PipeChat Digest #380 - Wednesday, May 20, 1998
 
Re: SECOND THEATRE ORGAN FOR CANBERRA?
  by "Ian B. McLean" <solotibia@enternet.com.au>
Re: Stijnkens Pipe makers -you guys aren't very nice!
  by "Thomas Haubrich" <haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
Rating various Pipe Schopps (Pun intended!)  Was: Stijnkens
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: Kilgen organs
  by "ScottFop" <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Stijnkens Pipe makers -you guys aren't very nice!
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Ahlborn Module Question
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net>
HI!
  by "Jenny Moon" <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk>
RE: HI!
  by "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com>
Hi again
  by "Jenny Moon" <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk>
Re: Entreat me not to leave thee
  by "Sheridan Mascall" <sheridan.mascall@visionet.com.au>
Re: Pipe Organ Digital Controls
  by "RMaryman" <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Kilgen organs
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: What will happen to the Kimball Organ?
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Walter Wanderley Recording
  by "John Balboni" <JohnB@GCQ.net>
Re: Kilgen organs
  by "RJWARSHAM" <RJWARSHAM@aol.com>
More orgelpix X-post
  by "Jonathan M Orwig" <giwro@juno.com>
Ascension and Easter VII, Westbury NY (x-post)
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: SECOND THEATRE ORGAN FOR CANBERRA? From: "Ian B. McLean" <solotibia@enternet.com.au> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:43:48 +1000   Ian B. McLean wrote:   > One member is even more concerned when the President of TOSA ACT > informed him that TOSA ACT had purchased non WurliTzer and "left over > pipe work" from two of its committee members (including the President).   This member informs me that this may not be a purchase but a "loan" of this "left over" pipework. However, as another pointed out to me today, these "loans" are only of value if they are musically meaningful. No doubt a "loan" could appear to provide some measure of largesse from those doing the loaning?   Given that this is after all the National Film and Sound Archive of Australia, wouldn't it be nice if the instrument also had historical relevance as well? There is more than one example of such in Australia. Quite possibly one of those (the Clancy residence instrument) could be available? Complete, unique, and musically interesting. After all it was the demonstration WurliTzer for Australia.   Even on a global basis such opportunities for continuous public exposure of a TPO are very few, that this project appears so compromised at this early stage is a great pity. This situation is not that dissimilar to that of a specialist, and sort of, partial, Smithsonian.   On a purely musical basis this is one of the responses that I received from a top Australian theatre pipe organist:   >I don't understand. If access is poor at the Albert Hall, why not >simply take the Compton out of there and re-install it at the NSFA? The >left-over money could be used to good effect to fill in the tonal holes on the >instrument.     Ian McLean  
(back) Subject: Re: Stijnkens Pipe makers -you guys aren't very nice! From: "Thomas Haubrich" <haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:42:48 +0200   As a builder, I find that they are very good people to >work with, and build "top drawer" quality pipework. >Even in jest, I hate to see them disparaged in a public arena like this. > >Richard Schneider, President >SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc.     :-o   Dear Richard!!!   The mail about the Stinkens pipemakers wasn't meant to flame anyone in any way!   We just made a bit fun about the combination Makin-Stinken organbuilders, which would be in fact a real funny cooperation...   :-)   Be sure, we all believe, that they are fine guys, who make pretty good pipes.   With no stinkin', but only the best regards   Tom by the Rhine    
(back) Subject: Rating various Pipe Schopps (Pun intended!) Was: Stijnkens From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:07:05 -0700   On Mon, 18 May 1998 20:08:22 EDT Prestant16 <Prestant16@aol.com>   > I've heard that somtimes the apprentice pipemakers make a few pipes of > a customers rank, and they are sometimes less than acceptable. In > fact, I've heard of an instance where the pipes were so bad they were > sent back.   A couple of comments here:   1) So we get this straight: it's spelled STINKENS! The "j" is in "Orgelpijpenmakers", not in the name. . .   2) This business of bad pipework is hearsay. You've not seen this yourself, so I'm not sure you should be making allegations based on "I've heard". Having said that, I'll admit to having once in awhile having a problem with a pipe that I can't figure out. Then come to discover that I am contending with a bad solder seam.   But aren't we all human? Don't we all have an "off" day? I know I do, but they do what I do when that happens: the warranty kicks-in and I make it right for them. They have always taken care of such problems for me presto!   3) Schopps is also a high quality pipemaker, as is Tommy Anderson. Quite actually, there are a number of good Pipe Shops throughout the world these days. Even the once-dispised "Organ Supply" has worked quite hard to improve the quality of their product to the same level.   > But I've been told that if I wanted the best pipes, get the flues from > Stinkens, and the reeds from A. R. Schopp.   I think that is quite dependent upon the tonal result one is after. If one is going for more harmonic development in their reeds, Giesecke in Germany would be the reed-builder of choice. If a tamer, Anglo-American sound is desired, then Schopp would be the reed builder of choice.   But be prepared to wait 3 years for their work! They have that much demand!   Faithfully,   / ^ ^ \ { (O) (O) } --------oOOOo--------U-------oOOOo------------     "Arp" in the "Corn Patch" Richard Schneider, President SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston Street Post Office Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpncorn@davesworld.net EMAIL (Note change in ISP's Domain-Name!)  
