PipeChat Digest #384 - Friday, May 22, 1998
 
How does an organ get me across town? (X-posted and more)
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Entreat me not to leave thee
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: How does an organ get me across town? (X-posted and more)
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: How does an organ get me across town? (X-posted and more)
  by "KZimme7737" <KZimme7737@aol.com>
Re: July 4 music
  by "James Wingate" <jwingate@peachnet.campus.mci.net>
Re: How does an organ get me across town? (X-posted and more)
  by "GHamil9709" <GHamil9709@aol.com>
Re: July 4 Music
  by <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com>
Re: Kevin's money managment
  by "ComposerTX" <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: July 4 Music /Coast Guard Anthem
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Entreat me not to leave thee
  by "Gayle Woikey" <woikey@cei.net>
Fwd: Organ pipes for sale - Please reply privately
  by "Dr. Peter G. Pocock" <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com>
Re: July 4 music
  by "Gayle Woikey" <woikey@cei.net>
Re: Wedding Procs/Recs
  by "Vernon Moeller" <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Re: 4th of July Music
  by "Vernon Moeller" <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Re: July 4 Music /Air Force Anthem
  by "Peggy C. Bie" <peggyb@gate.net>
RE: July 4 music
  by "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com>
Need practice suggestions 4 bluegrass organ 16th notes
  by "TonyIn219" <TonyIn219@aol.com>
Re: Need practice suggestions 4 bluegrass organ 16th notes
  by "Shakehip" <Shakehip@aol.com>
Re: "Wedding Song"
  by "Robert Horton" <r-horton@nwu.edu>
Re: Method to teach youngster
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
SHUT-DOWN
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: July 4 music
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: July 4 music
  by "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net>
Re: July 4 music
  by "KARL W KELLER" <kwkeller@juno.com>
 


(back) Subject: How does an organ get me across town? (X-posted and more) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:32:31 -0500   The above subject (How does an organ get me across town?) refers to my mother's question of pipe organ vs. automobile. So, I went to the state auction and came home in a 1993 Chevrolet Lumina (Euro model) with just over 40k miles. PERFECT condition, must have been assigned to someone who knew how to take care of their state vehicle. Mostly highway miles on it anyway.   So, I spent $3,500 on the car, and I need a tire balanced. That leaves me with a nice sum (or should I say 'difference') to pay for auto insurance and my 2/3 Wicks, and my mother has to find another excuse to keep an organ out of the house. I seem to be getting lucky: a 2/3 Wicks for $1,500, an Estey reed organ (mint condition) for $250, a car for $3,500, 12 Bourdons w/chest for $300, and a wonderful electronic theatre organ for $800 has appeared on the financial and/or wish list. What's next??   Anyway, finished boasting for now...   Kevin Cartwright kevin1@alaweb.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Entreat me not to leave thee From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:22:42 -0400   In the case of this tune, the question is moot. "Thanks Be to Thee" is not by Handel, but by Siegfried Ochs, added to a collection of Handel arias that he edited- so it is originally a sacred text. All those arpeggios in the repeat aren't some idiot editor's Victorian idea of Handel accompaniment- they're original, just not by GFH.   Paul Opel   > The music from a Handel opera >set to the text "Thanks Be To Thee" that someone assigned to it will give >today's "average" worshiper no sense of secular or inappropriate >background or connotation and thus *at least on that account* can be used >as fully appropriate. >   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: How does an organ get me across town? (X-posted and more) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:25:15 -0500   bruce cornely wrote: > > Kevin asks... > > >What's next? > > A couple of weeks in the islands would be nice. There are some wonderful > organs in the Bahamas!   Well, the only place I'm going in a couple of weeks is St. Louis (to get the Wicks) and Pittsburg...no escape for the weary in store for me...not yet anyway.   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com    
(back) Subject: Re: How does an organ get me across town? (X-posted and more) From: KZimme7737 <KZimme7737@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:32:13 EDT   I told Kevin that he was very fortunate to be getting his necessities at such good prices. If he wants to find out what EXPENSIVE means, wait 'til he gets a woman. Nothing is more expensive than a woman - unless one tries to possess two.   I just celebrated 14 years of "marital bliss". In spite of the fusses and three children, we're still happy together. Perhaps it's worth the expense.   Keith   "Women.....you can't live with 'em, and you can't live without 'em....  
