PipeChat Digest #564 - Friday, October 23, 1998
 
RE: Favourite list
  by "Ruth-Chris" <theraven@sympatico.ca>
My favorite pieces for organ
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
New Austin organ
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: Mystery Reed
  by <CareyOrgan@aol.com>
New web site
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
Jongen, bleh - Dupre rules!
  by "Greg McAusland" <gregorymca@pavilion.co.uk>
Re: Dupre rules! - My Top 10
  by "Robert Horton" <gemshorn@ukans.edu>
Re: New Austin organ
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
Concert Reminder
  by "robert.cowley" <robert.cowley@mci2000.com>
Playing a Hammond A100
  by "George Husson" <george_husson@hotmail.com>
Re: Playing a Hammond A100
  by "Bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: New Austin organ
  by "Larry Rose" <larry@mail.challengerltd.com>
Re: New Austin organ
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Playing a Hammond A100
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: Playing a Hammond A100
  by "Bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Sv: Jongen, bleh - Dupre rules!
  by "Torben Krebs" <torbenkrebs@heaven.dk>
 


(back) Subject: RE: Favourite list From: Ruth-Chris <theraven@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:47:21 -0400   from BOG: Keep sending in your list of favourite organ pieces - you = don't have to be able to play then! Haven't you any organ greats by = American composers worth including?!     [Ruth Bird] -Or Canadian, if there are any????? I'm sure Mr.Denton = would know the Canadian Question. One of my favourite American composers is Mr. Gordon Young. I was only recently introduced to his work. Ruth=20 =20    
(back) Subject: My favorite pieces for organ From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:08:01 EDT   I have been in the organ business for only two years, but the following comes from the shared experiences of fellow workers, several of whom are near retirement.   Their favorite organ songs based on those experiences are:   The top two favorite songs in our shop are: "Hard Day's Night" and "Eight Days a Week"   After crawling under organ chests, in darkened chambers, and new Austin Air Chests, the "Yellow Submarine" comes to mind.   "The Fool On the Hill" comes to mind when we encounter organists whom are difficult to please no matter the desperate need for a total organ rebuild, or the fact that the problem was discovered on Monday and the request for service was made the following Saturday evening.   When does every organist want the organ tuned? "Yesterday" of course!   The only fear an organ tuner has when he is perched precariously over the five rank mixture next to the Rohrflute? "If I Fell"   When the service crew arrives at the church for an emergency service call, the custodian with the keys is the "Nowhere Man"   "All You Need is Love" when the organ tuner tries for the umteenth time to tune that mischevious Cassavant reed.   Most organ companies quit servicing some churches because "You Never Gave Me Your Money."   The most common response service crews hear when they ask the organist what is wrong with the organ; "Something"   Where the organ technician on weekend call spends his time; "Here, There and Everywhere"   The worst fear faced by every organ tuner; "Here Comes the Sun"   The best advice to a service crew attempting to repair rotting leather pouches on the job; "Let It Be"   On Payday our favorite is, "Penny Lane".   When every organ serviceman wants to retire: "When I'm Sixty Four"   Hope my list did not BUG anyone!   Stan  
(back) Subject: New Austin organ From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:08:04 EDT   Subject: Re: New Austin organ   From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely)   Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:09:55 -0400 (EDT)       >The Austin I used to play had fan-tremulants which actually worked very well.   The St. Andrew RCC Austin has a fan-tremulant just inside each of the shutters of the Choir and Swell organs, and a fan-tremulant in the same location in the unenclosed Great chamber.   Larry Rose and I worked many long hours assembling this instrument.   Stan Krider    
