PipeChat Digest #397 - Saturday, May 30, 1998
 
Re: small FernFlute society
  by <sohmer@juno.com>
Re: Wedding Approvals
  by <sohmer@juno.com>
Re: Wedding Fees
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Organists as moral leaders
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: DARN!
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Organists as moral leaders
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Organists as moral leaders
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Wedding Fees
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Organists as moral leaders
  by "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net>
Re: Water Motors
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
The # sign
  by "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net>
Re: The # sign
  by "Peggy C. Bie" <peggyb@gate.net>
Re: Water Motors
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: The # sign
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Organists as moral leaders
  by <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
NICHOLAS MARTIN...
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net>
Re: Organists as moral leaders
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Wedding Fees
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
Re: The # sign
  by "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net>
Re: Organists as moral leaders[!] (was: Viagra)
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Water Motors
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Orientation Fees?
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Water Motors
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Organists as moral leaders[!] (was: Viagra)
  by "Ruth  Bird" <theraven@istar.ca>
 


(back) Subject: Re: small FernFlute society From: sohmer@juno.com Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 13:04:29 -0400     On Sat, 30 May 1998 04:14:00 -0700 Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> writes: >sohmer@juno.com wrote: >> ... >> from what the then organist, Viola ... > >Ah, Viola-- reminds me of one of my first girlfriends... sigh. > >> the organ was a bit of a dog, but fun, anyway... > >Sounds like an opening for cremona84000 here. > >> with its FernFlute on the great... > >As I recall from my last delve into the German-Englische dictionary, >"fern" has to do with distant or remote. Did the FernFlute have a >distant, echo-ey quality to it? >(And am I forgiven for preferring German chorale titles untranslated?) > Not this FernFlute ---it was close up and Rohring away!!!!1   But you are forgiven, nonetheless... Steve     > >-- >Mac Hayes >mach37@ptw.com >Cogito per aspera > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Approvals From: sohmer@juno.com Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 13:00:56 -0400   Greg Homza's rebuttal to ComposerTX shows that what we have here is clearly a failure to communicate.   Each church has its own policies for weddings, visiting musicians and visiting clergy. There's room for discussion here, but, I think Greg's response is out of line. One of the roles of music minister is also to protect the interests of the congregation and staff. If others can't appreciate that, then that is their problem.   Each congregation and denomination also determines the roles of weddings in the life of the congregation - whether they be ceremonies, worship services, etc. While we may disagree with their viewpoints and decisions, our criticism should at least be constructive. What we have been given here is, I think, a destructive diatribe.   Even in the small community where I play, visiting organists for weddings pass by me for my approval. It's just a matter of respect given to a musician by another musician. Rarely have I ever said that someone could not play.... I've worked things through even with Susie Pedalthumpers - they might play pre-service and I play the rest, or whatever. But others who feel they can just bump me from the bench need not worry that I will feel outplayed - my ego doesn't need stroked that badly.....   We have to educate educate educate, even at weddings and funerals - however minimal the educate is - whether just a short sentence or a booklet printed out, part of the role of the church is to educate as well as to preach....   Let's communicate not berate....   Steve Ohmer On Sat, 30 May 1998 04:30:50 -0500 (EST) Greg <homza@indiana.edu> writes: >On Fri, 29 May 1998 ComposerTX@aol.com wrote: > >> At my church, we charge a consultation fee of $75 for any couple who >decides >> to NOT use me to play either piano and/or organ for a service that >DOES >> require music. If another organist/pianist or Aunt Maude plays, I >approve them >> upon hearing them play, and my fee is $75. > >But what if Aunt Maude, D.M.A., FAGO, has a degree in music? Is it >still >necessary that the couple (who likely have plenty of other expenses to >worry about) pay this ridiculous fee? > >> If they use a string quartet or a solo flautist or a visiting choir, >I >> approve them upon hearing them perform, and my fee is $75. > >But by having to perform for you to get your "approval," a string >quartet, >or solo flautist, or visiting choir would likely also have to be paid >for >the time it takes to play for you. Again, how is this fair to the >people >who are paying the bills? > >> Having a consultation with each couple assures that the music >presented >> in the marriage mass is of equal quality to the other music in >> other masses. > >Wait a minute...first of all, isn't "Mass" written with a capital "M?" > >Secondly, how is this "consultation" worth anything *near* $75, and >furthermore, what is the point of you "consulting" with them at all? >Shouldn't this be left up to the couple and the person who will >ultimately >be performing the music? Are your clergy so clueless that they >wouldn't >be able to tell a couple or musician what's appropriate and what's >not? >Presumably not, so...why do you even have to be involved? Pardon me >for >saying so, but to me, the above statement sounds sorta like, "I don't >want >someone who can play rings around me sitting on my bench, or else I'll >look incompetent." Granted, this may not be your intent, but I'm just >calling it as I see it. I'm not sure what level of musical "quality" >you >presume exists at your church, but (again, just to me) it seems >awfully >presumptuous of you to assume that Aunt Maude is automatically a bad >player, just because you don't know her -- and equally ludicrous that >someone should have to fork out $75 to get your "approval" for her to >play. > >Man, what's up with that? I just hope no friends of mine decide to >get >married at your church...and moreso, I hope that no friends of yours >decide to get married in mine! ($$$ch-ching$$$) > >-greg homza >Bloomington, IN (where the alcohol flows like a river after tonight's >Pacer's victory...but only because we have to fool ourselves into >thinking >that the Hoosiers did as well this season...) > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Fees From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 08:54:43 -0400   I do get a bench fee when outside organists play for weddings and funerals at my church, which I consider to be reasonable. I can't quite see justifying a bench fee when the organ is not used, though.   Paul > >> If they use a string quartet or a solo flautist or a visiting choir, I >> approve them upon hearing them perform, and my fee is $75. >   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: Organists as moral leaders From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:28:58 -0500 (CDT)   I hope that Ministers of Music will be committed Chrisytians and moral leaders, but there are other religious requirements of them which hold true even for non-believers if they are to do a professional job. There are in fact many things required of church organists that are not taught in secular music courses, at least so far as relates to what is required in a "liturgical" church such as the Roman Catholic, Lutheran and Episcopalian Churches. Organists therefore need special training to be able to play in church. They need to understand the lectionary and the liturgical seasons and to be able to choose music suitable to the season and to complement the Old Testament, Epistle and Gospel readings. In the Episcopal Church organists need to be able to accompany Anglican Chant, something that is quite difficult and very few musicians can do these days. It also helps if Ministers of Music have enough expertise in liturgics and theology to be able to help the choir to understand the structure of the services and to see the music they are doing within its proper religious context. For this reason it is a pity that more church musicians do not do Master of Sacred Music degrees, such as used to be offered by the Union Theological Seminary in New York (though now, alas, no longer), or is currently offered by the Institute of Sacred Music at Yale University. Here in St. Louis, Eden Theological Seminary (U.C.C.) has recently started offering such a course in conjunction with Webster University, but so far the response has been rather disappointing. It is possible to pick up what you need to know without doing a special college course, but in my experience most musicians who manage to do this have been life-long members of their denomination, and it is not something that can be done over night without special training.   John    
(back) Subject: Re: DARN! From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:35:00   At 10:50 05/29/98 -0500, you wrote:   >We welcome people on our organ, as long as they, like someone else says, >plays it, and not plays with it. The only 24 hour unlocked console I >know of in the entire town is on a residence organ. But, our church is >the only church who uses the lock, the others just roll the top down and >that is all.     Our console is in the chancel, in a generally unlocked sanctuary. Security has never been a problem. When there are visiting groups to the church in the evenings, the sanctuary gets locked. For example, our youth sponsored a dance in the parish hall to benefit AIDS. (Our popular organist died of AIDS last June, so this issue is near and dear to their hearts.) Since the dance was open to community kids as well, the sanctuary was locked.   Also, about VBS kidlets: We used to have our devotional time in the sanctuary. It was awful. The little kids just didn't know how to behave in a sanctuary. At the same time, nothing was done in the chancel, so the kids didn't even think to go up there.   Weddings are another story. We had a rehearsal (sometimes I'm glad I have to be at those things) with a wedding party that included two young ring bearers. Cute as a button, they were, until after the rehearsal. They got up into the pulpit. Now, we have these tiny microphones in the pulpit and the lectern. The little eager hands yanked the mic holder down to their level. The other one pulled off the little foam cover that was over the mic. I asked nicely, "Please don't do that." Then, when it appeared they didn't hear me or were ignoring me, it became a command, "PLEASE DON'T DO THAT!!!" Finally, the mother, "huh what?", emerged and got her kids out of there. My thought the whole time was "WHERE is their mother?!?" Needless to say, there was one very huffy and annoyed member of the visiting bridal party (the only connection this wedding had to our church was that the groom's father was a member).   