PipeChat Digest #365 - Saturday, May 9, 1998
 
Internet Relay Chat tonight at 9.00 pm EDT
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
The contemporary American organ
  by "KZimme7737" <KZimme7737@aol.com>
Re: Method to teach youngster
  by "DEMPAR1" <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
Re: New Position
  by "Vernon Moeller" <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Re: Teenage Organists and "emotional adjusting"
  by "Vernon Moeller" <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Pump Organ
  by "Ruth" <theraven@istar.ca>
Page Turning - was Gigout's Toccata
  by "Ken and Chris Potter" <tracker@j51.com>
Re: New Position
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Teenage Organists and "emotional adjusting"
  by "PipeLuvr" <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Pump Organ/additional post
  by "Ruth" <theraven@istar.ca>
page turners
  by "Jeff Luttrell" <jpluttrell@mindspring.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #361 - 05/06/98
  by "Robert Horton" <r-horton@nwu.edu>
Re: Accenting on the organ
  by "Robert Horton" <r-horton@nwu.edu>
Re: page turners
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net>
Re: Page Turning - was Gigout's Toccata
  by "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net>
RE: New position
  by "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu>
Re: Page Turning - was Gigout's Toccata
  by "Beau Surratt" <beaupiano@earthlink.net>
Re: Bruce the hypocrite- NOT!
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re:  Tapes for Music Repair
  by "Robert Gault" <rgault@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Re: Bruce the hypocrite- NOT!
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Bruce the hypocrite- NOT!- II
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
APOLOGY
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Bruce the hypocrite- NOT!
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Kimball organ, Worcester MA AUD
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Schlicker Organ Company - Website
  by "Nelson and Tracy Denton" <ndenton434@bigwave.ca>
Re: Method to teach youngster
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
"Wedding Song"
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
 


(back) Subject: Internet Relay Chat tonight at 9.00 pm EDT From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 07:44:42 -0400   Once again!   Just to remind all our Pipechat-l members that we are on live this evening.   Come and join in the "chat" with the regulars and put in your "tuppence-worth".   Have a look in our Web page, http://www.pipechat.org if you are not too sure of what you do to join us. It is all explained how it works.   See you there, - any time after 9.00 EDT.         Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> http://www.greenford.demon.co.uk/bob/   Classics Director CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz Radio Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 CANADA        
(back) Subject: The contemporary American organ From: KZimme7737 <KZimme7737@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:37:36 EDT   Steve, Beau, and list,   I sent Beau a note privately about his request before I noticed that someone else had the same request.   Beau,   I read that book many years ago. The Atlanta Public Library had one. You can also get it from Organ Literature Foundation. They don't have a website that I could find, but the address on the back of a book that I bought from them 20 years ago is:   The Organ Literature Foundation Baintree, Mass. 02184   At that time, the 1964 edition of the book (by William Harrison Barnes) was $7.50. I'm not sure if there has been a later edition.   I read a book that was really much better, in my opinion, but I can't remember the title. Some day I will go back to the Atl library and look for it.   The OLF has a catalog of many books and recordings. I would strongly recommend that you get it.   Sincerely, Keith  
(back) Subject: Re: Method to teach youngster From: DEMPAR1 <DEMPAR1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:43:19 EDT   I remember as a child walking three miles to church on Sunday, a little shameful to admit it) to hear a great, retired silent movie organist play the Mass. When she did the recessional, she would crank up the trems and you could almost see her riding the console down into the pit. I too used to sneak up that dark winding stair just to get a glimse of her magic fingers and feet at work. To this day, I credit my love of the organ to the hours I spent watching and talking to her. Young organists should be encouraged and given as much recognition as possible. We old fogies have to recognise interest in our young organists and nurture that else we will loose our young to computer generated trash.  
