PipeChat Digest #362 - Thursday, May 7, 1998 Re: Florence Foster Jenkins by "ComposerTX" <ComposerTX@aol.com> Re: Florence Foster Jenkins by "ComposerTX" <ComposerTX@aol.com> Re: Bach Little Prelude And Fugue In C Major ( a little long) by "Picander" <Picander@aol.com> Just a weekend experience by "Sean Haley" <firstname.lastname@example.org> An old MUSIC article by "KZimme7737" <KZimme7737@aol.com> Re: Florence Foster Jenkins by "bruce cornely" <email@example.com> Re: 10 CD's by "Trackerbkr" <Trackerbkr@aol.com> Re: 10 CD's by <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Florence Foster Jenkins by "Peggy C. Bie" <email@example.com> Bach Little Prelude And Fugue In C Major ( a littl by <JEKroep@hrn.bradley.edu> Re: Accenting on the organ by "KZimme7737" <KZimme7737@aol.com> Re: Bach Little Prelude And Fugue In C Major ( a little long) by "Stephen Ohmer" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: FFJ by "Mac Hayes" <email@example.com> TO & Theremin 78s!! X-Posted by "ManderUSA" <ManderUSA@aol.com> Re: Florence Foster Jenkins by "bruce cornely" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: 10 CDs by "bruce cornely" <email@example.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:29:53 EDT Hi, Steve Danny Ray here, another TCU alum [71-73]. You might check out 2 versions of my Solo & TTBB arrangement of "Mrs. Santa, High Atop the North Pole Lounge." It's a little closer to "Jonathon and Darlene Edwards" than it is to "FloFo," but you may enjoy it. It's been recorded on an album entitled "Twisted Turtle Tinsel" by the Turtle Creek Chorale here in Dallas. I am the TCC arranger. I also have both of the versions available in Solo & SATB. You might be interested in a recording of my original work "Reflections: Songs Without Words." It is an hour of music for medication and relaxation in 5 movements with TTBB "Ooo" chorus, strings, flute, oboe, and me on the pinana. A number of hypnotherapists and massage therapists in Dallas use it regularly during their sessions. You could inquire about ordering the recordings from: Turtle Creek Chorale PO Box 190806 Dallas, TX 75219-0806  746-4412 If you want the printed scores, contact me at ComposerTX@AOL.com Thanks, and enjoy. Danny Ray
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:38:26 EDT Dear list owner and member, OOPS I sent a response to the list that should have gone to only one member. Please forgive me. Danny Ray
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Little Prelude And Fugue In C Major ( a little long) From: Picander <Picander@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:27:38 EDT In a message dated 98-05-06 17:09:06 EDT, you write: > .) Early in the piece, in the pedal part, there are 4 note repeated eighth > note patterns (dddd,gggg). My organ teacher says that I should pay the > notes detached, but CONNECT the last note of one group to the first note in > the next. I disagree, and so does Harold Gleason (method of organ playing). > What do y'all think. If he IS wrong, what should I tell him?) > Play it the way the teacher teaches, when you're in a lesson. That doesn't mean you will always agree with it, or that you will play it that way on your own at church or wherever. Always be open to learn things from all directions, be it Gleason, your teacher, wherever. Eventually you will have a style that is completely and convincingly your own, no matter who else you admire. I presume also that lessons are expensive ... you are not there to teach the teacher and he will not care what Gleason etc. says. Use the precious time to learn what he has to offer. Experiment and learn from others and from your own research ... but don't try to teach him, use the time to learn. And yes, I agree with his assessment of detaching and connecting. I realize that according to current opinion, that is probably not historically accurate. You have to make your own artistic judgment. I would urge you to remember that notes on paper and scholarship is one thing, and making musical believers out of people may be another. Times are different, people are different, organs are different. It's your career and your call. But for now, follow the teachers in your lessons. You'll be enriched for the variety. Brent Peterson Organist & Director of Music First Congregational Church Tempe, Arizona
(back) Subject: Just a weekend experience From: "Sean Haley" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:45:54 PDT Hi everyone, Because I don't want to be accused of lurking I thought I would speak up and share an experience I had on Sunday. Living in a town noted for electronic organs, playing a good pipe organ is a treasured experience. When I went to a scholarship competition in another town I had an opportunity to play an organ that I didn't know existed until last month. I planned to show up an hour early to try the organ. It was truly exhilarating. Even though I did not play the organ for the competition, my "musical rival" did, playing the "Con moto maestoso" from F. Mendelssohn's Sonata in A (Op 65 No3). If I could have had another month I would have blown the dust off of the Finale of Widor's fifth, and give the crowd a real performance. But it was nice to hear him play the organ instead of the piano. I like to think of him as a "friend from at a distance," after all we have to keep our competitive image. Honestly, we are pretty good friends for the few times we see each other in a non threatening environment. For those that are curious the organ is a 1930's Balcolm & Vaughn 2 manual. Anyone wanting to know more about the organ will have to let me know. If you want to know who is awarded the scholarships you will have to wait, but if I win you will be the first to know. Enough of my rambling on. _____ | | Sean M. Haley / NWOrganer | | Organist,Pianist,Composer,Piano Tech. () ()......................................() () .............................................| | .............................................|___| ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(back) Subject: An old MUSIC article From: KZimme7737 <KZimme7737@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:11:23 EDT Dear Listers, This is regarding an article entitled "A Twelve-Year Transplant", by Gerald Iversen published in the May, 1978 issue of MUSIC, page 52. This article was what inspired me big-time towards having an organ in my home. I was just two years out of High School at that time. According to the article, a Mr. Mark F. Gardner, then dean of the Wester Iowa Chapter of the AGO, had aquired a 17 rank pipe organ and rebuilt/installed it in his basement - that barely had an 8' ceiling. Does anyone know if Mr. Gardner is still around? If he's listening, I would appreciate his advice from someone who has really been there, done that. I want to do that, too. Big Dreams, Keith Please forgive me for cross-posting this. Everyone else seems to do it, too.
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: email@example.com (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:19:43 -0400 Come on, folks! the only thing worse than reading a private post sent to the list is reading the apology for it. NO ONE CARES! What's the point in using more bandwidth to apologize for wasting bandwidth. Remember, it's not polite to whisper in public or tell secrets. It's a chat/discussion list; actually, some of the most fun stuff is the semi=private public accidental postings. Keep 'em coming! bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... firstname.lastname@example.org ...........
(back) Subject: Re: 10 CD's From: Trackerbkr <Trackerbkr@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:33:06 EDT Glenda's retained comments about "the mind idealizing the music one is actually hearing during a performance" reminded me of some advice offered by Alfred Brendel, who tells pianists attempting to play a certain work of Liszt to omit some of the notes because the audience's ears would autamatically supply them. I can't get my hands immediately on the exact passage, otherwise I would supply it. The concept of the immediacy of performance is fascinating; years ago my college piano teacher gave me an account of a performance of the Liszt (back to him again) b minor Sonata that was so stunning, when the pianist finished everyone simply sat in awe, too moved to applaud for a long time. My teacher listened to the tape later and had a ho-hum experience the second time around. Regarding Stephen Sohmer's quest for the organ equivalent of Florence Foster Jenkins, the closest equivalent I can think of is Anthony Newman. Laurie Ryan
(back) Subject: Re: 10 CD's From: email@example.com Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:43:45 -0400 Trackerbkr wrote: > Regarding Stephen Sohmer's quest for the organ equivalent of > Florence Foster Jenkins, the closest equivalent I can think of is > Anthony Newman. (sitting in stunned, awed silence) Ken Sybesma
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: "Peggy C. Bie" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:46:21 -0400 Bruce Cornley asked: "What's thepoint in using more bandwidth to apologize for wasting bandwidth?" Please inform me what this often mentioned "band width" is. We computer users don't understand. I have an IBM, and all I worry about is having enough space in my computer's memory. Rev. Peggy C. Bie "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." -Anais Nin http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/1095
(back) Subject: Bach Little Prelude And Fugue In C Major ( a littl From: JEKroep@hrn.bradley.edu Date: 6 May 1998 22:06:12 CST/CDT PI>Hi! PI> I learned the Bach Little Prelude And Fugue In C Major a while back(my PI>first organ piece), and decided to play it in my piano/organ teacher's PI>piano recital instead of playing another piano piece. I have a few PI>questions regarding interpretation. 1.) What is a good tempo for this piece PI>(M.M.) PI>2.) Early in the piece, in the pedal part, there are 4 note repeated eighth PI>note patterns (dddd,gggg). My organ teacher says that I should pay the PI>notes detached, but CONNECT the last note of one group to the first note in PI>the next. I disagree, and so does Harold Gleason (method of organ playing). PI>What do y'all think. If he IS wrong, what should I tell him?) Beau, When I learned Bach's(?) Little Prelude and Fugue in C, my teachertaught to detach. However, Also the first note of the repeated seriesshould be ever so slightly accented, or the organist should hesitate abit. This produces a very fine result. Jonathan Kroepel
(back) Subject: Re: Accenting on the organ From: KZimme7737 <KZimme7737@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 00:13:57 EDT Pardon the silly question, but I've never had organ lessons. How do you accent on the organ? Do you hold the note a fraction of a second longer than usual? Example: I actually played the Widor Toccata for a wedding recessional. I did pretty well so I was told. In accenting the first 16th note of each measure, I simply dwelt on the note a split second longer than the others while keeping in time with the others. Is that the way to do it? Thanks Keith
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Little Prelude And Fugue In C Major ( a little long) From: email@example.com (Stephen Ohmer) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:57:54 -0400 On Wed, 6 May 1998 21:27:38 EDT Picander <Picander@aol.com> writes: >In a message dated 98-05-06 17:09:06 EDT, you write: > >> .) Early in the piece, in the pedal part, there are 4 note repeated >eighth >> note patterns (dddd,gggg). My organ teacher says that I should pay >the >snipsnipsnipsnip >Play it the way the teacher teaches, when you're in a lesson. That >doesn't >mean you will always agree with it, or that you will play it that way >on your >own at church or wherever. Always be open to learn things from all >directions, be it Gleason, your teacher, snip snip snip snip ... but don't try to teach him, > >use the time to learn. > > Very, very sage advice. Every student should take the thyme to follow it. Steve Ohmer St. James Louisa, VA Charlottesville, VA PS - I failed the Colleague exam of the AGO this past year simply because I played the music the way *I* thought it should be played, instead of going with the system. At my age, this lesson should have been learned years ago, but *nnnnoooooo*! >Brent Peterson >Organist & Director of Music >First Congregational Church >Tempe, Arizona > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org >Administration: mailto:email@example.com >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
(back) Subject: Re: FFJ From: Mac Hayes <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:07:42 -0700 Trackerbkr wrote: > ... > Regarding Stephen Sohmer's quest for the organ equivalent of > Florence Foster Jenkins, the closest equivalent I can think of is > Anthony Newman. I've led a sheltered life; what does (or did) Florence Foster Jenkins do? -- Mac Hayes firstname.lastname@example.org Better a brick airplane than a brick boat.
(back) Subject: TO & Theremin 78s!! X-Posted From: ManderUSA <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 03:13:34 EDT Dear Listers, Our church May Fair is this coming Saturday. Today, anonymously, someone dropped off a box of old 78s (redundant! Of course they're old!), and I thought I had best inventory them. Most are dance music, heavy on the Tommy Dorsey sort of thing, but there are a few possible treasures, as follows: Side 1: I hadn't anyone 'till you Side 2: A-Tisket A-Tasket "Torch at the Organ" - Gaumont State Cinema, Kilburn Side 1: Shalimar-Waltz Side 2: I'm looking over a four leaf clover Jack Hylton and his Orchestra, "with Cinema Organ" No indication where or who. Side 1: Largo - Handel (Xerxes) Side 2: Minuet - Handel (Berenice) Reginald Foort at the B. B. C. Cinema Organ Singing at the Tower - Two Sides Lots of popular English songs sung by the audience, accompanied by Reginald Dixon on the organ of the Tower, Blackpool And a mystery record: Side 1: Adeste Fidelis Side 2: Joy to the World Performers are only labelled as "Trinity Choir." I don't have a 78 turntable, so cannot check if there is any organ accompaniment. It is not clear if this is recorded in England or in the U. S. Finally, Charlie Lester gets first refusal on a set (originally three records - one is missing, but might turn up) called "Music for Peace of Mind" for Theremin with Orchestra. The performer is Dr. Samuel J. Hoffman. This is all not about money, although as it is for a church fair, anyone wanting any of the above could make a small contribution to cover postage and a bit more. I am most interested in getting these old recordings into the right hands, if they are of any interest at all. There are some other classical recordings, mostly of operatic arias sung by some of the great names of the 20s and 30s, and I'll happily list those, if anyone is interested. I left the church tonight at quite a late hour, and noticed on the way out several more boxes of recordings that must have been left late in the day. I will try to get back to look them over as well. It looked like there were some 78s there too. We also have a large number of piano rolls. I will post something about them tomorrow, but if you are already interested, please let me know. Cheers, Malcolm Wechsler N. P. Mander, Ltd. - U. S. A. www.mander-organs.com
(back) Subject: Re: Florence Foster Jenkins From: email@example.com (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 03:33:24 -0400 Duh! Bandwidth! I don't need no stinkin' bandwidth! I have no idea what it is; it's just what the people who complain use as an excuse for being annoyed by uninteresting (to them) posts. It supposedly is more polite than saying "I'm not interested in what you have to say." I'm not a computer person either, Peggy, but, alas, some have it (bandwidth!!) and some don't. If you can still walk without a limp without it, don't give it a second thought! hohohoho bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... firstname.lastname@example.org ...........
(back) Subject: Re: 10 CDs From: email@example.com (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 04:49:24 -0400 Geez, You're gonna make me be serious. Actually, the recordings which I have with "slips" on them are some of my favorites. Ihave found that the "slips" seem to become smaller with continued listening. Listening to my own recordings has helped calm performance anxiety since most mistakes are barely noticeable! Hmm. Time for a nap! bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... firstname.lastname@example.org ...........