(back) Subject: Re: July 4 music From: James Wingate <jwingate@peachnet.campus.mci.net> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:57:38 +0000   Glenda wrote: > > I'm trying to compile a list of some suitable music for July 4 service > preludes/postludes/other. >   You should look at "The Fourth of July Suite" by James Hewitt. This music should work on almost any organ that contains at least two ranks.   James Wingate, Atlanta jwingate@lovett.org  
(back) Subject: Re: How does an organ get me across town? (X-posted and more) From: GHamil9709 <GHamil9709@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:58:58 EDT   In a message dated 5/22/98 7:33:49 AM US Eastern Standard Time, KZimme7737@aol.com writes:   << I just celebrated 14 years of "marital bliss". In spite of the fusses and three children, we're still happy together. Perhaps it's worth the expense. >>   Just passed our 56th here! Gene Hamilton - Indianapolis  
(back) Subject: Re: July 4 Music From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:28:06 -0400     Last year, I put together a "home-grown" medley of patriotic tunes, and even threw in our state song, "Beautiful Ohio" for the prelude on the Sunday before July 4. It was certainly not typical service music, but I got away with it and the congregation seemed to enjoy it. For the offertory, I played "The Battle Hymn of the Republic". I checked with the pastor beforehand and he said that it was all right with him for me to play the patriotic music. (I figured he wouldn't complain too much, since he is an Army Reserve Chaplain and usually wears his dress uniform on the Sunday prior to Veterans' Day.) We had a missionary speaker that day, and after the service, she thanked me for playing the patriotic music, saying that she gets awfully tired of hearing mi ssionary-themed music when she goes on deputation trips!   Anyway, my question is, does the Coast Guard have a song of their own? I put snippets of "The Caissons Go Rolling Along", "From the Halls of Montezuma", etc. into the prelude but none of my books of patriotic music contained anything designated for the Coast Guard. (Believe it or not, I had quite a time finding the music for "Off We Go, into the Wild Blue Yonder", and I'm glad most of the congregation isn't familiar with all of the words (something about a " heck of a fight") or I probably would have been fired from this volunteer organist position.)   Have a happy and safe holiday weekend, everyone!     George Greene Sunbury, Ohio George.Greene@RossNutrition.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Kevin's money managment From: ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:54:17 EDT   Kevin, I want to offer you a job, not only as MY personal account manager, but also as the TREASURER of my church. LOL. Sounds like you made the most of what you had. Best of luck with your many projects. Keep us posted. Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: Re: July 4 Music /Coast Guard Anthem From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:02:37 -0400   George.Greene@rossnutrition.com wrote: > > > Anyway, my question is, does the Coast Guard have a song of their own? I put > snippets of "The Caissons Go Rolling Along", "From the Halls of Montezuma", > etc. into the prelude but none of my books of patriotic music contained > anything designated for the Coast Guard. (Believe it or not, I had quite a > time finding the music for "Off We Go, into the Wild Blue Yonder", and I'm glad > most of the congregation isn't familiar with all of the words (something about > a " heck of a fight") or I probably would have been fired from this volunteer > organist position.) > > Have a happy and safe holiday weekend, everyone! > > George Greene > Sunbury, Ohio   http://www.uscg.mil/sounds/sempara.html will take you to the United States Coast Guard Website where some sound samples are available.   Semper Paratus   Stan  
(back) Subject: Re: Entreat me not to leave thee From: Gayle Woikey <woikey@cei.net> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:20:10 -0500   I use selections from Integrity Hosanna series as part of wedding services. Mostly the ones that talk about God's gifts to us and His love toward us. There are some arranged for piano solo, others for voice and piano. (Pipe organ can be used too, just check your settings, stops, beforehand to make sure it sounds tasteful) Gayle Woikey woikey@cei.net   Shirley wrote:   > Karl wrote, in a well-thought-out response: > > >5. Love songs belong at the reception, not in a church wedding. A > >wedding in a rose garden et al would not have this consideration, of > >course. > > So, Karl, so much of wedding music is from opera and "popular" culture... > what do *you* use in your repertoire, in order to keep the wedding service > of worship just that, worship? What do you suggest to vocalists? > > --Shirley > > PS - sorry for the delay in response to this... have been offline since > Sunday. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Fwd: Organ pipes for sale - Please reply privately From: "Dr. Peter G. Pocock" <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:31:37 -0700   We have been asked to forward the following message to the list. If you are interested, please reply privately.   Pete!   =======FWD===========   Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:14:59 -0400 From: Paulette Watkins <watkinsp@csps.com> Subject: Organ pipes for sale To: admin@pipechat.org   My name is Paulette Watkins and I supervise the organ restoration at The Christian Science Church in Boston, MA. My number is 1800-288-7155 ext 7084.   We are restoring both The Mother Church organs and in the process we have some pipes for sale. If you know of someone that could use the following list of pipes please contact me by e-mail or telephone.   Thank you for your help.       TMCX pipes to be sold: Solo Trompette Cor des Anges 8 Bombarde Reed 16 Bombarde Trompette 8 Bombarde Clairon 4 Hauptwerk Contra Fagotto 16 Great Qintaton 32 Great Clarion 4   TMCO pipes to be sold: Swell Mixture Swell Echo Viole Great Mixture new Great Spitzfluote 8 Great Bourdon 8 Great Rohrflute 8   Peter G. Pocock, D.M.A. WWW: http://www.netcom.com/~pgpocock/ E-mail: mailto:pgpocock@ix.netcom.com    
(back) Subject: Re: July 4 music From: Gayle Woikey <woikey@cei.net> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:28:06 -0500   Why do we have to praise America during a church service for a man-made holiday. We should really be praising God and Jesus for eternal blessings. America sends it's citizens to war, raises taxes for often unworthy causes, such as more highways for West Virginia. If society really wants separation of church from state, then the church ought to keep it's worship services separate from the state. How many Amens do I hear out there. I love God more than I love Caesar. Render to each their due. Gayle Glenda wrote:   > I'm trying to compile a list of some suitable music for July 4 service > preludes/postludes/other. > > A few ideas: > > Stars and Stripes Forever - I know Biggs did an arrangement of this, which > I have > > Star-Spangled Banner, theme and variations - I believe this is by John Bull > (I have this also) > > Eugene Thayer's Fugue from the Sonata #2 - take off on "America" (have to > buy this one); apparently he also wrote a theme and variations for "The > Star-Spangled Banner" in this sonata also(?) > > Any other suggestions? > > Glenda Sutton > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Procs/Recs From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:21:39 -0500   Lately here in Austin, it's become all the rage to play one processional for everybody but the bride, and then something bigger and louder for the bride. I've played the Pachelbel Canon and then the Wagner Bridal Chorus a couple of times this year already.   Handel's Air from the Water Music Suite makes a good quiet processional, either by itself or as the first part of a double processional, as explained above.   Two really fun pieces to use as recessionals are Mouret's "Masterpiece Theatre" theme (I can't think of the title) and Karg-Elert's "Praise the Lord with Drums and Cymbals" or something like that. I nearly always add one of these two pieces to a recessional, just so I can have some fun while the last few folks are walking out of the sanctuary after the wedding.   \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Re: 4th of July Music From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:24:40 -0500   Beethoven wrote a nice set of variations (for piano) on "God Save the Queen" which I have used as a prelude many times at church. The minor variation is especially beautiful, I think.   Since our Min of Music is a fine pianist, he and I team up on July 4th Sunday (whenever it is) and play a 4-handed version of "Stars and Stripes Forever." It's just about the only postlude that keeps most of the congregation standing around in the sanctuary, waiting to clap in rhythm during the final chorus. Lots of fun! Don't know the arranger, but I can look it up if anybody would like.   \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Re: July 4 Music /Air Force Anthem From: "Peggy C. Bie" <peggyb@gate.net> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:36:00 -0400   George Greene wrote:   > I > had quite a > > time finding the music for "Off We Go, into the Wild Blue > Yonder", and I'm glad > > most of the congregation isn't familiar with all of the words > (something about > > a " heck of a fight") or I probably would have been fired from > this volunteer > > organist position.)     Not if you found the original words. WWII was declared 4 days after my 11th birthday. The following year we were taught all the war songs from the civil war thru WWI in school. New was the Army Air Corps song (there was no Air Force in WWII, just the Army Air Corps. The words were clean.   "Off we go into the wild blue yonder, Climbing high into the sun. Here they come, zooming to meet our thunder, At 'em boys, give 'er the gun. Down we dive, ........? Off in one terrible roar, We live in fame or go down in flame, Nothing can stop the Army Air Corps.     Later, post WWII, the USAF was born, and they adopted the song, with some word changes. There have also been some parodies as "Up in the air junior bird men...."   Peggy Bie http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/1095  
(back) Subject: RE: July 4 music From: "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:22:57 -0700   > Why do we have to praise America during a church service for a > man-made > holiday? > We should really be praising God and Jesus for eternal blessings? > America > sends > it's citizens to war, raises taxes for often unworthy causes, such as > more > highways > for West Virginia. If society really wants separation of church from > state, > then > the church ought to keep it's worship services separate from the > state. > How many Amens do I hear out there? I love God more than I love > Caesar. > Render to each their due. Gayle > Yea and Amen, Gayle. Thank you for getting our focus back to really what and who a worship service is for.   I was given a cold splash of water, so to speak, when I was going to play a variation on the Star-Spangled Banner during the offering. It was not too long ago when 4 July fell on a Sunday. Someone whom I respect asked me, "Why are you going to play that?" I really had to stop and think about that. I changed my plan.   There are better things to play that give glory to God for our nation, but let's not play patriotic stuff just because it's Independence Day. It smacks of a phrase all of us church organists cringe when we here it: "background music."  
