PipeChat Digest #588 - Wednesday, November 11, 1998
 
Re: Non-Traditional Stops...
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Addresses
  by <douglas@blackiris.com>
Re: Addresses
  by <douglas@blackiris.com>
Book: The Amateur Organ-Builder
  by <jorge.gomez@nuclenor.es>
Re: Non-Traditional Stops...
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #587 - 11/10/98
  by "Scottish Theatre Organ Preservation Society" <mail@stops.org>
Re: Non-Traditional Stops...
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Non-Traditional Stops...
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Organ stuff reply
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Happy Clappy and non-taditional stops
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Scottish TO Society
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
fun
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Happy Clappy and non-taditional stops
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Console wind supply
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: Addresses
  by <JSRANDKLR@aol.com>
Non-traditional stops
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
tuned bottles
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Non-Traditional Stops...
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
Re: Non-Traditional Stops...
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: Non-Traditional Stops...
  by "bmjohns" <bmjohns@swbell.net>
Re: Non-Traditional Stops...
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Urgent - for sale
  by "Robert E. Dilworth" <redtos@voicenet.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Non-Traditional Stops... From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 06:00:13 -0600   >I've been thinking of having glass bottels filled with baby oil (to tune them) >and use it as an 8' oor 4' flute. Baby oil instead of water, which will >evaporate. >I would use the lead tubing like on tubular pnumatic organs, like H&H used on >their Pattented orchesteral flutes. >   The Peterson company had a "beer bottle" organ as part of their display at the recent AIO Conference in Champaign, IL. As I used stand it they used water in the bottles but topped it off with a bit of oil to keep the water from evaporating. I think I may have a photo of it somewhere if someone is interested.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Addresses From: douglas@blackiris.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 06:04:31 -0600   Hi Bud,   Here is the orgue-l info page. Read everything & you should be in good shape.   http://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/ORGUE-L/   If you are impatient, you can send a message to: http://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/ORGUE-L/ with a body of: subscribe orgue-l Your Full-Name   but if you do that, go back & read the rules before you post. it's a wonderful list of great folks, but they are VERY SERIOUS about their music & their list   For the Anglican Music List: send the one-line message   SUBSCRIBE Yourfirstname Yoursurname <youremailaddress> to=A0 Anglican-Music-Request@dragon.com   Best wishes!!!! ... Douglas   > Does anyone know the addresses for subscribing to Orgue-l and/or > Anglican Music (or something like that)? >      
(back) Subject: Re: Addresses From: douglas@blackiris.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 06:12:21 -0600   OOps!!   That subscribe message should be to: listproc@mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk   I didn't pay attention to my cut & paste buffer ;-)   > If you are impatient, you can send a message to: > http://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/ORGUE-L/ > with a body of: > subscribe orgue-l Your Full-Name      
(back) Subject: Book: The Amateur Organ-Builder From: <jorge.gomez@nuclenor.es> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 13:15:11 +0100       >Subject: Stalagtites, Stalagmites, Paper pipes, etc. >From: Bud <budchris@earthlink.net> >Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:33:10 -0800   >...   >"The Amateur Organ-Builder" by Wicks (no relation to the company, and I >may have the title wrong, but it's available from OHS) gives directions >on how to make paper pipes.   I think that this BOOK could be very interesting. How can I buy it?   Jorge        
(back) Subject: Re: Non-Traditional Stops... From: Adrianne Schutt <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:12:39 -0800   At 06:00 AM 11/10/98 -0600, David Scribner wrote: >The Peterson company had a "beer bottle" organ as part of their display at >the recent AIO Conference in Champaign, IL. As I used stand it they used >water in the bottles but topped it off with a bit of oil to keep the water >from evaporating. I think I may have a photo of it somewhere if someone is >interested. I'd love to see a picture if you can find it!   Have fun! Ad ;-> http://khyrstye.home.ml.org    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #587 - 11/10/98 From: "Scottish Theatre Organ Preservation Society" <mail@stops.org> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:49:51 -0000   Hi all   Tierce mixtures. =20   If its of any help at all - I have done a considerable amount of = research into mixtures by British organbuilders.   The 2 or more rank Sesquialtera adds a reedy tone to the flue chorus, = and historically, was used to 'bridge' between the flue chorus, and the = (thin toned) chorus reeds of the time. The 17th pitch (1,3/5 on the = manuals) must be carefully adjusted in volume, as it will ALWAYS produce = a reedy growl from the resultant sub harmonics generated. (Synthetic = voice makers are aware of the principal pitches used for producing a = clarinet or bassoon type tone - 1, 12, 17 - and if there is no 12th, the = 1 and 17 will do nicely, thank you!!)   The tierce is usually incorporated in to a (swell) mixture to help bind = the flue tone to the chorus reed tone, and has been especially favoured = by the English school of organbuilding, thus creating the 'traditional' = 'English full swell' of 16' reed (waldhorn, contra hautbois, or contra = fagotto (the latter being smooth voiced like an oboe, not bright like a = trumpet), 8' trumpet of brilliant tone, and 4' clarion, (of less = brilliance than the trumpet), and a 4 or 5 rank mixture, the CC of which = would be typically (12) 15, 17, 19, 22, although some builders of large = instruments favoured the 17, 19, 22, 26, 29 - it all depended on what = brilliance was required in the building.   I suspect that people like G Donald Harrison and Vincent Willis probably = imported the idea to the USA along with their 'English' school of = voicing......   On the Swell, the multi-rank Sesquialtera or Chorus mixture with a 17th = should only be used with the reed chorus to bind the reeds to the flues, = under which circumstances the presence of a major third amongst other = possible minor thirds is irrelevant. It is interesting, that the = popularity of the English Full Swell (incorporating the 17th) was only = fully developed AFTER equal temperament tuning had been universally (in = Europe anyway) adopted as the standard.   Nowadays, the 2 rank 12 - 17 mixture is more usually named 'Sext', and = the stop is incorporated when the 15th, 19th, and 22nd are available as = individual pitches, or the 19th and 22nd may be there as a further 2 = rank mixture, viz, 'Quartane' (latin - fourth), to give a bit more = flexibility in a small instrument.   Another typical mixture incorporates the flattened 21st, and is found on = British Great organs. A mixture incorporating this pitch is usually = called simply 'harmonics' or 'harmonic chorus', and a typical mixture = would be 17, 19, b21, 22, and would normally ONLY be used with the full = reed chorus drawn as well.   A mixture used to add brilliance to the flue chorus (either 'diapason' = or 'principal' type tone or flute tone) should only comprise harmonics = of the fundamental and fifth pitches, following the natural sequence of = harmonics, viz, sub octave, sub quint, unison, 5th, octave, 12, 15, 19, = 22, 26, 29, 33, 36, 40. The 'pitch' of the mixture will depend on the = pitch of principal it is to be used with, except in extremely 'grand' = instruments, where something like a 10 rank chorus mixture may be found, = which starts with the sub octave ( Liverpool Cathedral, etc), and on its = own, is a complete diapason chorus (with a bourdon as the sub octave) up = to the 26th.   Any help at all??   Larry          
(back) Subject: Re: Non-Traditional Stops... From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:33:18 EST   Hi list----   David,,,regards the Petersen beer bottle organ,, I too would love to see a picture if you come accross it....   Thanks   Roc GRSCoLVR@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Non-Traditional Stops... From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:52:45 -0700     >David,,,regards the Petersen beer bottle organ,, I too would love to see a >picture if you come accross it....     Imagine the wild time they must have had building that rank!   "Hey, Sam . . . bring another six pack -- let's make it a III rank mixture!"   Dennis      
(back) Subject: Organ stuff reply From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 04:43:39 -0500   Does the person have an e-mail address? I would be interested in the console and bench, Gross Flute, Vox Humana, Swell engine, and Chrysloglott (sp?)   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ Worship Chairperson, Organ Curator, | \ organist, choir director, director of music, O and janitor at Bethany U.M. Church, Watertown, NY   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Happy Clappy and non-taditional stops From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 05:01:29 -0500   Just think about how a badly voiced 16', fractional lenghth reed, an 8' solo regal, badly voiced, and few out of tuned string/flute ranks, a 4' out of tune fugara rank, and a couple 16', UO, and 4' couplers, etc... would sound accompanying those "happy clappy" *songs* because the only piano in the building just happended to break suddenly when a *student* happened to be practicing.   he he he he he he he he   I just knew the two subjects could be combined somehow, but now I'll just shut-up.   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ Worship Chairperson, Organ Curator, | \ organist, choir director, director of music, O and janitor at Bethany U.M. Church, Watertown, NY   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Scottish TO Society From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:08:18 -0500   Hi, Larry.......thanks for the mixture info. Will keep it in Barnes's ' American Organ '. Rick    
(back) Subject: fun From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:12:23 -0500   Do Happy-Clappy's make Happy Campy's?    
