PipeChat Digest #605 - Sunday, November 22, 1998
 
Re: Mr. Scarbourough's humor
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Jims Chrysoglottes
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: more Diaphones
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Subject: Wurlitzers, Diaphones and Chrysoglottes, OH MY!
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: The Enemy of Pipe Organs
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Chrysoglott
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Fwd: Tannenberg organ
  by "Clarice Jane Snyder" <snyder@skyenet.net>
Re: Widor & Faure
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinel@theatreorgans.com>
re: The enemy of pipe organs
  by "Scottish Theatre Organ Preservation Society" <mail@stops.org>
Re: Mr. Scarbourough's humor
  by "Charles Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Mr. Scarbourough's humor
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: Mr. Scarbourough's humor
  by "Charles Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net>
Organ and Bagpipes
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Mr. Scarbourough's humor
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: Trackers
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
koehnken & grimm
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
RCMH Curtain in the Alabama Theatre
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Which Reed Do I Need?
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: RCMH Curtain in the Alabama Theatre
  by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net>
Re: Organ and Bagpipes
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
John Speller           Koehnken & Grimm
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Many of us need to know more about WICKS !!
  by "Paul F. Stapel" <pstapel@spectra.net>
Who do I contact?? (X-Posted)
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Looking for music (x-post)
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Mr. Scarbourough's humor From: Adrianne Schutt <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 07:20:20 -0800   At 11:35 PM 11/20/98 -0500, KriderSM@aol.com wrote: >If the >Pipeorg-l mentality has spread to the Pipechat, then I will permanently resign >from Pipechat. \!/ (tail wagging happy dog icon) What an adorable little icon! FWIW, I remember jumping ship from piporg-l when this list started because piporg-l's BQ (bitchiness quotient) had become unbearable.   >Humor and the concept of shared laughter is also a primary goal. \!/ Yup, according to http://www.pipechat.org/netiquet.html :)   >You think you've been belittled, what about me??? I'm a Wurlitzer lover in a >Cassavant world. :-( Try being a Hammond lover on a predominately pipe list sometime!! ;-> Oh heck, I might as well admit it.....I own 2 tonewheel Hammonds...2 tube Leslies....and....a Korg. So take your best shot--unleash the charmades! ;-> (looking for a "heading for the bomb shelter" icon while grinning, running, and ducking)   >Neither have I ever met Mr. Scarbourough, never have >discussed MY business with him, and have neither had dealings of any type with >him. Yet, I thoroughally enjoy his wry and dry humor, ESPECIALLY when he aims >it at me. Being someone who spends a couple hours/day with Bob in the Hammond IRC channel (runs 24/7 due to the global distribution and daily schedules of the members), I think I'm qualified to say that he certainly isn't a mean-spirited person. He's just in posession of a wickedly dry sense of haha (which I also enjoy). ;->   >>I will no longer contribute to this chat as long as Mr. Scarbourough is a >>member that chooses to exhibit this sort of behavior. Please do something >>aboout it now or I will permanently resign from this chat. I could've sworn this was part of the ...shall we just say "uptight"... piporg-l attitude this list was formed as an oasis from. Of course, I was off for a year putting an end to this kind of behaviour on the Hammond List...maybe things have changed here and I just haven't noticed yet. I'll certainly say the happy, jokey, organ-ic messages arriving in my email from PipeChat is something I look forward to!   Speaking of simple pleasures....maybe this'd be a good time for us all to curl up for some quality time with the organ of our personal choice and a copy of "All I Really Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarten" by Robert Fulghum. One of the main "lessons" is to "Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some." I think if we all applied the "play" ingredient to our organs, maybe we'd all feel better. :)   Have fun! Ad (whose URL's "short version" is currently down) ;-> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/3755/    
