PipeChat Digest #538 - Thursday, October 1, 1998
 
Information Needed (X-Posted)
  by "W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net>
Hymn intros--inversions (Was Re: Jesse's arranging)
  by "Tim Rand" <tim@minn.net>
Spanish organs
  by "Tim Rand" <tim@minn.net>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted)
  by "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted)
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted)
  by "John (Jack) Cormack" <jackjack@erols.com>
 


(back) Subject: Information Needed (X-Posted) From: "W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:42:50 -0400   Fellow Organers,   Recently a man died and gave the contents of his house to the Florida Marine Resources Council. Among the items was a c. 1968 Allen theatre organ. An Estate Sale was held last week and the organ was priced at $100. It did not sell and remains in the house. My mother who works for their thrift shop told me about it and I am now in the process of looking it over and deciding if it is sellable or if it is a piece of junk. I have been offered it for free which is a good price considering that the value is about $1500 to $2000.   I will post the stoplist below off the 1960's sale promotion card that I got. I have not looked at it yet so I don't know its condition or what stops it has exactly. It is not a digital organ and it has both internal and external speakers. I will report more later. However, if any of you know anything about this model of organ please e-mail me. I'd like as much info about it as possible. If I don't get it, the organ will probably go up for sale. Thanks!   ALLEN ORGAN COMPANY-----MODLE THEATRE 15-----c. 1968   SOLO   Bourdon 16' Flute 8' Diapason 8' Gamba 8' Trumpet 8' Oboe 8' Clarinet 8' Quinte 5 1/3' Flute 4' Twelfth 2 2/3' Piccolo 2' Larigot 1 1/3' Fife 1' Flutes Become Tibia (!!!) Marimba Glockenspiel Xylophone Chrysoglott Carillon Sustain Repeat (Slow) Repeat (Fast) Chiff   ACCOMPANIMENT Lieblich Gedeckt 16' Flute 8' String Diapason 8' Flute 4' Twelfth 2 2/3' Piccolo 2' Larigot 1 1/3' Fife 1' Softer   PEDAL Bourdon 16' Lieblich Gedeckt 16' Flute 8' Quint 5 1/3' Flute 4'   EFFECTS Sleigh Bells (Accomp) Presence Projector   GENERALS Tremolo Vibrato Solo Tremolo   There are more availble options that are not on the basic model these include   Calliope Pedal Cymbal Crash Cymbal Coupler 4' Snare Drum Roll Breath Accent Wood Block Bass Drum Tom-Tom Castanets Sand Block   I don't know what it has exactly but I'll find out when I see it. Please let me know what you know about it! Notice it has the famous Flutes become Tibias tab!!!   Sincerely,   Will Scarboro ************************************************************** Will Scarboro--Organ Historian American Municipal Pipe Organ Research Project Organist, Pineda Presbyterian Church-Melbourne, FL 1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow **************************************************************    
(back) Subject: Hymn intros--inversions (Was Re: Jesse's arranging) From: "Tim Rand" <tim@minn.net> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:09:05 -0500   > Ralph: > Would this technique of intro do for hymn introductions? No > reason why not, I suppose, except that the congregation may wonder if > I am introducing the same hymn they're fixing to sing! I'm anxious to > sit down and try it. > Hope you will go ahead with the echo melody that you mentioned.   > These techniques are really designed for modern arranging or theater organ. > Depending on the kind of music your church features, it may or may not be a > viable approach.   When I have been subbing at a church where a free hymn intro is customary (such as Mt. Olive Lutheran, Minneapolis), I have sometimes used this inversion technique to introduce the harmony and mask the melody.   I use an ABA form in which the A's are the inversions of the hymn melody with the same harmony and the B is the "normal" hymn with melody solo on a colorful stop. The first A is the first half of the inverted hymn and second A is the remaining half. This works quite well when you've got some time to kill, such as during communion hymn sings...THEN, if you're still adventurous, you can use the A's as a hymn accompaniment during singing since the inverted melody serves as a nice descant (which can be soloed out on a louder colorful stop if you have the resources).   I've found that you needn't fuss over how exact the inversion is, just so long as the inverted melody moves in contrary motion to the hymn melody and you keep the harmony the same. If the hymntune melody starts low, start high with the iversion so that you don't "run out of notes" in the range you mean to be playing, and vice versa. It's really not as complicated as it sounds once you fool around with this technique a bit, and it can be a lot of fun.   ___ Tim Rand Minneapolis    
(back) Subject: Spanish organs From: "Tim Rand" <tim@minn.net> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:09:27 -0500   I have the good fortune of being able to travel in Spain (leaving Oct. 19). I don't know if my itinerary will allow much time for organ crawling, but does anyone in the know have suggestions for organs to see? Any European chatters out there or domestic world travelers?   ___ Tim Rand Minneapolis    
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) From: "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:12:24 -0400   Hi Will I'm afraid I won't be of much help to you, but I seem to remember that the same organ was offered in a spinet horseshoe configuration as well as a console. I recall that it was a pretty decent sounding little organ and sounding much like tha Gulbransen competitor at the time except that the Gulbransen used a Leslie rather than the speaker on a spinning disc type of thing. Neither of the two sound much like a theater pipe, of course, but I did like the sound of the Gulbransen better. That was around the time that the Gulbransen Rialto was selling quite well. My good friend Norm Nelson still has a Rialto, as a matter of fact.   for what it's worth   Ralph Martin        
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:35:14 EDT   Hi Ralph,   I recently repaired a Gulbransen Rialto for our church organist. I have to agree with you as far as the comparison between the Gulbransen Rialto and its' Allen competitor. I was particularly impressed with the quality of construction and the sound. The Rialto with its' special 4 channel Leslie cabinet produced a sound that more closely approximated a TO sound than any other electronic organ of that particular era; in my opinion.. Had there been a Gulbransen dealer in my area at that time, I would have bought a Rialto rather than the Hammond B3 or Baldwin HT2R.   Phil L.  
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) From: "John (Jack) Cormack" <jackjack@erols.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:36:16 -0400   At 04:42 PM 9/30/98 -0400, Will Scarboro wrote: > Fellow Organers, > > Recently a man died and gave the contents of his house to the >Florida Marine Resources Council. Among the items was a c. 1968 Allen >theatre organ. An Estate Sale was held last week and the organ was >priced at $100. It did not sell and remains in the house. My mother >who works for their thrift shop told me about it and I am now in the >process of looking it over and deciding if it is sellable or if it is >a piece of junk. I have been offered it for free which is a good >price considering that the value is about $1500 to $2000. ===================================================   Will:   From the stop list it sounds very similar to a "church" model that we bought about the same time. An important consideration is whether or not all of the sounds are generated from one or two tone generators. The Allen that I had used only one tone generator, so in effect everything was highly unified. My organ's clarinet was just the 8 ft, 2-2/3 and 1-3/5 all called up at the same time. The diapason was the 8ft and 4ft called up at the same time. The trumpet was the 8ft clipped to be a modified square wave, then filtered to remove some of the higher harmonics. Similarly for the oboe. The reed/string stops were mechanically keyed and caused key clicks so I designed and built a transistor keyer that controlled the rise and decay time to eliminate the key clicks. I suspect the "flutes become tibias" is the same as mine that keyed the 2-2/3 oscillator at about half amplitude along with full amplitude of the 8ft note. Mine called it "flutes become stopped" ! Chiff was a "capacitor keyed" 1-3/5 pitch that rapidly exponentially decayed to zero. When the keying started the capacitor was fully charged at the 12 volt level and decayed to zero in around a second or so of time. So much for the technical characteristics. Considering the price as free, you can't go wrong!   Sincerely,   Jack Cormack ================================================== > I will post the stoplist below off the 1960's sale promotion >card that I got. I have not looked at it yet so I don't know its >condition or what stops it has exactly. It is not a digital organ and >it has both internal and external speakers. I will report more later. >However, if any of you know anything about this model of organ please >e-mail me. I'd like as much info about it as possible. If I don't get >it, the organ will probably go up for sale. Thanks! > > ALLEN ORGAN COMPANY-----MODLE THEATRE 15-----c. 1968 > > SOLO > >Bourdon 16' >Flute 8' >Diapason 8' >Gamba 8' >Trumpet 8' >Oboe 8' >Clarinet 8' >Quinte 5 1/3' >Flute 4' >Twelfth 2 2/3' >Piccolo 2' >Larigot 1 1/3' >Fife 1' >Flutes Become Tibia (!!!) >Marimba >Glockenspiel >Xylophone >Chrysoglott >Carillon >Sustain >Repeat (Slow) >Repeat (Fast) >Chiff > >ACCOMPANIMENT >Lieblich Gedeckt 16' >Flute 8' >String Diapason 8' >Flute 4' >Twelfth 2 2/3' >Piccolo 2' >Larigot 1 1/3' >Fife 1' >Softer > >PEDAL >Bourdon 16' >Lieblich Gedeckt 16' >Flute 8' >Quint 5 1/3' >Flute 4' > >EFFECTS >Sleigh Bells (Accomp) >Presence Projector > >GENERALS >Tremolo >Vibrato >Solo Tremolo > >There are more availble options that are not on the basic model these >include > >Calliope >Pedal Cymbal >Crash Cymbal >Coupler 4' >Snare Drum Roll >Breath Accent >Wood Block >Bass Drum >Tom-Tom >Castanets >Sand Block > >I don't know what it has exactly but I'll find out when I see it. >Please let me know what you know about it! Notice it has the famous >Flutes become Tibias tab!!! > >Sincerely, > >Will Scarboro >************************************************************** >Will Scarboro--Organ Historian >American Municipal Pipe Organ Research Project >Organist, Pineda Presbyterian Church-Melbourne, FL >1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow >************************************************************** > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >