PipeChat Digest #555 - Thursday, October 15, 1998
 
Re: The REAL difference between pipe & electronic instruments
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: The difference between......
  by "Owen Jones" <owenj@dynamite.com.au>
Re: Rescheduled Recital
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Where's the Beef?
  by <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com>
Re: Where's the Beef?
  by "Jim Swist" <jswist@quickturn.com>
REAL Difference/Should I even READ these posts?
  by <JCarington@aol.com>
Re: REAL Difference/Should I even READ these posts?
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Re: Where's the Beef?
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Where's the Beef?
  by <Afreed0904@aol.com>
Re: First-time T.O. experience: Evening on the Rialto Barton
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Re: The difference between......
  by "Keith Fortune" <kfortune@webtv.net>
Re: The difference between......
  by <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Allen 4 sale  X-posted
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Andre Marchal
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
My days of radio programming are over.
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: My days of radio programming are over.
  by <Afreed0904@aol.com>
New ventures ahead...
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@gte.net>
Re: My days of radio programming are over.
  by "Ian B. McLean" <SoloTibia@bigpond.com>
Re: REAL Difference/Should I even READ these posts?
  by <RMc7832619@aol.com>
Re: REAL Difference/Should I even READ these posts?
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: My days of radio programming are over.
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Where's the Beef?
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Where's the Beef?
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Carlo Curley Concert Announcement
  by "Robert E. Dilworth" <redtos@voicenet.com>
Re:  Re: First-time T.O. experience: Evening on the Rialto Barton
  by <LeeMalo@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: The REAL difference between pipe & electronic instruments From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:56:02 -0500   GBorgan@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/13/98 8:08:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > kevin1@alaweb.com writes: > > << Anyway, basically, I don't like electronic organs, >> > So?   I just had to throw my $.002 worth. If you don't respond to others that way, there is no need to respond to me that way.   kc      
(back) Subject: Re: The difference between...... From: Owen Jones <owenj@dynamite.com.au> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:07:08 +1000   English Post Horn, Kinura, Tuba Horn, Barton sax, etc.....More strings!   Owen   Keith Fortune wrote:   > Enough already. Sheesh. Everybody's got their own opinion about pipe vs. > electronic. I may be new, but I'm sure this topic has been discussed > before. How about a new thread? How about this. > If I wanted to add a couple of ranks to a 4/18 Wurlitzer, what would be > some good choices. I know, a stop list would help here, but I don't have > one with me right now. Maybe later. > I'm thinking of adding a 2nd Tibia, maybe Gottfried pipes, and a > harmonic Tuba. > Suggestions? > > Keith > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Rescheduled Recital From: Myosotis51@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:29:59 EDT   In a message dated 10/14/98 1:05:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gregory@mke.earthreach.com writes:   << My recital which was originally scheduled for May 21 and cancelled due to severe weather damage has been rescheduled for this coming Sunday, October 18, at 2:00 P.M. >>     Good luck!   Vicki  
(back) Subject: Where's the Beef? From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:55:56 -0400     Paul. P. Valtos wrote...   <<An American entering a church looks at the sanctuary and sees pipes and assumes that that is an organ...>>     This brings to mind a couple of amusing incidents. A friend once walked into a college chapel, with exposed pipework all over the place, and asked, "Where's the organ?" since she couldn't see the console.   Then there was the time when a church board member pointed to speaker grilles on the wall and said, "That's where your pipes are located." Funny thing, that Hammond C-3 really didn't sound like it was "pipe-augmented!" ;)   -George Greene    
(back) Subject: Re: Where's the Beef? From: Jim Swist <jswist@quickturn.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:18:18 -0400   George.Greene@rossnutrition.com wrote: > > This brings to mind a couple of amusing incidents. A friend once > walked into a college chapel, with exposed pipework all over the > place, and asked, "Where's the organ?" since she couldn't see the > console.   The uninitiated may very well consider the console as "the organ". This once led to a "Who's on First" dialog when I was trying to get some basic information on the organ in a remote city where I was scheduled to play a wedding for a relative many years ago.   The church had a split gallery/chancel (pipe) organ played from one console in the front of the church.   "So the organ is in the front and the back?"   "No, it's in front"   "So there is nothing in the gallery?"   "Yes there is"   and so on...  