(back) Subject: Jims Chrysoglottes From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 08:00:30 -0500   Hi Jim. A chrysoglotte is a tuned percussion stop. Much like a xylophone, except for flat metal bars. These are struck with felt hammers, giving it a soft, harp-sustained sound. Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: more Diaphones From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 08:24:03 -0600   >Hi, Charles.... I would think the 64 ' resultant at Wannamakers would >really rattle the jewelery cases! Atlantic City's beast has kickers on their >Mucho Grosso Profundo Basso's to get them started. Rick Ain't this >fun???? >   You can see the beaters for the 64' Diaphone in the Atlantic City Convention Hall Midmer-Losh organ at: http://www.acchos.org/pedch1.html   When I was there earlier this month and took the two photos of the beaters, I didn't see anything that resembled a "kick starter" to get them going. They do put out a awesome sound and provided you have good sub-woofers you will be able to hear them on the CD that will be released next Spring of the Midmer-Losh.   David ********************** David Scribner Director of Communications Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ Society http://www.acchos.org/ info@acchos.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Subject: Wurlitzers, Diaphones and Chrysoglottes, OH MY! From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 09:45:50 -0600   KriderSM@aol.com wrote:   > A diaphone is a theatrical rank extending usually from a Diapason tenor F down   I think it would make a nice home in some classical organs. Someone should try it once. If they don't like it, they can take it out...that's the the good thing about pipe organs.   > to the bottom of a 16' or 32' rank. It contains an unusual reed action which   Or 64' ;-)   > consists of a metal tongue 5 - 7" long, about 1/4 - 1/2" thick and 1" wide > attached to a metal frame on one end, and holding a metal, leather-covered > disc on the other end. When blown, this disc is forced against a hole and back   Wellllll. Ours at the Alabama Theatre have wood beaters. This is a 4/23 WurliTzer.   > Yes, there is a difference in the tone quality of Diaphones from the open > Diapason sound to the Diaphone sound. One notices it only when running the > scale. During normal playing the break is not noticed.   I think they are the most beautiful bass reed stops available. > To most classical organists, it probably sounds like tuned fog horns. The list > has already confirmed the history of this rank.   That's like our church organist not using the 16' Posuane. She says it sounds "ugly" when played ALONE. She has NEVER tried it with the rest of the organ to see what it sounds like with other ranks playing. But, she never notices when I use it... Go figure.....   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com        
(back) Subject: Re: The Enemy of Pipe Organs From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 09:50:44 -0600   VEAGUE wrote: > > Stan... Many church people have no idea how delicate these instruments > are. Because they are big, people tend to think they are indestructable. I > have seen ranks of treble upper work wiped out from some dufus construction > guy walking on them, coats and tool belts tossed over pipework, etc. I WANNA > SCREAM!!!   I guess their ideas of "pipes" are different from organ pipes. They probably think they are as strong as water mains...until they step on one. Then they just stick it back in the hole and say nothing about it.   krc        
(back) Subject: Chrysoglott From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:02:54 -0600   > > Also, I've seen several mentions of Chrysoglottes recently. > > I presume this is a percussion stop? Of what type?   They are commonly placed in the same category as the harp (organ harp, not real harp).   krc      
(back) Subject: Fwd: Tannenberg organ From: Clarice Jane Snyder <snyder@skyenet.net> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:49:26 -0600   Here is something on one of my genealogy lists that I thought might be of interest to someone.   >From: SCMATSON@aol.com >Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:03:39 EST >Old-To: GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Tannenberg organ >Several times on this list organs made by Tannenberg have been mentioned. For those of us who don't live close to Hebron Lutheran Church, there is a Tannenberg on display through March, 1999 at the Museum of Early Southern Decorative Arts in Winston-Salem, NC. The museum is located adjacent to Old Salem so it is quite easy to see both. My understanding is that the organ is to be restored. It was originally in Home Church (the Moravian Church located in Old Salem). By the way, the museum is well worth your time as it exhibits actual rooms from homes typical of the times. Rooms exhibited come from MD on down the Eastern seaboard to Charleston, SC.   Hi, It's fine with me to forward the info on the Tannenberg organ to Pipechat. I'm not an organist, but know a little about organs. The single men's building at Old Salem has an old organ that is still used-not a Tannenberg though. Home Church from which the Tannenberg was removed now has an Aeolian- Skinner. I don't know the number of ranks or pipes though.   Suzanne Collins Matson   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Clarice Jane Snyder mailto:snyder@skyenet.net Web pages: (Music) http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/2059 (Genealogy) http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/n/y/Clarice-J-Snyder Harrison County, Indiana http://www.rootsweb.com/~inharris/surname.html See the above for my Shenandoah Valley VA, Washington Co.TN-NC, Harrison, Floyd, Crawford Co. IN and Meade Co, KY surnames.  