I have also seen preschoolers pulling up flowers outside that our volunteer landscape committee have planted.... I have seen preschoolers run wild over our newly planted and mowed lawns.... And I have seen lack of respect in other areas of society as well.   Parents are not teaching their kids respect. It's a fact of this generation, by the looks of it. Therefore, it DOES make it our responsibility, then, to take action to be sure these gremlins do NOT damage things that are not theirs, most importantly a musical instrument they see either as a toy or as a coffee table. While education is indeed important, the instrument and things important, dear, and expensive must be protected until they *are* educated.   And Kevin, know that this type of policy must be full and complete. I applaud the lady that wouldn't let you (or anybody) play. It was not up to her to say who gets to play the organ. We run into this too often in our churches any more, where authority is overturned by some well-meaning volunteer or staff member who didn't set the policy in the first place. The policy for that church was in place, and she upheld it. Good for her. Meantime, it *is* wise to phone ahead of time and make arrangements. If this is an organ you would like to try, do that. And take the time to mess around with it, get to know it, instead of the cursory look-through you would have had that night.   Just my two bits for the day. :)   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists as moral leaders From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 13:10:26   At 22:57 05/29/98 -0400, you wrote:   >If I hear an organist on a theatre organ in a hall, I certainly do not >expect them to be holy and dignified. However, those are characteristics >that are expected of those who play in a holy place.     A good friend of mine who is Jewish made quite a living for himself in a Methodist church. Was very good at it, too. The church loved him. Another friend plays in a Lutheran church..... as well as a leading synagogue.   For some church musicians, it's a job, just like going to the office. In our search for musicians for our church (we've had a lot of changes in the past year), one of the components is that they be Christian and have a theology that is at least close to that of the church's congregation. As church leaders, we expect them to behave in a way (in public, anyway) that is consistent with what most people perceive as appropriate.   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists as moral leaders From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 13:13:20   At 23:14 05/29/98 -0400, Dan wrote:   >it's just to reinforce >that playing an organ in some place OTHER than church is just as important >AND dignified.     Professionalism is important no matter what field we're in.   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Fees From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 13:16:58   At 04:30 05/30/98 -0500, you wrote:   >But what if Aunt Maude, D.M.A., FAGO, has a degree in music? Is it still >necessary that the couple (who likely have plenty of other expenses to >worry about) pay this ridiculous fee?     If she's FAGO, prolly a different story. But even a DMA doesn't guarantee a knowledgeable organist. The DMA could be in composition... or conducting.... or flute performance.... or voice.... or maybe even PIANO! <<giggle>>   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Organists as moral leaders From: Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:46:48 -0700   No offense, Shirley .. but I'm wondering if your policy is .. uh .. legal?? Sounds like discrimination to me??? Not trying to raise a fuss here, but I am curious. Where's GLENDA when we need her!!! :)   In all sincerity, (** couple of huggs ** if I hurt your feelings. :) Ron Yost, Paso Robles, Calif.   At 01:10 7:24 PM 5/30/98, you wrote: >At 22:57 05/29/98 -0400, you wrote: > >>If I hear an organist on a theatre organ in a hall, I certainly do not >>expect them to be holy and dignified. However, those are characteristics >>that are expected of those who play in a holy place. > > >A good friend of mine who is Jewish made quite a living for himself in a >Methodist church. Was very good at it, too. The church loved him. >Another friend plays in a Lutheran church..... as well as a leading synagogue. > >For some church musicians, it's a job, just like going to the office. In >our search for musicians for our church (we've had a lot of changes in the >past year), one of the components is that they be Christian and have a >theology that is at least close to that of the church's congregation. As >church leaders, we expect them to behave in a way (in public, anyway) that >is consistent with what most people perceive as appropriate. > > --Shirley    
(back) Subject: Re: Water Motors From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:44:21 -0400   Judy A. Ollikkala wrote: > > I remember seeing an organ run on a water motor (set up for us) at the OHS > Convention in a small town in Michigan. The pump was out on the sidewalk > and the water running down the street! >     !!You mean that wasn't the Conventioneers' "Porto-Potty"!? I am so DREADFULLY sorry!   With a red face, Stan  
(back) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?The_=A3_sign?= From: Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:57:57 -0700   For those who have Windows systems, the Pound sign is:   Alt + 0163 =3D =A3   Hold down the Alt key and type 0163 on your keypad .. on the right-hand end of the keyboard. Won't work using the 'regular' numerals on top, for some reason. :) (Not sure if it works with WebTV?? Brucie??)   We have a yen key too, but I don't have a yen to get into that right now. ;0)   And .. to repay your sweet message of last night, Goodnight Jenny Moon .. sleep well. And please save a pint for me down at the local!   Ron Yost, Paso Robles, Calif.  
(back) Subject: Re: The £ sign From: "Peggy C. Bie" <peggyb@gate.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:05:32 -0400   Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net> wrote: > For those who have Windows systems, the Pound sign is: >=20 > Alt + 0163 =3D =A3 >=20 > Hold down the Alt key and type 0163 on your keypad .. on > the right-hand end of the keyboard. Won't work using the > 'regular' numerals on top, for some reason. :)=20   "=A3" - I did it! Hurrah for your information. Now, I would especially = like to learn how to make one of those nice crosses that can go before a bishop's= name or after a priest's name, rather than using a plus sign +. Is there some place one can go to find out what is available - a list or something (with the secret codes).   Rev. Peggy C. Bie (who is entirely self taught on the computer) "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." -Anais Nin=20 http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/1095  
(back) Subject: Re: Water Motors From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:40:55 -0400   actually what Judy saw at the MichiganOHS convention was a demonstration of a water motor. Twern't hooked up ta nuttin! However, this year we will hear Jane Edge (!!!!!!) play on an instrument with wind supplied by a real-live functioning water mower. Geez. I wonder what goodies she has in store for us this year. i would personally supply air through a Dixie straw for Jane to play a recital, or should I say "do" a recital. It seldom is just organ music ..... Remember the scarves in Baltimore??? (i think)   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_The_=A3_sign?= From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:43:55 -0400   Ron, on WebTV we use the same pound sign as the telephone company: #   Or if one is really olde fashioned one can actually spell it out " p o u n d "   werkzfermee!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Organists as moral leaders From: <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:01:54 EDT   In a message dated 98-05-29 22:58:51 EDT, Ruth Bird wrote: << Just out of curiosity..... Why would anyone want to have an education in "Religious" music, then want to play in a church... if they do not believe in that church, or religion in the first place. Why not study for an other area of music???? >>   Ruth, speaking only for myself, I disagree. One can have a heart for ministry, and at the same time approach church music as a *profession.*   In my almost 30-year career, I've served at everything from a small Church of the Nazarene congregation, to a large Unitarian-Universalist one--and everything in between!   I, personally, am a liberal Lutheran. Should I limit myself to churches of that description? As a music professional, I don't believe so.   Sincerely, Bill Miller, First Presbyterian Church, Trenton NJ  
(back) Subject: NICHOLAS MARTIN... From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:15:35 -0400   the extraordinary theatre organ showman from Great Britain will be presented in concert, one appearance only - Saturday, August 1 at 2 p.m. in the Kirk Of Dunedin, 2686 Bayshore Boulevard in Dunedin, Florida. All seating is reserved - admission is $8.00 - call 813-733-KIRK for reservations.   This will be the third special summer concert by this popular organist. The concerts are always sold out - so, if you're coming to Florida for a visit - or if you're nearby - don't miss it! He is a crowd pleaser, well known to the Kirks audiences, having played twenty four concerts on the regular series. He puts the 4/100 thru its paces - especially with its two grand pianos at each side of the console.   Coming Events: mark calendars for next January 8 and 9 - something REALLY extra special is coming to the Kirk. As arrangements are completed, we'll post details.   The Organ Chambers of Commerce invite you to come to Florida, hear its best kept organ secret~!   TC    
(back) Subject: Re: Organists as moral leaders From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:33:58 -0400   Having played in various denominations from Southern Baptist to RC, I think it is not only fun but additional and very necessary training to have experienced different styles and theologies of worship. After all, in my present RC position, I meet people every day in the parish who are from other backgrounds, and it really helps to be able to relate to them with understanding and experience.   Besides, in considering a church job there is that little sign that one must look for.....   THE DOLLAR SIGN!!!!   Blessings and blessings and bleeeeessssings on alloyawl. Whooooooof!   (oh gee, it's time to go back for 6pm Sat!) Bruce, settling down.....   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Fees From: Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:45:42 -0700   pniki@firstavenue.com wrote: > ... no one would blink an eye > at paying that kind of fee for other professional services. > ... > 3) I have that provision in my contract - to be paid whether I play or not - > and use it as a job protection tool...     Here is a new field for insurance salesmen; Organ Music Insurance (Weddings and Funerals). Small monthly payments to cover, say, up to five weddings prior to age 60, one only after age 60. One (only) funeral, with perhaps a surcharge for up to two memorial services.   There might be double whammy available here-- insurance for both the organist, and the marriage-liable parties.   -- Mac Hayes mach37@ptw.com Cogito per aspera    
