PipeChat Digest #376 - Saturday, May 16, 1998
 
Re: Sprinkler Systems - Late Cross Post
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: PipeChat Digest #375 - 05/15/98
  by "Gene Stroble" <mightymagic@earthlink.net>
Ahlborn Module Question
  by "Robert Ehrhardt" <ehr@softdisk.com>
Re: Ahlborn Module Question
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net>
Re: Sprinkler Systems - Late Cross Post
  by <RUSCZYK@ix.netcom.com>
Re: Sprinkler Systems - Halon
  by "PipeLuvr" <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Re: Mozart K. 594
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Andante in G-Pilgrim's Song of Hope
  by "JKVDP" <JKVDP@aol.com>
My Bitter, "Piano First" Disaster Story
  by "TonyIn219" <TonyIn219@aol.com>
Pipe Organ Digital Controls
  by "Paul Swank" <prswank@concentric.net>
Re: My Bitter, "Piano First" Disaster Story
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Pipe Organ Digital Controls
  by "Picander" <Picander@aol.com>
Re: Entreat me not to leave thee
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Seinfeld comes to PipeChat: The Posting about Nothing At All (was Re: Moz
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Re: Entreat me not to leave thee
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Seinfeld comes to PipeChat: The Posting about Nothing At All (was	Re:
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
TWO IN ONE WEEK!
  by "Ian B. McLean" <solotibia@enternet.com.au>
Re: TWO IN ONE WEEK!
  by "David McPeak" <dm726@delphi.com>
Re: Wedding Music Selections
  by "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com>
Re: Ahlborn Module Question
  by "John (Jack) Cormack" <jackjack@erols.com>
Re: Seinfeld comes to PipeChat: The Posting about Nothing At All (was	Re:
  by "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com>
Re: Pipe Organ Digital Controls
  by "ComposerTX" <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: Seinfeld comes to PipeChat: The Posting about Nothing At All(was Re: 
  by "ComposerTX" <ComposerTX@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Sprinkler Systems - Late Cross Post From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:29:37 -0400   To Bob Acker and others that might be interested.   Do I take it, then, that Halon Gas Systems are no longer being used? I vaguely remember seeing something about them recently, was there some sort of problem with their use?   Bob Conway   At 09:11 AM 5/15/98 EDT, you wrote: >Brandon and Pipe Chat list: > >A while back, I posted the following on Piporg-L and from private responses it >has been helpful. I hope that you and the Pipechat Gang may find it of use >as well. > >As a Fire Chief and an organ lover I have struggled with the same issues, >i.e., how to protect without that very protection damaging the organ. After >working at length with our fire protection engineers, I have come to the >conclusion that any project I am acquainted with will have what is known as a >"PreAction" Fire Sprinkler System. In this system all sprinkler heads are >closed (i.e., non-fused) and there is no water in the piping until turned on >by a separate alarm system. Even the separate alarm system can be cross-zoned >so that two detectors on two different circuits must agree that their is fire >or smoke before the water is turned on to the piping. Note that even then, >water doesn't flow until a sprinkler head actually fuses (at approximately 165 >degrees at which point water damage is mute)! The sequence of these systems >is as follows: > > (1) Smoke detector on alarm system zone 1 says "Hey, l I've got a fire!" > > (2) Smoke detector on alarm system zone 2 agrees, saying "Hey, me > too!" > > (3) The fire alarm panel then opens the sprinkler system valve allowing > the piping pre-fill with water which still does not flow anywhere >but > in the pipes. > > (4) The Fire Department arrives and handles the situation, OR > > (5) A single sprinkler head, directly over the fire, actually fuses and > applies water to the fire. > >The beauty of this system is that if you knock off a sprinkler head, no water >flows unless the piping has already been charged by the alarm system. On the >other head, if a detector malfunctions, an alarm is sent, but no water flows >because the sprinkler has not fused. These systems are used all the time ... >libraries, the National Archives, etc.! > >As to sprinkler piping/head placement, there are a variety of different heads >available, but I would probably want to go with recessed overhead standard >sprinklers. They work quicker when really needed, aren't in the way, and >don't take up any of that valuable wall "offset" space! > >Also, I can find no research in our extensive library where the extremely low >or high frequencies found in organ chambers have any documented history of >causing a sprinkler head to falsely activate. As the odds are currently >viewed by the insurance industry of false activation at 1 in 16,000,000 which >is the same as winning the Texas Lottery. :) Please feel free to drop a >line if I can provide additional information. > >I hope this information helps you in your project. > >Bob Acker >Allen, Texas > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #375 - 05/15/98 From: Gene Stroble <mightymagic@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:10:16 -0400   Please cancel my subscription. (Stop PipeChat)   Thank you, G Stroble    
(back) Subject: Ahlborn Module Question From: Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:47:03 -0500   Does anyone on the list have any experience using an Ahlborn Module with an Allen? If so, please e-mail me; I have a couple of MIDI questions. Thanks! -- Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com> Noel Memorial UMC,Shreveport, LA Team AMIGA    
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborn Module Question From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:55:22 -0400   Hi Bob,   Just a thought - given in-field problems with this & that being friendly to the Allen Smart Midi - sometimes there are difficulties and sometimes all goes well. My sincere advice is try it out with the Allen first...(assuming your question concerns purchase of one to be utilized on an Allen). More importanly is WHAT model Allen is to be the parent?   Terry - 14 yrs Allen Sales Rep West Florida.        