(back) Subject: Re: Widor & Faure From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinel@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:13:48 -0000   > I've been told by several Francophiles of the "colorful" relationship > that existed between Widor (Titulaire) and Faure (Choir Organist) at > Saint Suplice, Paris. Can anyone provide information on the duelling > organs that took place between Widor and Faure? I'm told they didn't > get along at all, and tried to set one another up in the usual > improvisations back and forth during the liturgy. Any comments?     I personally don't know much about their relationship, but my organ teacher's organ teacher's organ teacher was Faure, maybe he knows!?   He e-mail address is: simon.johnson@mcmail.com you could e-mail him if desperate.   Richard Pinel    
(back) Subject: re: The enemy of pipe organs From: "Scottish Theatre Organ Preservation Society" <mail@stops.org> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:37:20 -0000   Hi Wurli Stan & list.   regarding your problem tuning the organ with spotlights focussed onto = it.   2 things.   1st. Where is the blower, is it drawing fresh air or recycled (ie HOT) = air into the instrument. Due to the compression, any turbine heats the = air it is compressing. Most 'good' blower manufacturers try to minimise = this effect in their design, but heating still occurs. If air at room = temperature is drawn into the blower, it will rise considerably before = reaching the pipes. We all know what the effect of heating the pipes = has on tuning!!   2nd. Try to be kind to the church in question. Suggest to them, that = to alleviate the problem of heat from the lighting instruments causing = damage to the pipework from either overheating or just from affecting = the tuning,. that they should change the lighting instrument from a = standard 'theatrical type of spotlight' to a 'display type' which latter = use low voltage luminaires with lower heat outputs. =20   Hope this helps.   Larry=20   PS Anyone requiring guidance on lighting pipe organs, try = www.northernlight.co.uk.     SCOTTISH THEATRE ORGAN PRESERVATION SOCIETY Help us to Preserve the History, Traditions, and Craftsmanship of yesterday for the Generations of Tomorrow and the NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF THEATRE ORGAN STUDIES=20 Taking the Theatre Pipe Organ into the 21st Century   See us on the World Wide Web at < www.stops.org >   =20    
(back) Subject: Re: Mr. Scarbourough's humor From: "Charles Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:24:31 -0500   -----Original Message----- From: Adrianne Schutt <maybe@pipcom.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Mr. Scarbourough's humor     > Try being a Hammond lover on a predominately pipe list sometime!! ;->     Pipes? Sorry, no room. And we're planning on moving. OTOH, I have studied the dimensions of small trackers . . . . *hopes my wife isn't reading!*   I have a Yamaha PF-85 E. Piano for club dates, A Yamaha CS-70 that I USED to take out on club dates, before I decided the thing was too stinkin heavy. A Fender Rhodes stage 73 A Korg MP-4 lead synthesizer (one of the last of that dead species) Roland Juno 60 (again a dinosaur) Korg CX-3 Hammond alike Yamaha TX-216 (that's 2 DX-7's in a rack mounted unit)   My wife is less than enthusiastic about adding to the collection. And I'm frankly torn between a 6~7' Piano and some kind of organ.     Charles    
(back) Subject: Re: Mr. Scarbourough's humor From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:57:27 -0800   At 04:24 PM 11/21/98 -0500, Charles Krug wrote:   >I have a Yamaha PF-85 E. Piano for club dates, >A Yamaha CS-70 that I USED to take out on club dates, before I decided the >thing was too stinkin heavy. >A Fender Rhodes stage 73 >A Korg MP-4 lead synthesizer (one of the last of that dead species) >Roland Juno 60 (again a dinosaur) >Korg CX-3 Hammond alike >Yamaha TX-216 (that's 2 DX-7's in a rack mounted unit) > >My wife is less than enthusiastic about adding to the collection. And I'm >frankly torn between a 6~7' Piano and some kind of organ.   Someone get this man some tonewheels! An RT console will do nicely. hehehe! Oh, yeah, don't forget the Leslie....   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Mr. Scarbourough's humor From: "Charles Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:32:02 -0500       >>My wife is less than enthusiastic about adding to the collection. And I'm >>frankly torn between a 6~7' Piano and some kind of organ. > >Someone get this man some tonewheels! An RT console will do nicely. hehehe! >Oh, yeah, don't forget the Leslie....     Forgot! Have a 147 cabinet that I had "roadified"--replaced the console interface with a speed footswitch. And I have one they made special for Conn with a blown amp. Seems the "repairman" at my last church replaced the power tubes with the wrong filiment voltatge. Did they glow BRIGHT for about five seconds.   The CX-3 has an excellent Leslie simulator--they even got the speed-up and speed-down just about right.   Charles      
(back) Subject: Organ and Bagpipes From: DudelK@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:13:57 EST   A while back there was some discussion about music for organ and bagpipes. I have found the copy of "Highland Cathedral" that was used at a wedding I played with two pipers piping. The person who asked for a copy may e-mail me privately.  
(back) Subject: Re: Mr. Scarbourough's humor From: Adrianne Schutt <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:18:19 -0800   At 05:32 PM 11/21/98 -0500, Charles Krug wrote: >>>My wife is less than enthusiastic about adding to the collection. And I'm >>>frankly torn between a 6~7' Piano and some kind of organ. Forget the piano....get some tonewheels. You can get pretty good piano sims these days, but they still can't get the warmth and life out of a clone that a 50 year old Hammond kicks out. If you find a Hammond made before 1945, there's no lower foldback.....the keyboard bass goes allllllllllll the way down. :)   >>Someone get this man some tonewheels! An RT console will do nicely. Come on now, Bob....can anyone REALLY be happy with just one expression pedal? Even I want more than one, and we all know my playing's laughable at best. I'd have to reccommend a model E....if you can find one (only 750 made between 55 and 60 years ago). E's are the only model with 2 expression pedals, a gt to ped coupler, or toe pistons. Add that to having 32 peds, bass that "goes all the way", and the most beautiful woodwork Hammond ever turned out (pics on my page if you're interested), and they're a gorgeous beast to have (ok, so I'm prejudiced....I'm in love with mine). Mine's in the middle of having vibrato added....the "tremulant" it was made with is abominable.   >The CX-3 has an excellent Leslie simulator--they even got the speed-up and >speed-down just about right. IMHO the Leslie sim in my CX-3 isn't very good....but then I have a 122 and a 147, so I guess I'm spoiled. :) Gotta admit, the fast speed on the CX-3 does manage an interesting celeste-ish effect.   Have fun! Ad (whose URL's "short version" is still down) ;-> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/3755/      
(back) Subject: Re: Trackers From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:22:23 -0600 (CST)   At 11:22 PM 11/20/98 -0500, Rick wrote:   >I service a small Koehnken & Grimm 1m 5r tracker in a Catholic church in >Enochsburg, Indiana. Self-contained in a @ 12x12x15 case. Very accessable, >very light touch, one pedal coupler. Made in 1873. Nicely fills the old >granite building. Rick dutchorgan@svs.net   Very interesting. I have not heard of this instrument and it does not as far as I know on the Organ Historical Society's database. Would you mind posting a few more details such as the name of the church and perhaps the stop list if you can remember it?   John.    
(back) Subject: koehnken & grimm From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:49:21 -0500   Hi... Been a while since I've been there--no problems with the instrument. 1 manual-56 keys, 30 note pedal, manual to pedal coupler, 16 ' bourdon, 4 ' chimney flute, 8 ' open diap., 8 ' melodia--can't recall the rest. No reeds. St. Johns Catholic Church, Enochsburg, Indiana. Rick    
(back) Subject: RCMH Curtain in the Alabama Theatre From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:46:39 -0600   Well, it's been in the plans, and finally, I'm getting to write about this subject.   The Alabama theatre recently underwent a major restoration. One small piece of the process was the replacement of the red and gold main curtain and valance, as well as the organ curtains. New organ curtains, that are supposed to be 99 percent sound transparent, have been installed. The main curtain, in the similar gold color to the origional that was there in the 20's, was also replaced. BUT, there's always something interesting about everything in the Alabama. The main curtain came from Radio City Music Hall! No, it never hung in the actual stage area, but it, instead, is the curtain they have up now. (Have I confused everyone yet?)   Years ago, when RCMH wanted another curtain, they had the infamous special weave cloth made for their new curtain. The company would only do it in bulk. So, they had 1.5 times as much as they needed. The rest was simply cut off and stored away. Well, our theatre masters know the person who stored this big piece of yarn, and it ended up heading for the Alabama Theatre in a big box, all 101 thousand dollars worth. But, it was absolutely free (except shipping)! Our stage is almost exactly half the width of RCMH, and about the same height, so everything fit perfectly...   The 4/23 Publix I console was restored as well at Crome's in Nevada. It looks pretty good too. (But we are still getting those "the organ sounds the same to me" comments.) Anyway, ask any questions, I know someone who can answer them. ;-)   Kevin Cartwright Greenville, Alabama kevin1@alaweb.com ----------------------------- RADIO SHACK: You've got questions, we've got questions, but not the right answers...      
