PipeChat Digest #570 - Wednesday, October 28, 1998
 
ADMIN - Text Styles
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Shopping Center Church
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: I'm back!
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
[Fwd: amazing story] (From OH-L)
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: New member
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
re: kevin cartright            those amazing stories
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
[Fwd: amazing story] (From OH-L)
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Schoenstein orgues d' choeur
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: New member
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: For sale (X-posted)
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Navy Hymn & variations
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: [Fwd: amazing story] (From OH-L)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Gottfried Theatre Organs (x-posted)
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Shopping Center Church
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Chicago Area- Silent Film "Phantom of the Opera" x-posted
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
Re: ADMIN - Text Styles
  by "C.M.E.Kuyt" <C.M.E.Kuyt@cable.A2000.nl>
Re: New member
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Great Organ Improvisations (- re: Don Pribble)
  by "Greg McAusland" <gregorymca@pavilion.co.uk>
Dutch Organ Sites
  by "C.M.E.Kuyt" <C.M.E.Kuyt@cable.A2000.nl>
More Dutch
  by "Robert Ehrhardt" <robert.ehrhardt@mci2000.com>
Re: New member
  by <HOLYMUSIC@aol.com>
Re: Great Organ Improvisations - where?
  by "Jim Filsinger" <kimballl@yahoo.com>
Re: New member
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: New member
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: More Dutch
  by "C.M.E.Kuyt" <C.M.E.Kuyt@cable.A2000.nl>
Re: New member
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
 


(back) Subject: ADMIN - Text Styles From: Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:14:03 -0600   >Aida wrote: > >I use Netscape Communicator / Massenger, the latest 4.5 version. I mail >everything >in plain text and in HTML. >   Folks   Please use only Plain Text in sending mail to the PipeChat list. There are people on this list that have problems with receiving HTML formatted text due to tthe email clients they use. Plus messages sent in both plain text and HTML formatted text show up twice in the list digests which takes up a lot of extra space.   If you are unsure of how to change your setting please email me privately.   Remember, we want to make it possible for all members to participate in the list discussions. Although many of us have the latest software that can handle HTML text there are those that are using older software that cannot cope with it. Please be considerate of all the list members.   David   **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   850-478-9635 david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Shopping Center Church From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:57:44 -0600   Judy A. Ollikkala wrote: > > The largest church in Quebec City, Canada, now has its side door opening > into a shopping mall, not intended when the church was built, I'm sure, St. > Roch is the name and it houses a wonderful large Casavant.   Did the church build up to the mall, or did the mall build up to the church? A little of both, perhaps? Nice idea of "modern evangelism!" The youth group doesn't need a bus to go to the mall, and lunch is right out the door when church is over...   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com      
(back) Subject: Re: I'm back! From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:06:50 -0600   TM LAMMERS wrote:   > the 40+ mails every day again. Did I miss some important subjects?   Yes...the one asking why there are no longer 40+ mails a day like there used to be.   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com      
(back) Subject: [Fwd: amazing story] (From OH-L) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:04:21 -0600   This came in on "Organ Humor-l" (oh-l) and I though I'd pass it along. It seems to apply to existing pipeorgans and organbuilding as well...   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com ------------------------------------ > For the engineers among us who understand that the obvious is not > always the solution, and that the facts, no matter how implausible, > are still the facts ... > > A complaint was received by the Pontiac Division of General Motors: > > "This is the second time I have written you, and I don't blame you > for not answering me, because I kind of sounded crazy, but it is a > fact that we have a tradition in our family of ice cream for dessert > after dinner each night. But the kind of ice cream varies so, every > night, after we've eaten, the whole family votes on which kind of ice > cream we should have and I drive down to the store to get it. It's > also a fact that I recently purchased a new Pontiac and since then my > trips to the store have created a problem. You see, every time I buy > vanilla ice cream, when I start back from the store my car won't > start. If I get any other kind of ice cream, the car starts just > fine. I want you to know I'm serious about this question, no matter > how silly it sounds: 'What is there about a Pontiac that makes it not > start when I get vanilla ice cream, and easy to start whenever I get > any other kind?'" > > The Pontiac President was understandably skeptical about the > letter, but sent an engineer to check it out anyway. The latter > was surprised to be greeted by a successful, obviously > well-educated man in a fine neighborhood. He had arranged to meet > the man just after dinner time, so the two hopped into the car and > drove to the ice cream store. It was vanilla ice cream that night > and, sure enough, after they came back to the car, it wouldn't start. > > The engineer returned for three more nights. The first night, the man > got chocolate. The car started. The second night, he got strawberry. > The car started. The third night he ordered vanilla. The car failed > to start. > > Now the engineer, being a logical man, refused to believe that this > man's car was allergic to vanilla ice cream. He arranged, therefore, > to continue his visits for as long as it took to solve the problem. > And toward this end he began to take notes: he jotted down all sorts > of data, time of day, type of gas used, time to drive back and forth, > etc. > > In a short time, he had a clue: the man took less time to buy vanilla > than any other flavor. Why? The answer as in the layout of the store. > > Vanilla, being the most popular flavor, was in a separate case at the > front of the store for quick pickup. All the other flavors were kept > in the back of the store at a different counter where it took > considerably longer to find the flavor and get checked out. > > Now the question for the engineer was why the car wouldn't start when > it took less time. Once time became the problem -- not the vanilla > ice cream -- the engineer quickly came up with the answer: Vapor > Lock. It was happening every night, but the extra time taken to get > the other flavors allowed the engine to cool down sufficiently to > start. When the man got vanilla, the engine was still too hot for the > vapor lock to dissipate. > > Moral of the story: even insane-looking problems are sometimes real.      