(back) Subject: Re: Mystery Reed From: CareyOrgan@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:11:09 EDT   L.I. White was one of Moller's reed voicers in the 1920's. The number 242 may be the opus number. Look oarefully on the C resonators as well for a number about two-thirds of the way up from the bottom. Stephen Pinel, archivist of the Organ Historical Society, can easily tell you where this organ is/was, and can copy the original contract for you. His e-mail is <SPinel@worldnet.att.net> Be aware that reeds (and flues) did not always end up in the instrument they were labelled for in the shop. If another job was going out the door first that needed this stop it may have ended up in an instrument a few opus numbers up or down the list.   Keith Williams Carey Organ Company, Inc. Troy NY   CareyOrgan@aol.com www.tneorg.com/carey  
(back) Subject: New web site From: Prestant16@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:39:40 EDT   Last night, I started a web site for our company, Roche Organ Co., Inc. It is not complete yet, but I hope to have some pictures and stoplists on there soon. PLese let me know what you think of it. Please reply to me and not the list.   URL:   http://members.aol.com/prestant16/prof/index2.htm   -William Catanesye  
(back) Subject: Jongen, bleh - Dupre rules! From: "Greg McAusland" <gregorymca@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:02:48 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDFDEE.8FBFD700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi guys,   I used to go mad on the Poulenc Organ Concerto until I bought a copy of = the Symphony for orchestra and organ by M. Dupre on the Willis 4 = manual/pedal organ at the Royal Albert Hall, London. Recently I = downloaded a MIDI file of the Symphony arranged on four staves from the = net! No where seems to publish the work so I was very pleased that = someone took the trouble to re-arrange it! Big Organpipe Greg (BOG)   ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDFDEE.8FBFD700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hi guys,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I used to go mad on the Poulenc Organ Concerto until = I bought=20 a copy of the Symphony for orchestra and organ by M. Dupre on the Willis = 4=20 manual/pedal organ at the Royal Albert Hall, London.&nbsp; Recently I = downloaded=20 a MIDI file of the Symphony arranged on four staves from the net!&nbsp; = No where=20 seems to publish the work so I was very pleased that someone took the = trouble to=20 re-arrange it!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Big Organpipe Greg=20 (BOG)</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDFDEE.8FBFD700--    
(back) Subject: Re: Dupre rules! - My Top 10 From: Robert Horton <gemshorn@ukans.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:17:06 -0500   Greg,   Good to hear that there's another die-hard Dupre fan out there.=20 <fontfamily><param>=82l=82r =96=BE=92=A9</param>Dupre is quite unique among = 20th century composers. His music is well-crafted and contains lots of innovation, but it doesn't turn people off like Messiaen or the 2e Viennese School. A composer that produced a large body of serious, enjoyable 20th century organ music!?!...who would have imagined?   </fontfamily> Have you gotten into the Preludes and Fugues? Op.7 is good, but don't forget Op.36 with that great fugue in C Major. While we're on the subject, I'll post my own top ten list.     Dupre - Prelude and Fugue in B Major (Op.7 #1)   Vierne - Scherzo (from Deuxieme Symphonie, Op.20)   <fontfamily><param>=82l=82r =96=BE=92=A9</param>Mendelssohn - Sonata in A Ma= jor (Op.65 #3)   </fontfamily>Saint-Saens - Fantaisie in Eb Major   Franck - Choral in B Minor   Arne - Flute Tune   <fontfamily><param>=82l=82r =96=BE=92=A9</param>Bach - Prelude and Fugue in= G Major (BWV.541)   </fontfamily>Wesley - "Grand Duett" in C Major   <fontfamily><param>=82l=82r =96=BE=92=A9</param>Durufle - Suite (Op.5)   Paine - Concert Variations on Old 100th   </fontfamily>   Robert Horton, Associate Minister of Music   St. Lawrence Catholic Campus Center   1800 Engel Road #970, Lawrence, KS 66045   http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn/     "Do not dally with a singing girl, or you will be caught by her tricks."   Sirach 9:4 (NRSV)  
(back) Subject: Re: New Austin organ From: OrganMD@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:13:47 EDT   Hi All   The subject instrument does in fact make use of the fan tremolo.   Bill Hesterman  
(back) Subject: Concert Reminder From: "robert.cowley" <robert.cowley@mci2000.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:41:53 -0400   Just a reminder that the new Allen Renaissance R350, will be dedicated on Sunday October 25, 1998, 4:00 pm at the "First Presbyterian Church" in Fairborn, Ohio. Address for the Church is: 1130 Highview Drive. Tom Hazleton will be presenting the program.   For more information, contact Mr. Thom Carter, (937) 461-5520.  
(back) Subject: Playing a Hammond A100 From: "George Husson" <george_husson@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:43:24 PDT   In less than two weeks I will have the pleasure of flying from San Francisco to Rochester (NY) to play a memorial service of a dear friend. The funeral chapel tells me they have a Hammond A100 (with pipes, no less ??) and plenty of pedals.   So far I have seen a picture of this machine via the WWW but I would really appreciate some hints as to registration. I'm pretty sure you can do things manually with the drawbars but I also think the reversed keys on the left side of both manuals are presets.   If you can supply some hints to this neophyte Hammond player, I would very much appreciate it.   --George Husson     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Playing a Hammond A100 From: Bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:29:54 -0700   I never heard of a Hammond A100 with pipes, but I suppose ANYTHING'S possible in this day and age ... more likely a fake facade.   The Hammond A100 has 25 pedals, not 32. The four drawbars in the middle (16-16-8-8) control the pedals. There's no manual to pedal coupler. There's one expression shoe for the whole organ.   The presets (reverse-color keys on the left) on all Hammonds (unless they've been changed) are:   SWELL   C - cancel C# - Stopped Flute D - Dulciana D# - French Horn E - Salicional F - 8-4 Flutes F# - Oboe Horn G - Open Diapason G# - Trumpet A - full Swell with 16 A# - brings on extreme left-hand set of drawbars B -brings on near left-hand set of drawbars   GREAT   C - cancel C# - Cello D - Flute & String D# - Clarinet E - Diapason, Gamba, 4' Flute F - Great forte, no reeds F# - Open Diapason G - Full Great G# - Tibia Clausa A - full Great with 16 A# - brings on near right-hand set of drawbars B - brings on extreme right-hand set of drawbars   NB - you can only use ONE preset at a time on each manual, which means you have to set up your full combinations on the sets of drawbars ... the preset ones are too muddy. There are no presets for the Pedal ... you have to change those by hand.   The pitches of the drawbars are: (all flutes; don't be fooled by the stop-names ... the whole organ is one big unit flute!)   Brown - 16 Brown - 5 1/3   White - 8 White - 4 Black - 2 2/3 White - 2   Black - 1 3/5 Black - 1 1/3 White - 1   I think the A100 has two additional drawbars that won't be called for in any Hammond registrations:   Black - 1 1/7 Black - 1 1/9 or whatever the None is   Neither are very useful ...   There should be a "Chorus" tab (not Vibrato Chorus, just Chorus) ... that takes some of the curse off the explosive "pop" of the Hammond key attack.   Here are some common drawbar combinations:   Strings: 00 - 2222 - 222 (Vibrato Chorus 1)   Vox Humana - 00 - 1141-321 (Vibrato 1)   8' Foundations - 00 - 8765 - 432   Clarinet - 00 - 8060 - 400   Oboe - 00 - 4888 - 400   Full - 00 - 8756 - 345 (depending on how high the brightness control is set, but you can't get to it to change it, unfortunately.)   You may have to play with the solo stops ... I'm doing them out of my head, and it's been XXX years since I played a Grand Hammond (grin).   Good luck!   Regards,   Bud Clark St. M's-in-the-S-S Newport Beach CA USA   George Husson wrote:   > In less than two weeks I will have the pleasure of flying from San > Francisco to Rochester (NY) to play a memorial service of a dear friend. > The funeral chapel tells me they have a Hammond A100 (with pipes, no > less ??) and plenty of pedals. > > So far I have seen a picture of this machine via the WWW but I would > really appreciate some hints as to registration. I'm pretty sure you > can do things manually with the drawbars but I also think the reversed > keys on the left side of both manuals are presets. > > If you can supply some hints to this neophyte Hammond player, I would > very much appreciate it. > > --George Husson > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: New Austin organ From: Larry Rose <larry@mail.challengerltd.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:29:27 -0400   bruce cornely wrote: > > >The St. Andrew's organ is on what you might > > call a single chest. There are actually four > > main chest atop a single air box. You can > > walk straight through, side to side with no > > problem, unless you happen to be over six > > feet tall. > What kind of tremulant is used, if all are winded from the same "air > box." > The Austin I used to play had fan-tremulants which actually worked very > well. > > .......................bruce cornely........................ > o o o o ______________ o o o o > o h o o ______________ o o g o > o o s o ______________ o a o o > > ............ cremona84000@webtv.net ............ > > The dog was created specifically for children. He is the god of frolic. > -- Henry Ward Beecher > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   The tremulants are the typical Austin fans that sit within the chamber. And, they likewise work very well.  