(back) Subject: Need practice suggestions 4 bluegrass organ 16th notes From: TonyIn219 <TonyIn219@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:42:17 EDT   I am learning a very fast bluegrass song: "Calling Baton Rouge" by Garth= =0ABrooks for an upcoming square dance (I think it's important to get the= atre=0Aorgan into non-traditional venues).   The tempo is 128 and there is are several breaks and passages with fairly= =0Acomplicated progressions of single- and double-sixteenth notes (simula= ting=0Abluegrass banjoes and hoe-down strings).   I've realized that my technical skills need a lot of help, so I've sequen= ced=0Athe fastest passages so I can at least get through THAT song.   But I WANT to be able to tear up the keyboard, like I used to do. Can any= one=0Arecommend a Bach or other classical study book that can really help= me speed=0Aup my fingers? It doesn't have to be complicated, just fast -= - preferably=0Aworking it's way up in technical difficulty. I have huge h= ands and long=0Afingers, but I'll make a painful and possibly hypocritica= l admission: my=0Atechnique has suffered a bit since I sold my piano. Las= t night I felt like I=0Awas playing with mittens on.   In my defense though, I'll say that I bought myself a Yamaha Disklavier f= or a=0Ahousewarming present to myself, and sold it two years later =97 AT= A PROFIT =97=0Aand used the proceeds to:   pay off all my credit cards; pay off my car; prune and trim 27 full-grown oak trees (just my front yard); pay off a second mortgage; buy a keyboard; buy the Lowrey; buy a sailboat; fix my motorcycle; buy a garden tractor; put a down payment on a new pickup truck; buy the Roland Amps and a microphone. and leave $1,500 in my savings account.   Not bad. I may be a Lowrey pervert, but I am a tireless comparison-shoppe= r,=0Anever pay retail, and manage my money well.   But I digress.   Also, please try to think of something that's in print or can be found at= Carl=0AFisher in Chicago (near my office).   Please respond either to pipechat or via e-mail (preferably not both).   Thanks!   John Carrington Chesterton, Indiana=0A    
(back) Subject: Re: Need practice suggestions 4 bluegrass organ 16th notes From: Shakehip <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:54:05 EDT   In a message dated 5/22/1998 8:43:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, TonyIn219@aol.com writes:   << But I WANT to be able to tear up the keyboard, like I used to do. Can anyone recommend a Bach or other classical study book that can really help me speed up my fingers? It doesn't have to be complicated, just fast -- preferably working it's way up in technical difficulty. I have huge hands and long fingers, but I'll make a painful and possibly hypocritical admission: my technique has suffered a bit since I sold my piano. Last night I felt like I was playing with mittens on. >>     First, please send me a tape when you're done... I want to hear it... What kind of organ will you be on ? ? ? (Serious ! ! ! )   SPeaking as the resident Pianist turned Student of Jazz Hammond... with difficult pieces (and I do fakes... not read) it's best to simply practise the passages in all keys... and create your own pattern exersizes based on it. Hanon's Virtouso Pianist was the staple of my workout for years. Most of the "pros" I know (speaking as a Jazz man) write their own etudes and exersizes or pay "Jazz Gurus" to write them out for them.   Incidently, I'm looking for some nice pedal workouts geared towards popular style ...      
(back) Subject: Re: "Wedding Song" From: Robert Horton <r-horton@nwu.edu> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:56:56 -0500   >>Subject: Re: "Wedding Song" >>Isnt a sensitive organist one who plays what the Bride >>(not the organist) wishes , and then plays it in a most >>beautiful and musical manner??   This is confusing the wedding ceremony with the wedding reception. The Christian sacrament of marriage is the act of accepting another person as a gift from God and swearing your love for that person before the altar. The music in a wedding must reflect that the service is God-focused, not people-focused. Musical requests and secular favourites (classical, pop, whatever...) are tough to justify in the wed- ding service unless they tie directly into that theme. Sadly, most folks seem to have forgotten this fact when planning their betrothal.   (Try explaining this to a bride's mother who insists that their daughter have Auntie Moosejaw sing their favorite tune during the exchange of the rings. Good luck getting that one across! :>)     Robert Horton, Millar Chapel Organ Scholar 825 Foster Street, Evanston, IL 60201 tel. 847.424.9368 http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~rch507/   Q. How many organists does it take to change a light bulb? A. Four...one to change the bulb and three to complain that the light switch needs combination pistons.  
