PipeChat Digest #595 - Tuesday, November 17, 1998
 
Organ Stop Pizza schedule info
  by "LAWRENCE W NEVEL" <lnwbpa@sunlink.net>
Re:  RE: Best digital church organs?
  by <Silkascots@aol.com>
Recording concerts
  by "Adam and Christine Levin" <levins@westnet.com>
Messiah sing announcement
  by "George W. Jenista" <hiplain@flash.net>
ivory keys
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Electronic practice organ
  by <jorge.gomez@nuclenor.es>
church music humor source?
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@po.muohio.edu>
Re: Best digital church organs?
  by "Steven L. Egler" <Steven.Egler@cmich.edu>
Re: electronic practice organ
  by "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@ibm.net>
Ivories
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Ivories
  by "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@ibm.net>
Re: Ivories
  by "Jim Swist" <jswist@quickturn.com>
Re: Ivories
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: Ivories
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net>
12th Annual Redlands Organ Festival
  by "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@ibm.net>
electronic practice organ
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
RE: Ivories
  by "William Coale" <wcoale@tir.com>
Re: Best digital church organs?
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Ivories
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Ivories
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Best digital church organs - THANKS! and more info...
  by <BILL.S.HOOVER@monsanto.com>
Re: Ivories
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
Ivories
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net>
Re: Best digital church organs - THANKS! and more info...
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: electronic practice organ
  by "Owen Jones" <owenj@dynamite.com.au>
Re: Ivories
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
 


(back) Subject: Organ Stop Pizza schedule info From: LAWRENCE W NEVEL <lnwbpa@sunlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 05:27:43 -0500   Dear Members, I've been lurking for quite a while again. I read somewhere the schedule for Organ Stop Pizza. I will be visiting there on Monday or Tuesday, 11/23 or 11/24. Could someone please share the address, maybe some simple directions for the interstate, and times they are open with and organist playing? Please e-mail me privately. I am leaving for CA on Friday morning so need this info as soon as possible. Thanks in advance Larry    
(back) Subject: Re: RE: Best digital church organs? From: Silkascots@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:51:55 EST   Dennis,   Tell us something about the Britson organs. I have never heard of them!   Mark  
(back) Subject: Recording concerts From: Adam and Christine Levin <levins@westnet.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:55:00 -0500 (EST)     Hey folks, I figured I'd try this list for some insights.   I've got a synth rig at home with some basic hard disk recording going on (using the computer, not a dedicated box). The choir in which I sing (and run by my organ teacher) is going to do a Christmas Carol Sing/Concert next month, and my teacher has expressed interest in having it recorded. I've got the equipment, and I'm looking for helpful hints and suggestions for dos and don'ts. I've got good microphones (2 for stereo) and a boom. The rack of gear I've got is: 12 channel mixer with phantom power for the mics 15 band two channel graphic eq dual channel (stereo) compressor/limiter with noise gate (plus other unrelated gear).   I'd have to bring my rack of gear plus the computer. I'm looking for ideas on where to place the mics, whether to use the compressor or not, etc.   The church is a large, cathedral style room with stone columns (it's got acoustic tile on the ceiling which they will eventually be sealing, but not yet). The organ is a 3/fiftysomething Schantz with a lot of high end. The bass doesn't carry too well in the room. The organ is completey situated just to the right of the chancel (great, swell and choir are all there), so there's no "surround sound" here. The choir will not only be in the choir pews in front of the organ but also moving around the church. There are two side aisles and a center aisle, but I must avoid blocking anyone. The stone pillars run along the side aisles, and each has an outlet. There's one pillar at the front pew right in front of the organ, so I was thinking of placing the mics there.   Any helpful advice would be appreciated.   Thank you very much, -Adam   Rutherford, NJ USA Free speech online!_/ what happens is, I gets hold of 'un http://westnet.com/~levins/ _______/ and smacks 'un between the eyes with <*> __________________________/ a hammer...and then I whispers in his ear, I -O / sez 'Cross me...and I'll have thy goolies on t'anvil, thou knows I can.'    
(back) Subject: Messiah sing announcement From: "George W. Jenista" <hiplain@flash.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:38:53 -0500   Broadway Baptist Church, Fort Worth, Texas presents:   MESSIAH   by George Frederick Handel   The Chancel & Chapel Choirs Dr. Al Travis, Organist The Orchestra at Broadway David Keith, Director   SUNDAY, NOVEMEBER 29TH, 7:00 PM   {featuring Casavant's magnum opus #3750, V/191-ranks} ----------------------- Broadway Baptist Church 305 West Broadway Street, Fort Worth, TX 76104 ph: (817) 336-5761 fax: (817) 336-2252  
(back) Subject: ivory keys From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:18:12 -0600   Can someone suggest the best solution for cleaning ivory keys?   thanks   Robert Eversman Mineral Point WI  
(back) Subject: Electronic practice organ From: <jorge.gomez@nuclenor.es> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 98 16:45:59 +0100     I am thinking about implementing an electronic practice organ using a PC with a sound card connected to 2 or 3 MIDI keyboards and a MIDI pedalboard.   I think that it could be cheeper than an electronic organ, and it could be easier to transport. But I do not know if the quality of the sound would be good enough, if different temperaments (equal, meantone, etc.) could be implemented and if location of each pipe could be simulated.   I would like to know if anybody has experiences about it.   Jorge Gomez      
(back) Subject: church music humor source? From: runyonr@po.muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:13:58 -0400   Dear organic colleagues, Does anyone know of a web source for church music-related humor suitable for filler in a church newsletter--jokes, cartoons, etc.?   Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu Organist and Music Director, Norwood Christian Church (Cincinnati, OH) Professor of French, Miami University (Oxford, OH)      
(back) Subject: Re: Best digital church organs? From: "Steven L. Egler" <Steven.Egler@cmich.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:04:05 +0000   Cornell Zimmer is putting out a fine product these days-- all Walker (sp?) components, which Casavant uses for its electronic 32's.   Steven Egler -- ***************************** Steven Egler Professor of Music (Organ) School of Music Central Michigan University Phone: 517.774.3326 Fax: 517.774.3766 *****************************  
(back) Subject: Re: electronic practice organ From: "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 98 09:13:41 -0800   On Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:58:21 +1100, Owen Jones wrote:   >IMHO it is the time spent in soldering and doing all the wiring which takes >scads of time that is the main cost factor in building an electronic >practice organ.   In a plant contracted to do this work on a job shop basis the boards would be stuffed by machine and then wave soldered. This is not labor intensive.   Grant Chapman    
(back) Subject: Ivories From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:25:14 -0500   Hi, Robert......I have heard of using milk, but I couldn't prove it.    
(back) Subject: Re: Ivories From: "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 98 09:58:11 -0800   On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:25:14 -0500, VEAGUE wrote:   >Hi, Robert......I have heard of using milk,....   I would suggest this only for the sour notes. :-)   Grant Chapman    
(back) Subject: Re: Ivories From: Jim Swist <jswist@quickturn.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:10:48 -0500   Wm. G. Chapman wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:25:14 -0500, VEAGUE wrote: > > >Hi, Robert......I have heard of using milk,.... > > I would suggest this only for the sour notes. :-)   No kidding, drip a little milk between the keys where it can't be wiped up and when it spoils, you will never get rid of the stink.  
(back) Subject: Re: Ivories From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:28:50 -0600   Jim,   you bring up a KEY point here............................   ---------- > From: Jim Swist <jswist@quickturn.com> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: Ivories > Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 12:10 PM > > Wm. G. Chapman wrote: > > > > On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:25:14 -0500, VEAGUE wrote: > > > > >Hi, Robert......I have heard of using milk,.... > > > > I would suggest this only for the sour notes. :-) > > No kidding, drip a little milk between the keys where it can't be wiped > up and when it spoils, you will never get rid of the stink. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: Ivories From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:31:25 -0500   Jim Swist wrote: > > Wm. G. Chapman wrote: > > > > On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:25:14 -0500, VEAGUE wrote: > > > > >Hi, Robert......I have heard of using milk,.... > > > > I would suggest this only for the sour notes. :-) > > No kidding, drip a little milk between the keys where it can't be wiped > up and when it spoils, you will never get rid of the stink. >   ....sounds like an udder failure. In this case "Crying over spilled milk" would be appropriate.  
(back) Subject: 12th Annual Redlands Organ Festival From: "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 98 13:40:59 -0800   The 12th Annual   REDLANDS ORGAN FESTIVAL   will be held the 20th, 21st, 22nd and 23rd of January, 1999 at the University of Redlands, Redlands, California   Information is available from:   Irmegard Jennings Redlands Organ Festival School of Music, University of Redlands P.O. Box 3080 Redlands CA 92373-0999   Some information is available by email at: urdfest@ibm.net                                
(back) Subject: electronic practice organ From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:23:40 EST   To the List, In regards to the inquiry if there would be any interest in a $50,000 - $60,000 2/16 electronic practice organ, <Larry@Challengerltd.com> responds:   "I can see that there is a need to specify a few more details as to the "nature of the beast", so to speak. These are some of the ideas, and a few answers to some of the preliminary questions.   In many of the "replies" there is a reference to tabs controlling such and such number of ranks. We're talking 16 equivalent ranks. The tab count could be anything above that number. And, for relatively little, that could easily become 32 actual equivalent ranks.   The manuals are 61-note AGO fitted with electro-inductive keying. That makes them velocity sensitive. Second touch is also being considered on the theatre model(s), though the classic model(s) could have it as well. While it is true that the veolcity sensitive keyboards are useless for the pipe organ segment of this, it is quite useful in dealing with the MIDI output end of things. The combination machine/processor that is being considered has 32 channels output. That's two banks of 16 channels each. And, each is assignable. That is right on the edge of the electronic keyboard world. Few have such a feature. And, it is quite useful. My MIDI engine is set up with 8 banks.   There are only two voice units that I know about that use more than 16 channels. One is for organ voice and carries 4 banks. The other is an orchestral box that carries 2. These are banks of MIDI, mind you: not banks of voices. Voices, especially for something as simple as a keyboard, are nothing.   There are a number of references to polyphony. The idea of 32-note, or even 64-note polyphony, which is the high end of the electrnoic keyboards, is nothing. With a 16 equivalent rank processor, you are talking 976 note polyphony if you don't add any extensions. With the common 73-note range extension, you are looking at 1168 note polyphony.   Obviously, going to thirty-two equivalent ranks exactly doubles those figures.   Another aspect is couplers. No electronic keyboard that I have found has such a thing. And, the processor at which we are looking affects not only the "organ" stops, but the MIDI stops, as well. And, that includes both inter and intra manual couplers.   Likewise, the processor is full programmable as to MS and LS banks, program number, channel, individual stop transposition, and a number of other things right at the console. And, if you've ever had to deal with some of those aspects of an electronic, you'd know that is quite an advantage.   The idea of adding modulation wheels for MIDI processing has not been considered at this point. However, there is the possibility that such could be an option.   The last aspect that seems to be something that is being missed is that there is a full combination machine in this instrument. You will have general and divisional pistons on multiple levels of memory, expression shoes, crescendo, and a few other niceties. The electronics just don't do that.   Yes, while it is being approached from the viewpoint of going mainly into homes, this is a concert quality instrument.   Adding keyboards is a nothingness. If a three, four, five, or six manual is what is wanted, that isn't much in the way of cost.   I'll digest some more of the info as I get it, and we'll go on."   Is there interest in such an electronic practice organ? Please respond again to <Larry@challengerltd.com>   There seems to be strong interest in some type of practice instrument. Your reactions, pro and con, are helping to crystalize the thinking as to what type, size, etc., instrument would sell.   Again, thank you for you input!!   Stan :-)      
(back) Subject: RE: Ivories From: "William Coale" <wcoale@tir.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:23:28 -0500   How 'bout Ivory Soap???? <g>  
(back) Subject: Re: Best digital church organs? From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:26:20 -0600   Cantuar@aol.com wrote: > > As long as advice is being given, be sure to hear the Ahlborn-Galanti.   Their electronic additions to pipe organs sound even better...that is, as long as the only reason is that there is not room for anymore real pipes...   krc        
(back) Subject: Re: Ivories From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:52:46 -0600   Now there Stan, CUD it out now !       ---------- > From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: Ivories > Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 1:31 PM > > Jim Swist wrote: > > > > Wm. G. Chapman wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:25:14 -0500, VEAGUE wrote: > > > > > > >Hi, Robert......I have heard of using milk,.... > > > > > > I would suggest this only for the sour notes. :-) > > > > No kidding, drip a little milk between the keys where it can't be wiped > > up and when it spoils, you will never get rid of the stink. > > > > ...sounds like an udder failure. In this case "Crying over spilled > milk" would be appropriate. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Ivories From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:35:39 -0500   I was under the impression that ivories are cleaned with a damp cloth - water only, nothing else.  
(back) Subject: Re: Best digital church organs - THANKS! and more info... From: <BILL.S.HOOVER@monsanto.com> Date: 16 Nov 1998 17:55:39 -0600   WOW! What a response! Thanks to the 20+ of you who replied to my first note, just sent Friday! You are a great group of folks! [If you missed it, I had asked for recommendations on digital church organs because our church may very soon be "in the market."] To e-mail me directly with more info/discussion/questions, send to: bill.s.hoover@monsanto.com Several of you asked for more specifics. So here's more info (feel free to forward to vendors): * Our target price range is $15,000 ($20,000 tops). (Probably should've made that clear at the start!) Price should include at least 2 external speakers (if recommended; see sanctuary/loft specs below). * The sanctuary, which seats 300-350, is rectangular (more wide than long) and is very live. Current organ (internal spkrs only) is in loft at rear of sanctuary. Loft is 22'L x 15'D x 12'H and holds 30 choir members on 3 risers. Loft's flat ceiling clears rear riser by 8 or 9 ft. Not much space for pipes (w/o displacing choir members), and $15-20k won't buy much pipe organ, hence we're looking digital. * In addition to general hymn support, I play a lot of German chorales, German Baroque and pre-Baroque, French Genevan Psalms (c.1560), and English hymn arrangements (Vaughan Williams, David Willcocks). Musically, I guess we're a mix of German Lutheran, French/Dutch Reformed, and Anglican. Organ should handle all. To vendors: * Are there dealer showrooms or church installations in or near St. Louis where I can see/hear/play any recommended organ(s) in our price range? Sample CDs? * Who installs and voices the organ? * Who provides ongoing service/parts? Vendors should reply directly to bill.s.hoover@monsanto.com or call me at 314-694-3478. Thanks again to all, Bill Hoover (bill.s.hoover@monsanto.com) St. Louis MO  
(back) Subject: Re: Ivories From: Prestant16@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:07:16 EST   I don't think ivories can really be cleaned so they are white again. The oils in your hand causes the yellowing. Personally, I have no objection to playing an organ with yellow ivory keys. It does not affect the way the organ sounds, just aesthetics. If you really want to CLEAN the keys, a damp rag, maybe with a SMALL amount of bleach (diluted in water about 20:1), to kill germs, not to whiten would be just fine. If you want to try to get the yellow off the keys, Simple Green might work, but I have never tried it. If you want the keys whiter, send them out to be re-covered. -William  
(back) Subject: Ivories From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:07:15 -0500   "William Coale" How 'bout Ivory Soap????   "Robert Eversman" Now there Stan, CUD it out now !   "Judy A. Ollikkala" I was under the impression that ivories are cleaned with a damp cloth - water only, nothing else   To each of you: Bill- That suds me just fine.   Bob- You're right. I deserved being chewed out.   And Judy- Keep your damp cloth to yourself!   :) :) :)   Uh Oh! Are we going to segue into the "Ebony" thread now?!?  
(back) Subject: Re: Best digital church organs - THANKS! and more info... From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:25:04 -0600     > * The sanctuary, which seats 300-350, is rectangular (more wide than > long) and is very live. Current organ (internal spkrs only) is in > loft at rear of sanctuary. Loft is 22'L x 15'D x 12'H and holds 30 > choir members on 3 risers. Loft's flat ceiling clears rear riser by 8 > or 9 ft. Not much space for pipes (w/o displacing choir members), and > $15-20k won't buy much pipe organ, hence we're looking digital.   Actually, you might be suprised how much $15 - 20 K will buy in the way of a pipe organ. Check with the Organ Clearing House - there are all sorts of wonderful instruments for sale for very low prices. It sounds like you have the space for the pipes.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: electronic practice organ From: Owen Jones <owenj@dynamite.com.au> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:13:56 +1100   But usually in only large runs. You can order these kits from Sonic prebuilt, however, thats extra.   Owen   Wm. G. Chapman wrote:   > On Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:58:21 +1100, Owen Jones wrote: > > >IMHO it is the time spent in soldering and doing all the wiring which takes > >scads of time that is the main cost factor in building an electronic > >practice organ. > > In a plant contracted to do this work on a job shop basis the boards > would be stuffed by machine and then wave soldered. This is not labor > intensive. > > Grant Chapman > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Ivories From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:09:24 -0500 (EST)   this is more hearsay... however, I've heard that toothpaste, very carefully applied is ideal for ivories. Are they dirty, or simply aged. I don't mind yellowed keys, sorta makes the instrument look properly aged!   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o d o g s ______________ o o h o o a o o ______________ o o p s   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............     Anybody who doesn't know what soap tastes like never washed a dog. -- Franklin P. Jones