(back) Subject: Re: Sprinkler Systems - Late Cross Post From: RUSCZYK@ix.netcom.com Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:56:29 -0500 (CDT)   Current EPA regulation prohibits the installation of new Halon systems. The current systems that are available are "Inergen" and "FM200" for central, gas based products. Niether is cheap, but in as compared to the cost of an organ....they are real cheap....   Bob       On 05/15/98 17:29:37 you wrote: > >To Bob Acker and others that might be interested. > >Do I take it, then, that Halon Gas Systems are no longer being used? I >vaguely remember seeing something about them recently, was there some sort >of problem with their use? > >Bob Conway > >At 09:11 AM 5/15/98 EDT, you wrote: >>Brandon and Pipe Chat list: >> >>A while back, I posted the following on Piporg-L and from private >responses it >>has been helpful. I hope that you and the Pipechat Gang may find it of use >>as well. >> >>As a Fire Chief and an organ lover I have struggled with the same issues, >>i.e., how to protect without that very protection damaging the organ. After >>working at length with our fire protection engineers, I have come to the >>conclusion that any project I am acquainted with will have what is known as a >>"PreAction" Fire Sprinkler System. In this system all sprinkler heads are >>closed (i.e., non-fused) and there is no water in the piping until turned on >>by a separate alarm system. Even the separate alarm system can be >cross-zoned >>so that two detectors on two different circuits must agree that their is fire >>or smoke before the water is turned on to the piping. Note that even then, >>water doesn't flow until a sprinkler head actually fuses (at approximately >165 >>degrees at which point water damage is mute)! The sequence of these systems >>is as follows: >> >> (1) Smoke detector on alarm system zone 1 says "Hey, l I've got a fire!" >> >> (2) Smoke detector on alarm system zone 2 agrees, saying "Hey, me >> too!" >> >> (3) The fire alarm panel then opens the sprinkler system valve allowing >> the piping pre-fill with water which still does not flow anywhere >>but >> in the pipes. >> >> (4) The Fire Department arrives and handles the situation, OR >> >> (5) A single sprinkler head, directly over the fire, actually fuses and >> applies water to the fire. >> >>The beauty of this system is that if you knock off a sprinkler head, no water >>flows unless the piping has already been charged by the alarm system. On the >>other head, if a detector malfunctions, an alarm is sent, but no water flows >>because the sprinkler has not fused. These systems are used all the time ... >>libraries, the National Archives, etc.! >> >>As to sprinkler piping/head placement, there are a variety of different heads >>available, but I would probably want to go with recessed overhead standard >>sprinklers. They work quicker when really needed, aren't in the way, and >>don't take up any of that valuable wall "offset" space! >> >>Also, I can find no research in our extensive library where the extremely low >>or high frequencies found in organ chambers have any documented history of >>causing a sprinkler head to falsely activate. As the odds are currently >>viewed by the insurance industry of false activation at 1 in 16,000,000 which >>is the same as winning the Texas Lottery. :) Please feel free to drop a >>line if I can provide additional information. >> >>I hope this information helps you in your project. >> >>Bob Acker >>Allen, Texas >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Sprinkler Systems - Halon From: PipeLuvr <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:17:09 EDT   Bob and Listers:   Halon is no longer approved for new installations due to environmental concerns (i.e. Halon is a cousin of the infamous freon). There are several new agents which are in compliance with the Montreal Convention including Inergen, FM200, etc., but the problem with all of these agents is that they must reach and hold a pre-calculated percentage in the fire area. This means the protected area must be totally enclosed, have self-closing doors, etc., be vapor tight, and have a warning system to alert occupants of discharge. These conditions are extremely difficult to meet in organ chambers due to shades, poke-throughs, etc.   Feel free to drop me a private post if you require additional information.   Bob Acker Allen, TX  
(back) Subject: Re: Mozart K. 594 From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:21:46 -0400   bruce cornely wrote: > > One very interesting way to get help on registration is to learn the > notes; then invite ten or fifteen friends over to the church, drop by > the deli and get some cold cuts and salad and spread a nice buffet. > Then listen and chew, chew and listen, and get different registration > ideas from your friends. You'll find alot of good sponteneous > information is close at hand.   The cold cuts are a real crowd pleaser, almost as good as pizza..., but that's a different venue - registration for the Mozart would be, ...well..interesting! But, I digress. Some might say (unjustly) that the baloney should remain in the pulpit area, NOT in the loft. Organic veggies might be appropriate for the salad... lettuce pray...   Stan      