(back) Subject: Re: New member From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:44:50 -0600 (CST)   At 09:21 PM 10/26/98 -0500, Judy Ollikkala wrote:   >The Montreal OHS Convention is from Thursday August 19 through Wednesday >August 25, a total of 7 days. (It's usually six days).   The OHS has a webpage at <www.organsociety.org> There will be pictures and other details of the Montreal Convention appearing there over the next few weeks, though I haven't looked very recently and I'm not sure if there is anything about the convention on the website yet.   John.    
(back) Subject: re: kevin cartright those amazing stories From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:56:59 -0500   Interesting Pontiac story......ran into some with organs and player pianos. Proven theory and practical application as regards to pressure and vacuum actions do not always hold true. Sometimes I've run into action problems where all such principals defy explanation as to why they (the actions) even work at all, given their present condition. What IS supposed to work according to basic principles, doesn't, and what isn't supposed to, does. Makes one scratch ones head a lot---maybe that's where that thinning spot came from. dutchorgan@svs.net    
(back) Subject: [Fwd: amazing story] (From OH-L) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:04:21 -0600   This came in on "Organ Humor-l" (oh-l) and I though I'd pass it along. It seems to apply to existing pipeorgans and organbuilding as well...   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com ------------------------------------ > For the engineers among us who understand that the obvious is not > always the solution, and that the facts, no matter how implausible, > are still the facts ... > > A complaint was received by the Pontiac Division of General Motors: > > "This is the second time I have written you, and I don't blame you > for not answering me, because I kind of sounded crazy, but it is a > fact that we have a tradition in our family of ice cream for dessert > after dinner each night. But the kind of ice cream varies so, every > night, after we've eaten, the whole family votes on which kind of ice > cream we should have and I drive down to the store to get it. It's > also a fact that I recently purchased a new Pontiac and since then my > trips to the store have created a problem. You see, every time I buy > vanilla ice cream, when I start back from the store my car won't > start. If I get any other kind of ice cream, the car starts just > fine. I want you to know I'm serious about this question, no matter > how silly it sounds: 'What is there about a Pontiac that makes it not > start when I get vanilla ice cream, and easy to start whenever I get > any other kind?'" > > The Pontiac President was understandably skeptical about the > letter, but sent an engineer to check it out anyway. The latter > was surprised to be greeted by a successful, obviously > well-educated man in a fine neighborhood. He had arranged to meet > the man just after dinner time, so the two hopped into the car and > drove to the ice cream store. It was vanilla ice cream that night > and, sure enough, after they came back to the car, it wouldn't start. > > The engineer returned for three more nights. The first night, the man > got chocolate. The car started. The second night, he got strawberry. > The car started. The third night he ordered vanilla. The car failed > to start. > > Now the engineer, being a logical man, refused to believe that this > man's car was allergic to vanilla ice cream. He arranged, therefore, > to continue his visits for as long as it took to solve the problem. > And toward this end he began to take notes: he jotted down all sorts > of data, time of day, type of gas used, time to drive back and forth, > etc. > > In a short time, he had a clue: the man took less time to buy vanilla > than any other flavor. Why? The answer as in the layout of the store. > > Vanilla, being the most popular flavor, was in a separate case at the > front of the store for quick pickup. All the other flavors were kept > in the back of the store at a different counter where it took > considerably longer to find the flavor and get checked out. > > Now the question for the engineer was why the car wouldn't start when > it took less time. Once time became the problem -- not the vanilla > ice cream -- the engineer quickly came up with the answer: Vapor > Lock. It was happening every night, but the extra time taken to get > the other flavors allowed the engine to cool down sufficiently to > start. When the man got vanilla, the engine was still too hot for the > vapor lock to dissipate. > > Moral of the story: even insane-looking problems are sometimes real.        
