PipeChat Digest #379 - Tuesday, May 19, 1998
 
Internet Relay Chat tonight at 9.00 pm EDT
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Dreams of Pipe
  by "Michael Keeley" <keeley1@uiuc.edu>
Re: Dreams of Pipe
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Piano/Organ Poll Results
  by "Vernon Moeller" <vernonm@ccsi.com>
WINGS was great! PLUS: Lowrey PIC Now Available
  by "TonyIn219" <TonyIn219@aol.com>
Send Lowrey PIC
  by "ComposerTX" <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Stijnkens Pipe makers -you guys aren't very nice!
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: On Junking my Lowrey for a George Wright
  by "Orlando Fiol" <fiol@bway.net>
Internet Relay Chat tonight at 9.00 pm EDT
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Stijnkens Pipe makers -you guys aren't very nice!
  by "Bill 6827" <Bill6827@aol.com>
"WINGS" ANOTHER AWARD WORTHY PERFORMANCE-Theatre Organ (Cross Posted)
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net>
RE: Piano/Organ Poll Result
  by "Vox Celeste" <voxceleste@mailexcite.com>
Re: Stijnkens Pipe makers -you guys aren't very nice!
  by "Prestant16" <Prestant16@aol.com>
SECOND THEATRE ORGAN FOR CANBERRA?
  by "Ian B. McLean" <solotibia@enternet.com.au>
Re: Dreams of Pipe
  by "jcmoore" <moorehse@midwest.net>
Re: Entreat me not to leave thee
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Middletown, NY: Members' Recital + Church's 150th Anniversary
  by "Patricia R. Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: Piano/Organ Poll Result
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
 


(back) Subject: Internet Relay Chat tonight at 9.00 pm EDT From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:32:42 -0400   In spite of it being Victoria Day here in Canada, I remind all PipeChatters once again!   Happy Victoria Day to all my Canadian friends.   Just to remind all our Pipechat-l members that we are on live this evening.   Come and join in the "chat" with the regulars and put in your "tuppence-worth".   Have a look in our Web page, http://www.pipechat.org if you are not too sure of what you do to join us. It is all explained how it works.   See you there, - any time after 9.00 EDT.                   Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> http://www.greenford.demon.co.uk/bob/   Classics Director CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz Radio Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 CANADA        
(back) Subject: Re: Dreams of Pipe From: Michael Keeley <keeley1@uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:45:40 -0500   apologies to all, for what should have been private e-mail...    
(back) Subject: Re: Dreams of Pipe From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:25:25 -0400   Ironically, the apologies for accidental private e-mail sendings usually arrive before the "accident" itself. It's so exciting to sit here in anticipation of some poor bloke bareing his soul to the universe -- most times it isn't that exciting, but the anticipation is fun. Thanks Michael!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Piano/Organ Poll Results From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:35:37 -0500   And the winnah...!!!   But first, a few words of wisdom from both sides of the fence -   (If you don't care about this part, just go to the bottom of this letter.)   A pro-organ-ist writes: "...what works for one organist may not necessarily work for another, and we know this well - especially those of us who have taught students over the years." After reading over the comments which usually accompanied your votes, I think this is one of the pithier (is there such a word?) statements. Those of us who are parents of children who are old enough to study music will agree, I think, that they want what's best for their children, especially regarding musical studies. However, so much of one's success or failure at an instrument (as well as other issues in life) is largely determined by the student's inner values and strengths, that it seems hardly fair to decree that *all* beginners must study piano first and organ second, or vice-versa. As parents and teachers, we want the new students to be successful, but at what cost? How many of us, when we were kids, had friends who absolutely *hated* music lessons? And how many of those same friends *now* wish that they had continued their studies? I hear it at least once a month at church, usually after I have played a nice solo at an offertory: "Gee, I shoulda stuck with the tuba..."   The age of the student, a very important point, also entered the picture. One piano-first voter wrote: "Piano first before organ, for a kid, mostly because a kid can't reach the pedals yet but CAN learn keyboard technique." In my opinion, if the student is old enough to comfortably play the pedals, then they are probably old enough to decide for themselves which instrument they want to play. If mom and dad hold them back from the organ, with the understanding that they are to play piano and develop their music-reading and finger technique first for a year or two, and then see if they want to switch over, I see no harm in it.   Practicality (the greater availability of pianos over organs) was also mentioned: Another voter wrote: "...there are more pianos around than organs so your [sic] not inhibited if the piano is the only instrument available." I think we will all agree that there are far more pianos than organs in homes, auditoriums, rehearsal halls, etc, and while a young pianist might feel uncomfortable were he asked to play an organ, I doubt that a young organist would feel any discomfort about playing a piano - there's just less work involved! I also think it's important to tell young pianists and organists that it is not at all uncommon for pianists to be expected to know how to get around on the organ, and vice-versa, especially if they get involved with church music.   "I can't picture taking the organ without first having a few finger muscles and coordination that were developed on piano." So wrote another piano-first voter. And here we come back to the basic issue. The way I read the comments, I'd say that the concensus was that for the older students who end up on the organ anyway, their only regret was that they did not start organ studies earlier. (But whether they mean as a child or as an adult is unclear.) However, recommendations for younger musicians (grade-school kids) just starting out ran heavily for piano study first.   BTW, I didn't vote. I would have, had there been a tie, but I know you know how I feel. Still, it might interest you to know my piano/organ history. I had to wait until high school to study organ for a while. After beginning piano at age 9, I was taking piano lessons at Jefferson UMC in San Antonio, from their organist, so we decided that I could take additional lessons on the organ there. I attended Jefferson HS just across the street and a couple of times each week, I'd run over to the church after school to practice. I remember getting yelled at by the pastor, whose office was next door to the sanctuary, and I remember that I had to practice on soft flutes all the time (Gee, I really liked those few notes on the Scharf IV that I played at the end of every practice period!) But not everybody is so fortunate. The greater availability of pianos is one very strong reason, I believe, that it is more popular among young music students (and their parents, who pay for the lessons) than the organ.   So, the voting went like this: there were 5 votes for organ first, but 12 for piano first. And, yes, there was a tie as of last Friday, but I got 7 votes this morning, all for the piano, which I found to be a bit of a surprise. I had thought that my last message to get out the vote would have had the organ-firsters climbing over each other to make their opinions known. BTW, Vox Celeste didn't vote as "Vox Celeste" - (s)he might be one of the other voters, though.   As for myself, I'm just glad I can play both instruments. Those of us who can are a very fortunate bunch of folks.   Enjoyed it. Hope you did too. And I think we all learned something from each other.   \/\/\        
(back) Subject: WINGS was great! PLUS: Lowrey PIC Now Available From: TonyIn219 <TonyIn219@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:53:53 EDT   I don't know which of you went to see Wings at the Pickwick in Park Ridge, Illinois, yesterday, but it was great!   Jay Warren performed a fabulous accompaniment and the movie (which I had never seen) gave me a few sniffles.   Clara Bow really only played a bit part in the movie -- enough to get her name for the box office draw. The story was REALLY about two flying aces, David and Jack. It was really something.   The movie was especially significant for me because I spent 18 months working on a reprint of FIGHTING THE FLYING CIRCUS by Captain Edward V. Rickenbacker (Commanding Officer 94th Pursuit Squadron (Hat-in-the-Ring Squadron), for a book series that's been printed every year since 1903.   The Baron who led the German "Flying Circus" wasn't Kellerman (as in the movie), but the infamous Baron Manfred von Richtofen. Besides the names, however, the setting, the fighting, the small towns and the aerial dogfights were exactly as I imagined they would be. Jay Warren's accompaniment gave depth to the scenes, and I walked away with a deeper appreciation for WWI flying aces, their bravery, and their selfless courage, not to mention a sense of romance and chilvalry that RoboCop and the Terminator have never triggered in me.   I also noticed that a lack of a rating system in the Roaring 20's resulted in racy scenes that must have been obliterated by the Hayes laws.   NEWSFLASH: I now have a .jpg of my Lowrey if anyone wants to see it. E-mail me and I'll send it in reply. Write SEND LOWREY PIC in Subject Field.   John Carrington Chesterton, Indiana  
(back) Subject: Send Lowrey PIC From: ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:58:01 EDT   John, my first instrument was a Lowrey, so please . . . send Lowrey pic Danny Ray ComposerTX@AOL.com  
(back) Subject: Stijnkens Pipe makers -you guys aren't very nice! From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:23:04 -0700   Bill 6827 wrote:   >> This organ actually had Schtinken (sp) pipes from Germany in the Great >> Div., but the rest was kind of a hodgepodge from here there and everywhere. >...(snip) >>If the Makin organ company merged with the German company mentioned >above, would the new company become "Makin-Schtinken Organs"?   Then Tom by the Rhine replied:   > Dear Organ "stinkers..."!   > Makin' stinken would be a very advertising firm name, but besides > that, I think that it is the Jaques STIJNKENS Orgelpijpmakerei > from the NETEHRLANDS, which is maybe a misread for Schtinken...   > I don't now wheter I spelled that name right, maybe one of > our Dutch list fellows could correct me, if I am wrong.   Well,   Actually, it's Jacques Stinkens, Orgelpijpenmakers, B.V. in Zeist, Netherlands. As a builder, I find that they are very good people to work with, and build "top drawer" quality pipework.   Even in jest, I hate to see them disparaged in a public arena like this.   Faithfully,   Richard Schneider, President SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston Street Post Office Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpncorn@davesworld.net EMAIL (Note change in ISP's Domain-Name!)  
(back) Subject: Re: On Junking my Lowrey for a George Wright From: Orlando Fiol <fiol@bway.net> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:19:19 -0500   Dear John,   Before you use your twenty-five pedals as a kneeling rest, do contact me because I'm looking for pedals to retrofit with midi.   Thanks, Orlando    
(back) Subject: Internet Relay Chat tonight at 9.00 pm EDT From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:28:53 -0400   If you have already seen this meesage, I apologise, but it has not yet shown up in my e-mail, so I am sending it again!   In spite of it being Victoria Day here in Canada, I remind all PipeChatters once again!   Happy Victoria Day to all my Canadian friends.   Just to remind all our Pipechat-l members that we are on live this evening.   Come and join in the "chat" with the regulars and put in your "tuppence-worth".   Have a look in our Web page, http://www.pipechat.org if you are not too sure of what you do to join us. It is all explained how it works.   See you there, - any time after 9.00 EDT.                   Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> http://www.greenford.demon.co.uk/bob/   Classics Director CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz Radio Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 CANADA        
(back) Subject: Re: Stijnkens Pipe makers -you guys aren't very nice! From: Bill 6827 <Bill6827@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:36:02 EDT   Greetings,   Mr. Schneider is quite right when he says that the Stijnken Organ Pipe maker is a good company. I had no idea that I was infering that it was not. The pipes that were built for First Baptist Church in Dallas were done superbly well and should never have been removed. I believe that Deiter Geisler removed them and took them to Ontario, Canada. These apparently were taken out when the old Casavant from the Eaton hall was installed in First Bapt. Dallas. Unfortunately we suffered a loss in the exchange. Now, most of the Casavant equip is gone and has been replaced (but I don't know with what). The Horizontal trumpet was in the great Division but now it is high above the rear gallery. These pipes are Stijnken and cut through the full organ like gang busters. (Excuse me---Like a trumpet of trumpets!!!) AND, my friends, Time marches on!   Bill Hanson, DDS bill6827@aol.com     (We say, Time Goes. Alas, Time Stays, We Go.)  
(back) Subject: "WINGS" ANOTHER AWARD WORTHY PERFORMANCE-Theatre Organ (Cross Posted) From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:58:54 -0500   Over 500 film, theatre organ lovers, and friends were present for the Pickwick Theatre's 70th anniversary screening of the silent movie "WINGS". Jay Warren was at the console of the Pickwick's original 3/11 Wurlitzer pipe organ presenting an award worthy photoplay accompaniment for the film. Jay's research and preparation of the adaptation of the original "WINGS" musical score made a rich blend of musical and film drama. It was such a good fit that you often lost the realization that the musical accompaniment was not part of the original. The film is relatively long time wise and Jay maintained the intensity of the musical score from start to finish. It provides an insight to the stamina that must have been required by silent movie organists. The Wurlitzer sounded good and performed well thanks to the excellent care given by the Pickwick organ crew chief Mark Hanson. Theatre organ was alive and well in Park Ridge doing what is was designed to do and doing it well. "WINGS" at the Pickwick was special experience for those of us who were there.  
(back) Subject: RE: Piano/Organ Poll Result From: "Vox Celeste" <voxceleste@mailexcite.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:01:16 -0700   Vernon wrote:   >BTW, Vox Celeste didn't vote as "Vox Celeste" - (s)he might be one >of the other voters, though. >     nterest in my sex (which I enjoy) and whether I exist at all. People, I don't exist, I LIVE!! You might know - that gadabout Mame Dennis Burnside gets all the credit for expanding that saying, but she first heard it from me at Beekman Place.   Sincerely,   Vox Celeste     PS - And Vernon, thanks for not mentioning that bottle of hooch and the $12.00 I got for voting six times in Chicago back in my impressionable youth.   I have learned a whole lot since then: anything illegal has to be worth more than $12.00, rot-gut will rot your gut, and most politicians are crooked ----- eventually.     Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Stijnkens Pipe makers -you guys aren't very nice! From: Prestant16 <Prestant16@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:08:22 EDT   In a message dated 98-05-18 12:24:34 EDT, you write:   << Actually, it's Jacques Stinkens, Orgelpijpenmakers, B.V. in Zeist, Netherlands. As a builder, I find that they are very good people to work with, and build "top drawer" quality pipework. >>     I've heard that somtimes the apprentice pipemakers make a few pipes of a customers rank, and they are sometimes less than acceptable. In fact, I've heard of an instance where the pipes were so bad they were sent back. But I've been told that if I wanted the best pipes, get the flues from Stinkens, and the reeds from A. R. Schopp.   -W  
(back) Subject: SECOND THEATRE ORGAN FOR CANBERRA? From: "Ian B. McLean" <solotibia@enternet.com.au> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:17:02 +1000   Canberra may be Australia's national governmental capital, however it has never been a centre for Theatre Pipe Organ.   Some years back the local Theatre Organ Society restored and installed a Compton 3/10 instrument in Canberra's heritage listed, Albert Hall. This instrument has never been successful for many reasons, not the least being that the sound egress is trapped on the back of stage, an incompleted tonal complement, especially in the pedal division, and the poor wind supply. However, most importantly, it has never been tonally finished for its location. Still, that is hardly unusual in Australia.   The instrument has now been deemed so poor that artists dream up all sorts of reasons not to have to play it in concert. Also the local TOSA Division sees that it is mostly not possible to present concerts on the Compton because of the public's lack of interest in it (which is hardly surprising).   However, Canberra is one of those unique places as any specially created national capital is. It is home to many creative, learning, scientific, and historic, organisations. One of these is the National Film and Sound Archive. This organisation has performed a marvellous service to the Australian community in its preservation of our film and sound history. They have also been planning a new auditorium for many years. This auditorium is now funded and will be built.   In another unhealthy tradition of some TOSA Divisions, it has been reported to me that TOSA ACT (the Canberra Division), is to venture out into creating another instrument, for this new auditorium, before the one that they have is completed and successful.   The TOSA members who have passed this information on to me, have done so out of some concern. Concern, not only for the continuance of improvement of the Society's Compton, but also just how the Society may be able mount the installation and ongoing support of yet another TPO? They are also concerned that this venture has been undertaken without the general knowledge of the full membership, and also that scarce financial resources are possibly being expended to purchase material to create this instrument.   When I was in Perth, Western Australia, just a few weeks ago, the great point for the laughter was the price reportedly paid for an unrestored two manual WurliTzer console. Supposedly $5,800. As these can be obtained from the U.S. for between $250 - $600USD in this condition, even with our terrible exchange rate, this seemed, on the face of it, ridiculous. Especially, if, as these TOSA ACT members, believe, that the TOSA ACT funds are being expended and were expended to purchase this console. However, I would question this purchase even if the money used was the National Film and Sound Archive's money!   One member is even more concerned when the President of TOSA ACT informed him that TOSA ACT had purchased non WurliTzer and "left over pipe work" from two of its committee members (including the Presdient). This sounds like a conflict of interest? Hopefully not. Will this mean that we will end up with two TPO's in the National Capital that are worthless musical instrument's. Hopefully not.   I'm sure that if TOSA ACT would just inform all of its members exactly what is happening and let us all know about their plans for this second instrument that any concerns that exist will be put to bed. If not, then other courses of action must be taken to ensure that such an institution gets a worthy instrument. After all thousands of people pass through the gates of the National Film and Sound Archive every week.   Ian McLean  
(back) Subject: Re: Dreams of Pipe From: jcmoore <moorehse@midwest.net> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:32:04 -0500   At 11:26 PM 5/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hot damn!! That IS you!!! >How's life down there? What's new? > >Dear Michael,   Are you the son of Jim Keeley of Wauwatosa Wisconson, who for many years served at the Church of Christ King on Swan Blvd.?   If you are the same, many years ago I babysat for you, Patrick and Katey. Please let me know how your folks are and if they're still active. Jim was my first organ teacher and I remeber his Gilbert and Sullivan shows at the Skylight Theatre with Ray Smith, my first piano teacher.   If you're not the same Mike Keeley, please forgive the intrusion.   Chris Moore    
(back) Subject: Re: Entreat me not to leave thee From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:46:21 -0400 (EDT)   On Sat, 16 May 1998, Shirley wrote: > At 15:27 05/14/98 -0400, you wrote: > > > It is a poor wedding solo, biblical background notwithstanding. > > > > Karl > > OK, Karl, out with it. :) What do *you* suggest? > --Shirley   Several issues pertain:   1. that The Church exists for purposes of the Gospel, not to provide a theatre for persons' activities--and especially NOT for their glory.   2. that, except for churches who define marriage as sacramental, there is no spiritual necessity to bring the wedding into the church--and that if one does, then one should observe the Church's purposes, not the couple's or families' purposes. That means the work of the Gospel, however the given church defines it but always to include worship of God. This does not mean that the Church should not perform marriage; it does mean, however, that, apart from the vows, the service be of worship of God. Predictable, of course, some persons find this standard difficult to accept.   3. When God is worshipped, God becomes, as Marva Dawn has eloquently stated, both the subject and object of worship--and the people do not. That means texts of praise and prayer in which all the worshippers can participate, even if only vicariously, much as people pray vicariously every time some individual leads them aloud in prayer. Texts which are, in effect, prayers of the couple for their marriage, do not "make it," for they exclude the congregation and make the people instead into an audience, not a congregation. Specifically, that's my response to Shirley's question.   4. Songs of love or even of respect between or among persons have no place in public worship, for they unduly displace attention on God with attention of the persons involved in the marriage. Obviously, the vows DO pertain to intrapersonal matters, but little else should do so. The fact that "Entreat Me Not To Leave Thee" quotes a biblical text makes no difference in this line of thought. Out of context, the people hearing it cannot understand it as anything except a secular love song.   5. Love songs belong at the reception, not in a church wedding. A wedding in a rose garden et al would not have this consideration, of course.   This could become more detailed, but perhaps I've written enough to answer the question posed.   Cordially, Karl    
(back) Subject: Middletown, NY: Members' Recital + Church's 150th Anniversary From: patmai@juno.com (Patricia R. Maimone) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:51:04 -0400   The following members of the Central Hudson Valley Chapter AGO played in celebration of Grace Episcopal Church's 150th Anniversary in Middletown, NY Sunday, May 17th at 3 PM. 1. Now Thank We All Our God Bach, arr. Fox Jeffrey Alban 2. Romance in E Flat Susan E. LaGrand Susan E. LaGrand   3. Change Our Hearts R. Cooney, arr. LaGrand Susan LaGrand, organ, Margaret Pecoraro, piano   4. Toccatina for Flute Pietro Yon Donald Filkins   5. Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ (Orgelbuechlein) J. S. Bach Bob Zeliff   6. Pasticcio (Organ Book) Jean Langlais Al Reese   7. Jesus Still Lead On - Symphonic Chorale S. Karg-Elert Jack Davis 8. Prayer of Saint Gregory Alan Hovhaness Al Reese, trumpet; Patricia Maimone, organ   9. * Hymn No. 664 (The Hymnal 1982) Resignation (sung by all) Resignation (6 Meditations on American Folk Hymns) Charles Callahan Patricia Maimone   10. This Joyful Eastertide Jan Bender Jimrae Lenser The organ is a 3-manual Austin. A good sized crowd was present; Mary Caskey, host organist and chapter treasurer, had done a fine job of publicizing the event. Her choir prepared a reception for the artists and audience. Mary, who studied with Claire Coci, has been in the hospital since last Monday and was thus unable to play the Andriessen she had planned.  
(back) Subject: Re: Piano/Organ Poll Result From: Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:58:35 -0700   Vox Celeste wrote: > ... People, I don't exist, I LIVE!! You might know - that gadabout Mame Dennis B...   Wow! Sounds more like Vox Clarion than Vox Celeste. ;-)   -- Mac Hayes mach37@ptw.com Better a brick airplane than a brick boat.