(back) Subject: Andante in G-Pilgrim's Song of Hope From: JKVDP <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:36:40 EDT   Year ago I had an old recording of Paul Michelson playing this piece. The other day I came upon it in some old organ music I was going through. The composer is Edouard Batiste, Edited by F.E.T. and from volume called The Organ Player edited by Preston Ware Orem, copyright 1904 by Theodore Presser. Full of Glissandos and waterfalls, it seems the time is right for this piece to come back to life. I believe Batiste was British. Can anyone fill in any program info on the piece or composer history? I think I may have also seen the piece listed as "Vox Celeste" a long time ago. Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: My Bitter, "Piano First" Disaster Story From: TonyIn219 <TonyIn219@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:46:47 EDT   (This IS On-Topic. It's the story of what happens when you separate a boy from his organ. I can't BELIEVE the pro-piano, anti-organ factions on this list. You'd think I subscribed to pianochat @ pianochat.org.)   WARNING TO PARENTS WITH CHILDREN: Read this tragic story and reflect on how you might abusing your children by making them take piano, when what they tell you is that they want to play the organ. They know the difference even if you don't.   Piano before organ is like recorder before flute, autoharp before guitar or kazoo before Casio. It's apples and oranges. And don't give me this bunk about technique: If God gave you the gift of music, it'll come out even if you play a juice-harp or a washboard on a laundry tub.   If you bought the trophy piano, learn to play it. Don't make your kid pay for your stupidity. Or better yet, get a PianoDisc conversion.   MY STORY:   I never liked piano. It was boring and only made one sound. I only wanted to do one thing in life. I wanted to play the giant Barton organ at Chicago Stadium, and have Al Melgard as my teacher. The only reason I went to Blackhawks games or the Shriner's Circus was to hear the organ. And I was only 5 when I first iterated this evil wish to my parents.   Pianos, on the other hand, were in three places:   - Recital halls, where nervous children blanked out trying to please their parents; - Ravinia Park (summer home of the Chicago Symphony), where people would put down a lawn blanket and get drunk on champagne and Brie listening to someone they couldn't even see; and - Symphony halls, where people napped in tuxes and evening gowns.   From my earliest memories, I equated theatre organ with circuses, sports, carousels, movies, and childlike abandon. And the piano? Slow Death. I wanted to give people joy with my music, not kill them.   Enter Mom and Dad: They found their dream home in a condemned, 7,000 square- foot Victorian off Sheridan Road in Glencoe, IL, on Chicago's tony North Shore. They managed to buy it before the CEO of GATX and the widow of a lacy underwear manufacturer (the neighbors) pooled the money to buy it and raze it.   They restored it to perfection and furnished it with crystal chandeliers out of the Edgewater Beach Hotel and a dining room set out of the Potter Palmer Mansion. Wallpaper (where necessary) was all Jack Denst while the bathrooms were Kohler. Fabrics? All Boris Kroll. Stained glass transoms and walnut wainscotting competed with cantilevered leaded-glass doors and an eight-sided breakfast room.   The crowning jewel was a Knabe Reproducing Grand, strategically placed between the climate-controlled self-sprinkling greenhouse and the Saarinen/Eames living room ensemble.   But where would my organ go? Nowhere.   Their take on theatre organs was that they were gauche, vaudevillian, bourgeois, middle-class, glorified accordions that were best suited for blue- collar Italian homeowners in suburban tract houses with plastic-covered furniture. Therefore, my wish to play one was met with humiliation and scorn.   It was decided that I would play piano -- for the stated purpose of developing discipline for future academic studies, AS AN ACCOUNTANT. Having someone to play their precious Knabe was an incidental perk.   The TEACHER chosen for this cruel endeavor was a Hungarian escapee who studied under Bartok; her mother under Liszt. She had a reputation all up and down the North Shore as the STRICTEST teacher around. I was doomed.   I spent years in a cramped studio with a giant Steinway concert grand, twice a week, at 7 a.m., hearing this peasant tell me I had no talent, no technique and would never amount to more than an amateur -- not because of how I played, but SIMPLY BECAUSE I WAS BORN AMERICAN!!!   I had trouble playing around her because I would shake -- I was so nervous. In my mind, she had red eyes and fangs. And she'd yell and scream. It was a sadomasochistic pattern that I wanted nothing to do with (at least not at the age of five, heh heh).   At age 10 or so, after playing Chopin's Polonaise in A-Flat Major in a school concert -- BLINDFOLDED -- with a tux, tails and a candelabra on the piano (I was such a rebel), I got a standing ovation -- and realized I was pretty darn good after all.   I decided I'd had enough of this East-European relic and deliberately played Maple Leaf Rag in her studio, on her Steinway, while she refilled her coffee, (she felt that American music was inspired by Satan).   She slammed the lid.   I spit on her.   She slapped my face.   I threw coffee in hers.   That was that. End of piano lessons.   I still don't like piano, although I have to admit I can play it quite well.   If I had it to do all over again, I would have cranked opened the 4 leaded- glass, six-foot-tall walnut casement windows behind the piano, opened the lid, plugged it in (it was a reproducer, remember?) and gone outside and strategically positioned the sprinkler in such a way as to soak the piano, not the roses.   Now I have a theatre organ in my house, (albeit a Lowrey) and I take lessons from a theatre organist, and since I'm doing what I WANT to do, I've made more progress in a year than I made in 3 years at the piano. And I'm 36, commute out-of-state and work full time!   MY ADVICE TO KIDS:   Play the organ if that's what you want. If your parents try to railroad you into the piano (using a lame excuse about technique that some starving piano teacher has poisoned their brain with) and you don't want to play, don't do what I did and cave into their skewed logic. Don't tolerate the intolerable. Just get a garden hose and do what you have to do.   Is there an upshot? Maybe not. I got disowned for being true to myself. But my worst day with my Lowrey was better than my best day with piano, and life is better than it would have been had I stuck with the family mantra -- at least as long as I don't measure it in dollar terms <grin>.   Have a great weekend!   John Carrington Chesterton, Indiana Lowrey Savant  
(back) Subject: Pipe Organ Digital Controls From: Paul Swank <prswank@concentric.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:55:46 -0400   Has anyone has any experiences in adding a digital control system to a church pipe organ? How about experiences combining an electronic (Allen, for example) with a pipe organ to replace the aging and pieced-together electro-pneumatics system controls on the pipe organ?   My church is now in the process of making long-range plans for our 1926? Skinner organ (#500), and others' experiences would be appreciated.   If you think the information would be of interest to others on the list, then post it there; otherwise, just e-mail it to me.   BTW, I was naturally interested in Kurt's information about his Aeolian-Skinner organ in York, and also John's Aeolian-Skinner in St. Louis.   I am really enjoying the good information that has been placed on the list, but, please, not so much back-biting.   I am very new to the list, so take it easy on me, b'hoys.   Thanks in advance for your responses.   Paul R. Swank Organist/Choirmaster Christ Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod Baltimore, Maryland    
(back) Subject: Re: My Bitter, "Piano First" Disaster Story From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:00:50 EDT   John (Carrington)-- your sensitive and sensible treatment of the piano/organ lesson "question" made my day. It was equal to a hundred usual posts!   Thanks for sharing. I know some of us learned from you today.   Peace, Bill ("grew up on a Lowrey AFTER *many* piano lessons") Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Digital Controls From: Picander <Picander@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:04:58 EDT   In a message dated 98-05-15 19:54:15 EDT, you write:   > > I am really enjoying the good information that has been placed on the list, > but, please, not so much back-biting. >   I will say this really nicely: before you buy an Allen or any other digital, don't just listen to the flutes and the individual stops one by one. Yes, they sound marvelous. But be sure to listen to the whole ensemble. That is where digitals don't begin to measure up to pipe sound.   Brent Peterson Organist & Director of Music First Congregational Church Tempe, Arizona  
(back) Subject: Re: Entreat me not to leave thee From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:41:34 -0500   Dear Dr. Moyer and others:   > And, of course, it's a love song of one woman for another. (The > first lesbian song?)   What an interesting idea!   However, I think more people would make the sensible decision not to get married if they had to also make vows to the mother-in-law! Can't you see it now - right in between the ring and the unity candle, with organ accompaniment the bride and groom exchange vows in song with their future in-laws!   Yours with chills running up and down my spine,   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Seinfeld comes to PipeChat: The Posting about Nothing At All (was Re: Mozart K. 594 (x-post)) From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:40:26 -0400   Good frickin' grief, not one single responsible posting about the question asked, just lots of diarrhea of the fingers-on-the-keyboard.   Yada-yada-yada.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Entreat me not to leave thee From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:56:04 -0400   But Glenda, Think of the legal ramifications at divorce time when you not only have to divorce the husband and wife, but also the in-laws. And the property settlements would be soooooo much fun, and splitting the children six ways!!!