(back) Subject: REAL Difference/Should I even READ these posts? From: JCarington@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:04:03 EDT   Electronic or pipe Ford or Chevy Flourescent or Incandescent MAC or PC Bill or Monica   I'm afraid to even open this newsletter. This is one of those issues that has no right answer.   John Carington Chesterton, Indiana  
(back) Subject: Re: REAL Difference/Should I even READ these posts? From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:48:31 EDT   Dear John , I know how you feel but some of the goals this list should try to accomplish are, 1. Establish some ethical ground rules for organ builders, 2, Force builders to furnish a specification sheet with what exactly they are to provide and in what manner,3. Raise the consciousness of the profession in that the builders are forced to produce what was requested without cutting corners whcih affect the performance of the instrument, and finish the instrument to the purchasers satisfaction and not walk away saying "You own it". A good analogy would be your purchase of a Ford Mustang 5.0 HO , five speed stick and being delivered a Ford Mustang 4 cylinder 5 speed. The salesman says, "But you ordered a Mustang 5 speed". I can't take it back, you received what you ordered. That's what's happened in the organ builders industry. I also get tired of some posts that beat a so called dead horse but this horse can be very much alive if we stick to our guns. Some people have never heard a pipe organ. Paul  
(back) Subject: Re: Where's the Beef? From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:51:08 -0400 (EDT)   I remember when in college, when preparing for a Christmas concert with the University Singers + organ, some of the choir members were having difficulty hearing the organ over the choir. The choral director, Dr. Vatzinamme, instructed the people who had trouble hearing to stand closer to the "organ" (indicating the console) so that they could hear better. By the way, the organ was a 4m Skinner with the console on the front right side of the stage and visible pipes all the way across the front of the room directly behind the stage.   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o o h o o ______________ o o g o o o s o ______________ o a o o   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............     To a dog the whole world is a smell. -- anonymous    
(back) Subject: Re: Where's the Beef? From: Afreed0904@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:07:15 EDT     In a message dated 10/14/98 2:52:24 PM, cremona84000@webtv.net writes:   <<stand closer to the "organ" (indicating the console)>>   Were you able to keep a straight face?   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: First-time T.O. experience: Evening on the Rialto Barton From: RSiegel920@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:23:39 EDT   John- Could be wrong but isn' t the Rialto a 4/twenty-something?? I don't think the recent work included adding 15 ranks or so! For what it's worth. R. J. Siegel  
(back) Subject: Re: The difference between...... From: kfortune@webtv.net (Keith Fortune) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:34:17 -0700 (PDT)   OK, Owen. I knew I should at least list the ranks before I asked this question. My apologies. The ranks are: Tibia, Flute, Open Diapason, Diaphonic Diapason, Quintadena, Saxaphone, Brass Trumpet, English Post Horn, Vox Humana, Clarinet, Kinura, Oboe, and 5 ranks of strings. Care to have another stab at it? Thanks for your reply. Keith    
(back) Subject: Re: The difference between...... From: PipeLuvr@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:48:02 EDT   Hi Keith and List:   If you are wanting to following pretty traditional Wurlitzer additions, you seem to be missing a Tuba Horn, and possibly a Tuba Mirabilis for that size instrument. Other possible additions would be a Dulciana for soft accompaniment purposes, This and another Tibia and Vox in the other chamber would get you up to and slightly past the Wurlitzer Publix 1 arrangement.   Good luck with your project.   Bob  
(back) Subject: Allen 4 sale X-posted From: ComposerTX@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:56:47 EDT   FOR SALE: Allen model 202 two-manual Digital Organ, seventies vintage, with AGO pedal board, four speaker cabinetss. $3,500.00 retail value. Best offer before November 30.   Contact: Business Manager, Anna May Brendel St. Joseph Catholic Church 600 South Jupiter Road, Richardson, TX 75081 (972) 231-2951 E-mail: sjcric@cathdal.org.    
(back) Subject: Andre Marchal From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:59:32 -0400   A note to those living in the central new England area -- Mme. Jacqueline Englert-Marchal will give a lecture on the life of her late father, Andre Marchal on Sunday, October 18 at 3pm in the Brooks Concert Hall at Holy Cross College, Worcester MA (up the hill from College Square Exit off I-290, first gate on the left, ask for directions to Hall. Free event with reception to follow. Info. Jamers David Christie, Music Dept. 508-793-2284.  