(back) Subject: Re: New Austin organ From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:37:39 -0400 (EDT)   I did not realize that Austin still used them; they sort of disappeared for a while. I always thought them a good idea; in addition to keeping the temperature down when you're reading in the swell on Saturday afternoon!   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o o h o o ______________ o o g o o o s o ______________ o a o o   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............     The dog was created specifically for children. He is the god of frolic. -- Henry Ward Beecher    
(back) Subject: Re: Playing a Hammond A100 From: Adrianne Schutt <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:01:24 -0700   At 03:29 PM 10/22/98 -0700, Bud wrote: >I never heard of a Hammond A100 with pipes, but I suppose ANYTHING'S >possible in this day and age ... more likely a fake facade. I'm betting on either a facade or just a representative who doesn't know anything about organs. Case in point of one piporg lover I know being told by a church's representative that they had a pipe organ, only to be directed to a Lowrey spinet. All organs are piporgs, all Hammonds are B3's, etc, etc.   >The Hammond A100 has 25 pedals, not 32. The four drawbars in the middle >(16-16-8-8) control the pedals. There's no manual to pedal coupler. There's >one expression shoe for the whole organ. A100's only have 2 pedal drawbars (16 and 8, from left to right). The only model to have 4 is H100. The gt to ped coupler is only found on model E (which is the only model with 2 expression shoes).   >The presets (reverse-color keys on the left) on all Hammonds (unless they've >been changed) are: FWIW, not all models have reverse colored keys for preset controls, and some models may have different factory preset voices than the ones listed.   >I think the A100 has two additional drawbars that won't be called for in any >Hammond registrations: > >Black - 1 1/7 >Black - 1 1/9 or whatever the None is You're thinking H100 again (2 sets of 10 drawbars, 2 sets of 11). A100s only have 9 drawbars per manual set. Essentially, an A100 is a B3 with internal speakers and reverb.   >There should be a "Chorus" tab (not Vibrato Chorus, just Chorus) ... that >takes some of the curse off the explosive "pop" of the Hammond key attack. This simply doesn't exist. The "just Chorus" that Hammond made was a second generator which could be turned on or off with an extra drawbar over near the start/run switches. My model E is one of the few models with this feature...a beautiful sound, but it has nothing to do with key click. Chorus generators were discontinued when vibrato came in ~1945....several years before A100's were even thought of.   George, here are my 3 best hints: 1) check out the Hammond/Leslie FAQ at http://theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/ (especially the drawbar registrations section) 2) look for a copy of "The Dictionary Of Hammond Organ Stops" by Stephens Irwin for a quick rough "stop to drawbar registration" guide (an excellent resource for the piporg player--out of print, but still out there to be had....good luck) 3) hop onto the Hammond List and ask the members' collective advice (with nearly 600 members, you're bound to pick up something useful) info on how is at http://hamtech.home.ml.org   Above all, relax....drawbars aren't as complicated as they look. Armed with a couple good registration suggestions and given a few minutes' prep time, you'll do fine.   Have fun! Adrianne ;-> Co-Admin, The Hammond List http://khyrstye.home.ml.org Northern Hammond E/D20/Leslie 147, Hammond CV/PR40/Leslie 122, Korg CX-3    
