PipeChat Digest #377 - Sunday, May 17, 1998
 
Pipe Organ digital Controls
  by "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com>
Re: Ahlborn Module Question
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net>
Re: Piano-first disaster
  by "Trackerbkr" <Trackerbkr@aol.com>
Re: Wedding Music-Promenade
  by "Trackerbkr" <Trackerbkr@aol.com>
Re: Wedding Music-Promenade
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Mozart K. 594
  by <sohmer@juno.com>
Los Angeles Organ Dedication - X-posted
  by "WmChasBeck" <WmChasBeck@aol.com>
Re: Wedding Music-Promenade
  by "ComposerTX" <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: Wedding Music-Promenade
  by "ComposerTX" <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Fw: AMA organs
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: Ahlborn Module Question
  by "RSiegel920" <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Re: Sprinkler Systems
  by "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net>
RE: Pipe Organ Digital Controls
  by "SM Fitzgerald" <orgel@shianet.org>
Shameless Self-Promotion :-(
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Re: Shameless Self-Promotion :-(
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net>
Re: Shameless Self-Promotion :-(
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Pipe Organ Digital Controls
  by "SCoonrod" <SCoonrod@aol.com>
June Music Series
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Registration
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Entreat me not to leave thee
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Wedding Music Selections
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Ahlborn Module Question
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Wedding Music Selections
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
 


(back) Subject: Pipe Organ digital Controls From: "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 98 07:23:47 -0600   Greetings:   Paul Swank asked about the posibility of replacing relays, actions on E.M. Skinner #500 - 1926.   The Skinner actions have lasted for over 70 years. RELEATHER....DON'T CHANGE A THING>   These Skinner actions are fast, heavy duty, and with proper releathering will last another 70 years with minor upkeep.   I realize that the double primaries can be a bother to remove, replace leather and lead tubing, etc. But when they are completed you will have a beautiful SKinner!   DON't CHANGE A THING!   Tom Gregory  
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborn Module Question From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:44:47 -0400   Good morning Jack,   "">I didn't buy the Ahlborne, since the local salesman and I never were able >to arrive at a mutually agreeable price!"" This brings mack memories of when we posted MUCH earlier!   Hope you're pleased with the Allen. We now have the AE-50, Orchestral Expander and the Expander II...   Terry   p.s. John, how is your wife getting along? We haven't posted in so long, I thought to inquire...    
(back) Subject: Re: Piano-first disaster From: Trackerbkr <Trackerbkr@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:35:47 EDT   Thanks for your story, John. You touched on a point that I think about often as a piano and organ teacher: "If God gave you the gift of music, it'll come out even if you play..." The variety of abilities in technical coordination and musicality in my students amazes me, week in and week out. One student has astonishing technique and quick mastery; any instrument she ever picks up will give her short work. Her only problem is that her brain takes her directly to point Z in learning literature; it is beyond her to eliminate mistakes or to stop to figure out why they occurred in the first place. Another organ student is as methodical and meticulous as they come; so meticulous that it remains to be seen if she'll ever get past quarter note=40. People learn to play the organ in spite of or because of their previous preparation. Any kind of background-voice, oboe, brass, piano, string, when taught well, can facilitate organ study. Laurie Ryan  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Music-Promenade From: Trackerbkr <Trackerbkr@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:35:46 EDT   I have used the Moussorgsky's Promenade as a bridal procession, too, with good results. I like to begin on one manual with a strong reed and alternate with a plenum on another manual, beginning with the second phrase. Just do not tell the bride that the Promenade's meter begins in 5/4 and then changes every so often! Laurie Ryan  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Music-Promenade From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:51:05 -0400   Why not tell the bride the march is in 5/4. At least that would make the lock-step more interesting. I guess for the groom you could use "Fanfare for the Common Man". I have a wedding next week which will include bridal escorts in the form of US Marines! This is the first person ever to hear the Trompette en Chamade and say to me, "nice.... can you make it louder!!" Does anyone know of any processional music by Vivaldi (dad's favorite!)? Likewise for dignified military marches, without getting into "Stars and Stripes" or "Halls of Montezuma". Today's bride was upset last night at the news that Frank Sinatra had passed on. She said she is going to wear her veil at "half mast" and the men are going to hum "New York, New York" during the unity candle! The priest muttered something in Italian and chuckled.....   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Mozart K. 594 From: sohmer@juno.com Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:35:53 -0400     On Fri, 15 May 1998 14:52:43 -0400 cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) writes: >One very interesting way to get help on registration is to learn the >notes; then invite ten or fifteen friends over to the church, drop by >the deli and get some cold cuts and salad and spread a nice buffet. >Then listen and chew, chew and listen, and get different registration >ideas from your friends. You'll find alot of good sponteneous >information is close at hand. > >bruce o h s __________ a g o >cornely o o __________ o o > ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........   Of all the recitals I've given in my career, probably one of the most favorite was in a wonderful rc church with a 3/40 Casavant done to myn lyking.....   I invited the choir and their families and friends to the church for a very late night champagne and finger foods time - 11:00pm. The people were free to move about in the main nave and the lofts and experience the organ from all points. Applause wasn't necessary, and people felt free to remark on what they heard - it was delightful, entertaining, educational and just plain fun. Oooops, not supposed to use the f word on the list....   Next time, I might try it with balogna and cheese sandwhiches and pepsis!     steveohmer     > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Los Angeles Organ Dedication - X-posted From: WmChasBeck <WmChasBeck@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:44:36 EDT   A new 3 manual 45-rank pipe organ built by Rosales Organ Builders (Opus 23) will be dedicated on Pentecost Sunday afternoon, May 31st at 4 p.m. The organ is in St. Cyril of Jerusalem Church in Encino, California. The church is located at 15520 Ventura Boulevard (approximately 3 blocks west of Sepulveda Blvd.) in Encino in the San Fernando Valley. Two new anthems have been commissioned for the occasion. Leo Nestor has written a spectacular piece for choir and organ, and Mark Chatfield has written an unaccompanied motet. William Beck, Director of Music at the church, will play a recital with commentary by the organ builder. All are most cordially invited.  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Music-Promenade From: ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:37:35 EDT   Thanks Laurie I always tell the wedding party to walk at a slow, dignified, comfortable pace, and don't do like a bad gradutation exercise: note [STEP] note [STEP] note [STEP] yadda, yadda, yadda Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Music-Promenade From: ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:39:42 EDT   In a message dated 98-05-16 09:52:28 EDT, you write:   << I guess for the groom you could use "Fanfare for the Common Man". >>   You know what my Grandma McKinney used to say: "Men -- you can't live WITH 'em, and you can't live WITH 'em."   LOL   Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: Fw: AMA organs From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:08:44 -0400       ---------- > Subject: Fw: AMA organs > Date: Saturday, May 16, 1998 12:05 PM > > Greetings listers, > > These two instruments are located in an old chapel in the Saranac Lake area > of the Adirondacks and the new owners of the chapel, (AMA), want to sell > them. If you are interested or, want more information, contact: > > David Evers, vice-president > Edgewater Services Company, Ltd. > 323 East Willow wtreet > Syracuse, New York 13203 > (315) 471-4420 > Fax: (315) 471-6659 > e-mail: devers@edgewaternet.com > > Regards, > > Bonnie Beth Derby > orge@dreamscape.com > > ---------- > > > > > Now there's two!!! > > > > Large pipe organ manufactured by M.P. Moller; Hagerstown MD > > Model: OPUS 4142-1925 > > Presumed age: 73 yrs. > > Manuals: 2 > > Stops: 22 > > Pipes: 3 banks, well over 100 plus 40 pipes in a wooden chase area > > > > Second instrument: smaller pedal pump organ manufactured by Mason & > Hamlin > > Style: 431 #204267 > > Manuals: 1 > > Stops: 13 > > Pipes: none    
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborn Module Question From: RSiegel920 <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:07:26 EDT   suggest you contact Jerry Cluff at jerry@cluff.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Sprinkler Systems From: "B. Morgan Martin" <morganm@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:02:46 -0800   Whereas I am not in favor of charged sprinklers in chambers, I want to tell you about how a sprinkler system saved an organ.   Four and a half years ago when Universal Studios here in LA was rocked with an earthquake (along with most of SoCal!), the Robert Morton organ on their scoring stage was badly shaken. The diaphone was set up along the right hand side of the Solo chamber. The quake was sufficient to tear it loose from the wall (not that much of a challenge as it was held there with on ly two screws)....The offset started to fall and if it had continued it would have taken out the Sax, Diapason, and Tuba offsets, as well as a good part of the manual chests. But fortunately one of the pipes hit a sprinkler pipe and that was enough to hold the rest of the offset up, saving the Solo chamber!   So in this one case, at least, the sprinklers saved the day!   And the earthquake brought the Robert Morton to my home. . . Universal decided that it was finally time to 'get rid of it' so it now resides in my unsprinklered home . . . a bit more securely supported, I think, than it was when Robert Morton installed it the first time in 1930!   One more story for you. . . The Elks Lodge near MacArthur Park here in LA was converted to a hotel several years ago, necessitating the installation of a sprinkler system. As you may know the Lodge had a rather large Robert Morton. When it came time to install the sprinklers in the chambers, the owner of the place apparently had no concern and allowed the installers to literally walk across the manual chest smashing the pipes to bits. . . . . sigh. Moral: don't leave sprinkler installers alone in the chambers! :)   Good luck, Morgan    
