PipeChat Digest #591 - Saturday, November 14, 1998
 
Re: Fw: Radio Programming
  by "Jim Leworthy" <jgl0@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Organ stuff reply
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Organ stuff reply
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Buying a new organ
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
Best digital church organs?
  by <BILL.S.HOOVER@monsanto.com>
Re: 32' bottle stop?
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Organ stuff reply
  by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net>
Re: 32' bottle stop?
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: Buying a new organ
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Organ stuff reply
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: 32' bottle stop?  Reply
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Wind supply
  by "LAMAR BOULET" <lmar@hotmail.com>
electronic practice organ
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: electronic practice organ
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Greetings all....
  by <WRansomeJr@aol.com>
RE: electronic practice organ
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
VISIT!!!!!
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: 32' bottle stop?
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Organ stuff reply
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: VISIT!!!!!
  by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net>
RE: electronic practice organ
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: 32' bottle stop?
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Greetings all....
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Hello Again....
  by "MR SAND   LAWN" <KWQT65A@prodigy.com>
Re: Organ stuff reply
  by "TJ Plajer" <c_cortex@geocities.com>
Re: electronic practice organ
  by "Owen Jones" <owenj@dynamite.com.au>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Radio Programming From: "Jim Leworthy" <jgl0@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:14:29 -0500   Thanks, Bonnie Beth   I know of your programming, very well, from a previous life when I lived in the Kingston area. I thought the context would have indicated that I'm now in the Toronto area (Mississauga) and Syracuse/Watertown is not a possibility to even be considered - even at my 29th floor perch.   Keep up the good wor   *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********   On 12/11/98, at 8:54 PM, Bonnie Beth Derby wrote:   >Greetings all, > >I just arrived home from spending three days in New York City and, after >reading through the e-mail, noticed a number of posts on radio programming >and organ music - which were very interesting. Jim Leworthy mentioned: > >``Meanwhile, the only sure organ thing is "Pipe Dreams" on WNED from >Buffalo, >Sundays at 10:00 PM.'' > >Well Jim, there is also a ``sure organ thing'' in Central New York, titled >``Orgelwerke''. It is aired every Sunday night from 8 to 9pm on WCNY-FM, >Syracuse (91.3); WUNY-FM, Utica (89.5), and WJNY-FM, Watertown (90.9) - >(PBS station). The program is produced and hosted by me and has been on the >air for over 29 years. 99% of the program comes from my own library. I >celebrate birthdays of composers and organists, feature recordings of >upcoming recitalists whenever possible, mention area recitals and concerts, >and feature programs on different instruments. This past Fall we held our >bi-annual fundraiser and ``Orgelwerke'' raised $5,000 in two hours - the >biggest amount ever for that show! We also offer theatre organ versions of >``Orgelwerke''. > >I also produce and host a choral program titled ``Choral Traditions'' - >which is aired on Saturday night from 8 to 9:30 pm. We feature choral >works, choirs, a `choral cultural calendar' of upcoming events, some >interviews, and birthdays. > >Also, since I host and program a portion of ``Repertoire'' from 10am to 1pm >Monday through Friday, I put in a number of Organ and Choral selections, >along with symphonic, piano, harpsichord, brass, strings, concerti, vocal >(solo), and woodwind selections, just to name a few. > >Our library is on computer and I program off that, plus add a number of >recordings from my personal library. One of my co-workers has a large >personal library, mostly of historic recordings, and programs his `on-air >stint' out of his selections, with a smattering from the stations library.   >So, as you can well-imagine, there is a wealth of music presented on >``Classic FM''. > >It is not easy to please everyone but we try to do our best. Yet, >once-in-a-while we receive calls from listeners saying ``I like what you >play but could you back off on the harpsichord music?''; ``I would like to >hear baroque music in the morning.''; ``You play too much vocal - I want >more string quartets.''; ``Could we have more vocal music?''; ``Please! >Less modern music!''; ``I want more contemporary music!''; ``There's too >much organ music...sounds like someone died!''; I just LOVE the organ >selections that you play.''.......and the list goes on. > >We do offer one, and sometimes two all-request programs per month and they >fill up quickly. > >We also, play the complete symphony, concerto, etc. - not just excerpts (as >seems to be the wave in many Classical stations these days). > >I hope that this fills you in on what is going on - at least here in >Central New York. I would like to hear more from other areas. > >Best regards, > >Bonnie Beth Derby >Syracuse, New York >orge@dreamscape.com > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ stuff reply From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:40:21 -0600   Jason D. Comet wrote:   > have a dream of building. (If I never get to it, at least I jave a > theatre organ percussion stop.)   Minus the high pressure blower requred to operate it...   krc        
(back) Subject: Re: Organ stuff reply From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 02:57:51 -0500     >Minus the high pressure blower requred to operate it...   right jc   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Buying a new organ From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 03:30:53 -0500   As you all know, hopefully, I have been bugging my church for the past several years about getting a new organ, or have this one rebuilt. However, it has been a topsy-turvy situation. Many people say yes, but the "heads" say they don't care for organ music. But the "heads" don't have the supreme rule. After all, this is a democracy.   The other people and the "heads" say that if you can come up with a way to get the money, or can get the money all together, you can build it as large and however you want it. I have concidered the size of the room and have discovered, you CAN"T put the size insturment I had been thinking about inside that small of a room.   However, The only problem is the money. If I could find a "one-lump-sum" source, we would be as good as having one. But, my discovering and examining has proven to me that we need a new church facility. This one was built 6 months after I was born. (My birthday is November 17, 1982) NEXT WEEK!!!!!!! (and I *may* be getting my electric piano I used during the theatre production of BARNUM!)   HOWEVER,,,,,,,, I was concidering trying to put the PARISH on the National or State register of historic places, but I doubt that it would work. So, what do your church(es) do for successful fund raising.   ALSO,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Is there a group that would be interested in giving grants for new organs?????   The church really needs this badly. Not for the building, but for the organ.   Thanks for listening......   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ Worship Chairperson, Organ Curator, | \ organist, choir director, director of music, O at Bethany U.M. Church, Watertown, NY   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Best digital church organs? From: <BILL.S.HOOVER@monsanto.com> Date: 13 Nov 1998 15:45:24 -0600   Hello to all from a first-time writer. I am hopeful that my church will soon be in the position to purchase a new organ. Because of space and financial considerations, it will most likely be a digital organ rather than a pipe organ. What brands do y'all recommend? I'd like one that excels in music of the Renaissance, Reformation, and Baroque eras but also well supports English hymnody (including Vaughan Williams and David Willcocks), "big" hymn arrangements, the traditional wedding literature, etc. Our sanctuary holds approximately 300 worshippers and has very live acoustics, so I am expecting that we do not need a huge organ. I will probably be looking at the lower-to-middle range of any given product line. I am currently considering the following brands: Ahlborn (Generalmusic) Allen Baldwin (Church Organ Systems) Classic Johannus Prestige (Church Organ Systems) Rodgers Are there others I should consider that have a good pipelike sound and work well for hymns and organ literature from a variety of periods? Thanks, Bill Hoover St. Louis MO  
(back) Subject: Re: 32' bottle stop? From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:20:30 -0600   A little off from the actual bottle stop topic, but I ve noticed something. An empty 2 liter soda bottle gives off an 8' G nat. when blown. As well, I thought a 3 liter would do differently, but it didn't. It gives off an 8' G nat. as well. Why??   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Organ stuff reply From: usd465@horizon.hit.net (Frank Johnson) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:20:34 -0500     >I'm having a slight dust problem. I'm reluctant to tune it myself, or I >would take the pipes out and vacuum it out again. However, the "organ >smell" stays away until I turn it on. That, in turn, gets sucked into >the A.C./Heat intake, and any organ person would be able to walk into >the house and say, "Hey, he's got a pipe organ..." > >Anyway, > >Kevin C. >kevin1@alaweb.com   Thanks for the reply Kevin. Wish you were closer to Kansas as I'd love to see/hear it sometime. Thanks for sharing.   Frank   Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: Re: 32' bottle stop? From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:11:26 PDT     Kevin,   Good question. The reason is because the pitch of a vibrating column of air has to do with the length of the air column - - - I would guess from your description that the 2 liter and 3 liter bottles are about the same length, hence the resonant pitch would be about the same.   (placing or removing a cap from the opposite end would shift the pitch down or up an octave respectively).   The diameter of the air column has more to do with the overtone series than the fundamental pitch. So, if the 2 and 3 liter bottles are about the same length but have different diameters, the timbre of each should be somewhat different (even if the pitch is the same).       Mark         > A little off from the actual bottle stop topic, but I ve noticed > something. An empty 2 liter soda bottle gives off an 8' G nat. when > blown. As well, I thought a 3 liter would do differently, but it > didn't. It gives off an 8' G nat. as well. Why?? > > Kevin C. > kevin1@alaweb.com     Mark Huth Rodgers Instrument Corporation mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgerscorp.com   ==========================   He has the mathematical abilities of a Clydesdale. --David Letterman    
(back) Subject: Re: Buying a new organ From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:30:02 -0500 (EST)   Jason asked about ways to raise money. I don't know how much money this would raise but it sure does sound like fun.   A church had a Hymn-a-Thon during which they sang through their hymnal from front to back, singing every hymn, usually only two stanza. However, if someone wanted to sing all the stanzas they could "purchase" them by making a donation. It sounds like a great deal of fun, especially if your are in a church with a hymnal with as much variety as the Methodist Hymnal (I believe Jason is in a UMC). Even if this does not raise enough money for the new organ, it would be a beginning and certainly would alert people with big bucks to the need. You may have to do some serious "smucho derrierre", but, hey, if it gets you a new organ. Also, be very certain that you are seeking something reasonable. Before you announce that you are raising funds for a new organ, you need a plan, such as specs and a drawing from a builder who has seen your church and is presenting a realistic instrument. If you go after what you "want" you may scare them completely away. Then, of course, there are organ recitals and other activities which can be beneficial. Best of luck.   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o d o g s ______________ o o h o o a o o ______________ o o p s   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............     Anybody who doesn't know what soap tastes like never washed a dog. -- Franklin P. Jones    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ stuff reply From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:40:12 -0500 (EST)     >I'm having a slight dust problem. I'm reluctant > to tune it myself, or I would take the pipes out > and vacuum it out again. Since the organ is yours I really think that you should bite the bullet and learn to tune. You should have a tuner come over and work with you; it is a great deal of fun. Part of the beauties of pipownership!   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o d o g s ______________ o o h o o a o o ______________ o o p s   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............     Anybody who doesn't know what soap tastes like never washed a dog. -- Franklin P. Jones    
(back) Subject: Re: 32' bottle stop? Reply From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:32:52 EST   Bottle Stop,   Kevin, I believe that if both bottles are the same height, the pitch would be tha same because of equal wavelengths. The different volumes would analogous to two pipes of the same length, but different scales such as a flute and tibia of the same pitch.   Later, Phil L.  
(back) Subject: Wind supply From: "LAMAR BOULET" <lmar@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:24:32 PST   Thanks for the input on my problem with the console wind supply. One of you mentioned a Chamade Blower. That would do the job if it has enough pressure. I did not read the static while I was there, but that can be checked. I am over a hundred miles from the site. There is a crawl space beneath the console where a blower can be installed so that blower noise can be controlled. It is odd that I did not think of a Chamade blower since I have serviced several of them, but I guess that is what age will do for you. NOw , where can I get a Chamade Blower. I talked with Organ Supply and was told that there is not a blower that would do the job for me. I wonder why he did not mention the Chamade Blower. I have a job pending now where I am to remove a Chamade and blower so that a re-construction job can be done. I contacted the builder of this organ by way of E-mail about a week ago and so far have not received a reply.   Thanks--everyone. lamar Boulet   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: electronic practice organ From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:53:03 EST   Hello to List   A regional organ company with over a quarter century in the business is contemplating the development and manufacture of electronic home/practice organ (both classical and theatre styles). Specifications are not yet complete, however, preliminary concepts lean toward a II/16 (2/16 - TO) configuration. Cost appears to be in the $50-60,000 range. Console would consist of "better than furniture grade" cabinetry, and tour quality electronics would be used in tone generation.   Would there be any interest in such an instrument?   Inqueries contact <LARRY@CHALLENGERLTD.COM>  
(back) Subject: Re: electronic practice organ From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:51:26 -0500 (EST)   I don't know that much about elecronics but it seems to me that with all the available technology, mass production, etc, that a 2/16 practice instrument could be manufactured for under $50,000. I just can't imagine how this box of wires, plastic and circuit boards could actually cost so much. If you can get a synthesizer with a bazillion noises on it for $3000, even a three manual and pedal thingy would come in under $10,000!   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o d o g s ______________ o o h o o a o o ______________ o o p s   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............     Anybody who doesn't know what soap tastes like never washed a dog. -- Franklin P. Jones    
(back) Subject: Greetings all.... From: WRansomeJr@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:25:07 EST   After a long absence, I have decided to rejoin PipeChat. I needed a break while I figured out what I was going to do with myself since I was bored with everything I had been doing.   My handle was RandyT...from Florence Alabama.   After a successful job search I am at home in Los Altos, California, serving as Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster at Christ Episcopal Church. In addition to the administrative duties I have a 30 voice senior choir, two junior choirs, and an intergenerational handbell choir. This is a much more challenging position than I had and should keep me happy for a while. Silicon Valley is like another world compared to old south Florence, Alabama! The people have been great!   I have inherited a 1975 Wicks organ that will be fooled with till we can manage some decent sounds. II/13 ranks and rank #13 is a very BIG Chamade--kind of weird even for a Wicks from that era! But hey, life is interesting! I traded in a wonderful 1990 Dyer Organ of 22 ranks for a parish that everything is wonderful in EXCEPT the organ. Good trade IMHO.   So you guys ...and others.....I am glad to be back and hope to hear some interesting conversations!   Randy Terry  
(back) Subject: RE: electronic practice organ From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:43:35 -0700   > Cost appears to be in the $50-60,000 range. Console would > consist of "better than furniture grade" cabinetry, and tour quality > electronics would be used in tone generation.   Wow! This sounds extremely expensive for a 2/16! Certainly there's something already available at a more reasonable figure.   Dennis Goward    
(back) Subject: VISIT!!!!! From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:29:32 -0600   Frank Johnson wrote: > > >I'm having a slight dust problem. I'm reluctant to tune it myself, or I > >would take the pipes out and vacuum it out again. However, the "organ > >smell" stays away until I turn it on. That, in turn, gets sucked into > >the A.C./Heat intake, and any organ person would be able to walk into > >the house and say, "Hey, he's got a pipe organ..." > > > >Anyway, > > > >Kevin C. > >kevin1@alaweb.com > > Thanks for the reply Kevin. Wish you were closer to Kansas as I'd love to > see/hear it sometime. Thanks for sharing. > > Frank   Many list members pass Greenville, Alabama on I-65 without thinking about it. If Frank or anyone else remembers me and wants to stop by, call (334) 382-7756, and we'll meet. I can spend a day or two, or an hour. I'd love to meet another listmember!   Kevin C. Greenville, Alabama kevin1@alaweb.com        
(back) Subject: Re: 32' bottle stop? From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:31:09 -0600   Mark Huth wrote: > than the fundamental pitch. So, if the 2 and 3 liter bottles are about > the same length but have different diameters, the timbre of each should be > somewhat different (even if the pitch is the same).   The 3 liter is deeper (taller) than the two liter.   krc        
(back) Subject: Re: Organ stuff reply From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:33:44 -0600   bruce cornely wrote: > > >I'm having a slight dust problem. I'm reluctant > > to tune it myself, or I would take the pipes out > > and vacuum it out again. > Since the organ is yours I really think that you should bite the bullet > and learn to tune. You should have a tuner come over and work with you; > it is a great deal of fun. Part of the beauties of pipownership!   I know how, have the tools as well. But, I hate doing it, and I don't get the things perfect. I am working with a tech. from time to time, and I'll get it right eventually...   krc        
(back) Subject: Re: VISIT!!!!! From: usd465@horizon.hit.net (Frank Johnson) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:57:30 -0500   >Many list members pass Greenville, Alabama on I-65 without thinking >about it. If Frank or anyone else remembers me and wants to stop by, >call (334) 382-7756, and we'll meet. I can spend a day or two, or an >hour. I'd love to meet another listmember! > >Kevin C. >Greenville, Alabama >kevin1@alaweb.com     Thank you my friend. Maybe some day.   Frank   Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: RE: electronic practice organ From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:24:12 -0800   At 09:43 PM 11/13/98 -0700, Dennis Goward wrote: >> Cost appears to be in the $50-60,000 range.<snip> > >Wow! This sounds extremely expensive for a 2/16! Certainly there's something >already available at a more reasonable figure.   Hammond/Suzuki has the CS-series digital AGO consoles, with samples voicing and internal speakers, wholesaling for about $4,500, and I believe it's a 2/25 WITH a '32 Pedal Bourdon! Check it out at http://www.hammondsuzuki.com.   Is that console REALLY worth $45,000???   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: 32' bottle stop? From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 00:55:07 EST   Hello List-------Regards the 2 different height bottles giving the same pitch as reported by Kevin Cartright----Hmmmmmm-----tried it here with 2 bottles of different heights,,and NOPE,,,different pitches,,,repeated again with water in one bottle to bring one up to same depth as the other bottle,,,and YES,,,same pitch...Dumped the water out again and NOPE,,,different pitch... Apparently Mr. Cartright has discovered a new physical law. A Nobel prize should be in the offing for this amazing discovery, which essentially says,,,if I interpret it right,,,that closed colums of air of different lengths will sound the same pitch if blown accross their open ends.   Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Greetings all.... From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 01:55:52 -0500 (EST)   Welcome back to pipechat. Congratulations on your new spot on the "left side".   >I have inherited a 1975 Wicks organ that will > be fooled with till we can manage some > decent sounds. II/13 ranks and rank #13 is a > very BIG Chamade--kind of weird even for a > Wicks from that era!   Just for laughs, would you share the spec's of the Wicks with us. Maybe we can "rebuild" it for you. I play a 2/21 Moller (82) with only two manual reeds: a squally trompette in the swell and Peterbilt 8 on the back wall just a couple of feet above head level.   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o d o g s ______________ o o h o o a o o ______________ o o p s   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............     Anybody who doesn't know what soap tastes like never washed a dog. -- Franklin P. Jones    
(back) Subject: Hello Again.... From: KWQT65A@prodigy.com (MR SAND LAWN) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:42:48, -0500   After major PC problems and a change of server, glad to be getting all these nice organic messages again. Especially Bruce's comments!!!! Greetings to all my old friends.   Sand Lawn  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ stuff reply From: TJ Plajer <c_cortex@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 03:26:39 -0800   Kevin Cartwright wrote: > > I'm having a slight dust problem. I'm reluctant to tune it myself, or I > would take the pipes out and vacuum it out again. However, the "organ > smell" stays away until I turn it on. That, in turn, gets sucked into > the A.C./Heat intake, and any organ person would be able to walk into > the house and say, "Hey, he's got a pipe organ..." >     Here is a Crazy/Funny question:   How does a Pipe Organ smell? As in, what type of fragrance does it give off? I have not been inside a live Pipe Organ in a long time! :)   TJ  
(back) Subject: Re: electronic practice organ From: Owen Jones <owenj@dynamite.com.au> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:58:21 +1100   IMHO it is the time spent in soldering and doing all the wiring which takes scads of time that is the main cost factor in building an electronic practice organ. I started rebuilding mine in 1995 and I would have spent, gosh I can't remember, how many hours. Any way most nights from then until April 98 to have the three manuals and pedals playing. Take for example one set of tone generators ( 12 notes, one pcb ) it took nearly a whole day just to solder up one board. In my organ there are 12 pcbs (tone gen boards) at the moment and more to come later. Then soldering and wiring all the relays and stop filters, amplifiers,,,blah blah blah. Could you imagine charging the standard hourly rate and expecting someone to be able to afford it in the end. The electronics alone has totalled to about AUD$6000 to date and that is not including the cost of a 3 manual console with a 32 note pedalboard. If want all that built for you then you have to pay the labour, or be able to afford to have it done by a machine, however, they wont do small runs of pcb's, only large quantities. So if you could get enough bods together in a consortium, maybe the cost would be allot less. I don't know. I played a 2 manual Rodgers classic the other day and I think it was about AUD$11K, and was a digital organ and had a pretty good sound Musicom organs have models which are well under 50k Have a look at their site. http://melbourne.citysearch.com.au/E/V/MELBO/0055/01/45/1.html   Cheers   Owen     bruce cornely wrote:   > I don't know that much about elecronics but it seems to me that with all > the available technology, mass production, etc, that a 2/16 practice > instrument could be manufactured for under $50,000. I just can't > imagine how this box of wires, plastic and circuit boards could actually > cost so much. If you can get a synthesizer with a bazillion noises on > it for $3000, even a three manual and pedal thingy would come in under > $10,000! > > .......................bruce cornely........................ > o o o o ______________ o o o o > d o g s ______________ o o h o > o a o o ______________ o o p s > > ............ cremona84000@webtv.net ............ > > Anybody who doesn't know what soap tastes like never washed a dog. -- > Franklin P. Jones > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org