(back) Subject: My days of radio programming are over. From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:39:17 -0400   Dear fellow listers,   It is with regret that I have to tell you that I am ending my weekly broadcasts of organ and choral music as of this coming Sunday afternoon. This morning it was found that my recent heart attack has caused a major deterioration to my eyes, and I can hardly see, - certainly not enough to drive to the radio station, or to cue up either LPs or the CD players, let alone read the sleeve notes of the recordings that I play.   This is a hard decision for me, particularly after something like 15 years of producing "Voicings" , "A la Carte" and several other classical music programmes. However at the tender age of 73 years it has been on the cards for a few years now!   I would like to thank everyone who over the years have been able to help out with my many and varied enquiries for assistance with matters organic, and also for all those kind people who ob\ver the years have sent me tapes, LPs and CDs to play over the air, - it has been a great help to keep the programmes going.   I shall still be able to be on the lists, for although it is a bit difficult to read the monitor screen, I shall manage somehow, - even if I have to install a "speech" package on my computer.   Once again, thank you all so much. Bob Conway        
(back) Subject: Re: My days of radio programming are over. From: Afreed0904@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:46:04 EDT   Bob, I never heard your work, but this is most unwelcome news.   I hope that your next ten or fifteen years, and more, will be vastly richer than you might be imagining them to be now.   Enjoy!   Alan Freed, St. Luke's Church, Manhattan  
(back) Subject: New ventures ahead... From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@gte.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:14:12 -0400   Bob, just a note to say THANKS for all your years ofdedication to the project of the airways. I was a teenage discjockey at my fathers radio station and remember getting caled on the carpet many times for toooooo many Ken Griffen recordings!   All the best to you!   Terry Charles        
(back) Subject: Re: My days of radio programming are over. From: "Ian B. McLean" <SoloTibia@bigpond.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:25:16 +1000   Bob,   It made me quite sad to read this.   Over the past couple of years I have had to reverse my father's acceptance of his fate due to macular degeneration. A few searches of the web brought up all sorts of devices and software for assisting with the use of computers, and reading.   He still can't drive the car, but now he is able to browse, email, use the VCR, and CD player, read newspapers, etc. In Australia the rental and purchase of the devices is sometimes assisted by the government(s). My father's outlook has gone from and acceptance of hopelessness to one of being positive. Very important.   I've sent this to the list as well, as I am sure that there are others out there who are suffering issues with their sight. These days there is help, and in so many ways that didn't exist, even jsut a few years ago. I'm not sure whether it would be enough to help you drive the radio station, but being aware of what is out there may assist with nearly everything else that you need to 'drive'.   Ian Mclean            
(back) Subject: Re: REAL Difference/Should I even READ these posts? From: RMc7832619@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:34:29 EDT   That is because this is really a debate about personal values not whether or not some of us can distinguish pipe from electronic. There was a famous court case involving the Hammond Organ Company over 50 years ago where they had to demonstrate that some people couldn't tell the difference between a pipe organ and a Hammond before they would be allowed to refer to their product as an 'organ'. Gee, if some can't tell a Hammond from a pipe......  