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Seinfeld comes to PipeChat: The Posting about Nothing At All (was Re: Mozart K. 594 (x-post)) From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:57:47 -0400   Not to be critical, but yadda is spelt with two d's!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: TWO IN ONE WEEK! From: "Ian B. McLean" <solotibia@enternet.com.au> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:30:19 +1000   That we could lose two of the world's top musical phraseologists in one week, is incredible. Albeit one being an instrumentalist, and the other, "The Voice".   It was pleasing, that here in Australia, our ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission) threw out its normal programming last night to spend two hours on an excellent Frank Sinatra retrospective. No chance of anything similar occurring for the other great phraser, George Wright, in the mass media.   Is A.T.O.S. (or any other organisation) going to cause any special celebration, or retrospective, of G.W. to occur, or to be created? Not on the mass media of course, but something somewhere would seem to be a great project that would cause focus on excellence in every aspect of the TPO art form.   Ian McLean  
(back) Subject: Re: TWO IN ONE WEEK! From: David McPeak <dm726@delphi.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 23:05:14 -0600     On 1998-05-16 pipechat@pipechat.org said: >That we could lose two of the world's top musical phraseologists in >one week, is incredible. Albeit one being an instrumentalist, and >the other, "The Voice". >It was pleasing, that here in Australia, our ABC (Australian >Broadcasting Commission) threw out its normal programming last >night to spend two hours on an excellent Frank Sinatra >retrospective. No chance of anything similar occurring for the >other great phraser, George Wright, in the mass media. >Is A.T.O.S. (or any other organisation) going to cause any special >celebration, or retrospective, of G.W. to occur, or to be created? >Not on the mass media of course, but something somewhere would seem >to be a great project that would cause focus on excellence in every >aspect of the TPO art form. >Ian McLean >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related >topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org     Maybe Michael Barone of PipeDreams will do a SPECIAL on GW sometime soon. Dave McPeak   Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Test Drive  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Music Selections From: "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:22:50 -0400   >why don't we share our favorite wedding pieces?   Ernest Bloch's Four Wedding Marches for Organ. Numbers 1 - 3 can be used as preludes, processionals and recessionals. No. 4, subtitled Oriental Chromatic, goes by very quickly. It is more a dance than a march. G. Schirmer Ed. 2134.   Kurt Kehler          
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborn Module Question From: "John (Jack) Cormack" <jackjack@erols.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:33:04 -0400   At 05:47 PM 5/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone on the list have any experience using an > Ahlborn Module with an Allen? If so, please e-mail me; > I have a couple of MIDI questions. > > > Thanks! >-- >Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com> >Noel Memorial UMC,Shreveport, LA >Team AMIGA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I evaluated and successfully used the Ahlborne Romantic Module on my Rodgers 790, along with the Allen MDS Expander II. I could call up stops from both the Ahlborne and Allen MDS at the same time on the swell, great, and pedal. To be more explicit, on the swell MIDI A piston one stop from the Allen and on the swell MIDI B piston whatever combination of stops that I assigned to the combination that I preset on the Ahlborne. Similarly stops on the great could be assigned in a similar way to the two MIDI pistons, and similarly to the pedal.   I didn't buy the Ahlborne, since the local salesman and I never were able to arrive at a mutually agreeable price!   Sincerely,   Jack Cormack Potomac, Maryland     > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Seinfeld comes to PipeChat: The Posting about Nothing At All (was Re: Mozart K. 594 (x-post)) From: "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:40:26 -0400   >Not to be critical, but yadda is spelt with two d's!   I diddn't know that.   Kurt Kehler          
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Digital Controls From: ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:45:18 EDT   one of my test on an electronic organ is to draw principals 8, 4, and 2 and play a 4 voice fugue, listening for the inner voices If I can hear the inner voices, I'm usually impressed and surprised. Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: Re: Seinfeld comes to PipeChat: The Posting about Nothing At All(was Re: Mozar From: ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:51:37 EDT   does everyone know that the term translated in the KJV of the Bible into "...and he KNEW his wife, and she conceived..." in the Hebrew is "yadda." True So, "yadda, yadda, yadda" takes on a whole new meaning. LOL Danny Ray