PipeChat Digest #589 - Thursday, November 12, 1998
 
Re: Urgent - for sale
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Radio Programming (fwd)
  by "R A Campbell" <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU>
Re: Radio Programming (fwd)
  by "Jim Swist" <jswist@quickturn.com>
Re: Radio Programming (fwd)
  by <Afreed0904@aol.com>
Re: Urgent - for sale
  by "Robert E. Dilworth" <redtos@voicenet.com>
Re: Building Mixtures out of beer bottles
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: 32' Bottle Pitch
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
radio broadcasting
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: 32' Bottle Pitch
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Non-Traditional Stops...
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Radio Programming
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Need e-mail address
  by "David McPeak <Mack>" <dm726@delphi.com>
Re: Radio Programming
  by "Jim Leworthy" <jgl0@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Console wind supply
  by <MWORGLBAU@aol.com>
Re: Organ stuff reply
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Organ stuff reply
  by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net>
Mr. Micheal R. Williamson
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Non-Traditional Stops...
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
e-mail address help
  by "David McPeak <Mack>" <dm726@delphi.com>
Looking for Glenn Mahnke's EMAIL address (X-Posted)
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
New Position
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Urgent - for sale From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:24:50 -0600   Robert E. Dilworth wrote: > > FOR SALE - Möller 1928 Theatre Pipe Organ Console. 3 manual, 185 stop > tabs. Combination system is Trousdale capture type for all tabs. Set up > for 28 ranks with console portion of the Z-tronics relay installed. > Complete with combination system and console parts of relay. Must be sold > by Nov. 30.   Was this the former Möller slave console for the D.K.?   K.C.      
(back) Subject: Radio Programming (fwd) From: R A Campbell <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:12:00 -0700 (MST)   I saw an earlier post regarding how radio stations program classical music. I might share this observation with tyhis list. We do use solo organ and pipe organ selections but our library is limited. Do stations in your area program any solo organ music?   Here our music director selects the CDs for the library and a computer prints out the directors selection of the 500 most popular works which are rotated every three months and then rotated within day parts. He and a programming assistant then add to these core selections with additional music and this is then rotated between the various centuries and then it all is rotated between instrumentations. (i.e. orchestral, chamber, solo).   All is then programmed into a computer three months before air date so it can appear in the program guide and the internet listings. Finally at air time the announcer on duty can refine this collection with selections from the library of their own choice. (Usually dictated by time to bring out the final hour of a daypart).   Variety and familiarity are the key items. To a lesser extent vocal and choral works which are directed to specific programs. Organ and harpsichord pieces are heard less frequently. Additional influences are historic anniversaries of composers births and significant first performance dates which also influence the selection of specific works.   Here at KUAT-Fm another influence is the appearance of an artist on the local music stages. Recently Samuel Ramey and James Galway performed here in Tucson and their music was scheduled. The Tucson Syms composer in residence is Stephen Paulus and his works are heard to compliment upcomming performances that may be scheduled by the Symphony Orchestra.   Local performers who have released CDs are also heard on the station such as works by Nohema Fernandez, Paula Fan, Nicholas Zumbro who are on the faculty of The University of Arizona. Some significant American composers also have ties to the University and their music is also programmed.   There are some local church recordings of Christmas music also featuring church organ. No local pipe organ material, but if I had some in the library I would program it on my morning program.   Regards, RAC ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ R. A. Campbell, KUAT Communications-Modern Languages Building P.O.Box 210067 University of Arizona, Tucson AZ 85721      
(back) Subject: Re: Radio Programming (fwd) From: Jim Swist <jswist@quickturn.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:19:39 -0500   R A Campbell wrote: > > I saw an earlier post regarding how radio stations program classical > music. I might share this observation with tyhis list. We do use solo > organ and pipe organ selections but our library is limited. Do stations in > your area program any solo organ music?     Oh yeah, everything they can fit into "prime time", like 5-6 AM, or 15 minutes before they go off the air.   And then they'll even cut that if it interferes with something more important, like the twice-daily performance of Beethoven's 5th.   I am always reminded of a letter in TAO many many years ago about an organist who applied for some sort or musical fellowship/scholarship and was told that it was reserved for "mainsteam" musicians. Welcome to 5AM fellow mainstream organists....  