(back) Subject: Re: New Position From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 08:44:16 -0500   My warmest congratulations to all who have begun working at new positions.   However, I wanted to say just a few words about church politics: even in the best churches, the ones where there are no politics, believe you me, there's politics! I think the key to dealing with it is to keep your head high (so you can see incoming projectiles!) and do the best job you can. Work at pleasing the pastoral staff, especially the Min of Music and the Pastor-Parish Relations Committee (or the Music Committee, or whoever hired you) and try to see things from as large a perspective as possible.   Wish I could do all this stuff - I just try to stay out of certain folks' way, and be real friendly with the rest. Works for me.   Good Luck, Y'All!   \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Re: Teenage Organists and "emotional adjusting" From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 08:49:42 -0500   Bruce wrote: >Your youth may wear off, but then you have the remaining patina of wisdom. >   "Patina," huh?   And all this time I thought it was just male pattern baldness....   \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Pump Organ From: Ruth <theraven@istar.ca> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:57:03 -0400   Hello, I am going to be playing on a Pump Organ for a Wedding in August.   I have never in my life played a pump organ, and have never even seen one.   This is a late 19th centure Estey, Made in Battleboro(?) Vermont.   Supposedly it sounds beautiful. Any info, advice, help would be more then welcome.   Thanks muchly, Ruth  
(back) Subject: Page Turning - was Gigout's Toccata From: tracker@j51.com (Ken and Chris Potter) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:33:44 -0500   I NEVER ever use page turners. My greatest nightmares have involved playing with page turners. There never seems to be anyone handy with the knowledge to do it well, and they are usually so nervous that they make me a wreck when they reach up too soon or not soon enough and I know they won't make the turn on time.   Consequently I make a playing copy of every piece that has bad turns in it on the copying machine and reduce the size so I can get the entire piece on the music rack. My copy of the Widor Toccata is on two rows of 4 x 6 pages. By the time you know the piece well enough to play it, you don't need to see every note - just the shape of the piece. On the big Bach pieces, I copy two pages onto one 8 1/2 x 11 sheet and then reduce those further to fit the rack. I just tuck the playing copy inside my regular (legal) copy and keep it there and I never again have to worry about a page turner when it comes up.   Make sure you tape the sheets together. I could go on for days about horrible incidents involving electric fans, etc. At first I joined the sheets together with masking tape, but it dries out or else bleeds through the sheet. Then I tried Scotch tape but after a few uses it breaks. I finally found out the best and longest lasting tape to use was that two inch wide clear package sealing tape that comes on a tear-off roll. The stuff is indestructable.   I use this method for anthems also, and have a reduced copy of nearly every anthem we do tucked into the storage box ready to use. After a couple of years of doing this I only have to make a copy when I learn a new piece - a small price to pay for peace of mind.   On an artistic level, I find it more conducive to good interpretation to be able to see the whole piece laid out before me, rather than just the two pages i'm on. I really begin to feel the overall shape of the piece sooner, and I like to be able to glance ahead and see what's coming up rather than wondering if that hard spot or that big registration change is on the next page or not.   The down side is that because of doing this for so many years, I have now achieved the status of "world's worst page turner." I can't play and turn pages to save my life. So, be warned.   Ken   ============================================================================ Kenneth G. Potter, Minister of Music St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square 914/358-2528 2500 Westchester Avenue, Bronx, NY 10461 tracker@j51.com ============================================================================                  
(back) Subject: Re: New Position From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:32:26 -0400   In other words, to succeed, be a really good hypocrite! Works for me!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Teenage Organists and "emotional adjusting" From: PipeLuvr <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:33:44 EDT   In a message dated 5/7/98 11:07:46 PM Central Daylight Time, cremona84000@webtv.net writes:   > Your youth may wear off, but then you have the remaining patina of > wisdom.   A favorite cliche of mine.... "Knowledge is knowing the old stove is hot. . . Wisdom is having burned your fingers a few times!"   Best wishes, Bob  
(back) Subject: Pump Organ/additional post From: Ruth <theraven@istar.ca> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:01:27 -0400   Hi, The pump organ to be played has been maintained properly. It is being used frequenly in a museum/type setting, where they even have tours. It is also a one manual.    