(back) Subject: Re: Kilgen organs From: ScottFop <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:33:31 EDT   In a message dated 98-05-19 08:57:35 EDT, you write:   << I always think of this organ when I read the writings of the "preserve all instruments in their orginal state" crowd. The only state this instrument should be in is laying in the garbage can. >>   I was going to stay quiet on this one but now I must say something after reading this latest.   I have played four Kilgens in my life and heard the recordings of another, that of the Cathedral in St. Louis, MO. The ones I have played are in Cheraw, SC, one here in Munhall, PA, the one at St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC and the Kilgen at the Shrine of the Little Flower in Detroit. All of them made a very favorable impression upon me. I am a true fan of the American Symphonic organ of the 1920's and 30's and I found the Kilgens beautiful, exciting, highly orchestral of course and indeed valuable pieces of American organ building history.   The Kilgens I played here in Munhall and in SC are totally unaltered. St. Patrick's in NYC has been altered beyond it's original recognition but the old, symphonic sounds are still very much there. The Kilgen in Michigan (which for years has been referred to as "the organ under the floor") is, by far, one of the company's finest and least known instruments. It is almost totally original and is currently being fully restored. It has twin four manual wing-tab consoles (like the orignal St. Pat's gallery console) and, in this case, the entire resources of the main and antiphonal divisions are playable from EITHER console or simultaneously.   True, the main Great has three 8' open diapasons (#s 1, 2 and 3) as does the main Swell, Choir, Antiphonal Great and Swell. There are also Hohlflutes and Doppelflutes to be found as well as no less than seven celestes, two Vox Humanae, four 32' pedal stops and a Tuba Mirabilis (and of course Open Woods where expected!)   In addition to the usual "goodies" listed above that are found on many instruments of this era- there are independent CHORUS MIXTURES on every division except for the Antiphonal Swell. They are as follows:   Main Great: Plein Jeu VII rks Main Swell: Mixture III rks (and it does the job!) Main Choir: Carillon IV rks (I remember it as at least 4 ranks.......) Main Solo: Cymbale VII rks Antiph Great: Fourniture IV rks   These nomenclatures and rank numbers are almost totally accurate I am certain, if not I am only slightly off. In addition, the Shrine organ also has notable reed choruses throughout. They are listed below, and the 8 chorus trumpet reeds are all very much distinctly different from one another:   Main Great: 16 Double Trumpet, 8 Tromba, 4 Clarion   Main Swell: 16 Posaune, 8 Trumpet, 8 Oboe d'Amour, 8 Vox, 4 Clarion   Main Choir: 8 Clarinette, 8 Trumpet, 8 Oboe d'Orchestre   Main Solo: 8 Tuba Mirabilis, 8 French Horn   Main Pedal: 32 Contra Posaune, 16 Trombone, 16 Double Trumpet (GR), 16 Posaune (SW)   Antiph Great: 8 Trumpet   Antiph Swell: 8 Oboe, 8 Vox Humana   Antiph Pedal: 16 Bombarde   These are the minimum of what I recall. As far as "the organ under the floor" is concerned: the main divisions of the instrument speak from the choir gallery, are located directly behind open grillwork and their sounds are not impeded in the least. The antiphonal divisions are located in the basement and speak through tone chutes up into the Sanctuary and chancel choir area. (There are two choir "lofts," hence- the twin consoles).   The Celestes as I recall are:   Main Swell: Viola 8, Viola Celeste 8, Flauto Dolce 8, Flauto Dolce Celeste 8, Aeoline 8, Aeoline Celeste 8   Main Choir: Viole d'Orchestra 8, Viole d'Orchestra Celeste 8, Dulciana 8, Unda Maris 8   Main Solo: Gross Gamba 8, Gross Gamba Celeste 8   Antiph Swell: Salicional 8, Voix Celeste 8   Anyway- while it is true that Kilgen did not build as many instruments for churches during that era as Casavant, Ernest Skinner, Moller or other builders- they definitely built a grand instrument. Those that are left are indeed valuable and have much to offer the world of church music and organ recitals/concerts. (The LATTER, in this case- I believe would be more correct!)   Scott Foppiano   PS- ALL divisions of the Shrine organ including both Great and Pedal divisions are under expression (as God intended!)  
