PipeChat Digest #393 - Friday, May 29, 1998
 
darn
  by <Trackerbkr@aol.com>
Re: The Dark Truths Behind Kevin's Thwarted Organ Access
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Locked Consoles and Limited Access
  by "W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net>
Re: New Email list
  by <ROBIN88866@aol.com>
Re: New Email list
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net>
Re: Locked Consoles and Limited Access
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@swbell.net>
Re: DARN!
  by "Vernon Moeller" <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Re: Stars & Stripes For 4 Hands
  by "Vernon Moeller" <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Re: The Dark Truths Behind Kevin's Thwarted Organ Access
  by "Jim H" <BALD1@prodigy.net>
Re: New Email list
  by "Beau Surratt" <beaupiano@earthlink.net>
Re: DARN!
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: New Email list
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
Re: New Email list
  by "Beau Surratt" <beaupiano@earthlink.net>
Re: Locked Consoles and Limited Access
  by <Shakehip@aol.com>
Re: New Email list
  by <KZimme7737@aol.com>
Re: Apology: Viagra
  by <KZimme7737@aol.com>
small organ society
  by "JENNY MOON" <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk>
Re: "On the fly"
  by "Robert Horton" <r-horton@nwu.edu>
(no subject)
  by "JENNY MOON" <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk>
RETRACTION/AMEND/CLARIFICATION
  by <TonyIn219@aol.com>
Re:
  by "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net>
Re: List-mania
  by <Shakehip@aol.com>
Re:
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Locked Consoles and Limited Access
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: DARN!
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: New Email list
  by "Peggy C. Bie" <peggyb@gate.net>
 


(back) Subject: darn From: <Trackerbkr@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:55:40 EDT   Roc wrote: "Regarding 32 zillion registrations in memory and being sacred, is no one taught to register ahead of each composition,,and to change on the fly anymore?"   Of course one can register and change on the fly. Had I known that the memory would remain locked I would have practiced doing all the stops myself, rather than writing down little numbers in my scores and making cards for each piston that I planned to use. I also would have written things down in words rather than in the symbols I use for pistons. The point I was trying to make is that the resident organist was ignorant and inconsiderate.   Laurie Ryan  
(back) Subject: Re: The Dark Truths Behind Kevin's Thwarted Organ Access From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:11:41 EDT   In a message dated 5/28/98 3:21:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, grinder@west.net writes:     John wrote:   << ""...the more my Lowrey is played, the better it works and > > the less maintenance it needs."" >>   I think the key word here is "played" - he doesn't say "played with!" I sincerely doubt that he'd want to open his organ up to a Sunday school class full of sticky-fingered kids who just happened to be tramping through.   I welcome anyone who wants to check out the organ in the church where I play - as long and their hands are clean and they are gentle. Unfortunately, this is something that cannot be guaranteed.   Vicki Ceruti  
(back) Subject: Locked Consoles and Limited Access From: " W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:15:36 -0400       I keep the Allen at church locked up when I am not there. I agree that with permission any visiting organists can come and play the organ. ( Don't all rush over right now!! I haven't had a single visitor yet!) When I first became organist at my church I did not lock it and had a suprise when I returned from vacation. The Vacation Bible School had been going on and when I returned I found the organ on but unplugged, stops down, and the crescendo pedal at full! From that time on I have locked the organ for its own safety and posted a sign to keep people from unpugging it. I have in years since that used the organ with VBS and give the kids a chance to play it. I will do the same thing this year. Anyone with an Allen knows that if you have a key to your organ you have a key to every organ they make!   I also know that if you ask ahead of time most organists are willing to let you play their organs. Because of my asking I have had the chance to play a few interesting organs such as the largest digital organ in the world at First Baptist in Jacksonville, Florida; and the Mormon Tabernacle. (Ok, so I didn't play the A-S but I was allowed to look at the console close-up.)   Sincerely,   Will "Please Visit!" Scarboro   **************************************************** Will Scarboro, Organ Historian (In Training) Organist, Pineda Presbyterian Church, Melbourne, Florida U.S.A 1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow Municipal Organ Research Project ****************************************************    
(back) Subject: Re: New Email list From: <ROBIN88866@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:33:27 EDT   In a message dated 98-05-28 23:50:27 EDT, you write:   << ANOTHER church music list? Sorry, Beau, but I don't think it'll get a whole lot of support.... lessee: There are at least 4 or 5 church music lists I can name off the top of my head..... And now there's YOURS? Hmm.... >>   This is entirely true. I think the other list that has been created relating to organistic humor has a much better "chance!!!!"   Robin  
