PipeChat Digest #374 - Friday, May 15, 1998
 
COTOS May Meeting
  by <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com>
RE: Entreat me not to leave thee
  by "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com>
Lowrey Update: My supercharged H-25-3
  by "TonyIn219" <TonyIn219@aol.com>
Ruth
  by "Ruth" <theraven@istar.ca>
Re: Lowrey Update: My supercharged H-25-3
  by "GRS Co LVR" <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Ruth on Ruth
  by "ComposerTX" <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: Entreat me not to leave thee
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Theatre Sheet Music Request
  by "TonyIn219" <TonyIn219@aol.com>
moving on
  by "Beau Surratt" <beaupiano@earthlink.net>
Re: Dr. Moyer's *funny*
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
RCGO in London, Ont. CA
  by "SM Fitzgerald" <orgel@shianet.org>
Chicago TO's
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
Re: organist's tricks
  by "Bill 6827" <Bill6827@aol.com>
Re: organist's tricks
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: organist's tricks
  by "ComposerTX" <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Sprinkler Systems
  by "Brandon Cash" <bcash@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
Re: Sprinkler Systems
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Mozart K. 594 (x-post)
  by "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com>
 


(back) Subject: COTOS May Meeting From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:11:54 -0400     Central Ohio Theatre Organ Society's May Meeting May 17, 1998 - 3 pm The Residence of Dr. Karl Saunders 360 Broadview Ave., Zanesville, OH Wurlitzer 3/30 Chris Elliott at the console   Directions: From the Columbus area, travel East on I-70 to the Zanesville State Street exit (exit a 153) Turn left at the top of the ramp, then left again at the first stop light, which is State St., later becoming Blue Avenue. Turn right onto Adair Ave., then stay in the left lane, turning left onto Maple Av. Stay on the right lane, to the point where the road forms a "Y". Take the right fork which is Dresden Rd. Proceed past Westviews School, a residential area and the First Christian Church, turning right onto Broadview Av. The Saunders' home is a two story brick with two entrance pillars at the driveway.   Travel time from Columbus is a little over an hour. Allow an extra 15 - 20 minutes for city travel time in Zanesville.     Stan Krider, of COTOS, tells me that this is a "pristine theatre organ superbly maintained," and it will be played by a very fine organist.    
(back) Subject: RE: Entreat me not to leave thee From: "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:44:15 -0700   > From: Karl E. Moyer[SMTP:kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu] > > And, of course, it's a love song of one woman for another. (The > first lesbian song?) > Oh, come on, now! This is ludicrous! How narrow and shallow. This is the limitation of the English language. We have only one word for "love." In the original Greek and Hebrew, there are several.   For example, "eros" is love between a man and a woman. "Agape" means Christian love or charity. "Phileo" is the same as friendship, which is probably what this love song was conveying.   "The first lesbian song"? Sheesh! Get a life, Karl. Let's get back to organ-talk.  
(back) Subject: Lowrey Update: My supercharged H-25-3 From: TonyIn219 <TonyIn219@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:28:56 EDT   Just a note to let everyone know I added another powerful Roland amp to my H-25-3. I now have 400 watts of sound on the 15" main, the 10" Leslie and four 6" x 9"s on the inside; and two 16" full-ranges with ported bass (the kind of speakers that pop in and out when the volume goes up), 2 6x9s and 2 horn tweeters on the outside.   My next step is to run four 1/4" jacks off the preamp (strings, horns, flutes and percussion) and hook them into the four adjustable inputs on the Rolands.   I then plan on using the sound to blow the house off the foundation.   I no longer have "just" a Lowrey. I am creating a monster.   These are the days when I'm grateful that I live in a National park. My neighbors are hundreds of feet away, and there is no one behind me or across the street.   If this works, maybe I'll build a pole barn and install a George Wright special.   John Carrington Chesterton, Indiana  