(back) Subject: Re: Method to teach youngster From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:09:45 -0400   I want to find a church-organ method that isn't dry, that is appropriate for a child of this age and will keep them interested.   Ideas?   *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Yes.   Roger E. Davis has published a book entitled: The Organist's Manual Technical Studies and Selected Compositions for the Organ.   They are V E R Y grand. I and any other organist in Northern NY would suggest it highly. (Well, every organist I know. Say, about 25!)   They are pretty expensive, but that is cheap for all the information you get. It has : MANUAL TECHNIQUE PEDAL TECHNIQUE ELEMENTS OF TECHNIQUE AND INTERPRETATION COMPOSITIONS FOR MANUALS STUDIES AND COMPOSITIONS FOR MANUALS AND PEDALS APPENDICES INDICES   Appendices include: HYMN PLAYING THE ORGAN, a General Description GLOSSARY SUGGESTIONS FOR FURTHER READING   If you are interested, E-mail me privatly and I'll send you the publisher and ISBN # and all that other good stuff!   Around 200 pages.   Later.... Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: SHUT-DOWN From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:11:03 -0400   Right now, I'm moving in with my grandparents and we are taking th computer with us. So, I'm going to have to shut-down for a while while we get everything in and settled down.   I'm going to return in a couple of weeks, though. I'm going to check my mail once more before I shut-down. I will still be in the same area, just a couple of blocks away. It won't be that long, so I will keep all my acounts up and running, I'll just change the number that I'm calling from. PLEASE don't disconnect me from the list.   I will see you all in a couple of weeks. And sorry I haven't been writing in the past few weeks, I haven't had the chance. This is the first time since the last posting that I have logged-on or even turned on my computer. So, I'll say good bye for this couple of weeks. I should be talking organs with you by the first or middle of June.   I'll see you all later then. Don't worry about replying to this message. This is the last set of keystrokes before I unplugg the computer.   Later All (and just so I put something relating to organs in) and Happy PIPINGS!!!!     Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: July 4 music From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:25:47 PDT     > I used to play every year on July 4th weekend.... haven't in a > while, though. When I did, I'd improvise on "America the > Beautiful" for the prelude. > > -Shirley   Another great piece is Beethoven's "Variations on the National Song" which uses "God Save the King" or "God Bless our Native Land" as the theme. You can either play it on piano or adapt it to the organ keyboard.   I particularly enjoy the variety of treatments in the variations. Some are medium difficulty, others are quite easy.   Mark       Mark Huth Rodgers Instrument Corporation mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgerscorp.com   ==========================   A little help at the right time is better than a lot of help at the wrong time.    
(back) Subject: Re: July 4 music From: Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:56:53 -0700   I'm curious as to why this is written in the 3-rd person? Are you THAT disaffected with our beautiful land? Sad.   At 09:28 AM 5/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >Why do we have to praise America during a church service for a man-made >holiday. >We should really be praising God and Jesus for eternal blessings. America >sends >it's citizens to war, raises taxes for often unworthy causes, such as more >highways >for West Virginia. If society really wants separation of church from state, >then >the church ought to keep it's worship services separate from the state. >How many Amens do I hear out there. I love God more than I love Caesar. >Render to each their due. Gayle >Glenda wrote:    
(back) Subject: Re: July 4 music From: kwkeller@juno.com (KARL W KELLER) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:15:48 -0400   No "AMENS" from me. Aren't all holidays "man made"? Thanksgiving, Mother's Day, Father's Day, Memorial Day, even New Year's Day, Christmas & Easter all all of our making. The USA may have its faults, maybe a lot of faults, but it still is the BEST country in the world and I thank God that I live in this great land and had the opportunity to serve my country during WW2. Nothing thrills me more than hearing our National Anthem or other patrotic music played on an organ in a church or a concert hall.   Karl Musica est Dei donum optimi   On Fri, 22 May 1998 09:28:06 -0500 Gayle Woikey <woikey@cei.net> writes: Why do we have to praise America during a church service for a man-made holiday.   We should really be praising God and Jesus for eternal blessings. America sends it's citizens to war, raises taxes for often unworthy causes, such as more highways for West Virginia. If society really wants separation of church from state, then the church ought to keep it's worship services separate from the state.   How many Amens do I hear out there. I love God more than I love Caesar.   Render to each their due. Gayle   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]