(back) Subject: Re: REAL Difference/Should I even READ these posts? From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:41:12 -0700   At 07:34 PM 10/14/98 EDT, RMc7832619@aol.com wrote: Gee, if some can't tell a Hammond from a pipe......   LOL! There are some lame ears out there, you know. I used to routinely fool people whilst playing a Ham RT-3 in a church, just due to the fact I took some time to learn how to properly use the drawbars to "fake" various pipe sounds! Also, remember in 1962, when, due to a strike Aeolian-Skinner wasn't able to deliver the Lincoln Center organ in time for the dedicatory performance. Noneother than E. Power Biggs was carded to play, and he was given an Allen TC-4 as a substitute. The New York Times praised the wonderful of the A-S organ that wasn't even there! Remember, folks, this was many moons ago...with an analog Allen and a Hammond! And people argue that the new "toasters" sound so horrible. Well, maybe to golden organist ears, but...what do the people in the nave/auditorium think?   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: My days of radio programming are over. From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:25:17 -0400   Ian, - and all others that might be interested.   For the past couple of years I have been volunteering with the Canadian National Institute for the Blind, in the Technical Aids Department of the Kingston, Ontario, area office. I have been aware of this eye problem for a long time, but I am not too worried about what I can do, for I have been helping blind and low vision clients with their computers.   There is a wealth of assistive devices out there, and it is a matter of being able to decide on the right ones for our clients. I have installed for them both ZoomText, which is a screen enlarging programme, and also Artic, which is a synthesised speech programme that reads out loud all the information on the screen.   There is what is called the Assistive Devices Programme (ADP) in Ontario, which will pay up to 75% of the cost of such software, but even then the remaining 25% is still pretty expensive for some of our clients. One cannot even consider "pirating" or "borrowing" software, for the CNIB is dependent on funding from both Government and private sources so we must not do anything that might be considered illegal, - and "pirating" most certainly is!   My immediate plans are to try to keep up with the work that I do at the CNIB, for I have a certain amount of expertise with the assistive devices, and for me it is simply another challenge! After all, if I am able to advise and help our clients, (which, as of now, I am one!), then I can assure them that all is not lost, even though at first they get terribly despondent.   Thank you all for your encouraging e-mail, I am sure that as is often said, - "When one door closes, another door opens".   Bob Conway        
(back) Subject: Re: Where's the Beef? From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:58:52 -0500   Jim Swist wrote: > > George.Greene@rossnutrition.com wrote: > > > > This brings to mind a couple of amusing incidents. A friend once   A church member had waltzed in and was "inspecting" my work when I was replacing a dulciana with a violin diapason, and he saw the larger violes I had laying in the chapel and said, "These must be the new disapan tubes." (That's pronounced dize-a-pan.) I just quietly baffled him when I said (trying not to laugh), "No, these are actually the viole 8's, the violin diapason is still in the large crate in the corner."   The main organist at our church could not figure out why the trompette 8' low Eb wouldn't play from any manual...this is after I told her the reed was more than likely dirty. She had the bright idea that it might work when coupled... All I did after that rather rough service was turn the trem on (I have it set to theatre proportions...she doesn't use it in regular service at all, so I can have it any way I want it), and "pulsed" the trash out, and everything works fine.   Anyway,   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Where's the Beef? From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:46:05 -0400 (EDT)     ><<stand closer to the "organ" (indicating the > console)>> >Were you able to keep a straight face? TTHHPPBBBTTTHHH! Of course not! I've never been able to behave in an academic situation!   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o o h o o ______________ o o g o o o s o ______________ o a o o   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............     To a dog the whole world is a smell. -- anonymous    
(back) Subject: Carlo Curley Concert Announcement From: "Robert E. Dilworth" <redtos@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:23:41 -0500   Those of you who are fans of Carlo Curley will be interested to learn of his concert on October 24, 1998 at 8:00pm at the Dickinson High School in Wilmington, Delaware. He will be playing the Dickinson Kimball Theatre Pipe organ - three manuals, 66 ranks.   If you live in or near the Delaware Valley, this is a concert not to be missed. The cost of tickets is $10.00 at the door. If you need driving directions, please respond to <redtos@voicenet.com>. All seats are reserved and advance reservations can be arranged by calling 302-995-2603 or via e-mail to <papringl@bellatlantic.net>.   The program will contain mostly classical organ literature with some orchestral transcriptions.   The Dickinson Kimball has become known for its ability to provide a good platform for both classical and popular theatre organ music. Other artists who have played an all-classical concert on the Dickinson Kimball are Hector Olivera, Tom Hazleton and Jonas Nordwall.   We hope to see you on the 24th.   Bob Dilworth  
(back) Subject: Re: Re: First-time T.O. experience: Evening on the Rialto Barton From: LeeMalo@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:57:49 EDT   Yes, folks, there was a slight mistake in the number of ranks on the Rialto Barton in Joliet -- it was originally 21 ranks, went up to 24 ranks in 1993 and will be 26 ranks by November 14th. We are adding a Dulciana rank and a Solo Gamba rank to the organ.   This year's Extravaganza will also feature our newly-acquired Wurlitzer Solo Tibia and Oboe Horn as well as the Austin replica of a large-scale Wurlitzer Tuba Mirabilis.   The "Pipe Organ Extravaganza 3" is on November 14, 1998.