(back) Subject: Re: New Email list From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:50:49 -0400     Shirley posted: ""ANOTHER church music list? Sorry, Beau, but I don't think it'll get a whole lot of support....""   And Robin follows it: ""I think the other list that has been created relating >to organistic humor has a much better "chance!!!!""   Seconding the thought,   TC -    
(back) Subject: Re: Locked Consoles and Limited Access From: Brent Johnson <bmjohns@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:04:02 -0500   OK, here's one that's strange. An organist friend was participating in the wedding of his music director at a large church in Dallas (not the church they work for), and therefore needed me to provide the music. Apparently, the organist at this church charged a fee to show guest organists how to play their organ. Despite both the other organist and music director's connections to the large church (both were once music directors there) they were unable to get around the fee, and were forced to use a resident organist at this church. Is this common? Is this just how disgruntled old organists get work at their own churches? Strange. Brent Johnson http://home.swbell.net/bmjohns     W. Scarboro wrote:   > I keep the Allen at church locked up when I am not there. I > agree that with permission any visiting organists can come and play the > organ. ( Don't all rush over right now!! I haven't had a single visitor > yet!) When I first became organist at my church I did not lock it and had > a suprise when I returned from vacation. The Vacation Bible School had > been going on and when I returned I found the organ on but unplugged, > stops down, and the crescendo pedal at full! From that time on I have > locked the organ for its own safety and posted a sign to keep people from > unpugging it. I have in years since that used the organ with VBS and give > the kids a chance to play it. I will do the same thing this year. > Anyone with an Allen knows that if you have a key to your organ you have a > key to every organ they make! > > I also know that if you ask ahead of time most organists are > willing to let you play their organs. Because of my asking I have had the > chance to play a few interesting organs such as the largest digital organ > in the world at First Baptist in Jacksonville, Florida; and the Mormon > Tabernacle. (Ok, so I didn't play the A-S but I was allowed to look at > the console close-up.) > > Sincerely, > > Will "Please Visit!" Scarboro > > **************************************************** > Will Scarboro, Organ Historian (In Training) > Organist, Pineda Presbyterian Church, > Melbourne, Florida U.S.A > 1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow > Municipal Organ Research Project > **************************************************** > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: DARN! From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:32:42 -0500   Kevin -   When you get older and a tad more mature, you will understand why organs get locked. Wait until you serve a church that can't afford organ repairs - maybe they had to get a new roof, or they're just finishing adding a wing to the building - and some kid comes in and snaps off stop tabs, just for fun. Then you'll wish the organ had a lock on it.   Our church's sanctuary is kept open during the day for those who wish to come inside and meditate or pray. But the organ is kept locked so that it will continue to function for the congregation when it is needed. If you want to play the organ, either see me immediately after a service to make arrangements, or call me and we can set up something. The Minister of Music is usually in his office 9-5 during the week, and he can also unlock the organ for you.   The point of this policy is that a responsible member of the church staff wants to meet you, to tell you about the organ and its care, and to make you feel welcome to return time and again. Leaving an organ open at all times is the height of snobbery - it is as if you are saying "Who cares what happens to it? We'll just buy another one when this one gets ruined!" Yeah, sure.   After nearly 3 years of ownership of this instrument, I am happy to report that there are no cigarette burns on the keys, no Coke-can rings on the wooden shelves on either side of the manuals, and no chips from the corners of the console's oak cabinet. There is a little dust on top because the sexton is too short to see the console's top (the console is on a raised wheeled platform), but I take care of that myself from time to time.   We have never refused to allow somebody to play the organ provided they met with us first. We do, however, have a list of people forbidden under any circumstance to play the instrument, and that list consists of one person, an organist from another church who, like the fable's "dog in the manger", refused to let me play the organ at her church for a wedding that she backed out of playing for at the last minute. The very disappointed bride had to bring in tape recordings of the music she wanted to hear. If you ask me, that's carrying policies just a bit too far!   \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Re: Stars & Stripes For 4 Hands From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:15:36 -0500   Sorry this is so late in coming, but my music was not where I thought I had last left it and I had to really look for it.   Also apologies for my poor memory. The piece is an arrangement by E Power Biggs, and instead of being for 4 hands, it's really a solo, but when the piccolo obbligato first enters, a second organist can play it on a separate manual. If you prefer, a piccolo-player (piccolist?) can play it instead. If you are more skillful than I am, you can do this section solo, too, but the left hand part looks like you need more than 5 fingers while the right hand is piccolo-ing away.   Besides, doesn't a piece like S&SF deserve a special presentation, like one for two players? In the past, I have had assistants stand by the organ waving American flags, and then while they're waiting for their piccolo part, they perform various kinds of calisthenics and finger exercises that the departing congregation can see - I never play this piece during a service, but only as a postlude, of course!   \/\/\  
(back) Subject: Re: The Dark Truths Behind Kevin's Thwarted Organ Access From: Jim H <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:27:40 -0500   Prestant16@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-05-28 12:18:48 EDT, you write: > > << > A locked console tells me that the organist is probably a perfectionist, if > > > > We also have another organ in the lower church which HAD a locked top > ( > repairing the organ slowly, actually I am fixing the locking top first. > > "He who locks the top is PERFECTLY smart" > Precisely why the organ at my church is kept locked. All 3 organists have keys and their is one available in the office for visitors.   I recently found 3 young people who had skipped Sunday School. One was sitting at the Kurtzweil and 2 on the organ. They were scuffing their feet on the pedal board frame. We now are installing a lock on the door to the organ loft.   Sad because I had much rather leave them open. Unfortunately, our children are not taught the value of church propertly.   Jim H. > I am hoping this like this are a rare case. If it were up to me and I could > trust EVERYONE I would leave the church open and have an "open console" 24 > hrs. a day for 365 days a year. > > -W > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: New Email list From: Beau Surratt <beaupiano@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:51:36 -0500   Hello All, I am not the least bit worried about the support that my list gets. That is NOT the point, but af anyone would wish to subscribe to the church organist list, I would be GLAD for them to.   Beau Beau Surratt beaupiano@earthlink.net Organist, Bemis United Methodist Church Student, South Side High School    
(back) Subject: Re: DARN! From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:50:14 -0500   Vernon Moeller wrote: > > Kevin - > > When you get older and a tad more mature, you will understand why organs > get locked.   Don't get me wrong here. I just woke up, so excuse any big errors here, but I know perfectly well why organs are locked. It does seem like some of you have to put up with the congregational members of the local asylum, but I still know why they are locked. On top of our sanctuary being locked all day, so is the organ. It stays locked, and the mahogany console is in perfect condition. However, everyone knows where the key is unless they are visiting from out of town. Then, they can only get into the sanctuary to play the organ if they talk to someone who knows where all the keys are anyway.   We welcome people on our organ, as long as they, like someone else says, plays it, and not plays with it. The only 24 hour unlocked console I know of in the entire town is on a residence organ. But, our church is the only church who uses the lock, the others just roll the top down and that is all.   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com      
(back) Subject: Re: New Email list From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:13:28 -0400   At 10:51 AM 5/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hello All, > I am not the least bit worried about the support that my list gets.   One would think that Beau would realize that the "support" a list gets obviously has the most direct influence on whether it either succeeds or fades into obscurity---which it is most likely to do given the number of other established lists currently operating.   If I began a list, I would be DESPERATE for support I think!   djb    
(back) Subject: Re: New Email list From: Beau Surratt <beaupiano@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:12:17 -0500   Hello What are the addresses for some of those lists? Beau Surratt beaupiano@earthlink.net Organist, Bemis United Methodist Church Student, South Side High School    
(back) Subject: Re: Locked Consoles and Limited Access From: <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:55:26 EDT   As the head teacher at my school in Japan I was responsible for keeping equipment (be it books, musical instruments, or even toilet seat covers) in good condition.   I found that when you allow free "self service" access to anything, its an open invitation for abuse - - atleast in the eys of some people.   My policy with music instruments was keep them "covered" (excellent symbol) but allow free access with permission. This reminds the user that its not "public domain" and that he/she is responsible for it while it is being used. It also sends out the message that music instruments are to be respected. Total free access sometimes sends out the message that the item in question is for "kicking around".   I also found out that in the case of the piano we had, by creating a "sign-up" system, it actually encouraged students to reserve time on it. Prior, every once and a while, a student would come by and bang it, but basically it went neglected except for during assemblies. When the sign up system evolved, some students who didn't have pianos at home, would actually sign up regularly to practise. When I wanted to get the piano tuned, I was also able to use the sign-up log to show how important the piano was to the students. (Prior to my tenure, it had gone years and years without a tuning...) The sign up sheet also reminded other teachers and the secretaries of their duty to look after this important piece of school property.   This advice, I hope would be particularly useful to churches, schools and institutions that, in addition to their main organ, might have several smaller electronic organs and pianos not in use, currently enduring every abuse under the sun yet are still *pardon the pun* redeemable. - - Ed  
(back) Subject: Re: New Email list From: <KZimme7737@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:08:10 EDT   I applaud Beau's efforts. Let's be a little encouraging - whether or not we plan to subscribe to it.   If it fails, he will learn from it, and, hopefully, we will resist the instinct to rub his nose into it.   Anyway, let's certainly not try to rub it in prospectively.   Good luck Keith  
(back) Subject: Re: Apology: Viagra From: <KZimme7737@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:22:58 EDT   Forgive me for posting to both lists, but I don't remember on which list the Viagra thread started.   I can't help but feel a little bit guilty, but I think I started the thread with my response to the original "Bach & Viagra" posting that described a way to play a particularly boring piece by Bach.   Being a physician who has been approached by patients about this drug - along with all the jokes that keep coming up - I thought my organ analogy to be somewhat cute - albeit in poor taste. I think I even had on my "W.W.J.D." bracelet as I typed it. Since I can type without looking at my hands I was not admonished by the symbol.   I'll try to be a better example   Keith Zimmerman, M.D. Commerce, Georgia  
(back) Subject: small organ society From: JENNY MOON <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:07:49 BST     Hi all.   I took my vintage car to a static rally this weekend (which I do on all weekends throughout the summer) in North Yorkshire, UK. Much to my amazement, when we arrived we found a very interesting side show to the left of the rally field. It was a group of about 40 people who called themselves 'The Small Organ Society'. They were a group of amature organ builders who each had on display a small organ which they had built. They ranged from very small, one stop, single octave organs, which worked but were clearly only built to demonstrate the workings of a pipe organ, up to small three manual organs of about 20 stops. However, there was an organ that sat on the back of a wagon, which you would normally expect to see carrying bricks, That was a four manual 'Walcker', an early German firm. It had about 5 stops per manual. It had been reduced by it's owner so that it could be placed on his truck and moved around. It was quite an amazing sight.   I was told by the owner that this organ had been built with it's wind supplied by 'water blowing equipment'. When I asked for more information I was given a vague reply, and I'm not really any the wiser.   Does anybody know anything about 'water blowing equipment'? As far as I knew early organs relied on hand pumping.   Is this water system still used by any modern builders, or was it a progression to the electric blowing systems that we know now. # Thanks for your help.   Jen.   PS. I have since discovered that this organ society is a branch of the static engine society which we see quite frequently at Vintage car shows. The organ building part was apparently started by an ex-organ builder who retired from the trade to take up farming in the hope of earning more cash!!      
(back) Subject: Re: "On the fly" From: Robert Horton <r-horton@nwu.edu> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:17:19 -0500   At 04:00 AM 5/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >Regarding 32 zillion registrations in memory and being sacred, is no one >taught to register ahead of each composition,,and to change on the fly >anymore? I certainly never have had any problem doing that on as large as 3/65 >or so.   I do it all the time on IV/100! At Millar Chapel we have a separate computer with disk storage for student registrations. The darn thing is a dinosaur (Mac SE) and sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth to use it, so I just do my registering by hand. Regarding your opening lament, I agree wholeheartedly. One of my teachers relayed a story about one of his past organ scholars. This student held a M.Mus. from a prestigious (but nameless) conservatory, and had never once touched a divisional piston while playing. Adding and subtracting stops "on the fly" is a dying art Anybody remember some of Lemare's registration exercises? Draw one stop and couple it to the pedals. Start playing a hymn with one hand (condensing inner voices when necessary) and change the registration every beat! (don't try this on Sunday)     Robert Horton, Organ Scholar, Northwestern University 1726 1/2 Sherman Avenue, Evanston, IL tel.847.424.1733 http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~rch507/index.html   "Pursue thy conquest, love; her eyes confess the flame her tongue denies." - Henry Purcell "Dido and Aeneas"  
(back) Subject: From: JENNY MOON <bfus7@central.susx.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:25:07 BST     Hi.   Theres a new list if anyones interested.   'Organ builder'. A list for dicussing all areas of organ building.   Its at http://www.onelist.com   Click on music, and then instruments and your there. No nasty comments please, I am just making you aware of it!!   Jen.      