(back) Subject: Re: Playing a Hammond A100 From: Bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:15:11 -0700   All that may well be, but I played a Hammond A-100 at Holy Mother of Jesus Christ Polish National Catholic Church in San Diego within the last five years, and it had the controls I described. Bob Blake, who's one of the last living factory-trained Hammond servicemen, worked on it; HE said it was an A-100. I particularly remember the Chorus tab because it made a "roaring" noise when they first got the organ, and Bob had to fix it.   Regards,   Bud Clark St. M's-in-the-S-S Newport Beach CA USA   Adrianne Schutt wrote:   > At 03:29 PM 10/22/98 -0700, Bud wrote: > >I never heard of a Hammond A100 with pipes, but I suppose ANYTHING'S > >possible in this day and age ... more likely a fake facade. > I'm betting on either a facade or just a representative who doesn't know > anything about organs. Case in point of one piporg lover I know being told > by a church's representative that they had a pipe organ, only to be > directed to a Lowrey spinet. All organs are piporgs, all Hammonds are > B3's, etc, etc. > > >The Hammond A100 has 25 pedals, not 32. The four drawbars in the middle > >(16-16-8-8) control the pedals. There's no manual to pedal coupler. There's > >one expression shoe for the whole organ. > A100's only have 2 pedal drawbars (16 and 8, from left to right). The > only model to have 4 is H100. The gt to ped coupler is only found on model > E (which is the only model with 2 expression shoes). > > >The presets (reverse-color keys on the left) on all Hammonds (unless they've > >been changed) are: > FWIW, not all models have reverse colored keys for preset controls, and > some models may have different factory preset voices than the ones listed. > > >I think the A100 has two additional drawbars that won't be called for in any > >Hammond registrations: > > > >Black - 1 1/7 > >Black - 1 1/9 or whatever the None is > You're thinking H100 again (2 sets of 10 drawbars, 2 sets of 11). A100s > only have 9 drawbars per manual set. Essentially, an A100 is a B3 with > internal speakers and reverb. > > >There should be a "Chorus" tab (not Vibrato Chorus, just Chorus) ... that > >takes some of the curse off the explosive "pop" of the Hammond key attack. > This simply doesn't exist. The "just Chorus" that Hammond made was a > second generator which could be turned on or off with an extra drawbar over > near the start/run switches. My model E is one of the few models with this > feature...a beautiful sound, but it has nothing to do with key click. > Chorus generators were discontinued when vibrato came in ~1945....several > years before A100's were even thought of. > > George, here are my 3 best hints: > 1) check out the Hammond/Leslie FAQ at > http://theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/ (especially the drawbar registrations > section) > 2) look for a copy of "The Dictionary Of Hammond Organ Stops" by Stephens > Irwin for a quick rough "stop to drawbar registration" guide (an excellent > resource for the piporg player--out of print, but still out there to be > had....good luck) > 3) hop onto the Hammond List and ask the members' collective advice (with > nearly 600 members, you're bound to pick up something useful) info on how > is at http://hamtech.home.ml.org > > Above all, relax....drawbars aren't as complicated as they look. Armed > with a couple good registration suggestions and given a few minutes' prep > time, you'll do fine. > > Have fun! > Adrianne ;-> > Co-Admin, The Hammond List > http://khyrstye.home.ml.org > Northern Hammond E/D20/Leslie 147, Hammond CV/PR40/Leslie 122, Korg CX-3 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Sv: Jongen, bleh - Dupre rules! From: "Torben Krebs" <torbenkrebs@heaven.dk> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:39:45 +0200   Hello!   Talking about the Poulenc, does anybody on the list have an extra copy of the organ part of the Organ Concerto? It seems to be very difficult to obtain. If you order the score in France, it could take months....     Best wishes   Torben Krebs   ---------- Fra: Greg McAusland <gregorymca@pavilion.co.uk> Til: pipechat@pipechat.org Emne: Jongen, bleh - Dupre rules! Dato: 22. oktober 1998 20:02   Hi guys,   I used to go mad on the Poulenc Organ Concerto until I bought a copy of the Symphony for orchestra and organ by M. Dupre on the Willis 4 manual/pedal organ at the Royal Albert Hall, London. Recently I downloaded a MIDI file of the Symphony arranged on four staves from the net! No where seems to publish the work so I was very pleased that someone took the trouble to re-arrange it! Big Organpipe Greg (BOG)