(back) Subject: Re: Which Reed Do I Need? From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:26:41 -0500 (EST)   Congrats on your new Hobo....   (oops! this needs to be organic)   um... it he a Hobo d' Amour?? (whew!)   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o d o g s ______________ o o h o o a o o ______________ o o p s   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............     Anybody who doesn't know what soap tastes like never washed a dog. -- Franklin P. Jones    
(back) Subject: Re: RCMH Curtain in the Alabama Theatre From: usd465@horizon.hit.net (Frank Johnson) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:38:33 -0500   Our stage is almost exactly >half the width of RCMH, and about the same height, so everything fit >perfectly... >     Kevin, what an interesting story. Thanks for sharing.   Frank   Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: Re: Organ and Bagpipes From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:32:21 -0800   At 07:13 PM 11/21/98 EST, DudelK@aol.com wrote: >A while back there was some discussion about music for organ and bagpipes. I >have found the copy of "Highland Cathedral" that was used at a wedding I >played with two pipers piping.<snip>   Hope you had some sorta mute on them pipers indoors! They'd make a ophecliede sound whimpy!!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: John Speller Koehnken & Grimm From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:35:59 -0500   Hi, John... I have purchased a lot of leather from Columbia. Great quality. Use it on repairs, and on an roll-playing "Dutch street organ" I am building, and for player piano work. That little Koehnken is a joy to play...light action, beautiful sound in an old granite building. A happy customer, Rick Veague    
(back) Subject: Many of us need to know more about WICKS !! From: "Paul F. Stapel" <pstapel@spectra.net> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:59:27 -0500   Sat Night 11/21/98   I'm a few days late but I need to come out of my lurking to remind Randy T and others that the WICKS Organ Company produces a really fine all digital instrument as well as in combination with any number of pipe ranks which work really well together, doesn't have to cost $50,000 (although can certainly be more expensive if you wish), can be entirely custom built and voiced ( again at more cost) and furthermore is just about 40 miles from RandyT's domicile where you can go hear one in action in their demonstration building. With no high pressure tactics thrown in -- call Jack Jenkins, National Sales Manager 618 654 2191 and set up a visit..   Noting that WICKS organs seem to last and last, 'way beyond their voicing age, should tell you something about their construction... still true today PLUS you get all the newest systems with WICK's tried and true testing backng them up.   So please don't put down a company which is still here, didn't mis-manage itself to death and still produces a product which is always quality and can be as fancy as you are able to pay for.   Paul Stapel, Binghamton, NY, 607 773 1495 Fax 607 772 6501 Sales Director for Mid and East up state New York...call collect!!              
(back) Subject: Who do I contact?? (X-Posted) From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:54:33 -0600   Dear Lists:   In a short while, I plan to embark on a lengthy delivery trip out east, and part of my itinerary will take me near Altoona, PA. I would very much like to take the opportunity to visit the fabulous Steinmeyer organ in the Cathedral there.   Can anyone write me privately as to who I may contact, especially if they have an EMAIL address. I'm probably running out of time to write a letter, but failing an EMAIL Address, a telephone number would be appreciated.   Thanks in advance for the anticipated helpfulness I've grown accustomed and appreciative of.   Faithfully,   Richard Schneider    
(back) Subject: Looking for music (x-post) From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:48:59 -0700   I need some help finding a music collection. Unfortunately I don't know the title. It was published by G. Schirmer, and was a collection containing (among many others) the following:   "Now Thank We All Our God" Karg-Elert "Tocatta & Fugue in D Minor" Bach "Fugue in G Minor" Bach "Prelude & Fugue in E Minor" (The Cathedral) Bach "Christmas in Sicily" Yon   It has a catalog # (I Think) of 44654. My copy has not stood the test of time very well, and I need to replace it. Does anyone have a copy in decent condition they want to sell, or know where I can get one?   Dennis Goward     Dennis Goward Business: http://www.desertsoft.net Personal: http://www.desertsoft.net/personal