(back) Subject: Re: Radio Programming (fwd) From: Afreed0904@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:49:12 EST     In a message dated 11.11.98 10:13:19 AM, rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU writes:   <<Do stations in your area program any solo organ music?>>   Rarely, I think. And the dumbest thing they do (over the past 50 years, in widely diverse markets in which I've lived) is schedule their organ music for Sunday morning, just when the people who'd most listen to it are guaranteed to be tied up elsewhere. Really stupid.   Alan Freed  
(back) Subject: Re: Urgent - for sale From: "Robert E. Dilworth" <redtos@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:58:12 -0600   >Robert E. Dilworth wrote: >> >> FOR SALE - M=F6ller 1928 Theatre Pipe Organ Console. 3 manual, 185 stop >> tabs. Combination system is Trousdale capture type for all tabs. Set up >> for 28 ranks with console portion of the Z-tronics relay installed. >> Complete with combination system and console parts of relay. Must be sold >> by Nov. 30. > Kevin Cartwright requested: >Was this the former M=F6ller slave console for the D.K.?   It was our concert console from about 1985 to 1990 while we rebuilt the original Kimball console. After the Kimball console was back on line, the Moller console became a second console with an independent relay which was connected to the Dickinson Kimball organ. Both consoles could be used at the same time so strictly speaking, the M=F6ller console was never a slave.   Bob Robert E. Dilworth,President Dickinson Theatre Organ Society 1801 Milltown Road Wilmington, DE 19808-1061 302-995-2603 redtos@voicenet.com home of the 3/66 Kimball Theatre Pipe Organ  
(back) Subject: Re: Building Mixtures out of beer bottles From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:45:16 -0600   On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:52:45 -0700 Dennis Goward <dgoward@uswest.net> muses:   > Imagine the wild time they must have had building that rank!   > "Hey, Sam . . . bring another six pack -- let's make it a III rank > mixture!"   Hey,   That would only give you two notes! Fifth Grade math suggests that 3 "pipes" X 2 notes = 1-6-Pack   I think it would more likely have to be: "Hey Sam, have the beer truck back up to the door! Make sure the Urinal's in good working order too!"   I think you'd need a lot of volunteers. Here in Kenney, you'd have no problem getting them, either!      
(back) Subject: Re: 32' Bottle Pitch From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:54:12 -0600   On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:30:23 EST, William Catanesye <Prestant16@aol.com> Offers regarding the Peterson Beer Bottle Organ:   > Well, maybe I should try a 32' Beer Bottle stop <snip> 32' Bottlesatz? Then KurtvonS@aol.com speculates:   > Now really! <snip.> that would be a crock.........   Now Arp finally suggests:   I'd bet it's more likely to be an aluminum beer keg. So we come full circle: We started talking about aluminum pipes, and now we're back with aluminum pipes, with some beer thrown in to make things more interesting, and definitely more LCMS German!!!!   "Roll out the barrel; we'll have a barrel of fun. .. "   <Groan>   Faithfully,   "Arp"    
(back) Subject: radio broadcasting From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:26:25 -0500   The two classical FM stations in Indianapolis SOMETIMES feature solo organ. Otherwise it's recorded services from the big Episcopal church downtown. One of the two stations features Pipedreams on Sunday @ 10pm. Mostly tho, it's symphonic music and morgue-ish violin/piano stuff which just makes me want to pop in my band organ tapes ! Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: 32' Bottle Pitch From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:45:20 -0600 (CST)   At 11:54 AM 11/11/98 -0600, Rich Schneider wrote:   >I'd bet it's more likely to be an aluminum beer keg. So we come full >circle: We started talking about aluminum pipes, and now we're back >with aluminum pipes, with some beer thrown in to make things more >interesting, and definitely more LCMS German!!!!   That reminds me of the old German custom of celebrating the inauguration of an organ by drinking beer out of the middle C pipe of the 8' Principal. (I guess you would have to stop up the toe and mouth first.) I imagine with lead poisoning scares these days that this custom wouldn't be too popular, although as recently as 1970 I was given a pewter (basically the same material as common metal) beer mug as a 21st. birthday present. People used pewter vessels for hundreds of years, and while I think it is quite right to get rid of lead in gasoline and paint, I think some of these other "scares" are a little exaggerated. I recently saw a label which warned that a product contained phenol, a poison, as a preservative: "Fatal dose -- 7 cubic metres" it said. Personally I should think you would be in pretty poor shape if you ingested seven cubic metres of anything!   John.    
(back) Subject: Re: Non-Traditional Stops... From: dougcampbell@juno.com (Douglas A. Campbell) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:56:20 EST     On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:40:05 EST KurtvonS@aol.com writes: >Now really!.....a 32' Bottlesatz...? From the size of it, I'd have >to say >that would be a crock......... > But........It would be great for playing "Bock" !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Radio Programming From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:27:40 -0500   May I tell you how I got into radio programming?   Back in 1984, whilst I was "tech'ing" for CFRC-FM, (Radio Queen's University) I told the Station Manager and the Programme Director that what the station needed was a programme of organ and choral music. As happens in most volunteer organisations, - if you make a suggestion, you get to do it!   I began programming "Voicings", a programme of organ and choral music, on a Thursday evening in April of 1984 from 7.00 - 9.00 pm and it stayed that way for several years until a few of my friends told me that they would like to listen to the programme, but they had choir practice on Thursdays, so I asked for change of day and finished up with Wednesdays from 4.00 - 6.00pm. Those who were driving home from work could hear the programme in their car!   This carried on for a couple of years, but then I found that I couldn't have Wednesdays any more, so we went back to Thursdays but from 8.00 - 10.00 pm. Most choir practices finished well before 10.00 pm, and here in Canada the choir members do not adjourn to the local pub after choir practice, as we always did in London!   I also took over an afternoon programme on Sundays for a spell, and always managed to include at least one organ piece or one choral piece in each programme. I have also managed to "fill in" from time to time for a colleague on a Sunday morning from 8.00 am to 12.00 noon, when he couldn't make it, and have tried to do much the same during that time slot, but I have always realised that Sunday mornings were better for plain orchestral music rather than for organ and choral stuff!   I very recently have had to give up programming of any kind, as I had a heart attack last August, which has also affected my vision, so much so that I cannot drive my car comfortably, or read CD notes, or even the larger print on LPs. So now Kingston and area listeners no longer have a local organ radio programme.   I guess that I was fortunate in working at a University Radio Station, with very co-operative Managerial Staff. However, the programme has not been picked up by any-one else, so it has gone, - after almost 15 years or so of programming.   I have always been certain that I had a fair number of listeners to the programme, for I would meet them from time to time. Having a very English accent accounted for strangers to come over to me in a store, after they had heard me speak to the clerks and would ask if I was the fellow who did the radio programme!   I am quite sure that there are a goodly number of listeners to organ and choral music, and it has already been said that Sunday morning is hardly the best time to put such such programmes on the air.   I was Classics Director for most of my years at CFRC-FM, and we had a thriving array of classical programmes from organs and choral music to opera, to chamber music and orchestral music. Whether that will continue depends a lot on who takes over as Classics Director.   Alas, the station is going through the throes of commercial sponsoring (adverts!), and it is my opinion that we shall eventually lose a lot of the classical programming to the pop format. It is already apparent that our "sponsors" would prefer to have a bigger audience than classical programming can attain.   Bob Conway   Ex Dee Jay!   CFRC-FM 101.9  
(back) Subject: Need e-mail address From: "David McPeak <Mack>" <dm726@delphi.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:45:28 -0500   Hello Pipechatters,   I need to contact Bob Evans of EMACTOS does anyone have his e-mail address? I would appreciate it if you could forward it to me ASAP.   Lost a lot of data when I moved my computers to new home somehow.   Thanks Dave McPeak.  
(back) Subject: Re: Radio Programming From: "Jim Leworthy" <jgl0@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:01:12 -0500     On 11/11/98, at 6:27 PM, Bob Conway wrote:   >Alas, the station is going through the throes of commercial sponsoring >(adverts!), and it is my opinion that we shall eventually lose a lot of the >classical programming to the pop format. It is already apparent that our >"sponsors" would prefer to have a bigger audience than classical >programming can attain.   Bob's concern may be modified, slightly, because there is a thriving commercial classical station, CFMX, that began a few miles west of Bob's Kingston in the late 70s and which, after a rocky start, established a second transmitter in Toronto, where their studios now reside. There is no organ programme, per se, but they do play organ pieces in their "mix". There is a donor supported classical/jazz station in Toronto, CJRT, which does an occasional six week series called "The King of Instruments" with the organist from St James Cathedral, Chris Dawes. Of course, there is always the CBC's Radio Two "Classics and Beyond" (so they say). There was no CBC organ programming after Bob Kerr retired (Organ Thursdays on "Off The Record"). Recently, though, they have inserted an organ "bit" into the Thursday noon programming block.   There is hope that Kingston's CFRC may survive.   Meanwhile, the only sure organ thing is "Pipe Dreams" on WNED from Buffalo, Sundays at 10:00 PM.   Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: Console wind supply From: MWORGLBAU@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:15:07 EST   Dear Lamar, Richard and list,   "A problem---during remodeling of church, construction crews managed to damage the console wind supply line."   Real problem. This has happened to me, and I'm sure others on the list have had similar problems.   "The damage is at a spot that is not easy to get to."   Nevertheless, it needs to be repaired. This by far is the best option, unless it truly is impossible to get at it. Example of the impossible. I maintain an organ who's blower is in the basement, has a terra cota windline which runs from the basement up through a wall, underground, then through another wall into the organ chamber. During an earthquake several years ago, the terra cota windline broke somewhere in the run. Without tearing up the walls or the grounds, it would be impossible to repair. And the sheer expense. I ended up pulling an airtight, flexible sleeve through the old terra cota windline, and sealed it tight at the ends reduced the internal diameter of the static windline by probably 1/2" but it did not make a difference in the organ's winding. Trust me, I did this as a last resort. I would have rather seen the windline replaced.   "Is there a special blower available to supply separate static pressure."   Recommend against this. Repair the original windline if at all possible.   "Well, one should hope that their Liability insurance is in full force"   Richard has a good point here. If they damaged it, they should have to pay to have it repaired back to pre-damage condition.   "By who? For instance, most Skinners were looking for 10-12" of pressure, and to raise that, you'd need a Chamade blower!"   Pressure of 10-12"; not always Richard. I maintain a Casavant organ from the 1930's who's console pressure is around 6". Not unheard of.   "Were I you, I would use this opportunity to solid state convert the unit to all-electric operation. If the console drawknob operational (Kicker) pneumatics have very much age on them, they will probably require re- leathering in the not-too-distant future. A daunting and expensive prospect indeed.   Unless there is a really compelling reason to retain the pneumatic system, I'd use this opportunity to "split" the cost with the construction company's insurance company and do the upgrade and then be done worrying about if for the next 50 + years."   I would tend not to agree. Not every instance calls for a solid-state upgrade. The leather may be good, or maybe an easy type of system to redo. Or the church may just like the system the way it is.   I have found that in instances like this, the insurance company would not go in for splitting the cost for an upgrade, as they would see it as the church simply trying to get an upgrade at the expense of the insurance company.   Hope that this helps     Michael R. Williamson Williamson-Warne & Associates Hollywood Ca.    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ stuff reply From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:38:20 -0600   Jason D. Comet wrote: > Does the person have an e-mail address? I would be interested in the > console and bench, Gross Flute, Vox Humana, Swell engine, and > Chrysloglott (sp?)   What, are you building a theatre organ?? It's chrysoglott.   Anyway,   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com        
(back) Subject: Re: Organ stuff reply From: usd465@horizon.hit.net (Frank Johnson) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:59:42 -0500   >Jason D. Comet wrote: >> Does the person have an e-mail address? I would be interested in the >> console and bench, Gross Flute, Vox Humana, Swell engine, and >> Chrysloglott (sp?) > >What, are you building a theatre organ?? It's chrysoglott. > >Anyway, >     Kevin, how is your organ doing/playing now? I haven't read any posts recently about it. DO you have plans to add to it? I'm the the man in Kansas who exchanged some theater organ tapes with you.     Frank   Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: Mr. Micheal R. Williamson From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:07:31 -0500   Saw your letter . You brought up some very good points. Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: Non-Traditional Stops... From: Prestant16@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:36:22 EST     <<In launching an organ rebuild/enlargement project years ago, I had the Chancel Choir blow a rank of gedeckts (don't remember the piece) a la Bell choir at a church dinner. It was a lot of fun. The Pastor got to play the last note on a 16" Fagot!>>   I'm not trying to be rude, but try not to blow into reeds a whole lot. The moisture in your breath condenses inside the boot, and can cause damage. Corrosion to the brass is the major concern.   -William C.  
(back) Subject: e-mail address help From: "David McPeak <Mack>" <dm726@delphi.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:49:13 -0500   I want to thank all who forwarded Bob Evans' address to me. This is one of the great benefits of these lists.   Dave McPeak  
(back) Subject: Looking for Glenn Mahnke's EMAIL address (X-Posted) From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:45:58 -0600   Dear Lists:   As if dealing with the recent situation with my Mom isn't enough, the CD ROM on my shop computer was giving me some problems, and the guy I have working on it also is involved in servicing Cellular phone towers or some such. Yesterday's severe windstorm means he's on the road for awhile, unfortunately. So, my shop computer is going to be "out to lunch" far longer than I had hoped for, unfortunately.   I need to get in touch with Glenn Mahnke of Marengo, IL, but unfortunately, my entire EMAIL file with the correspondence with him resides on that above-mentioned machine, and I don't have his address on my Laptop (yet!)   Could someone please be kind enough to supply same, or Glenn, if you're out there, would you send me an EMAIL, please?   Thanks kindly!   Faithfully,   "Arp"   Rich Schneider SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpncorn@davesworld.net EMAIL    
(back) Subject: New Position From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:08:05 -0700   It is with joy that I am pleased to announce that I have now officially been appointed Director of Music at St. Paul Lutheran Church of Phoenix, AZ.   One of my first duties there will be to oversee the resurrection of the choir that has been inactive since early summer, when the previous director and organist (a husband and wife team) began to separate themselves from the church.   Dennis Goward   Business: http://www.desertsoft.net Personal: http://www.desertsoft.net/personal