(back) Subject: Ruth From: Ruth <theraven@istar.ca> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:57:00 -0400   The song of "Ruth" from the bible is actually a love song between Man = and Woman and their God. Ruth's greatest honor to her husband was to follow "his = God", as she was of a different belief before their marriage. She dedicated herself to follow her mother in law, out of love for her = husband. Hence, Ruth's words "wither so ever thou goest, I will also go, = and your god is my god".=20 This was out of love and honor to her husband ( even in death).   Ruth      
(back) Subject: Re: Lowrey Update: My supercharged H-25-3 From: GRS Co LVR <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:38:50 EDT   John: Yes,,,you have created a monster indeed!...I liked your last line best,,,do build the pole barn and install the George Wright special,,,it will be much more satisfying,,,IMHO,, and I am betting that the Lowrey will become a pile in the corner. Hope springs eternal! Pipes forever! hehehe . What a GREAT location you have!   Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Ruth on Ruth From: ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:40:54 EDT   In a message dated 98-05-14 11:28:31 EDT, you write:   << The song of "Ruth" from the bible is actually a love song between Man and Woman and their God. Ruth's greatest honor to her husband was to follow "his God", as she was of a different belief before their marriage. She dedicated herself to follow her mother in law, out of love for her husband. Hence, Ruth's words "wither so ever thou goest, I will also go, and your god is my god". This was out of love and honor to her husband ( even in death). Ruth >>   Ruth, I think your interpretation of Naomi's words is a stretch. There is nothing in the text that suggests that Ruth clung to Naomi out of honor or love toward her husband, though that may have been the case. But to state it as fact is not rational.   After all, Ruth did NOT say, "My husband's God will be my God." She said to Naomi, "...for where YOU go, I will go, and where YOU lodge, I will lodge. YOUR people shall be my people, and YOUR God, my God."   She continued with "Thus may the Lord do to me, and worse, if anything but death parts YOU and ME." Ruth made a vow to Naomi; by using this ancient formula invoking divine punishment, she invited the worst possible consequences if she were not true to her vow. This vow was NOT made to Naomi's son, it was made to Naomi.   It has always struck me as inronic that the Christian ceremony between two people of opposite gender uses as its standard a vow between two people of the same gender.   Danny Ray ComposerTX@AOL.com [emphasis is mine; some quotes from the Ryrie Study Bible, Moody Press, 1976]  
(back) Subject: Re: Entreat me not to leave thee From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:27:12 -0400 (EDT)     My apologies for not doing a better job of differentiating comment of substance Para 1 below) from a poor joke (para 2). I stand by my first paragraph in terms of what people hear within the context of the wedding and out of the context of all the worthwhile biblical understandings my "joke" has engendered. Those accurate explanations make no difference to the person hearing it as a solo at a wedding and reduce it to the FUNCTION of "I Love You Truly" for such persons.   It is a poor wedding solo, biblical background notwithstanding.   Karl On Wed, 13 May 1998, Karl E. Moyer wrote:   > > Out of context, it is merely a love song. That its text comes > from the bible makes no difference when people hear it; thus, in function, > it's hardly "sacred." > > And, of course, it's a love song of one woman for another. (The > first lesbian song?) > Karl E. Moyer > Lancaster PA > > On Wed, 13 May 1998, KZimme7737 wrote: > > > If you're wanting sacred music at weddings, this is a sacred song. I > > accompanied an arrangement of this many years ago - I thought it was a good > > song. > > > > One problem with the song that might make it a gray area for weddings is that, > > in the Bible that is, this text is not between a bride and groom. It is > > between the widow Ruth and her widowed mother in law, Naomi. > > > > O well, time to go to bed. > > Keith > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Theatre Sheet Music Request From: TonyIn219 <TonyIn219@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:32:51 EDT   Gawd work is boring today. So. . .   I just thought I'd send another entry up to pipechat.   Does anyone know where I could find sheet music for My Vision or the serenade from the Student Prince? I'd love to play these pieces for my debut public performance.   I am located in Chicago (during the day).   Thank you ever so kindly,   John Carrington Chesterton, Indiana Lowrey Artiste Extraordinaire   Q: "Whah is mah fanger lahk a pah? (Why is my finger like a pie?)" A: "Cuz it's got meringue on it!"   Get it?  
