PipeChat Digest #367 - Sunday, May 10, 1998 Re: People singing who either cannot or cannot any longer sing by "Sean Haley" <email@example.com> "Wedding Song" by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: People singing [?] by "Mac Hayes" <email@example.com> Judy A. Ollikkala [firstname.lastname@example.org] by "Ruth" <email@example.com> Re: Speaking of organ training... by "Shakehip" <Shakehip@aol.com> Re: ``Wedding Song'' by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Speaking of organ training... by "Frank Johnson" <email@example.com> RE: "Wedding Song" by "SM Fitzgerald" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Wedding Song by "G Sandlawn" <GSandlawn@aol.com> RE: "Wedding Song" by "Ruth" <email@example.com> church weddings by "Grahame Davis" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Re: People singing who either cannot or cannot any longer sing From: "Sean Haley" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 15:22:06 PDT >Mr Gregory stated: ****Snipped by CyberScissors**** >I've noticed in the small town churches around me, that most church >people like music, but can't appreciate how well the piece is, or is >not, being played many times. I've had so many people tell me when I >complain that I had not done a great job that "I'm probably the only >one that noticed". That MAY be true. >It appears to be more important, in these congregations, WHO is doing >the performing rather than HOW it is being performed (within >reason)..... #### Now here's what I have to say #### My, how true this is, Living in a small town (pop. 4500) and going to a small church (regular attendance of approx. 130) this is so true. The choir director of my church (he is actually a retired band director) is a fairly new member to the church and likes to think that it is NOT quality that the congregation wants but quantity. Because I am the official organist/accompanist for the choir I constantly find myself fighting every week at rehearsal correcting him on everything from bad choral/vocal technique and theory to interpretations of a hymn. The funny thing is, that after he will butcher a hymn to pieces by removing whole phrases, verses, and choruses, he will ask me to play a very nice introduction and improvise interludes for a few verses. I try to be polite about it but it can be very frustrating trying to put something like this together 15 minutes before a service. For now I just take things as they come and consider it good practice for the future. Is it wrong to practice only a few selections and get good at it before performing it? Do any other organists, especially the youth, have such problems with older choir directors? Better yet, does anyone have a good solution to this problem? OK, I'm off my soapbox now. We now return to regularly scheduled "pipings" of the list. _____ | | Sean M. Haley / NWOrganer | | Organist,Pianist,Composer,Piano Tech. () ()......................................() () .............................................| | .............................................|___| ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(back) Subject: "Wedding Song" From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 19:03:10 -0400 A liturgically sensitive organist makes sure the requested music is sacred music rather than something that belongs at the reception.
(back) Subject: Re: People singing [?] From: Mac Hayes <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 17:03:12 -0700 KZimme7737 wrote: > ... some 20th century organ music. To ME, much of it > sounds awful, has no melody, is mostly dissonant, and sounds > as if it's being played with boxing gloves and snow shoes on. > It's not easy for me to see through the "noise" in order to > appreciate the 'structure' of the piece, the 'mathematical > formula' or 'progression' of the chords, or the great > 'technical difficulty' of the piece ... Yes, the thought sometimes goes through my mind "What was he thinking when he wrote THAT?" What saves it for me is that I love the sound of organ pipes so much, I can tolerate a pretty high level of dissonance and tunelessness and still enjoy whatever sound comes out. -- Mac Hayes firstname.lastname@example.org Better a brick airplane than a brick boat.