(back) Subject: Re: Schoenstein orgues d' choeur From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:31:22 -0400   The chambers are rather densely packed, and it has all kinds of space-saving things like mounting the 16' open wood horizontally on the top of the chamber. Basically, they put it in with a shoehorn....But unlike many organs in tight chambers, the sound does not seem to suffer.   Paul   >Thanks, Paul! > >EEEP! All that organ in that little church ... where did they PUT it >all??? The >stoplist looks like a practice run for the big Schoenstein in Lincoln ... >a lot >of the same ideas (double swell boxes, etc. ... never thought we'd see THOSE >built again ... grin!). Yep, it would certainly play their service, in SPADES. >They must have gotten some grant money, and/or courted a VERY wealthy donor. >   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: New member From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:15:41 -0400   I'll second that. Hello, Aida- I remember talking to you quite a bit. I'm the one who looks like Michael Barrone- tall, glasses, beard, ponytail--but a bit less hair on top. I don't know how I missed Bruce, though.   Paul Opel > >Bruce wrote: > >Welcome Aida! I'm the crazy guy with all of the >wierd T-Shirts with crazy slogans and dogs on them. >   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: For sale (X-posted) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:09:42 -0600   MWORGLBAU@aol.com wrote: > > Dear list members, > > A friend, who is not a member of this list, has asked me to forward the > following. If you are interested, please contact him directly, not me. He > (Devin Wozencraft) can be reached at : devinw@home.com. > > Thank you :-) > > > Michael R. Williamson > Williamson-Warne & Associates > Hollywood Ca. > > I need to sell a 4 month old Rodgers W-5000. It's light oak and has all > the new software upgrades. The organ is in "brand new" condition and I need to > sell it. I'm looking to sell this thing quickly and for a sweet deal. Thanks, > Devin.   What kind of organ is a Rodgers W-5000?   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com    
(back) Subject: Navy Hymn & variations From: Myosotis51@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:12:48 EST   Thought this was interesting - <A HREF="http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/questions/eternal.html">Navy FAQ: Navy Hymn, Eternal Father</A>     Vicki Ceruti  
(back) Subject: Re: [Fwd: amazing story] (From OH-L) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:18:17 -0600 (CST)   At 09:04 PM 10/26/98 -0600, Kenin Cartwright wrote:   >This came in on "Organ Humor-l" (oh-l) and I though I'd pass it along. >It seems to apply to existing pipeorgans and organbuilding as well...   >> Moral of the story: even insane-looking problems are sometimes real.   My former boss was once called in by a church who complained that low C of the Great Open Diapason didn't play during the services except when the choir was singing. It worked fine when the choir was singing, and the rest of the time, outside of services, it worked fine too. It was working fine when the organ builder got there. It took him considerable research to discover what was happening. One of the basses in the choir, not realizing that the facade pipes worked, was placing his hymnal on a ledge every time he sat down, in such a way that it was directly in front of the mouth of the pipe. Again the moral holds true: even insane-looing problems are sometimes real.   John.    