(back) Subject: page turners From: Jeff Luttrell <jpluttrell@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:13:19 -0400 (EDT)   This was posted on the handbell list yesterday and seemed appropriate for the current organ discussion of page turners:   >The following program notes are from an unidentified piano recital: > >Tonight's page turner, Ruth Spelke, studied under Ivan Schmertnick at >the Boris Nitsky School of Page Turning in Philadelphia. She has been >turning pages here and abroad for many years for some of the world's >leading pianists. > >In 1988, Ms. Spelke won the Wilson Page Turning Scholarhip, which sent >her to Israel to study page turning from left to right. She is winner >of the 1984 Rimsky Korsakov "Flight of the Bumblebee Prestissimo Medal", >having turned 47 pages in an unprecedented 32 seconds. She was also a >1983 silver mdealist at the Klutz Musical Page Pickup Competition: >contestants retrieve and rearrange a musical score dropped from a Yamaha. >Ms. Spelke excelled in "grace, swiftness, and especially poise." > >For techniques, Ms. Spelke performs both the finger-licking and bent-page >corner methods. She works from a standard left bench position, and is the >originator of the dipped-elbow page snatch, a style used to avoid obscuring >the pianist's view of the music. She is page turner in residence in >Fairfield, Iowa, where she occupies the coveted Alfred Hitchcock Chair >at the Fairfield Page Turning Institute. > >Ms. Spelke is married, and has a nice house on a lake.   Sueda Luttrell Organist/Music Associate FBC, Marietta, GA    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #361 - 05/06/98 From: Robert Horton <r-horton@nwu.edu> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 09:48:07 -0500   At 07:30 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >Kevin is looking forward to college.... >"I'm about sick of it all, and just keep saying to myself, "I'll be off >to college soon and not have to put up with their crap." "   Dear Kevin, Take my advice as a grad student, academia is just ROLLING in crap! Further, everyone keeps telling me that these are the best years of my life... As an organist, you're always going to face folks who don't understand the depth of your talent (let alone the depth of the organ). Don't get angry at them, you'll just turn them off and make all of us look like snobs. Take it as a chance for some outreach and try to show them more about the instrument and your (obviously auspicious) skills.   Sincerely, Robert Horton, Millar Chapel Organ Scholar 825 Foster Street, Evanston, IL 60201 tel. 847.424.9368 http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~rch507/   Q. How many organists does it take to change a light bulb? A. Four...one to change the bulb and three to complain that the light switch needs combination pistons.  
(back) Subject: Re: Accenting on the organ From: Robert Horton <r-horton@nwu.edu> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 10:05:00 -0500   At 04:00 AM 5/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >From: KZimme7737 <KZimme7737@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 00:13:57 EDT >Pardon the silly question, but I've never had organ lessons. 'twould be silly of you not to ask.   >How do you accent on the organ? Do you hold the note a fraction of a second >longer than usual? Yes, but that isn't the only way. Whenever you have a string of notes, accent can be produced in one (or both) of two ways   1. Holding the accented note longer. 2. Shortening it's predecessor. (I suppose you could also just tap the tutti pedal for a split second, but some purists might get upset if you did it in Bach...;-)   >Example: I actually played the Widor Toccata for a wedding recessional. I >did pretty well so I was told. In accenting the first 16th note of each >measure, I simply dwelt on the note a split second longer than the others Sounds like you're on the right track. Toccatas are the best thing for practicing accents and phrasings. The important thing in a "moto perpetuo" toccata like Chucky W's is not to do it too often. It creates a very noticable effect that you want to save for the times when you really mean it.   >while keeping in time with the others. Is that the way to do it? Yes, don't let "leaning" on one note take any time away from the overall pulse or "tactus" of the piece. It's kind of like jazz, you're going to stretch some notes, cheat others, etc... but in the end you're right on the beat.   Robert Horton, Millar Chapel Organ Scholar 825 Foster Street, Evanston, IL 60201 tel. 847.424.9368 http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~rch507/   Q. How many organists does it take to change a light bulb? A. Four...one to change the bulb and three to complain that the light switch needs combination pistons.  