(back) Subject: Re: Stijnkens Pipe makers -you guys aren't very nice! From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:21:30 -0400   Thomas Haubrich wrote: > > As a builder, I find that they are very good people to > >work with, and build "top drawer" quality pipework. > >Even in jest, I hate to see them disparaged in a public arena like this. > > > >Richard Schneider, President > >SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. > > :-o > > Dear Richard!!! > > The mail about the Stinkens pipemakers wasn't meant > to flame anyone in any way! > > We just made a bit fun about the combination > Makin-Stinken organbuilders, which would be > in fact a real funny cooperation... > > :-) > > Be sure, we all believe, that they are fine guys, > who make pretty good pipes. > > With no stinkin', but only the best regards > > Tom by the Rhine     Let me add my apology. In the future I will keep my snider pipe organ comments to myself. As my cockney friend would say "I'll stop 'arping about it!"     Stan (Just a patch 'o corniness today)  
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborn Module Question From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:23:30 -0400   ""...AE-50, Orchestral Expander and the Expander II... Terry, how did you arrive at those? Did you "test-drive" others first?""   Hi Shirley,   sorry not to have posted sooner...We did not test drive the others, however, I certainly recommend anyone doing so...we have no reps near for Ahlborn, etc... only Rodgers which would not be a possible consideration in our case anyway.     Terry    
(back) Subject: HI! From: Jenny Moon <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:12:42 BST     Hello   Pipe chat was recomended to me and so I have subscribed. I dont know exactly what it's all about but I thought I would give it a chance any way. Can anyone tell me anything about it?   Thanks.   Jen.      
(back) Subject: RE: HI! From: "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:21:19 -0700   Try the PipeChat hompage. Other than that, it's a wide range of people, perspectives, occupations, beliefs, all centered around organs--pipe and electronic. It's a lot of fun, and you'll learn a lot in the process.   Welcome, Jenny! Tell us a little about yourself, how you found us, and your connection with the King of Instruments. That's usually a good way to start an E-conversation.   > ---------- > From: Jenny Moon[SMTP:bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk] > Reply To: PipeChat > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 3:12 PM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: HI! > > > Hello > > Pipe chat was recomended to me and so I have subscribed. I dont know > exactly what it's all about but I thought I would give it a chance any > > way. Can anyone tell me anything about it? > > Thanks. > > Jen. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Hi again From: Jenny Moon <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:43:06 BST     IGNORE.IGNORE.IGNORE.   On Tue, 19 May 1998 22:40:06 +0100 Mail Delivery System wrote:   > From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon@central.susx.ac.uk> > Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:40:06 +0100 > Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender > To: bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The > following address(es) failed: > > pipechat@pipecat.com: > unknown mail domain > > ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ > > Return-path: <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> > Received: from cs1803.central.susx.ac.uk [139.184.252.13] > by maila.central.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #16) > id 0ybu7C-0003JX-00; Tue, 19 May 1998 22:40:06 +0100 > Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:38:16 BST > From: Jenny Moon <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> > Subject: Hi again, > To: pipechat@pipecat.com > Message-ID: <ECS9805192216A@central.susx.ac.uk> > Priority: Normal > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
