PipeChat Digest #540 - Saturday, October 3, 1998
 
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted)
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Hancock & Tritle at St. Agnes-10/5, X-Posted
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
NOTICE!
  by "W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted)
  by "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted)
  by "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted)
  by "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com>
Carlo Curley Concert near Houston
  by "VINCENT S PARKS, III" <legacyhouston@pdq.net>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted)
  by <GHamil9709@aol.com>
OFF TOPIC: MS Publisher ?
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
Re: NOTICE! (reply)
  by "KARL W KELLER" <kwkeller@juno.com>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd
  by "James Grebe" <pianoman@inlink.com>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd
  by "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd
  by "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd
  by "Jerry" <aqne@waveinter.com>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted)
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re:  Gulbransen Model F Church Organ
  by <GHamil9709@aol.com>
Re:  Gulbransen Model F Church Organ
  by <GHamil9709@aol.com>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd back
  by "James Grebe" <pianoman@inlink.com>
Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd back
  by "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:23:27 EDT   Ralph, Thanks for the info. Also,while working on the Gulbransen, I noticed that the plug in connectors are exactly the same as used by Peterson. I also noticed they were made by Molex and carried the same part number. Molex Corp. would not sell me any of these connectors to use on the solid state relay I was building for my WurliTzer, as they were a priority part manufactured for Peterson only. The next time I contacted Peterson ,to order connectors, I mentioned that I noticed these same parts in a Gulbransen organ. I was informed that Peterson was at one time connected with Gulbransen. I don't remember exactly what his position was in the company. It's a small world indeed.   Later, Phil L.  
(back) Subject: Hancock & Tritle at St. Agnes-10/5, X-Posted From: ManderUSA@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:28:53 EDT   Dear List,   This Monday night, October 5th, at 7:30, Gerre Hancock and Kent Tritle will share the opening recital on the new Mander organ at St. Agnes Roman Catholic Church, at 143 E. 43rd Street, just a few steps east of Grand Central Station in New York City. Admission at the door is $25.   In the 1920s, an earlier church on the site burned with, I believe, a large and significant organ, destroyed in the fire. Somewhere in Agnes Armstrong's Guilmant Calendar (which I cannot now locate), is a notation about Guilmant playing Sunday High Mass on this instrument. In 1926, Hook & Hastings No. 1519 was installed, and in 1949, much of the pipework from this instrument was incorporated into AEolian-Skinner Opus 1183. On December 10, 1982, the church went up in flames yet again. Last Christmas, the new building, described gleefully by the Pastor as "pre-Vatican II Romanesque," was opened for business (with a lovely pre-Vatican II acoustic, and you can be sure, lots of post-Vatican II smoke detectors), and at the Easter Vigil this year, the new organ was used publically for the first time. You can find a photograph, description, and stoplist in the September issue of The American Organist magazine.   Monday's program:   *Gerre Hancock: De Grigny - Veni Creator (5 movements) Bach - Two Schubler Chorals Meine Seele Kommst du nun *Kent Tritle: Reger - Introduction and Passacaglia in D minor Intermission *Kent Tritle: Brahms - O Welt, ich muss dich lassen Franck - Chorale No. 3 in A minor *Gerre Hancock: A four movement symphony (Introduction, Sonata Allegro, Adagio, Fugue) on themes submitted by Rick Porterfield, Organist of St. Agnes, who tells me they will be mostly Gregorian themes.   I think it will be a good idea to arrive early to get a ticket and find a seat. The building is not huge.   I hope to see some of you there,   Malcolm Wechsler N. P. Mander, Ltd. - U. S. A.  
(back) Subject: NOTICE! From: "W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:51:09 -0400     Those of you who wish to continue posting about stuff not related to my orginal post. PLEASE change the subject line to a related topic that your message deals with. My subject line should only be used by those who are addressing my questions as set in my post. Thanks!   Sincerely,   Will Scarboro ************************************************************** Will Scarboro--Organ Historian American Municipal Pipe Organ Research Project Organist, Pineda Presbyterian Church-Melbourne, FL 1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow **************************************************************      
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) From: "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:59:14 -0400   Hi Bob Nope...Gulbransen was before that model of Allen. They were the first.   The present day Gulbransen really sounds nothing like the original. It's really the Elka with new cabinet and the Gulbransen name. I wish I could remember the name of the retail chain, but it escapes me at the moment. I do know they're quite large. They had originally intended to be the US distributor for Gulbransen but either changed their minds or were not successful acting as a rep organization and decided to merely use the brand in their own stores.   best Ralph Martin        
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) From: "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:04:28 -0400   Hi Phil I remember that he did some design work for Gulbransen for awhile. This was during the time that Peterson connectors were all through the organ. I think he was responsible for the small theater that was diode keyed. Don't remember the name of it now.   best Ralph Martin        
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) From: "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:05:23 -0400   Phil I remembered the name after pressing "send". It was the "Theatrum"   Ralph        
(back) Subject: Carlo Curley Concert near Houston From: "VINCENT S PARKS, III" <legacyhouston@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:01:13 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BDEE0D.1DE87100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Not pipes, but still of interest!   Carlo Curley will be dedicating a new 3-manual Allen Renaissance Organ = on Sunday, November 1st, at 4:00 pm. The concert is at Holy Comforter = Lutheran Church, 1901 Woodland Hills Drive, in Kingwood, Texas. The = console is highly visible in the front of the church, though seating is = somewhat limited. The church phone for information is 281-358-6500. =20   When he played in Houston this spring, 700 folks showed up and CHEERED = Carlo's performance. Not exactly commonplace at an organ concert, but = not much about Carlo is commonplace! =20   Vince Parks, Houston, TX VPARKS@prodigy.net   ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BDEE0D.1DE87100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Not pipes, but still of = interest!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Carlo Curley will be dedicating a = new 3-manual=20 Allen Renaissance Organ on Sunday, November 1st, at 4:00 pm.&nbsp; The = concert=20 is at Holy Comforter Lutheran Church, 1901 Woodland Hills Drive, in = Kingwood,=20 Texas.&nbsp; The console is highly visible in the front of the church, = though=20 seating is somewhat limited.&nbsp; The church phone for information is=20 281-358-6500.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>When he played in Houston this = spring, 700 folks=20 showed up and CHEERED Carlo's performance.&nbsp; Not exactly commonplace = at an=20 organ concert, but not much about Carlo is commonplace!&nbsp; = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Vince Parks, Houston, = TX</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 = size=3D2>VPARKS@prodigy.net</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BDEE0D.1DE87100--    
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) From: GHamil9709@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:56:09 EDT   In a message dated 10/2/98 6:25:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time, ORGANUT@aol.com writes:   << I was informed that Peterson was at one time connected with Gulbransen. I don't remember exactly what his position was in the company. It's a small world indeed. >>   Precisely so! Peterson designed the solid-state circuitry and sold the idea to Gulbransen --- and they brought out the first solid-state spinet on the market. He was the "Father" of the Gulbransen organ line. Peterson and Don Leslie were friends and Leslie licensed Gulbransen to utilize the first "In-Built Leslie" in their spinets. Small world, indeed!   I met Peterson and visited his new lab where he was developing the electronic piano that later became an option for the later model Rialto organs. At that time he had a standard 3-manual theater organ console in the lab controlling huge racks of generators (the type later used in the Gulbransen Model F Church Organ). At that time he was trying to develop a good Vox voice and had a set of speakers on a 6' rotating arm.  
(back) Subject: OFF TOPIC: MS Publisher ? From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:08:24 -0400   Sorry for the intrusion of another off topic question but I don't know where to get this info---   Does anyone have experience with the web site design section of Microsoft Publisher? If so, could you please e-mail privately--I have what I hope will be a couple of "simple?" questions! I would sincerely appreciate the help!   Thanks in advance,   Dan    
(back) Subject: Re: NOTICE! (reply) From: kwkeller@juno.com (KARL W KELLER) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:44:59 -0400   This seems to be a common problem on both Lists. Someone will post on the subject of APPLES and someone else will ruin the thread by posting about ORANGES. I wonder if these people know how to change the subject line ??   Karl ************************************************************************* ******************** On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:51:09 -0400 "W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net> writes: > > Those of you who wish to continue posting about stuff not >related to my orginal post. PLEASE change the subject line to a >related topic that your message deals with. My subject line should >only be used by those who are addressing my questions as set in my >post. Thanks! > > Sincerely, > > Will Scarboro >  
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:34:39 -0700   At 02:56 PM 10/2/98 EDT, GHamil9709@aol.com wrote:   >At that >time he had a standard 3-manual theater organ console in the lab controlling >huge racks of generators (the type later used in the Gulbransen Model F >Church Organ).<snip>   Ah! Yet another elusive rara avis of the '60s e-org world! I wonder if there are any Model F's around, and if any of our illustrious e-orglers or pipechatters have any info on this one?   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd From: "James Grebe" <pianoman@inlink.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:15:27 -0500   Hi Ralph, The parent company is Mission Bay Investments, a holding company. They own the Gulbransen name as well as Ludwig-Aeolian/ Piano Exchange here in St. Louis. James Grebe R.P.T. of the P.T.G pianoman@inlink.com Creator of Handsome Hardwood Caster Cups and Practical Piano Peripherals in St. Louis, MO -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Martin <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted)     >Hi Bob >Nope...Gulbransen was before that model of Allen. They were the first. > >The present day Gulbransen really sounds nothing like the original. It's >really the Elka with new cabinet and the Gulbransen name. I wish I could >remember the name of the retail chain, but it escapes me at the moment. I do >know they're quite large. They had originally intended to be the US >distributor for Gulbransen but either changed their minds or were not >successful acting as a rep organization and decided to merely use the brand >in their own stores. > >best >Ralph Martin > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd From: "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:35:30 -0400   Thanks, James I couldn't think of that name to save me. I know Piero Crucianelli quite well. He was the previous owner of Elka. I never did ask him why he sold out or to whom, for that matter. The factory is housed in Ancona as is Farfisa, Sisme and Orla. The main little city they all surround is a delightful place called Castelfidardo. It's perched right on the cliffs overlooking the sea on the East coast. The cliffs seem about 200 feet high and remind me very much of the cliffs of Moher in Ireland.   best Ralph Martin        
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd From: "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:36:34 -0400   James Are they actually still selling Gulbransen's in your territory?   Ralph        
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd From: Jerry <aqne@waveinter.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 17:54:24 -0400   My 2 cents worth - Gulbransen is also advertising in keyboard magazine for Piano& Organ keyboard midi adapters. Neat rig fit under keyboards Jerry Riddle   Ralph Martin wrote:   > James > Are they actually still selling Gulbransen's in your territory? > > Ralph > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:13:59 EDT   Ralph,   Thanks for the info.   Phil L.  
(back) Subject: Re: Gulbransen Model F Church Organ From: GHamil9709@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:33:14 EDT   In a message dated 10/2/98 2:30:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time, desertbob@truelink.net writes:   << Ah! Yet another elusive rara avis of the '60s e-org world! I wonder if there are any Model F's around, and if any of our illustrious e-orglers or pipechatters have any info on this one? >> I know the whereabouts of at least one Model F. It's here in Indianpolis. I undertook to replace all the electrolytic caps in the three tone generators and in the voicing networks for the owner. (a bushel basket full) This was a low-volume model --- and I understand that they only made 25 of them. With the three generators of independent oscillators, it had a pretty good sound...using three special Leslie cabinets. It was built into a Klann console.  
(back) Subject: Re: Gulbransen Model F Church Organ From: GHamil9709@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:34:58 EDT   In a message dated 10/2/98 2:30:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time, desertbob@truelink.net writes:   << Ah! Yet another elusive rara avis of the '60s e-org world! I wonder if there are any Model F's around, and if any of our illustrious e-orglers or pipechatters have any info on this one? >> I know the whereabouts of at least one Model F. It's here in Indianapolis. I undertook to replace all the electrolytic caps in the three tone generators and in the voicing networks for the owner. (a bushel basket full)   There was no service manual... only the engineering drawings (blue prints). This was a low-volume model --- and I understand that they only made 25 of them. With the three generators of independent oscillators, it had a pretty good sound...using three special Leslie cabinets. It was built into a Klann console.  
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd back From: "James Grebe" <pianoman@inlink.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:28:11 -0500   Hi Ralph, For a while there was a Gulbransen piano made for them by Samick as well as a Bechendorf piano (cross between Bechstein and Bosenforfer, Silly, right? The store hasn't stocked any organs that I am aware of and no one else here is selling them either. James Grebe R.P.T. of the P.T.G pianoman@inlink.com Creator of Handsome Hardwood Caster Cups and Practical Piano Peripherals in St. Louis, MO -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Martin <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd     >James >Are they actually still selling Gulbransen's in your territory? > >Ralph > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Information Needed (X-Posted) answerefd back From: "Ralph Martin" <Rmartinjr@email.msn.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:37:31 -0400   Hi James I don't see organs sold at all for the home except in very specific areas. One is California and the other is the St. Petersburg, Florida area.   I wrote a series of article for The Music Trades a few years ago regarding plummeting home organ sales. The decline really began, as far as I can see, with the popularity of Rock music. Radio, that formerly featured easy listening always played Earl Grant and Lenny Dee recordings together with some lesser known artists. I haven't heard a radio station for the past ten years playing an organ record. Most of them have switched to country, rock, or talk formats.   Rock is really not appropriately played on organ. It's sort of like Beethoven played on a banjo. As the promoters pushed rock....the home organ business literally declined and then disappeared. I was still playing radio and some of the better dining and drinking joints when tunes like Moon River, Days of Wine and Roses, etc. were coming out. When Mancini died out, I sort of died out with him. Now my style of organ playing is only acceptable in some theaters that have restored their pipe organs.   The listening masses now have, for the most part, shifted their taste to a totally different format. Guys like Eddy Layton, myself, Norm Nelson, etc. are involved only in playing organ concerts across the country where ever a pipe organ is working. Really only good for the sheer pleasure of playing. Certainly not for lining the pockets.   Most of us, though, remain interested in keeping the style of playing alive out of nostalgia, if for no other reason.   Chat later, James   best Ralph