PipeChat Digest #370 - Tuesday, May 12, 1998
 
Organs List
  by "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com>
Re: Piano study vs. organ study
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Guy Henderson and PIPORG-L
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Piano study vs. organ study
  by "Sean Haley" <newgershwin@hotmail.com>
Re: Piano study poll - - was Wedding Potpourri
  by "Peggy C. Bie" <peggyb@gate.net>
Re: The Legend--GEORGE WRIGHT--Thoughts--
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Piano/Organ
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
RE: Piano study vs. organ study
  by "Ruth" <theraven@istar.ca>
organ lessons first
  by "Ruth" <theraven@istar.ca>
Re: Piano/Organ
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: organ lessons first
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
What is Happening at Coral Ridge?
  by <JEKroep@hrn.bradley.edu>
Re: Wedding Potpourri
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
RE: Piano study vs. organ study
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Piano study vs. organ study
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
 


(back) Subject: Organs List From: "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:44:06 -0400   > Can someone please post the subscription address of the Organ mailing list > that is mostly Hammond players and techs (Ham tech ?) for Vicki ?   To subscribe to the list, send email to majordomo@mailgate.wizvax.net with subscribe organs as the body of the message. The list is open, public, and unmoderated.            
(back) Subject: Re: Piano study vs. organ study From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:51:58 -0400   Tom Rishel started out on a two octave keyboard at age 5. Me too! Mine was a wonderful 25 note wind-blown reed organ by Emenee with a lovely plastic pipe facade. Unfortunately, the pipe facade fell victim to the extremes of the baroque revival. How I wish that little machine had been bronzed!!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Guy Henderson and PIPORG-L From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:52:56 EDT   << Please! Would some-one tell me why the retirement of Guy Henderson from another list has to be brought to PipeChat-L? It seems to me that this list is not the place for such a discussion. Let's stick to matters organic. >>   Dear Bob, and list,   I sent a *private* note to Bruce Cornely the other day, and accidentally hit the wrong button and sent it to the Pipechat list. I sent an apology to the Pipechatters right after, which some may not have seen.   This was an accident, not wasted bandwidth as such.   I am truly sorry about all this. Folks, PLEASE, let's move on.   Sincerely, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: Piano study vs. organ study From: "Sean Haley" <newgershwin@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:15:07 PDT       Hello everyone, As this debate continues I cannot argue the fact that the need for more organists is a pressing issue. Personally I think that a young person should not attempt to attack the many things needed to play an organ well without basic keyboard technique. It is essential that anyone learning the organ knows how to press the keys in a trained fashion. As for me I began playing on one of the first Casio keyboards at the age of 5. I didn't take piano until I was 9, taking up the organ at 11. Even though it took a few years for my organ ability to catch up with my piano ablity, it helped a grea deal to have the basic technique learned making mys study of playing the organ even easier and more enjoyable.   _____ | | Sean M. Haley / NWOrganer | | Organist,Pianist,Composer,Piano Tech. () ()......................................() () .............................................| | .............................................|___|     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Piano study poll - - was Wedding Potpourri From: "Peggy C. Bie" <peggyb@gate.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:49:00 -0400   For me 10 yrs piano study before organ study, another 10 for both at the same time.   Rev. Peggy C. Bie "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." -Anais Nin http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/1095  
(back) Subject: Re: The Legend--GEORGE WRIGHT--Thoughts-- From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:18:39 EDT   In a message dated 98-05-11 16:57:01 EDT, Dan Bellomy wrote:   << I feel like I must say a few things regarding the passing of The Living Legend--or maybe now just "the Legend"--George Wright.   (LARGE SNIP) >>   Dan, that was one of the finest tributes to one of the finest musicians, that I've ever read. You obviously held him in affectionate esteem. Thanks for sharing.   Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Piano/Organ From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:46:29 -0400   10 years of piano ages 5-15, then organ. One has enough trouble with the pedals without trying to learn everything at once.  
(back) Subject: RE: Piano study vs. organ study From: Ruth <theraven@istar.ca> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:48:58 -0400   I started out on organ.( Old home style organ) I only wish that formal classical/church organ training would have been more available. I love organ, and I am taking lessons again. I cannot play the piano. That's actually kind of too bad. I also love piano. Oh well, I am learning the Alto and "C" Sax instead. Having fun with those.   Ruth  
(back) Subject: organ lessons first From: Ruth <theraven@istar.ca> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:58:23 -0400   Part of the reason that many teachers prefer piano lessons first is the supporting courses and supplemental teachings that go with piano = courses.   I have not heard or seen too many organ study courses that teach theory, = ear training, scales, sight reading, all the good stuff that goes along = naturally with piano lessons. If there were more properly laid out classical/church organ = courses, AND all of the associated technical "stuff", then piano may not be pushed as = much.   Anyway, that was my experience when I was learning.    