(back) Subject: Re: Entreat me not to leave thee From: sheridan.mascall@visionet.com.au (Sheridan Mascall) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:58:08 +1000     -----Original Message----- From: Karl E. Moyer <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, 19 May 1998 11:44 Subject: Re: Entreat me not to leave thee     <snipped for bandwidth>   A very thoughtful and objectively-phrased (not flamiing!!) response, Karl, and I couldn't agree more.   ~Sheridan~    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Digital Controls From: RMaryman <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:03:48 EDT   I have installed solid-state (read digital) control systems on a variety of pipe organs (mostly Moller) and find them to be quite reliable if they are correctly installed. My personal preference is for the products manufactured by Peterson Electro-Musical Products. In installing this type of system on your old Skinner (which will really enhance the console functions, using a muilt-level combination system) does not eliminate the need to re-leather the primaries and pouch-boards, and other leathered mechanisms, rather it gives a higher digree of control in the electrical functions of the instrument, and if you retain the original key contact blocks and choppers, will enable them to give another fifty or so years of service due to the elimination fo key- contact sparking which was common in ole Skinners organs.   one word of advice - CHOOSE CAREFULLY who you get to do the restoration, as Skinner chests require good workmanship in releathering, and in the double- acting primary actions in particular. when well done, a Skinner e-p type action will respond as rapidly as you can manipulate the keeys with even the most fleet of fingers, but a poorly rebuilt (and/or adjusted) Skinner chest can be a curse beyond description.   Best of luck.   Rick Maryman  
(back) Subject: Re: Kilgen organs From: dougcampbell@juno.com (Douglas A. Campbell) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:11:05 EDT     On Tue, 19 May 1998 13:33:31 EDT ScottFop <ScottFop@aol.com> writes:   >Kilgen at the Shrine of the Little Flower in Detroit. The Kilgen in >Michigan >(which for years has been referred to as "the organ under the floor") >is, by >far, one of the company's finest and least known instruments. It is >almost >totally original and is currently being fully restored.   Dear Scott,   In the early 70s I had the opportunity to play this instrument! I agree - it is truly a wonderful example of the period. A little heavy in the middle, perhaps, but all in all a wonderful instrument - 102 ranks, as I remember.   Also, I distinctly remember that there were 3 mixtures between the 2 GREAT divisions, a 3rk, a 4rk and a 7rk. I distinctly remember that there were a total of 14 ranks of mixtures in the combined GREAT.   Who is doing the restoration ?     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: What will happen to the Kimball Organ? From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:51:41 -0500   Jason D. Comet wrote: > > The Junior High School in my town is rebuilding their building. They > were thinking about enlarging the auditorium to house more people. If > this insturment doesn't find a home, maybe the Junior High School would > want to house this "fabulous" insturment. I, of course, and Kristen Guy, > would be the organists. We both go to the High School across the parking > lot, but our schedules aren't that busy.   Well, we all have our ideas that never get anywhere. :-( Your board of education can do two things. 1) Find the idea interesting. 2) [my case]: Laugh, laugh, and laugh louder, then ask how much sleep you've had lately. But, GOOD LUCK. You have to hit the board like a 90mph brick before they will consider your idea...unless there is an organ enthusiast there. That seems like the way things work with ANY idea no one else has thought of before.   Anyway,   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com (Sorry for bringing back an old subject...I'm 1177 unread e-mails behind!!)      
