONE, including Jesse Crawford, the 'Poet of the Organ'. New sounds in an electronic instrument could be most welcome, in an electronic instrument ;-)     Regards,   Bob        
(back) Subject: Re: What will happen to the Kimball Organ? From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:36:53 -0400   It is a municipal organ that is very versatile, and we want it to remain in Worcester, but thanks for the input.  
(back) Subject: municipal organs From: "Ed Copeland" <edcplnd@thebestisp.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:09:12 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BD786A.0DADC380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I sure hope that your wonderful Kimball does well in the years to come, = I have been working on a web page about the Voice of Minneapolis, as it = was when I was helping to take care of it (all those years ago). I am = not sure what it's current status is, but will be sending a letter to = the powers that be, inquiring about it. I was on the "steering commitee" = durring the "save the organ campain" but somewhere along the line I was = dropped from the list. We didmanage to get the organ moved out of the = building before the building was torn down. There were a series of = concerts with local artists, and Tom Hazleton, and Hector Olivera = (please excuse my spelling) through which we rasied the money for the = move. The organ now sits in the chambers alotted for it in the new = convention center, unassembled and unrebuilt and becoming embrioled in a = scandle, which I still doen't quite understand. But let's get on to my = point. These organs are well worth saving, and people must get involved = to help the process. another way to look at it is what if they wanted to = tear down the Linclon Memorial, to put up a shopping center.   You will find the information, and pictures I have assemble thus far on = my home page, by useing the "Let's Go To The Auditorium link, near the = bottom of the index page.   Edward "Dan" Copeland Call Sign - MetlEd (flight sim 98) edcplnd@thebestisp.com   See "Our Musical House" Http://www.thebestisp.com/~edcplnd/index.html   also be sure to visit The Great River Valley System Model railroad club = at www.grvs.com   "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say = it, with my life"   ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BD786A.0DADC380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.2106.6"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I sure hope that your wonderful = Kimball does=20 well in the years to come, I have been working on a web page about the = Voice of=20 Minneapolis, as it was when I was helping to take care of it (all those = years=20 ago). I am not sure what it's current status is, but will be sending a = letter to=20 the powers that be, inquiring about it. I was on the &quot;steering=20 commitee&quot; durring the &quot;save the organ campain&quot; but = somewhere=20 along the line I was dropped from the list. We didmanage to get the = organ moved=20 out of the building before the building was torn down. There were a = series of=20 concerts with local artists, and Tom Hazleton, and Hector Olivera = (please excuse=20 my spelling) through which we rasied the money for the move. The organ = now sits=20 in the chambers alotted for it in the new convention center, unassembled = and=20 unrebuilt and becoming embrioled in a scandle, which I still doen't = quite=20 understand. But let's get on to my point. These organs are well worth = saving,=20 and people must get involved to help the process. another way to look at = it is=20 what if they wanted to tear down the Linclon Memorial, to put up a = shopping=20 center.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>You will find the information, and pictures I have = assemble=20 thus far on my home page, by useing the &quot;Let's Go To The Auditorium = link,=20 near the bottom of the index page.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Edward &quot;Dan&quot; = Copeland<BR>Call Sign -=20 MetlEd (flight sim 98)<BR><A=20 href=3D"mailto:edcplnd@thebestisp.com">edcplnd@thebestisp.com</A></FONT><= /DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>See &quot;Our Musical = House&quot;<BR><A=20 href=3D"http://www.thebestisp.com/~edcplnd/index.html">Http://www.thebest= isp.com/~edcplnd/index.html</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;also be sure to visit The = Great River=20 Valley System Model railroad club at<BR>&nbsp;<A=20 href=3D"http://www.grvs.com">www.grvs.com</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&quot;I may not agree with what you = say, but I=20 will defend your right to say it, with my = life&quot;</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BD786A.0DADC380--    
(back) Subject: Re: The Silence of the Typing Hands. From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:06:28   At 03:52 05/04/98 EDT, you wrote:   >someone said recently that there were a thousand people on this list, but only >thirty or so contributors.   Um.... there are over a thousand on piporg-l, but last I heard this list was about 500 or so.... Pete? Dave?   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: The Silence of the Typing Hands. From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:20:48   At 14:46 05/05/98 EDT, you wrote:   > I was discussing bits and pieces with an organ building friend the >other day and we got on to the matter of digital 'organs', particularly the >predilection there seems to be for flute 'chiff'. His question was - "why is >everyone so all fired anxious to have this 'chiff' when it is simply the >digital reproduction of a pipe speech DEFECT..   Interesting.... I once heard a Wicks many years ago where *everything* chiffed.   -s.  
(back) Subject: Re: The Silence of the Typing Hands. From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:48:17 EDT   << Interesting.... I once heard a Wicks many years ago where *everything* chiffed. -s. >>   THE REEDS???????   Hehehe.  
(back) Subject: Re: Chiff /was The Silence of the Typing Hands From: "John (Jack) Cormack" <jackjack@erols.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 22:50:36 -0400   At 03:31 PM 5/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >Satbcantor wrote: > >(snip)... >> predilection there seems to be for flute 'chiff'. His question was - "why is >> everyone so all fired anxious to have this 'chiff' when it is simply the >> digital reproduction of a pipe speech DEFECT.. I suppose it has some charms >> when a few pipes in a rank suffer from it, but to actually specify defective >> sound for every note of a stop seems perverse.......innit? >> Regards to all, Chris Baker-Willis > >With some degree of seriousness, why not have TUNED chiff sounds on >a digital organ? It could sound ridiculous or it MIGHT be interesting >muted in an ensemble. >Stan Lowkis > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Stan, Chris and anyone else interested:   Allen transistor tone generator organs of the late 1960's and later had "tuned chiff" It was generated by either one of two methods. The method used in my Allen was to momentarily key the oscillator through a capacitor resistor diode network at a higher frequency. For example, for C37 note, the chiff comes from G68 so it is harmonically related. That is, 2 octaves plus a 5th definitively is harmonically related. For C#38, the chiff comes from G#69, etc. The resistance in the capacitor resistors diode network determine the speed at which the capacitor gets recharged, and therefore for the next requirement to chiff. It worked well and was definitely harmonically related to the note being played. The diode isolates the chiff circuitry from the normal keying voltage for the chiffed higher frequency oscillator.   The other method (I believe) involved clipping, limiting, and high pass filtering to select the chiff characteristic. I can't find the techincal information on this method so maybe I am wrong on this second method.   Electronically adding a chiff by digital methods is relatively simple, and is done in some electronics organs. If one understands sampling it is apparent that the chiff is at the beginning of the sample and is harmonically derived from the pipe that is being sampled. In the looped portion of the sample (that is later in the sample than the starting point in the sample) there is no chiff since that part of the sample is not looped. So that chiff is also harmonically related in a properly sampled and designed electronics organ.   Sincerely,   John G. "Jack" Cormack Potomac, Maryland