(back) Subject: Re: Happy Clappy and non-taditional stops From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:54:58 -0800   At 05:01 AM 11/10/98 -0500, Jason D. Comet wrote: >Just think about how a badly voiced 16', fractional lenghth reed, an 8' >solo regal, badly voiced, and few out of tuned string/flute ranks, a 4' >out of tune fugara rank, and a couple 16', UO, and 4' couplers, etc... >would sound accompanying those "happy clappy" *songs*<snip>   I like it......I like it a lot.....   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Console wind supply From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:54:06 -0600     On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 11:09:58 PST, LAMAR BOULET <lmar@hotmail.com> writes about:   > A problem---during remodeling of church, construction crews managed > to damage the console wind supply line.   Well, one should hope that their Liability insurance is in full force (while you rub your hands in anticipated glee!).   > The damage is at a spot that is not easy to get to.   Too bad for them isn't it?   > Is there a special blower available to supply seperate static pressure. Any small blower should work, but you prolly don't want to go that route, in that the noise factor from this, plus the fact that normally the kind of pressure needed is generally greater than a blower small enough to install in a console is not going to put out adequate pressure.   > I was informed that the static should be about 6 to 8 inches. This is a > three manual console.   By who? For instance, most Skinners were looking for 10-12" of pressure, and to raise that, you'd need a Chamade blower!   Were I you, I would use this opportunity to solid state convert the unit to all-electric operation. If the console drawknob operational (Kicker) pneumatics have very much age on them, they will probably require re-leathering in the not-too-distant future. A daunting and expensive prospect indeed.   Unless there is a really compelling reason to retain the pneumatic system, I'd use this opportunity to "split" the cost with the construction company's insurance company and do the upgrade and then be done worrying about if for the next 50 + years.   FWIW!   Faithfully,   "Arp in the Corn Patch"   Rich Schneider President/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX (616) 482-3139 MESSAGE SERVICE mailto:arpncorn@davesworld.net      
(back) Subject: Re: Addresses From: JSRANDKLR@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:18:03 EST   I tried this, and got a fault. Would you check the address for me? Thanks, John Richards  
(back) Subject: Non-traditional stops From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:45:33 -0600   On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:27:40 EST William C. <Prestant16@aol.com> thinks he's going to re-invent the wheel!   > I've been thinking of having glass bottels filled with baby oil (to > tune them) > and use it as an 8' oor 4' flute.   Sorry, William, but you're too late! At the recent American Institute of Organbuilders convention in Champaign-Urbana, IL, the Peterson Electro-Musical Products company (which firm builds many of the fine solid state components found in organs today!) had such an "instrument", replete with a MIDI playback unit on display.   It boasted of two "stops" one "stop"; the "Classic" one, consisted of varying sizes of brown beer bottles. The other "stop" was more "Tibia-like", in that it used fruit juice jars.   The wind supply is directed against the tops of the bottles by little narrow windsheet spigots, which replicate the effect produced when a person blows across the top of a bottle. It's an ingenious piece of workmanship; the credit for which largely goes to Peterson's long-time employee, Gary Rickert.   For the initial "tuning", they used oil, but glycerin has been suggested, as well as a "permanent" tuning by using slow-setting epoxy resin in the bottles.   I already have in my "rental order" for the 1999 Kenney Fall Festival. Given the beer-loving mentality of the local populace, it should make me enormously popular! In fact, I'd prolly have no trouble whatsoever getting "volunteers" to participate in the provision of empty beer bottles for the next OPUS!   Faithfully,   "Arp in the Corn Patch"   Richard Schneider President/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. Organbuilders <arpncorn@davesworl.net> 41-43 Johnston Street P.O. Box 137 Kenney, Illinois 61749-0137 USA Pager: (616) 482-3139 AMVOX Fax: (217) 944-2527 FAX Work: (217) 944-2454 VOX  
(back) Subject: tuned bottles From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:29:36 -0500   .............reminds me of a story I read about some organ grinders in Europe. These guys rented an organ from the local strasseorgel rental man. The instrument had tuned wine bottles in the front case filled with- guess what? Well, the grinders got to tuning the wine bottles a little too much. As a result, the bottles were way out of tune from the rest of the strasseorgel- I wonder why? Any how, the guys started singing along with the music as they cranked, the local constable came by, discovered what was going on (and why), and immediately put an end to their merry music-making. I wonder if this was the beginning of 'champaigne music' ? Oh, well. Rick dutchorgan@svs.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Non-Traditional Stops... From: Prestant16@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:30:23 EST       << The Peterson company had a "beer bottle" organ as part of their display at the recent AIO Conference in Champaign, IL. >>     Well, maybe I should try a 32' Beer Bottle stop, bet they didn't have that ;) hmm.. 32' Bottlesatz?   -William Catanesye  
(back) Subject: Re: Non-Traditional Stops... From: KurtvonS@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:40:05 EST   Now really!.....a 32' Bottlesatz...? From the size of it, I'd have to say that would be a crock.........  
(back) Subject: Re: Non-Traditional Stops... From: bmjohns <bmjohns@swbell.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:14:21 -0600   I remember a party in college where a number of empties had stacked up. A line of musicians formed, each with one or two bottles tuned with water. Another held up a piece of "music" designed for bottle band, and these musicians (ok, including me) made some pretty interesting music. This was amazing since the players were mostly responsible for emptying the bottles.   Now, if you have to shoot me for straying too far off topic, please aim low. Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://home.swbell.net/bmjohns/organ.htm     Prestant16@aol.com wrote:   > << The Peterson company had a "beer bottle" organ as part of their display at > the recent AIO Conference in Champaign, IL. >> > > Well, maybe I should try a 32' Beer Bottle stop, bet they didn't have that ;) > hmm.. 32' Bottlesatz? > > -William Catanesye > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Non-Traditional Stops... From: KurtvonS@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:36:32 EST   In launching an organ rebuild/enlargement project years ago, I had the Chancel Choir blow a rank of gedeckts (don't remember the piece) a la Bell choir at a church dinner. It was a lot of fun. The Pastor got to play the last note on a 16" Fagot!  
(back) Subject: Urgent - for sale From: "Robert E. Dilworth" <redtos@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:40:52 -0600   =46OR SALE - M=F6ller 1928 Theatre Pipe Organ Console. 3 manual, 185 stop tabs. Combination system is Trousdale capture type for all tabs. Set up for 28 ranks with console portion of the Z-tronics relay installed. Complete with combination system and console parts of relay. Must be sold by Nov. 30.   Reply to Bob Dilworth at redtos@voicenet.com Robert E. Dilworth,President Dickinson Theatre Organ Society 1801 Milltown Road Wilmington, DE 19808-1061 302-995-2603 redtos@voicenet.com home of the 3/66 Kimball Theatre Pipe Organ