(back) Subject: RETRACTION/AMEND/CLARIFICATION From: <TonyIn219@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:28:08 EDT   I'm want to apologize to pipechatters for my outburst on tattooed church= =0Aorganists. I didn't mean to ruffle feathers.   I don't know what came over me. When I read Kevin's post about locked=0Ac= onsoles, I remembered a couple of times when I was a kid when overprotect= ive=0Aorganists treated my respectful interest/curiosity in their console= the same=0Away as you or I would treat a butcher eyeing the family pet.   I think that my post may have been construed as being insensitive, may ha= ve=0Adisregarded the feelings and vulnerabilities of list members, and ma= y have=0Abeen inconsiderate. For that I am truly sorry.   Although I felt that I stayed within my 1st Amendment rights, I probably= =0Aexceeded pipechat's guidelines on good taste. Therefore, I thought I'd= clarify=0Amy views to the list -- without being asked to -- before pipec= hat powers-that-=0Abe take a nice big tibia and paddle me where the sun d= on't shine.   As of today, I will limit my posts to concert announcements, light humor,= =0Areviews of recent regional events, and updates on theatre organ record= ings=0Aand/or concerts featuring either me, my lovely prot=E9g=E9e, Miss = Dessa Crawford,=0Aor her understudy, Miss Dolly Barton.   I'll leave anything that has to do with churches or church organists out = my=0Acontributions. I obviously have nothing of value or substance to con= tribute.   So I hope you will all forgive me for my brash outburst and allow me and = my=0ALowrey to continue absorbing the abundant collective wisdom of the g= roup.     John Carrington Chesterton, Indiana    
(back) Subject: Re: From: Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:59:28 -0700   Hi Jen!   Thanks!! With all of these new lists popping up like weeds, methinks we're all going to need a secretary to sort through the abundance of information! Now .. where'd I stash that Delete key?? (I'm only kidding.)   ummm .. Nasty comments?? Moi?? ;) Never! heh ;0)   Ron Yost, Paso Robles, Calif.   At 07:25 7:24 PM 5/29/98 BST, you wrote: > >Hi. > >Theres a new list if anyones interested. > >'Organ builder'. A list for dicussing all areas of organ building. > >Its at http://www.onelist.com > >Click on music, and then instruments and your there. > >No nasty comments please, I am just making you aware of it!! > >Jen.    
(back) Subject: Re: List-mania From: <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:53:30 EDT   Its really nice to see all the lists popping up... but thought I should comment, too many lists spoil the stew... I realize that some people might feel some off topic lists related to organs are needed... but if everyone has their own list, they should average about two members per list... I think alternative list masters should talk to each other and consolidate... There is also another well established list that covers some of the "misc." not covered by this list.   Anyone interested in joining my list on listmasters who want to start a new list can go to... nahhhhh... just kidding.   - Ed  
(back) Subject: Re: From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:06:41 -0400   Ah! But think about the exciting cross-posting possibilities for some of the sanctimonious drivel that has reappeared as of late!   Stan Lowkis   Ron Yost wrote: > > Hi Jen! > > Thanks!! With all of these new lists popping up like weeds, methinks > we're all going to need a secretary to sort through the abundance > of information! Now .. where'd I stash that Delete key?? (I'm > only kidding.) > > ummm .. > Nasty comments?? Moi?? ;) Never! heh ;0) > > Ron Yost, Paso Robles, Calif. > > At 07:25 7:24 PM 5/29/98 BST, you wrote: > > > >Hi. > > > >Theres a new list if anyones interested. > > > >'Organ builder'. A list for dicussing all areas of organ building. > > > >Its at http://www.onelist.com > > > >Click on music, and then instruments and your there. > > > >No nasty comments please, I am just making you aware of it!! > > > >Jen.  
(back) Subject: Re: Locked Consoles and Limited Access From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:43:43 -0400   In my parish we allow visiting organists or pianists, etc., for weddings, but I am paid a fee (half the usual) for supervising/hosting the visitor and the use of the church's organ, piano or sound equipment. If the visitor is someone who is acquainted with the organ, etc., or does not need to use it, then I waive the fee since I do not have to be there. It was customary years ago to pay the organists usual fee for weddings when visiting because weddings and funerals were considered part of the salary package.   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: DARN! From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:47:10 -0400   I'm older, and I understand why organs are locked but I still don't like it. Ours has no rolltop and the key switches have been changed to a (gasp) light switch. I did leave the key switches in place (and the new switch is 'out of sight') so that when someone I don't like wants to use the organ I smile reeeeeeeeal big, hand then the key, and say, "Here's the key, enjoy!" heh heh heh   Crusty J. Curmudgeon, MMus, DDdD, SoB   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: New Email list From: "Peggy C. Bie" <peggyb@gate.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:51:49 -0400   To Beau Surratt:   Beau, I would love to sign up for your list, but I lost the address. Could you send it again please? Thanks,   Rev. Peggy C. Bie "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." -Anais Nin http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/1095