PipeChat Digest #368 - Monday, May 11, 1998
 
Re: "Wedding Song"
  by "RSiegel920" <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Re: Bruce the hypocrite- NOT!
  by "K. Horvath" <kmhorvat@wcnet.org>
Elephants and Organs
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Speaking of organ training...
  by "DEMPAR1" <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
Re: Speaking of organ training...
  by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net>
Re: Speaking of organ training...
  by "Myosotis51" <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: People directing who cannot......
  by "Satbcantor" <Satbcantor@aol.com>
Re: Speaking of organ training...
  by "CHERCAPA" <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Organist does well- thousands flock to major organ recital!
  by "W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net>
Re: Speaking of organ training...
  by "Shakehip" <Shakehip@aol.com>
Re: Speaking of organ training...
  by "Shakehip" <Shakehip@aol.com>
Re: "Wedding Song"
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Wedding Song
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
RE: "Wedding Song"
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Organist does well- thousands flock to major organ recital!
  by "KARL W KELLER" <kwkeller@juno.com>
Edith Dizon-Fitzsimmons (Cross Posted)
  by "Brian Pearson" <bpearson@adelaide.on.net>
Re: Organist does well- thousands flock to major organ recital!
  by "Patricia R. Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: "Wedding Song" From: RSiegel920 <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 07:13:52 EDT   This presumes that the bride has at least an iota of musical/liturgical knowledge. R. Siegel  
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce the hypocrite- NOT! From: "K. Horvath" <kmhorvat@wcnet.org> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 18:59:40 -0400     --------------52FDC351006167DC8F377E0C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       bruce cornely wrote:   > Thank you, Bill. > I am just waiting to win the Lotto so I can buy a redundant church in > the Northeast with a nice Hook&Hastings (or close!) in it, and play with > my doggies in the snooooooooooooow! Or, I could be kept (applications > available on request!) hehehe > > Not familiar with redundant churches. Is that an offshoot of the > Congregationalists? >       --------------52FDC351006167DC8F377E0C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML> &nbsp;   <P>bruce cornely wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Thank you, Bill. <BR>I am just waiting to win the Lotto so I can buy a redundant church in <BR>the Northeast with a nice Hook&amp;Hastings (or close!) in it, and play with <BR>my doggies in the snooooooooooooow!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Or, I could be kept (applications <BR>available on request!)&nbsp; hehehe   <P>Not familiar with redundant churches.&nbsp; Is that an offshoot of the&nbsp; Congregationalists? <BR>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> &nbsp;</HTML>   --------------52FDC351006167DC8F377E0C--        
(back) Subject: Elephants and Organs From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 07:51:15 -0400   I may be repeating, but I just saw the Discovery Channel's elephant program, which describes Joyce Poole's research into pachydermatous infrasonic communication, inspired by her remembrance of feeling as much as hearing the organ from her junior choir days, singing the "St. Matthew Passion". They had nice footage of the barefoot organist playing a fair sized three manual with a 20's style pipe fence in the balcony of an attractive hammerbeamed church. Good publicity, I'd think.   My churches' organs are Wix, and the toestuds are wide and barefoot friendly. His looked kinda pointed and dangerous to the unshod...   Paul   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of organ training... From: DEMPAR1 <DEMPAR1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:11:12 EDT   To answer your question about the difference between Hammond models, The B and C models used the exact same tone generator chassis and controls on the B2/C2 and B3/C3. B's were bottomless consoles with legs where the C's were church organs and even had church decor carvings on the consoles. The difference between the 2 and the later 3 model is the addition of some precussion rocker tabs and effects. Also, the older Hammonds used 8 pin octal vacuum tubes where the new models went to newer miniature vacuum tubes in the preamps and tone cabinets. Hammond also made a slightly larger version of the C3 which I believe they called the D. It added pedal rocker tabs and some additional pedal stops including a 32 foot bourdon. Hope this answers your question about hammond models.  
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of organ training... From: usd465@horizon.hit.net (Frank Johnson) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:43:56 -0500   Thank you for enlightening me on the Hammond models. I have never been aware of what the difference was but knew the B3 was the most highly desired. I had a man interested in my B2 but of course it's not for sale.   Frank   Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of organ training... From: Myosotis51 <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 15:48:23 EDT   In a message dated 5/10/98 10:44:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, usd465@horizon.hit.net writes:   << Thank you for enlightening me on the Hammond models. I have never been aware of what the difference was but knew the B3 was the most highly desired. >>   As I started my new church organist position today, I'm still learning about the beast I'm supposed to tame. I gather from this post it's a B3. I know it's about 12 years old, and so far seems to be pretty user-friendly.   The music director has asked me if I know of anyone who can install chimes and remote speaker(s) for this organ. It was originally speced to have this, but wasn't in the budget when the organ was installed. The church is in Center Moriches, Long Island NY. We'd also like to have a regular maintenace tech for this organ, and for the Baldwin in the sister church about 2 miles away.   Any suggestions?   Thanks, Vicki Ceruti  
(back) Subject: Re: People directing who cannot...... From: Satbcantor <Satbcantor@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:05:04 EDT   Sean and all, I've been watching the original thread from across the ditch. In recent years here, it has become common for the post which traditionally combined organist and choirleader, to be split. Now......big church, big choir, organ in the roof, probably a good idea........ Small church, seven in the choir and all gathered round the harmonium, probably a bit superfluous having a separate choir director. But the real problem with this emerging fashion over here, is the very large number of dismal, musically challenged, swollen head types who seem to gravitate into the role. For the organist and choir to be directed 'from the floor' is fine when the director is a musician. But so often here, a senior member of the choir has been allowed to assume the role (often during an organist interregnum) and quickly auto-mutates into a full-blown director of music. As organist, I have played under some fine directors and have valued the things they have taught me, enjoyed the challenge of trying to match up to that director's expectations. But at my last post, the 'choir director' had no training, no musical insight, no interest in any music he had not already done many times before, and had a totally vacant expression when I asked for a big upbeat when I was sight reading. I soon realised that ALL his conducting was the mid-air equivalent of tapping the table. (4/4 time ,so far as he was concerned, meant four down beats per bar, each accompanied of course by four upbeats) . It was about three months later when I discovered that not only could he not conduct or sing, neither could he play even one finger on a keyboard. I've been trying to find a way of concluding this without sounding like a total big-head........ perhaps I am one, waddyathink ?   Regards to all, Chris Baker-Willis  
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of organ training... From: CHERCAPA <CHERCAPA@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:29:40 EDT   Dear Vicki, If remote speakers are those which are some distance from the organ, a B-3 should have speakers outside of the console and they can be moved anywhere. If you want more, call your local music store or band supply store (Rock type) They have anything you need including Leslies if you want (spinning speakers)If you wan chimes, a small chime keyboard can be attached to the console or installed under the keyboard by youyr local music store. Both Degan and Mayland are available from Organ Supply Industries, in Erie, Pa. Sincerely, Paul P. Valtos  
(back) Subject: Organist does well- thousands flock to major organ recital! From: " W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:52:01 -0400     Maybe that's putting it a little to high up. My organ concert went very well and the people were happy and thrilled!!!! I'll write more later, I'm still on the high of it all!! But just a note that it was sucessful. YES!!!     Sincerely,   Will Scarboro New Concert Organist!!!   **************************************************** Will Scarboro, Organ Historian (In Training) Organist, Pineda Presbyterian Church, Melbourne, Florida U.S.A 1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow Municipal Organ Research Project ****************************************************    
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of organ training... From: Shakehip <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:35:09 EDT   In a message dated 5/10/1998 12:53:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Myosotis51@aol.com writes:   << As I started my new church organist position today, I'm still learning about the beast I'm supposed to tame. I gather from this post it's a B3. I know it's about 12 years old, and so far seems to be pretty user-friendly. The music director has asked me if I know of anyone who can install chimes and remote speaker(s) for this organ. >>   Hmmmm... chimes on a B3... novel idea... I was thinking of going down the basement, dismantling some of the plumbing and trying to turn mine into a budget cathedral organ, but seriously, if its only 12 years old it can't be a Hammond. I think in the early 80's there was a brief come back for the monster, but basically they went out in '74 I believe.   You need to check in the back for the model... most organs have a plate. If the thing has a lot of draw bars, only a few tabs here and there, and lot's of Jazz musicians are banging at the door offering to buy it... then its definitely a Hammond B3...   Yours,   Ed  
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of organ training... From: Shakehip <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:42:08 EDT   In a message dated 5/10/1998 4:31:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CHERCAPA@aol.com writes:   << If you want more, call your local music store or band supply store (Rock type) They have anything you need including Leslies if you want (spinning speakers)If you wan chimes, a small chime keyboard can be attached to the console or installed under the keyboard by youyr local music store. >>   Let me over a voice of disent for a moment on that... if it is a Hammond, don't let anyone but an experienced Hammond repairman do work on it. It's rare for your average music shop to have anyone who really knows how to fix them and get them up and ticking, and if its not properly fixed and a rebuild, the money you save will go back to multiple trips to the repair shop. Plus you're looking at mucho bucks if they mess up. As for Leslies, keep in mind you're looking at $1,000 used and about $2,000 new... This is just my opinion, but if for some amazing reason you decide to use the Hammond without a Leslie, run it through a good equalizer. The only Leslie you should consider is the 122 and 145. Usually it has to be wired in to the console.   Yours,   Ed  
(back) Subject: Re: "Wedding Song" From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:04:06   At 12:17 05/09/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Given what heresy this song text implies, might you get the singer to sing >something else? > Cordially, > > Karl E. Moyer > Lancaster PA       Bride requested it, soloist agreed to sing it, I'm staying out of it. Weddings are difficult enough without adding to the fray.... especially at this church where we have a new wedding consultant (yes, she's on staff). At a wedding rehearsal Friday (traditionally attended by organist.... sometimes this is good), the consultant constantly turned to me, with 30 years of wedding-playing behind me, to ask about protocol. Sheesh. Anyway, I'm keeping my distance! :)   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Song From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:09:39   Excellent advice, Laurie. Thank you for responding directly to the request instead of voicing your opinion. I'm not a fan of it either, folks, but here it is, and I'm trying to make the best of the situation. Advice on how to survive the piece as musically as it can is greatly appreciated.   The soloist I'm working with is a third-year college voice major, at Westminster Choir College. She knows her stuff... she's also the daughter of two opera singers who recently retired from successful careers in singing opera in Germany. :) This one's gonna be fun, once we get past this and "On Eagle's Wings".....   --Shirley   At 13:28 05/09/98 EDT, you wrote: > I've had to play this piece more often than I care to tell, but since >weddings, funerals, and bar/t mitzvahs were my ticket to Europe and >other wonderful places, I'm not too traumatized. Here is one >solution on getting through the piece:    
(back) Subject: RE: "Wedding Song" From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:18:11   At 22:27 05/09/98 -0400, Scott Fitzgerald wrote:   >As to weddings containing only "sacred" music (in another post), there is >very little music I've heard as processional or recessional music at >weddings that can be classified as sacred. Classical, perhaps, but sacred, >not necessarily.     This is true. I took a stand many years ago that I would not play a pop song at any wedding. At the time, "We've Only Just Begun" was making the circuit, and I vehemently disagreed (still do) that it was appropriate for a church wedding.   Anyway, I was having this discussion with a member of my choir at the time..... told him I wouldn't play anything "pop" for church weddings. His answer: "Well, you play Wedding Marches from operas... *they're* not sacred!" I had no answer for him.... had to think about that one.   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Organist does well- thousands flock to major organ recital! From: kwkeller@juno.com (KARL W KELLER) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:47:32 -0400   After hearing Will play during the OHS convention in Philadelphia I had not doubt that his concert would be a great success. Congratulations Will, keep up the good work.   Karl Musica est Dei donum optimi   On Sun, 10 May 1998 19:52:01 -0400 " W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net> writes: > > Maybe that's putting it a little to high up. My organ >concert >went very well and the people were happy and thrilled!!!! I'll write >more >later, I'm still on the high of it all!! But just a note that it was >sucessful. YES!!! > > > Sincerely, > > Will Scarboro > New Concert Organist!!! > > **************************************************** >Will Scarboro, Organ Historian (In Training) >Organist, Pineda Presbyterian Church, > Melbourne, Florida U.S.A >1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow >Municipal Organ Research Project >**************************************************** > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Edith Dizon-Fitzsimmons (Cross Posted) From: bpearson@adelaide.on.net (Brian Pearson) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:40:22 +0930     I recently received an e-mail from the sight impaired but very alert and= life celebrating organist Edith Dizon-Fitzsimmons, who now lives in the= small but very pleasant city of Shepparton amidst the stone fruit orchards= and dairy farms near the River Murray in northern Victoria, Australia.= Edith has for very many years been an organist, and has lived in the United= States as well as her native Philippine Republic and Australia. Those of= you who remember her in her theatre organ days or in her church positions= will, I am sure, be interested to know from her own keyboard how this fine= lady is faring, and something of her recent history.   Brian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:10:04 -0700 =46rom: Edith Dizon-Fitzsimmons <dizon@hdc.com.au> Subject: Hello! Thanks for news re organs & organists' doings. To: bpearson@adelaide.on.net   Dear Brian, I haven't yet gotten over the Easter Adelaide Spectacular Organ =46estival. Lew Williams is a musical genius, playing from memory that vast= repertoire from classics to pops, with their respective registrations.= There was no time wasted between selections. The Widor Toccata was a bonus.= I wish to thank the Adelaide TOSA for organizing this musical feast.   I was the blind (legally) organist who dared to play at the Open Console segments on Sunday at the Grammar School, and Monday morning at the Capri Theatre. It was a bit awesome to play on instruments without any previous practice but it was good to get the opportunity of making joyful noises on them. =20 I was in the U.S. from 1990 to 1995, doing a Bachelor of Music, majoring in Music Therapy at the Michigan State University (East Lansing)= and a 7-month internship as music therapist at the Kalamazoo Regional= Psychiatric Hospital. It was amazing how music affected the mentally-ill, I was one of the few staff members who didn't have an ashtray= thrown at them. I belonged then to the American Guild of Organists (AGO)= Fort Worth chapter   After three bitter winters in Michigan, I decided to move to a warmer state for my Master's degree, so I was accepted at the Texas Woman's University (Denton),and was deputy organist at the Trinity Presbyterian Church in Denton. While in Texas, I was invited to join the North Texas chapter of ATOS and in December 1994, they arranged for me to play a concert at their newly restored three-manual Barton(?) theatre pipe organ at= the Lockwood Cinema in Dallas.=20   While in the U.S.A. I tried very much to get in touch with my idol, Ethel= Smith, the popular Hammond organist of the late 1930's. I even enlisted the= help of Mike Borone, producer of the radio program "Pipe Dreams", who= referred me to the Florida chapter of ATOS. Their reply to my letter= regarding my wish to contact Ethel Smith was that she was in retirement= somewhere in Florida but preferred to be a recluse. I heard that she died= last year. Perhaps she wished to be remembered as the beautiful organist= playing "Tico-tico" and "The Breeze and I".=20   I returned to Australia in August 1995 as a registered Music Therapist, both= in America and here, as Music Therapist for nursing homes and Blind= Centres, studying pipe organ with Sergio di Pieri (from Venice), and doing= my Ph.D. candidature at La Trobe University Education Department in= Melbourne. I am playing "A Pleasant Sunday Afternoon" recital at the= Shepparton (Victoria) Wesley Church on May 10, and another one on May 31,= at the Tatura Presbyterian Church, in aid of their organ funds, and partly= for the Philippine House project at the Shepparton International Village.= Never a dull moment! =20   That's all for now. My greetings to my friends anywhere in Michigan,= Florida, Texas, California, the Philippines, and in Sydney, Canberra,&= Melbourne who remember my "joyful noises".   All the best, Edith Dizon-Fitzsimmons      
(back) Subject: Re: Organist does well- thousands flock to major organ recital! From: patmai@juno.com (Patricia R. Maimone) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:30:49 -0400   Dear Will (Scarboro) and all who played a recital or concert today,   > Maybe that's putting it a little to high up. My organ >concert went very well and the people were happy and thrilled!!!! Congratulations! Whether you had a full house or just a faithful few on a dreary 10th day of rain of the northeast...   <snip >I'm still on the high of it all!!   May you maintain that feeling throughout your career, and may it help you to plan your next recital as well as get through some of the tougher moments, before, during and after recitals!   Pat Maimone   Belated Happy Mother's Day to all mothers on the list. If your mother encouraged you to take lessons, practice, or drove you to and from the church to practice.. why not thank her for that?   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]