(back) Subject: Re: Piano/Organ From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:36:02 -0400   >one has enough trouble with the pedals >without trying to learn too much at one time.   Judy, If one starts on the organ at age 9, the pedals would not be a problem, and there is plenty of easy stuff to play ("from a wigwam" works great on a choir clarinet!). By the time 11 or 12 is reached, so are the second and third manuals, and maybe the pedals, also the 2' stops and reeds if you have a drawknob console!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: organ lessons first From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:50:29 -0400   >ear training, sight reading, scales, theory....   imagine how much more fun it would be to play contrary motion scales with the left hand on a Cromorne and the right hand on a Cornet. Ear training to include not only pitches and intervals but tone colors as well. Theory to include intervals, stop pitches & the harmonic series. Seems it would be much more interesting and fun on the organ; it was for me!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: What is Happening at Coral Ridge? From: JEKroep@hrn.bradley.edu Date: 11 May 1998 22:18:56 CST/CDT   Dear Pipers:   I am very interested to find out the up-to-date details about the searchat Coral Ridge. It was probaly already announced, but I did not see it.   Thanks,     Jonathan Kroepel    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Potpourri From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:32:50   At 11:14 05/11/98 -0500, Vernon wrote:   > >I was very much alive and kicking when that song first came out, and I >think it served a purpose then. A lot of today's young brides are using >that song because it reminds their parents of *their* weddings, when the >song was probably sung in an attempt to have something "new" and >"refreshing" added to the music selections.     OK, I have a confession. I (well, ok, it's really "we") celebrate 20 years of wedded bliss on Wednesday. We were young and emotional beings in 1978, young in our faith as well. I was O/DM at an American Baptist Church. We brought in the organist who played at all the conferences at Green Lake (ABC-affiliated retreat center in Wisconsin) and who was chairman of the organ department at a local Christian college to play. I handed him the repertoire... ALL Bach. :)   Interspersed among the Bach was the arrangement I wrote of "O Perfect Love" for bell choir and adult choir, sung from the balcony (organ was in front), and conducted by a 14-year-old talented young lady, and "Wedding Song" sung and played on the guitar by a 13-year-old young man.   Twenty years later, sure, I would do it differently... I'm a different person than I was then. But that music reflected us both, and reflected our personalization of the music for our wedding.   While I have a difficult time with brides in a lot of ways, I need to remember that this is *their* day. It is special to them in a very personal way, and I'm there to serve that, within reason.   <<snippety>>   >If you want to argue this point, let's take a poll: how many PipeChatters >started on the organ and learned piano later, as opposed to vice-versa? >What would they prefer for their own children, or recommend to somebody who >knew neither instrument?   I had piano lessons for 7 years before I started taking organ lessons. Took lessons for all of, oh, about 5 years I think, and then went out and played in church and TO concerts. When I finally decided to go to college, in my late 30s, what did I major in? Piano. It was new, refreshing, and I'm glad I did.   As for my kids, I want piano first, only because they can't reach pedals yet. (Well, not the little one, anyway.) Also, the piano is a less difficult instrument to learn for a kid, because one only needs to concentrate on one keyboard, no pedals, no registration. Also, the acoustic feel of the piano is important to develop.   --Shirley   PS - My first date with the man who became my hubby was to Wanamaker's to hear Keith Chapman, ATOS convention, 1976. :)        
(back) Subject: RE: Piano study vs. organ study From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:03:52   At 17:14 05/11/98 -0400, Scott wrote:   >What I found more difficult was after many years of >formal classical guitar study, organ study meant having to translate fingers >and learning not to attack the keys like strings!   Har! I have tried twice now, once for a course requirement, to play the guitar. And I get lost! Every fret looks and feels alike... there's no reference point like there is with the black keys on the keyboard! Also, the same pitch can be in several different locations, depending on fingering and what string is used. On piano, middle C, for example, or A440, are only in *one* place.   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Piano study vs. organ study From: Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:11:18 -0700   Since this is PipeChat, I'll throw in my 2-pence (heaven forbid I'd volunteer any personal info on PIPORG-L or, Fur Shur not ORGUE-L).   I never had formal organ instruction*, just intermittent piano lessons from about age 10. I was going to say I never played organ except in private, but I tend to forget that I actually did a friends' wedding about ten years ago. Maybe I forget because it was on a Hammond. Didn't use tremolo (or whatever Hammond calls it), but I may have used Chorus. I refused a later request to do another wedding, too nerve-wracking for me; but I suppose I did acceptably considering I hadn't played the organ in fifteen years.   *I lied; I had 2 or three lessons on my church's Hammond in 1950, then a couple of lessons on a Baldwin 5, from J. Max Kruwel in 1955. I quit when JMK said my next lesson would be on the EM Skinner (Grand Avenue Temple, Kansas City). I was totally intimidated at the thought of playing THAT organ. I quit college and joined the Air Force shortly after that -- maybe related, maybe not.   -- Mac Hayes mach37@ptw.com Better a brick airplane than a brick boat.