(back) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_The_=A3_sign?= From: Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:25:31 -0700   Thanks Bruce!   This kinda reminds me of the time I searched for the "#" sign to use for the 'sharp' notations on the front of pipes I was building .. C#, D#, etc. I wanted one of those 1/4"-high metal stamps which is struck with a hammer by hand. Anyhow, I kept asking the stamp maker company for the *number* sign and they had no *clue* what I meant!   Finally, an astute sales person asked "Do you mean the POUND sign?". The light dawned .. I got my stamp .. WAY overpriced tho .. about $25 as I recall. Oh well .. one lives and .... stamps on. :)   Ron Yost .. Pounding away in Paso Robles, Calif. :)   At 03:43 7:24 PM 5/30/98 -0400, you wrote: >Ron, >on WebTV we use the same pound sign as the telephone company: # > >Or if one is really olde fashioned one can actually spell it out " p o >u n d " > >werkzfermee! > >bruce o h s __________ a g o >cornely o o __________ o o    
(back) Subject: Re: Organists as moral leaders[!] (was: Viagra) From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 18:15:40 +0000   Ruth Bird wrote:   > And to think Bruce, Adam also blamed Eve. HMMMMMMM   Are you supporting the ordination of only women here, Ruth? (Adam=organists blaming Eve=clergy) Or, in this analogy, are the faithful Adam, the musicians Eve, and the clergy the Serpent? ( :   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Water Motors From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 17:33:51 -0500 (CDT)   At 03:40 PM 5/30/98 -0400, Bruce Cornely wrote: =20   >I would personally supply air through a Dixie straw for Jane [Edge] to >play a recital, or should I say "do" a recital. It seldom is just organ >music ..... Remember the scarves in Baltimore??? (I think)   Actually, I was one of Jane's assistants pulling the strings that caused the scarves to dance on this memorable occasion, and as I recall Joseph Fitzer was the other one. I especially liked the way Jane had us making the scarves take a bow at the end. Bruce's memory is not entirely correct since it was not at the Baltimore convention but at the Central Maine one of 1992. The organ was the delightful 1861 Geo. Stevens & Co. 2/18 tracker in the Congregational Church, Cumberland Center, Maine. The concert was given jointly by Jane Edge and Dana Hull, who as an organbuilder had also been responsible for restoring the instrument. The piece was of course C=E9cile Chaminade's well-known "Scarf Dance". Jane is quite a character. Jane Edge's CD (AFKA SK-536, available from OHS) is called "In Search of the Lost Chord", and has a picture on the front of her cat sitting on an organ bench. Perhaps this year she will have an *en chaminade* 3-rank Scarf stop to help with the performance.=20   John.      
(back) Subject: Re: Orientation Fees? From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 18:43:51 +0000   Oh dear! Were we supposed to pay orientation fees? Here I took one, and thought they were free!   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Water Motors From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:47:21 -0400   Well, that's what I get for not getting of my, er uh, couch and checking my convention booklets. I also remember the wonderful victorian service she did with "traditional" vocal production, anthems, hymns and organ music, not to mention costumes. This was in Kentucky (please God!!). And I still play the ragtime arrangement of The Palms! Can't wait to see what's in store this year.   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Organists as moral leaders[!] (was: Viagra) From: "Ruth Bird" <theraven@istar.ca> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:57:02 -0400   Actually, Ken, I don't believe in Women Clergy!! Now, how does that grab everyone?? :)   Ruth   -----Original Message----- From: mewzishn@spec.net <mewzishn@spec.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, May 30, 1998 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Organists as moral leaders[!] (was: Viagra)     >Ruth Bird wrote: > >> And to think Bruce, Adam also blamed Eve. HMMMMMMM > >Are you supporting the ordination of only women here, Ruth? (Adam=organists >blaming Eve=clergy) Or, in this analogy, are the faithful Adam, the >musicians Eve, and the clergy the Serpent? ( : > >Ken Sybesma > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >