PipeChat Digest #541 - Sunday, October 4, 1998
 
Home Practice Organ
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
proposed practice machine
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: Home Practice Organ
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: proposed practice machine
  by "Robert Horton" <gemshorn@ukans.edu>
Re: Practice Technique -  Karl's Hear-it-first ??
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Schantz Console Problems
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Schantz Console Problems
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Home Practice Organ
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Band Organs Again (XP)
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Band Organs Again (XP)
  by "Ronald Warren" <rwarren@inreach.com>
Re: Band Organs Again (XP)
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: proposed practice machine
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Home Practice Organ
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Re: proposed practice machine
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Re: Band Organs Again (XP)
  by "Ronald Warren" <rwarren@inreach.com>
*NEWS FLASH* TheatreOrgans-L is now ONLINE!(x-posted)
  by "Sean Haley" <newgershwin@hotmail.com>
 


(back) Subject: Home Practice Organ From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 08:57:08 -0500   I currently have a 1 rank practice organ in my home and am planning an expansion. I want to ask my friends at pipechat for constructive feedback on the following stop list. Hope this is fun for some of you.     Organ is all exposed with no couplers anywhere   4 ranks action = Wicks Wind Pressure = 3.25"   pipe analysis   16' HolzGedeckt 73 pipes 8' Rohrflute 85 pipes 8' Dulciana 61 pipes 4' Principal 73 pipes   total = 292 pipes     LOWER MANUAL   8' Dulciana 8' HolzGedeckt 4' Principal 2' Rohrflute       UPPER MANUAL   8' Dulciana 8' Rohrflute 4' HolzGedeckt (top 12 from Rohrflute rank) 2' Principal (top 12 from Rohrflute rank)     PEDAL   16' HolzGedeckt 8' Rohrflute 8' Dulciana (with open basses) 4' Principal 4' Rohrflute (I want mainly for solo purposes)     Thanks for your help. Please be kind now!   Robert Eversman Mineral Point, WI.    
(back) Subject: proposed practice machine From: ComposerTX@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:33:21 EDT   Dear Listers, I'm considering a small tracker practice machine, not really an organ, for my home. I'm thinking about a scheme for a 3-manual instrument with one stop on each of the three manuals. I think there would be no couplers, but the pedal would be a small scaled Bourdon at 16, 8 and 4. Do you have any thoughts about what the individual stops should be for the manuals? Thanks for any input. Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: Re: Home Practice Organ From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:55:22 -0400 (EDT)   Robert, I'm feeling obtuse this morning!!! You said:   >I currently have a 1 rank practice organ in my > home and am planning an expansion.   But then you list a 4 rank spec.... a) was the 1 rank (above) a typo? b) if originally 1 rank, what is being added? c) what is the original stoplist? d) what are the total number of tabs available? e) what chests are being added?   >Organ is all exposed with no couplers >16' =A0 =A0 HolzGedeckt =A0 =A0 73 pipes >8' =A0 =A0 Rohrflute =A0 =A0 =A0 85 pipes >8' =A0 =A0 Dulciana =A0 =A0 =A0 61 pipes >4' =A0 =A0 Principal =A0 =A0 =A0 73 pipes =A0=A0 This kind of thinking is fun... looking foward to (hopefully) helping.   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o o h o o ______________ o o g o o o s o ______________ o a o o   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............       It is fatal to let any dog know that he is funny, for he immediately loses his head and starts hamming it up. -- PG Woodhouse (...amazing what we learn from our dogs. ed)    
(back) Subject: Re: proposed practice machine From: Robert Horton <gemshorn@ukans.edu> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 10:19:28 -0500   At 10:33 AM 10/3/98 -0400, you wrote: >I'm thinking about a scheme for a 3-manual instrument with one stop on each of >the three manuals. I think there would be no couplers, but the pedal would be >a small scaled Bourdon at 16, 8 and 4. >Do you have any thoughts about what the individual stops should be for the >manuals? This is a mechanical practice machine with a Bourdon unified at 16, 8, and 4? A little unorthodox but it's certainly doable with a lot of conveyance boxes. Considering the eternal problem of what to build for a practice instrument...I just had a queer little thought. Why not forget about flue pipes altogether and build a free reed harmonium? Just from my experiences, free reeds stay in tune better, take up less space, are prompter in speech in the bass, and they just have more "color" than flues. Is there some gross drawback that I'm missing?   Robert C. Horton Associate Minister of Music, St. Lawrence Catholic Campus Center Rm.970 McCollum Hall, University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS 66045 http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1028/   "It takes a great artist to play a simple melody" - Edwin H. Lemare  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice Technique - Karl's Hear-it-first ?? From: RMaryman@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:15:12 EDT   Jumping in where fools fear to tread...   While I have studied at the college level (have not finished my degree, but that's another story) I am often influenced to learn a new peice after I have heard someone else play it (in a recital or ago music-demo-meetings, etc), and this does tend for me to form >initial< ideas of how to play a particualr piece. HOWEVER, when I go back to the piece a second, third (well, you get the ieda) time to use it as a prelude or offeretory or program it in a reciatal, I tend to re-think my approach to the music, for one reason, to not get into a musical rut. My early influences on organ music tended to be the more flamboyant performers, so to me there is no greater sin than to play a piece of music in an un-interesting fashion, whether it is 'academically correct" or not...boring organ music no matter how well played note-perfectly is STILL boring.   That is NOT to say that I don't strive for technical perfection, but I no longer go thru the self-inflicted guilt trips when I play a piece that has a musical mistake in it - except when it's for a guild meeting (lol).   Keepo up the good advice on practice regimens...   Rick Maryman  
(back) Subject: Re: Schantz Console Problems From: RMaryman@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:30:09 EDT   In a message dated 98-09-28 15:57:28 EDT, you write:   << Should we be thinking about refurbishing the console with a solid state action? What other sorts of problems and expenses should we be prepared to face in a 25 year old organ? Since the organ has about 25 yeras worth of use, I would advise >>planning<< to rebuild the chests due to leather failure...although it is NOT probably immanent, when leather problems start ot show up it usually starts with one, the a couple then a BUNCH of failures. Actually, you ought to expect about another tehn years of relatively trouble-free playing on this leather, but the PLANNING aspect is important because of the significant expense involved - currently it would run about $15.00 per pouch to totally restore a pitman style Schantz chest.   things to think about...   Also your problem could be a simple relay failure. this would be a relay that operates the magnet(s) that operate the main power pneumatic that drives each divisional set of actions. also, suspect a bad or dirty magnet or armature, even a bad (broken) wire or cold solder joint. Since the generals work OK it is not a big problem to fix.   Cheers   Rick Maryman Staunton, VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Schantz Console Problems From: RMaryman@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:30:10 EDT   In a message dated 98-09-28 15:57:28 EDT, you write:   << Should we be thinking about refurbishing the console with a solid state action? What other sorts of problems and expenses should we be prepared to face in a 25 year old organ? Since the organ has about 25 yeras worth of use, I would advise >>planning<< to rebuild the chests due to leather failure...although it is NOT probably immanent, when leather problems start ot show up it usually starts with one, the a couple then a BUNCH of failures. Actually, you ought to expect about another tehn years of relatively trouble-free playing on this leather, but the PLANNING aspect is important because of the significant expense involved - currently it would run about $15.00 per pouch to totally restore a pitman style Schantz chest.   things to think about...   Also your problem could be a simple relay failure. this would be a relay that operates the magnet(s) that operate the main power pneumatic that drives each divisional set of actions. also, suspect a bad or dirty magnet or armature, even a bad (broken) wire or cold solder joint. Since the generals work OK it is not a big problem to fix.   Cheers   Rick Maryman Staunton, VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Home Practice Organ From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:52:05 -0700   At 10:55 AM 10/3/98 -0400, bruce cornely wrote: >Robert, >I'm feeling obtuse this morning!!!<snip!>   Might I suggest a dose of psyllium each morning with breakfast...keeps you regular all day long!   hehehehehe!    
(back) Subject: Band Organs Again (XP) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 21:47:30 -0500   Does anyone know where I can get a band organ w/rolls for CHEAP? Would like to discuss further privately please...   Thanks,   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Band Organs Again (XP) From: Ronald Warren <rwarren@inreach.com> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 19:59:56 -0700   Is there a site for band organs??       Kevin Cartwright wrote:   > Does anyone know where I can get a band organ w/rolls for CHEAP? Would > like to discuss further privately please... > > Thanks, > > Kevin C. > kevin1@alaweb.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Band Organs Again (XP) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 22:02:39 -0500   Ronald Warren wrote: > > Is there a site for band organs??   I haven't really found one. There is an interesting MIDI site that is related to band organ stylings at http://www.mybonbon.com/ And, no, I didn't fall in love with them over the internet...I fell in love with a REAL one...   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com    
(back) Subject: Re: proposed practice machine From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:26:02 -0400 (EDT)     > Why not forget about flue pipes altogether > and build a free reed harmonium? >=A0Is there some gross drawback that I'm > missing? Only the fact that the player would have to listen to that sound! To me there is no more pleasant and soothing sound for practice that a Principal, and I'm shocked, Mr. Gemshorn, that you did not at least suggest a gemshorn for a manual rank. ;-) I find open flues much easier to listen to for extended periods of time.   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o o h o o ______________ o o g o o o s o ______________ o a o o   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............       It is fatal to let any dog know that he is funny, for he immediately loses his head and starts hamming it up. -- PG Woodhouse (...amazing what we learn from our dogs. ed)    
(back) Subject: Re: Home Practice Organ From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:37:03 -0000   Robert: Your stoplist is really great. Any reason for borrowing the top 12 of the Rohrflute for the 4'Holzgedeckt and 2' Principal. Why not carry both of them up with their own pipes? It will give you a better sound for your top 12 (and we do use those keys often - ask anyone who has had to play a 56 note manual. Suddenly everything you play goes into the top octave). Lots of luck.John Doney        
(back) Subject: Re: proposed practice machine From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:42:08 -0000   Manual I - Rohrflote 8 Manual II - Spitzflote 8 Manual III - Schalmei 8. How about unison couplers? JOHN        
(back) Subject: Re: Band Organs Again (XP) From: Ronald Warren <rwarren@inreach.com> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 20:46:49 -0700   Thanks for the info,I was looking for cd's,but I am loving looking at all the sites.   Ronald Warren     Kevin Cartwright wrote:   > Ronald Warren wrote: > > > > Is there a site for band organs?? > > I haven't really found one. There is an interesting MIDI site that is > related to band organ stylings at http://www.mybonbon.com/ And, no, I > didn't fall in love with them over the internet...I fell in love with a > REAL one... > > Kevin C. > kevin1@alaweb.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: *NEWS FLASH* TheatreOrgans-L is now ONLINE!(x-posted) From: "Sean Haley" <newgershwin@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 23:26:39 PDT   Hello List members,   I have the privilege of announcing the completion of the NEW Theatre Organs list. Many people have been waiting for this and now it is here! We have tested it and we are now spreading the good news. Jerrell Kautz has been amazing, providing the site and equipment needed to make this work. THANK YOU Jerrell for all of your hard work! Anyone interested in theatre organ maintenance, music, and a host of other topics related to the theatre organ, is strongly encouraged to join the list devoted to the theatre organ enthusiast. See the address below for details. ---> <http://theatreorgans.com/tolist.htm>   Hope to see you on the list, _____ | | Sean M. Haley / NWOrganer | | Organist,Pianist,Composer,Piano Tech. () ()..<newgershwin@hotmail.com>...........() () .........Co-Creater of TheatreOrgans-L.......| | .............................................|___|     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com