(back) Subject: moving on From: Beau Surratt <beaupiano@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:48:28 -0500   Hi All!!! My organ/piano teacher told me yesterday that he thought I should move on to another teacher. He thinks he has taught me all he CAN teach me. I am going to begin taking organ SOME this summer, with the orgnist at the main United Methodist church in Jackson,my chorus teacher, Mrs. Jean Hammons. I don't know who I will take from this fall, because I don't think the organ teacher at the Union University here in Jacksion teaches private lessons, I will have to see. But anyway, I thougt I would tell you this because you might be intersted, and could maybe give me some advice (?).     Beau Beau Surratt beaupiano@earthlink.net Organist, Bemis United Methodist Church Student, South Side High School    
(back) Subject: Re: Dr. Moyer's *funny* From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:36:14 EDT   << "The first lesbian song"? Sheesh! Get a life, Karl. Let's get back to organ-talk. >>   Hold on thar, Richard! We in effect started this by discussing wedding music and how to play it on the organ.   As most list members know, Dr. Moyer is a *distinguished* musician, both as teacher/scholar and as performer. I believe that people like that have an understated type of humor, which is quite different from those who, like me, have blue-collar roots.   In other words, Dr. Moyer was making a funny... in his style! :-)   It's always good to hear from him, as well as everyone else who posts. Let's not be too critical of each other... life is too short, and the number of people interested in the King (er, Monarch- to be p.c.) of Instruments is too small, to have that!   Peace, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: RCGO in London, Ont. CA From: "SM Fitzgerald" <orgel@shianet.org> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:40:56 -0400   Hello all,   Does anyone know anything about the upcoming convention in Ontario? Or plans to go?   Scott Fitzgerald Owosso, MI www.shianet.org/~orgel      
(back) Subject: Chicago TO's From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:16:12 -0400   Greetings everyone---   Regarding the Wurlitzer at Mundelein Seminary and/or the Wurlitzer at the Chicago Theatre----If you have any information about the usability and condition of either or both of these instruments, would you be so kind as to email privately. The information will be greatly appreciated.   Thanks in advance,   Dan Bellomy    
(back) Subject: Re: organist's tricks From: Bill 6827 <Bill6827@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:35:32 EDT   Greetings Folks, I hate to break up a neat thread, but I happened to have been the organist for 14 yrs prior to Tommy Brinkley(by the way, he was one of my dearest friends until his passing 2 years ago.) The organ that I played and that he subsiquently played had no 32' foot pedal stops of any kind. The only pizzazz that we had in the pedal was a 16' Bombarde that was a solo division 8' bombarde extension. This organ actually had Schtinken (sp) pipes from Germany in the Great Div., but the rest was kind of a hodgepodge from here there and everywhere. Some were even from the 1910 Odell. The present horizontal trumpet is from that instrument.   Regards to all, Bill Hanson, DDS  
(back) Subject: Re: organist's tricks From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:41:34 -0400   Bill 6827 wrote: (snip)... > This organ actually had Schtinken (sp) pipes from Germany in the Great > Div., but the rest was kind of a hodgepodge from here there and everywhere. ....(snip)   If the Makin organ company merged with the German company mentioned above, would the new company become "Makin-Schtinken Organs"?   Stan :-)  
(back) Subject: Re: organist's tricks From: ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:49:01 EDT   thanks for refreshing my memory, Tommy Brinkley told me the story while he was at 1st Baptist in Wichita Falls, which does have a 32 Bourdon under expression; just chalk this one up to old age . . . mine. Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: Sprinkler Systems From: Brandon Cash <bcash@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:29:22 -0400 (EDT)     This week, the tuner at the organ company I work for and I were out on a tuning run not far outside Knoxville, Tennessee. Part of the reason that we tuned the organ on that particular day was that we were supposed to meet the the crew completing the sprinkler system in the church. Beforehand, in discussing where they might want to the sprinkler heads in the room with the organ, we figured they'd want to put one under the organ since it was at least 10 feet above the floor and blocked a great deal of the water that would come from the heads in the ceiling. This was fairly logical, but still a tad risky.   Well, later that afternoon, the crew arrives and we all file up to the organ. The man proceeds to tell us that they have to put a sprinkler head in each of the enclosed divisions, not just under the organ. Take into consideration this is a constantly charged wet system. Everyone on this list knows what kind of damage a bezerk sprinkler head could do to an organ, much less one that's inside the chamber. With one fail swoop, someone could be practically buying themselves a new organ.   I'm interested to know from all the technicians and service people on the list, and anyone with anything on this subject, any other examples of this being done. Are there any nightmare stories about a sprinkler going wild? Any similar situations like this from the past?   Thanks,   Brandon Cash    
(back) Subject: Re: Sprinkler Systems From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:07:19 -0400   I have one word for this situation: insurance.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Mozart K. 594 (x-post) From: "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 03:01:11 -0400   Dear List,   I would appreciate your ideas on registering Mozart's F Minor Fantasie (K. 594) for the following Aeolian-Skinner (Asbury United Methodist, York, PA).   Thanks, Kurt Kehler   SWELL   Lieblich Gedecht 16 Stopped Diapason 8 Geigen Diapason 8 Vox Humana 8 Viole Atheria 8 Viole de Gambe 8 Viole Celeste 8 Octave Geigen 4 Flute 4 Mixture III Oboe 8 Trompette 8 Chimes Tremolo   GREAT   Flute Conique 16 Principal Diapason 8 Second Diapason 8 Spitzflote 8 Bordun 8 Octave Diapason 4 Gemshorn 4 Grave Mixture II Tuba 8 Chimes   CHOIR   Dulciana 8 Orchestral Flute 8 Unda Maris 8 Nazard 2 2/3 Clarinet 8 Harp 8 Celesta 4 Chimes Tremolo   PEDAL   Open Diapason 16 Bourdon 16 Flute Conique 16 (GR) Lieblich Gedacht 16 (SW) Principal 8 Stille Gedacht 8 (Sw)