(back) Subject: Re: page turners From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:46:12 -0400   On this interesting thread - the Kirk Organ rises on a lift - to concert position, about 3' above the chancel, providing everyone total view of artist/console/pedalboard... The console is nearly eight feet wide - on the rare occasion that the artist has requested a page turner - it has been me, must to my dismay, FOR the audience strongly objects to page turners which are "in the way"...   No matter how you place yourself to assist - several in some position in the Sanctuary cannot see...therefore, we state for the artist = "no page turners provided"...   And we "hear it" as well IF their is a problem with the lift!   Using the "we aim to please" and "the customer is always right" concepts - we are grateful for the attendance at concerts... April brought some 1500 to hear Barry Baker (incredible, by the way...) perform three repeated concerts...and this week we will have some 1400 attending this week, closing the Kirks THIRTIETH season of pipe organ concerts.   TC    
(back) Subject: Re: Page Turning - was Gigout's Toccata From: Ben Baldus <bbaldus@voyager.net> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 13:57:09 -0400   Greetings:   A hearty amen to banning page turners.   One thing on making "playing" scores. Oftentimes, just having a good binding will work just as well. I keep a stock of Gamble hinged binding tape around. I've rebound quite a few scores and find that generally if the binding is strong AND flexible a regular score does just fine. In the instances cited, where reduced size is necessary, I still use the hinged tape rather than anything else. It is expensive, but it almost never deteriorates.   Best regards, Ben Baldus    
(back) Subject: RE: New position From: "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:19:51 -0500   So glad to see of your new position. And GLAD to see the excitment!   Best of luck,   Craig Elders Fort Worth, Texas   ---------- From: Myosotis51[SMTP:Myosotis51@aol.com] Reply To: PipeChat Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 10:37 AM To: Myosotis51@aol.com Subject: New position   Hi all!   Wanted to share my news with you.   Last night, after much consideration, I accepted the position of Organist at the Center Moriches, NY UMC.   I had an organist position some time ago, which I lost due to church politics, and I've been very happy subbing for various churches for several years. It's been enough to keep me busy, but not so much as to constitute actual *work*. I'm also mom of two teenage daughters, and I have other work commitments - I'm manager of an office for about 30 hours/week, and I do a lot of volunteer work. AND I have been working on a possible piano recital, comprised of Mozart's Sonata in A and misc. keyboard works by Handel.   I've subbed for this church many times, and this was the fourth time in the past two years they offered me the job. They understand that I'm somewhat unwilling to commit myself, and they sweetened the deal beyond my ability to resist temptation. This church is only about 15 minutes from my house, and the people are great, especially the director of music. He has a terrific sense of humor, and I won't have to deal with the church board directly - he'll do that for me. The choir has some strong voices (at least one on each part), and they sing much of the service..... so my main job will be accompanying them.   I feel like I've just stepped off a cliff!   Vicki, now re-joining the ranks of the overemployed       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Page Turning - was Gigout's Toccata From: Beau Surratt <beaupiano@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 17:22:29 -0500   Hi! I , and maybe other people would like to know Where might we organists purchase that binding tape?     Beau Beau Surratt beaupiano@earthlink.net Organist, Bemis United Methodist Church Student, South Side High School    
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce the hypocrite- NOT! From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:09:57 EDT   << In other words, to succeed, be a really good hypocrite! Works for me! >>   Don't lie to us, Bruce--we can tell-- you are a *fine* person and you take your music and your faith seriously!   OTOH, the *snow* and the playing a Wix while loving tractors... well... :-) :-)   Peace, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: Tapes for Music Repair From: Robert Gault <rgault@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 18:46:57 -0700 (PDT)   Dear Beau & Listers,   Give new or shopworn music a revived lease on life.   GAMBLE HINGED tape is available in various combinations (for one, two, or more pages. Some music stores carry it. Otherwise write to GAMBLE MUSIC CO., 312 S. Wabash Avenue, Chicago, IL 60604. Ask for a catalog.   Another tape that I find extremely useful is a pressure sensitive Mounting/Hinging Tissue which is pressure sensitive, acid free (Archival Quality) non yellowing, translucent. Put out by Lineco, Inc. Most art and stationery stores carry or can order it. Rolls come in a couple of widths.   