(back) Subject: Judy A. Ollikkala [email@example.com] From: Ruth <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 20:26:43 -0400 From: Judy A. Ollikkala [email@example.com] liturgically sensitive organist makes sure the requested music is sacred music rather than something that belongs at the reception. Actually, That's definitely the best answer I've heard regarding the job of a sensitive (and sensible) organist. Thanks for the thought, Ruth
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of organ training... From: Shakehip <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:46:29 EDT -- If you're serious, the list is in the works, and you're also welcome to submit. Although the focus will be Jazz and Gospel, any "theatre organists" or Hammond players regardless of genre would be welcome to submit. As the focus of this board tends to lean towards pipe organs and classical (of course) it would be inappropriate to clutter up everybody's quite full e-mail boxes with periodical postings, however, I would be more than happy to notify everyone when and where the list is up... I haven't decided whether to post it on an up and coming site I'm working on or consolidate with another. The premier site to hear Hammond Jazz at present is a club which has mysteriously relocated to an undisclosed location (they were evicted for the crime of charging reasonable rates for barbequed ribs and cocktails) -- they are Showman's Cafe, located on Frederick Douglas Blvd. between 124'th and 125'th St. (purportedly)... Aside from that, obviously many Afro American churches still have their Hammond and Leslies up and running. Of course, being a Philly boy, I can name the Philly spots and also know the NY places. I would be very curious to hear more classical compositions performed on the Hammond, especially by contemporary players, but (and I hope this only shows my ignorance not a reality) can not name any ! Yours, Ed
(back) Subject: Re: ``Wedding Song'' From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:07:44 -0400 Greetings all, I have been chuckling over the comments about the ``Wedding Song''. Yes, indeed, I have had a ``bout or two'' with that selection for a few weddings but, lately, it has mysteriously disappeared from the local wedding scene. At least, when I have been approached to play a wedding, the bride has requested pieces like Flor Peeters ``Wedding Song''; ``Jesu, Joy'' of Bach; and the solo of Buxtehude ``Lord, Who at Cana's Wedding Feast''. Works based on the text ``Love Divine, all love excelling'' have been extreemly popular too. Maybe the Stookey work has left Syracuse, New York, for good. :-) However, when in my youth, there was this organist at the Presbyterian Church near my house who would always play ``The loveliest night of the year'' on the tower chimes after a wedding :-) Regards, Bonnie Beth Derby email@example.com
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of organ training... From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Frank Johnson) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:24:06 -0500 >(As a person who's focus is the superior Hammond, I've >been working on a list of Churches, bars and other places in the world that >still have up and running and played C3s and B3s.... anyone welcome to >submit.) I have my mothers pristine condition B2. Now I hate to appear un-enlightened but what is the difference between the B3 and the B2? Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156 Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156
(back) Subject: RE: "Wedding Song" From: "SM Fitzgerald" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:27:55 -0400 Weddings are not merely about the bride's wishes. It is also the faith-community's celebration, and a celebration of the larger Church. As to weddings containing only "sacred" music (in another post), there is very little music I've heard as processional or recessional music at weddings that can be classified as sacred. Classical, perhaps, but sacred, not necessarily. It would be interesting to engage in a discussion of what defines sacred music anyway. I know in different faith traditions, there are different opinions of what makes acceptable sacred music. In the Catholic tradition, this notion has been in flux the past 35 years. I guess it goes along with the notion of what makes good art. Scott Fitzgerald www.shianet.org/~orgel >Ruth's Reply, > >Isn't a sensitive organist one who plays what the Bride (not the >organist) wishes , >and then plays it in a most beautiful and musical manner?? > >Ruth
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Song From: G Sandlawn <GSandlawn@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 23:20:05 EDT Just returned from playing a wedding... I was the last minute sub..... a piece even worse than the "WEDDING SONG"..... "FLESH OF MY FLESH", a real CCM piece.... keep an eye out for it.. it's apparently becoming very popular... at least in the South. Sand Lawn
(back) Subject: RE: "Wedding Song" From: Ruth <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 23:22:40 -0400 Since my church does not perform "blessings" for the general public, but instead, performs "blessings" mostly only to our own members, I was under the impression that the bride would automatically choose sacred music, since she is well aware of the music that is acceptable to be played. Of course, as many of you mentioned, not everyone has the sensitivity to choose the proper music. So I must agree as has been pointed out, that we as organists should keep our performance holy and sanctified, and not necessarily to please the bride. I stand very much corrected for my original post. Ruth,
(back) Subject: church weddings From: Grahame Davis <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 20:55:17 -0700 Brothers and Sisters on the List, For the record, no Episcopal Priest in Tucson would marry a couple unless thay had at least six weeks of marriage guidance counselling. During that process, a rudimentary stab is made at educating the couple about the Episcopal Ceremony and what is generally appropriate musically. There are always the exceptions to the rule. However, the church I attend and many of the other Parishes here are staffed by Priests who can....."just say no" when it comes to poor quality music and liturgy. It is refreshing that none of the Episcopal Parishes in the city proper will agree to lend their names, facilities and Clergy to crass marriage ceremonies which make a mockery of a noble, timeless and ancient rite. Grahame in Tucson Arizona.