(back) Subject: RE: Pipe Organ Digital Controls From: "SM Fitzgerald" <orgel@shianet.org> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:23:40 -0400   I played the Zimmer organ at Mepkin Abbey in Monck's Corner, SC four years ago. It was designed as a pipe/electronic rank combination in the French style. Their abbot is Francis Kline, a trappist monk who was a concert organist and graduate of the Juliard School prior to entering monastic life.   The instrument was amazing. It had depth and a very unified sound. I would think that Zimmer could do a re-fit on the instrument where you are. There are, of course, others doing the same type of work. Zimmer, btw, is out of Charlotte, NC.   Hope it works out for you!   Scott Fitzgerald Director of Music Ministry/Organist St. Paul Catholic Church Owosso, Michigan, USA www.shianet.org/~orgel   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Paul Swank Sent: Friday, May 15, 1998 7:56 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Pipe Organ Digital Controls     Has anyone has any experiences in adding a digital control system to a church pipe organ? How about experiences combining an electronic (Allen, for example) with a pipe organ to replace the aging and pieced-together electro-pneumatics system controls on the pipe organ?   My church is now in the process of making long-range plans for our 1926? Skinner organ (#500), and others' experiences would be appreciated.   If you think the information would be of interest to others on the list, then post it there; otherwise, just e-mail it to me.   BTW, I was naturally interested in Kurt's information about his Aeolian-Skinner organ in York, and also John's Aeolian-Skinner in St. Louis.   I am really enjoying the good information that has been placed on the list, but, please, not so much back-biting.   I am very new to the list, so take it easy on me, b'hoys.   Thanks in advance for your responses.   Paul R. Swank Organist/Choirmaster Christ Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod Baltimore, Maryland     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Shameless Self-Promotion :-( From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:12:10 -0400 (EDT)     Anyone with nothing better to do on Sunday afternoon--baseball game, visiting your mother-in-law, pondering the eternal verities--is welcome at a recital by yours truly at St. John Lutheran, Boyertown (SE of Reading) PA at 3 p.m. (45 North Reading Avenue, 1st block east of the "square" where PA Rts 73 & 562 cross.)   You would hear a dried-up old prune playing a moderate-sized three-manual Schantz, 1971, in a rather dry acoustic. Gratefully, the nave is air-conditioned. To make it a bit more juicy, bring ca. 2 - 4 rotten tomatoes. :-)   _Piece-de-resistance_: the Cesar Franck _Grand Piece Symphonique_ with a serious attempt to make it sound like it's in a space and acoustic that does not exist there. Also: three contrasting procedures of chorale preludes by Bach on hymns the people know, plus other things. Given that the parish and town are a mixture of agricultural, blue-collar manufacturing and white collar professional citizens, the program seeks to provide something for each person without losing integrity. I'd be interested in anyone's evaluation after it's over as to whether it succeded at this goal. Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: Shameless Self-Promotion :-( From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:15:22 -0400   Organist Karl Moyer profers the invitation: ""You would hear a dried-up old prune playing a moderate-sized three-manual Schantz, 1971, in a rather dry acoustic.""   Well, most of us around her would crank the buggy, gather some friends, grab some KFC and head for the northland...EXCEPT we never cared for organs built in '71.   TC - wishing Saint Johns a great attendance !    
(back) Subject: Re: Shameless Self-Promotion :-( From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:40:07 -0500 (CDT)   At 03:12 PM 5/16/98 -0400, Karl Moyer wrote: > > Anyone with nothing better to do on Sunday afternoon--baseball >game, visiting your mother-in-law, pondering the eternal verities--is >welcome at a recital by yours truly at St. John Lutheran, Boyertown (SE of >Reading) PA at 3 p.m. (45 North Reading Avenue, 1st block east of the >"square" where PA Rts 73 & 562 cross.)   Unfortunately it's 950 miles drive from here, so I'm afraid I won't be able to make it after morning church. And the good news is that my mother-in-law lives 1250 miles away, so I can't visit her either. Being English I don't play baseball. I guess I'll just have to ponder those eternal verities.   "Dried up old prune?" Is that what those letters F.A.G.O. after your name are all about? -- "Formerly A Good Organist"? :-) Seriously, though, I've heard Dr. Moyer's playing on a number of occasions, and so would heartily recommend it to anyone who is near enough to go. For those who can't, his CD "As the Dew from Heaven Distilling" (Raven OAR-290) is still, I believe, available from the OHS.   Boyertown is an attractive little town worth a visit in itself. As every inveterate collector of trivia knows it is the town that in 1906 was responsible for Federal legislation mandating all doors in public buildings to open outwards.   John.      
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Digital Controls From: SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:25:19 EDT   In a message dated 98-05-16 14:24:58 EDT, orgel@shianet.org writes:   << The instrument was amazing. It had depth and a very unified sound. I would think that Zimmer could do a re-fit on the instrument where you are. There are, of course, others doing the same type of work. Zimmer, btw, is out of Charlotte, NC. >>     If the Skinner instrument is in original condition I would seriously consider a RESTORATION of the instrument as is. If you cannot do a true restoration be VERY careful about choosing a company that will do the work.   R.  
(back) Subject: June Music Series From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:19:59 -0400   Newport, Rhode Island, St. Mary's RC, Memorial Blvd. June Music Series, Wednesdays at 7pm. Wed. June 3 The Balkan Chorus of Newark Vermont (featured in Yankee magazine Jan, 1998 issue and A Prairie Home Companion) Wed. June 10 William Gower-Johnson, Organist Wed. June 17 Henri St. Louis, Organist Wed. June 24 Kevin Davis, Organist   Organ is Casavant 1958 3 manual EP in gallery, speaks well into gothic nave.  
(back) Subject: Re: Registration From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:55:41       At 11:49 05/12/98 -0500, you wrote: >On some hymns, I rather like to play the tenor and alto line in the right >hand, with the soprano line in the left on an 8' Tuba. This works real >well on "O Come, All Ye Faithful," as well as others that do not move too >quickly. > >\/\/\     For an instant obbligato, switch the alto and soprano lines. (Play the soprano an octave lower, and the alto an octave higher.) This is the voicing for barbershop quartet, but it changes the sound of the hymn without a whole lot of work.   Also, instant transposition is available too. The notes are pretty much the same in E as in Eb.... so modulate up half a step, still reading the same notes.   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Entreat me not to leave thee From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:10:27   At 15:27 05/14/98 -0400, you wrote:   > It is a poor wedding solo, biblical background notwithstanding. > > Karl     OK, Karl, out with it. :) What do *you* suggest?   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Music Selections From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:30:50   At 10:43 05/15/98 -0400, you wrote: > And although >I realize that most organists are growing tired of them, I still enjoy playing >the Clark/Purcell/(whoever) "Trumpet Voluntary" and Purcell's "Trumpet Tune and >Air".   Count me among the ones getting tired of these.   Interesting story. Just got the Mouret (sp?) "Rondeau" (Masterpiece Theatre music), and was practicing it prior to a wedding consultation today. Now, this wedding, with only 25 guests, was to be a chancel wedding, so I was also going to find some quiet music to play.   Well, the bride walked in while I was playing the "Rondeau", and she *loved* it! So she's now coming down the aisle to it, and her guests are going to be seated in the nave (Yay!). She also got all teary with the Mendelssohn for the recessional too, tho.... oh well. It's her wedding! (Her third actually..........) :)   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborn Module Question From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:47:16   At 08:44 05/16/98 -0400, you wrote:   >Hope you're pleased with the Allen. We now have the AE-50, Orchestral >Expander >and the Expander II... > >Terry     Terry, how did you arrive at those? Did you "test-drive" others first?   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Music Selections From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:23:12 -0400   You're lucky Shirley. I played for a wedding a number of years ago where the bride was getting married for the second time and wanted ``Love is wonderful the second time around''!   Bonnie Beth Derby orge@dreamscape.com     ---------- > From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: Wedding Music Selections > Date: Saturday, May 16, 1998 6:30 PM > > At 10:43 05/15/98 -0400, you wrote: > > And although > >I realize that most organists are growing tired of them, I still enjoy > playing > >the Clark/Purcell/(whoever) "Trumpet Voluntary" and Purcell's "Trumpet > Tune and > >Air". > > Count me among the ones getting tired of these. > > Interesting story. Just got the Mouret (sp?) "Rondeau" (Masterpiece > Theatre music), and was practicing it prior to a wedding consultation > today. Now, this wedding, with only 25 guests, was to be a chancel > wedding, so I was also going to find some quiet music to play. > > Well, the bride walked in while I was playing the "Rondeau", and she > *loved* it! So she's now coming down the aisle to it, and her guests are > going to be seated in the nave (Yay!). She also got all teary with the > Mendelssohn for the recessional too, tho.... oh well. It's her wedding! > (Her third actually..........) :) > > --Shirley > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org