(back) Subject: Walter Wanderley Recording From: JohnB@GCQ.net (John Balboni) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:20:20 -0400     I recently purchased the CD reissue "Samba Swing" by Walter Wanderley (Scamp SCP 9704-2). Now I'm curious. Did anyone ever publish arrangements of his music for organ? I found in my sheet music collection a copy of Summer Samba, published by Duchess Music Corporation, arranged by Wanderley. Something I probably purchased in the mid-70's. However, the arrangement doesn't really match the way it was played on the recording. I was looking also for a source of some of his other songs, like Cry out Your Sadness and Bossa No Praia (Beach Samba).   Thanks! John Balboni JohnB@GCQ.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Kilgen organs From: RJWARSHAM <RJWARSHAM@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:02:09 EDT   There is a Kilgen 2 manual tracker and pedal in the Chapel of Sainte Anne deDetroit in Detroit. The organ was purchased some time back from a church on Detroit's east side where it had sat unused for a number of years. I remember being told that it was taken down and reinstalled with only minor repairs. The parish is preparing to celebrate its 300th anniversary in 2001 Their web address is http://www.jimsweb.com/ste.anne/  
(back) Subject: More orgelpix X-post From: giwro@juno.com (Jonathan M Orwig) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:33:52 -0700   Howdy, Pipe-chatters and orglers,   More organ pix available in jpg format - this series focuses on different consoles -   Several shots (4) of the new console for the IV/100+ 1971 Casavant @ Loma Linda University Church (SDA) I've been asked to play for a jr hi graduation there, and so took along the digital camera during my practice time...   Another console in an SDA church - this one the III/60-ish 1925 Casavant @ the Campus Hill SDA church, where I practice and sub sometimes... (1)   The console and pipe façade at La Sierra University, another large 4M Casavant. Clearly showing on top of the console are the two MIDI expansion modules....   For those of you who cannot accept file attachments, I will soon post these on the web - others feel free to email me privately and request the pictures. This summer I plan to take lots more - hopefully in AZ as well as southern CA, and will be glad to share them also.   Cheers, **************** Jonathan Orwig Minister of Music - Bethany Church, Redlands, CA for new Organ, Keyboard & Choral Music visit Evensong Music at: http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Ascension and Easter VII, Westbury NY (x-post) From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 03:13:25 -0400   Church of the Advent, Westbury, New York The Rev'd Jeffrey Hoyt Krantz, rector Kenneth L. Sybesma, choirmaster and organist     The Feast of the Ascension, 21 May   Voluntary at the Gathering, "Basse de Cromorne" Jean Francois Dandrieu Hymn at the Entering Procession, H483 St Magnus, "The Head that once was crowned with thorns" Gloria in excelsis Deo, L241 David Hurd, "Intercession Mass" Psalm 47, Anglican chant (Kennedy) Hymn at the Gospel Procession, H460 Hyfrydol, "Alleluia! Sing to Jesus" Fanfare after the Gospel Proclamation, "Duo en Cors de Chasse sur la Trompete" Voluntary at the Presentation, "Suite de l'ofertoire" J.F. Dandrieu Hymn at the Presentation, H307 Bryn Calfaria, "Lord, enthroned in heavenly splendor" Sanctus and Benedictus, S128, William Mathias The Lord's Prayer S119, plainsong Fraction Anthem, "The disciples knew the Lord Jesus..." S167, plainsong Motet at the Holy Communion, "If Ye Love Me" Thomas Tallis Voluntary at the Holy Communion, "Flutes" J.F. Dandrieu Hymn at the Ablutions, H301 Rendez a Dieu, "Bread of the world, in mercy broken" Hymn at the Retiring Procession, H214 Llanfair, "Hail the day that sees him rise" Voluntary at the Dismissal, "Point d'Orgue sur les Grands jeux" Nicolas de Grigny   Notes on the Music With the exception of the Voluntary at the Dismissal, the organ music for the Feast is taken from "Premiere Livre de Pieces d'Orgue" by Jean Francois Dandrieu. The final work, by Nicolas de Grigny, is from "Livre d'Orgue."       Easter VII, Sunday after Ascension, 24 May   Voluntary at the Gathering, "Variations on 'Allein Gott in der Hoeh sei Ehr' " Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck Hymn at the Entering Procession, H214 Llanfair, "Hail the day that sees him rise" Gloria in excelsis Deo, L241 David Hurd, "Intercession Mass" Psalm 68, Anglican chant (Kennedy) Hymn at the Gospel Procession, H221 Gonfalon Royal, "O Lord Most High, eternal King" Motet at the Presentation, "If Ye Love Me" Thomas Tallis Hymn at the Presentation, H484 Wachet auf, "Praise the Lord through every nation" Sanctus and Benedictus, S128, William Mathias The Lord's Prayer S119, plainsong Fraction Anthem, "The disciples knew the Lord Jesus..." S167, plainsong Anthem at the Holy Communion, "Omnes gentes, plaudite" Psalm 47, Anglican chant by William Henry Havergal Voluntary at the Holy Communion, "Allein Gott in der Hoeh sei Ehr" Johann Sebastian Bach Hymn at the Ablutions, H328 Song 46, "Draw nigh and take the Body of the Lord" Hymn at the Retiring Procession, H494 Diademata, "Crown him with many crowns" Voluntary at the Dismissal, "Grand choeur a la Handel " Felix Alexandre Guilmant