Either of these tapes is a bit pricey, but well worth the investment.   Regular cloth or plastic book tape, available in most stationery stores, is great for re-inforcing the spine of your music books. And a good preventative measure before they fall apart.   Scotch tape or Masking tapes are a NO NO!   An old Librarian...Robert in Oregon     On Fri, 8 May 1998, Beau Surratt wrote:   > Hi! > I , and maybe other people would like to know Where might we organists > purchase that binding tape? > > > Beau > Beau Surratt > beaupiano@earthlink.net > Organist, Bemis United Methodist Church > Student, South Side High School > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce the hypocrite- NOT! From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:08:56 -0400   Thank you, Bill. I am just waiting to win the Lotto so I can buy a redundant church in the Northeast with a nice Hook&Hastings (or close!) in it, and play with my doggies in the snooooooooooooow! Or, I could be kept (applications available on request!) hehehe   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce the hypocrite- NOT!- II From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:46:24 EDT   Good retort!   Bruce, *serious* now... is Guy Henderson really going off PIPORG-L?? I got off some lists a few months ago, including it, but read the archives once a month. I saw his post of today (I think, or wuz it yesterday)...sounded like a goodbye.   It would be a shame to lose him. What's going on, do you know? I couldn't tell if he was getting flak, maybe from private posts, or if maybe he had a drinking problem or some such.   Would it help if you "talked" to him?   Peace, Bill    
(back) Subject: APOLOGY From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:48:53 EDT   Folks, I sent what was to be a private post to Bruce Cornely, and hit the worng button. It went to the list instead. PLEASE, delete it. I apologize for this unwise action.   Sincerely, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce the hypocrite- NOT! From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:43:47 -0400   Bruce, I'll swap you for a redundant church with a Hook & Hastings tracker in the south so I can play with my cats in the sunshine. Judy  
(back) Subject: Kimball organ, Worcester MA AUD From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:33:05 -0400   Negotiations are underway with the city hopefully to remove the Kimball from the chambers and pack it for storage. The console is being moved up the lift to the main floor to protect it from the work being done in the basement. If a friend had not been at the Trustees meeting on Wednesday, when the plans were presented to the Trustees, the organ likely would have been destroyed, but the city is listening at this time to concerns about the organ, if not the Auditorium. This friend was able to present his views on the importance of this instrument. There is time to take the organ out of the chambers this summer and it could be stored inside the AUD temporarily, if the city will pay to have it removed and stored. Apparently the city manager etc. have become aware and are listening at present to this plan, with The Organ Clearing House involved. We shall see what progresses. We are at this time trying not to put the city in a more defensive position. Thank you for your concerns and cooperation.  
(back) Subject: Re: Schlicker Organ Company - Website From: Nelson and Tracy Denton <ndenton434@bigwave.ca> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 00:56:50 -0400   Richard Webber sent me this message. . . I thought I'd pass it along as I don't think anyone has mentioned it yet.   >Here is a new web site for you to add. I admire your site and all its >great links. Thanks much for it. Richard Weber Milwaukee, Wisconsin   >http://www.schlickerorgan.com/welcome.html >   or http://www.schlickerorgan.com   The website uses frames so those who are "Frames challenged" be warned. Nelson E. Denton R. A. Denton and Son Pipe Organ Builders Hamilton Ontario, Canada   The Pipe Organ Tracker Project http://www.freeyellow.com/members/radentonson The worlds "second" largest collection of organ related links  
(back) Subject: Re: Method to teach youngster From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 23:31:33   At 23:59 05/07/98 EDT, you wrote:     >Would be really curious to see how such methods work out in music ed...     Teaching classroom music is a whoooooooole lot different than giving private lessons. Been there, done that. :)   Thanks for your suggestions, Ed. Some imaginative ones there!   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: "Wedding Song" From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 00:27:03   Hi, folks--   I vaguely remember someone on this list (I think) mentioning they had a decent arrangement of Paul Stookey's "Wedding Song". I'm to play this for a singer on Memorial Day weekend, and I really really don't want to subject the congregation (or myself!) to the boring, repetitive accompaniment that's on the sheet music.   Ideas?   TIA. --Shirley