(back) Subject: Gottfried Theatre Organs (x-posted) From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:12:07 -0600   A local enthusiast (Chicago Area) is looking forward for a Gottfried Theatre organ to install in a theatre which is being renovated as a performing arts center. Theatre originally had a Gottfried organ which was removed years ago and did not survive as an intact instrument. Parts of it was used in a local roller rink (also long gone). They would like to have another Gottfried organ as part of the restoration. If you know of a Gottfried organ that may be available please email me privately and I will forward the information.   thanks,   Jon C. Habermaas  
(back) Subject: Re: Shopping Center Church From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:59:50 EST   In a message dated 10/27/98 6:30:25 AM Central Standard Time, kevin1@alaweb.com writes:   << Nice idea of "modern evangelism!" The youth group doesn't need a bus to go to the mall, and lunch is right out the door when church is over... >>   Now that is a healthy attitude... AND just think the shoppers get free organ concerts too, especially appreciated around Christmas!   John Gambill  
(back) Subject: Chicago Area- Silent Film "Phantom of the Opera" x-posted From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:01:59 -0600   On Thursday October 29th at 7:30 PM the Pickwick Theatre in Park Ridge, Illinois proudly presents the silent movie classic "Phantom of the Opera" with Lon Chaney. The Pickwick's original 3/11 WurliTzer will be doing what it was built for..accompanying a silent film with photoplay by Jay Warren at the console. For show information call 847/825-5800. Don't miss this special program.   regards,   Jon C. Habermaas  
(back) Subject: Re: ADMIN - Text Styles From: "C.M.E.Kuyt" <C.M.E.Kuyt@cable.A2000.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:08:37 +0100       Administrator wrote:   > Please be considerate of all the list members. > > David > > **************************************** > David Scribner > Co-Owner / Technical Administrator > PipeChat   Sorry David,   I thought I actually was being considerate by mailing it in plain text for those without, and in HTML for those with more recent software.   But, okay, I'll try to control myself. Such a shame none of you will see my italics anymore ...     Aida van de Brake.    
(back) Subject: Re: New member From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:50:09 -0500   Paul Opel, how could you miss Bruce at OHS, he runs up and talks to everybody there! And you can't miss his t-shirts! Bruce, (or anyone), would you like a denim blue one with gold lettering advertising our Region One AGO Convention in Worcester June 27-30, 1999 with my organ crawl on Thursday July 1. Only $10.00. I wore mine in Denver.  
(back) Subject: Great Organ Improvisations (- re: Don Pribble) From: "Greg McAusland" <gregorymca@pavilion.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:58:37 -0000   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE01DB.CE4D7180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I'd love a young man to pull out all the stops for me . . . having a = tracker Bishops with no registrational aids.   Talking about churches in shopping precincts - most people treat the = shopping mall as the Sunday Church nowadays!!   You may be interested to know that a theatre organ was built into a = shopping centre here in Boscombe, UK. The front of the instrument = backed into a cinema and the back of the organ was in the adjoining = mall. What a bargain - two for one!   It made me think, perhaps we should build churches adjoining theatres, = concert halls, town and municipal halls. HeeHee!     Big Organpipe Greg (BOG)   ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE01DB.CE4D7180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I'd love a young man to pull out all = the stops=20 for me . . . having a tracker Bishops with no registrational = aids.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Talking about churches in shopping precincts - most = people=20 treat the shopping mall as the Sunday Church nowadays!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>You may be interested to know that a theatre organ = was built=20 into a shopping centre here in Boscombe, UK.&nbsp; The front of the = instrument=20 backed into a cinema and the back of the organ was in the adjoining = mall.&nbsp;=20 What a bargain - two for one!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>It made me think, perhaps we should build churches = adjoining=20 theatres, concert halls, town and municipal halls.&nbsp; = HeeHee!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Big Organpipe Greg=20 (BOG)</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE01DB.CE4D7180--    
(back) Subject: Dutch Organ Sites From: "C.M.E.Kuyt" <C.M.E.Kuyt@cable.A2000.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:07:14 +0100   The results of a quick search on the web (originally meant for Rick Dutchorgan):     http://www.caiw.nl/~havo/nl_home.htm http://huizen.daxis.nl/ppaardekam/ http://www.infoplaza.nl/draaiorgels/ http://home.worldonline.nl/~marenghi/ http://www.pluer.nl/index.htm http://www.psy.vu.nl/homes/johan/orgels/orgels.nl.html http://www.gnn-nl.demon.nl/multimedia/draaiorgel/ http://www.nbt-holland.or.jp/sound-organ.html http://www.mediaal.nl/koopvideo/22_54.htm#orgelsopwielen http://ping4.ping.be/logos/barrelorgan.html http://www.cybercomm.nl/~discus/english/links.html http://mmd.foxtail.com/Archives/KWIC/D/dutch.html http://web.cnam.fr/museum/musica_mecanica/a/musee/hollande/index.html     Maybe something new there.       Aida.  
(back) Subject: More Dutch From: Robert Ehrhardt <robert.ehrhardt@mci2000.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:20:24 -0500   I lived in the Netherlands for about seven years and worked very hard at learning the language. It was most discouraging to go to the bakery and order some rolls (broodjes) and be asked in almost unaccented English "and how many will that be, sir?"   If you want to start a rousing argument in Holland, ask any group of two or more Nederlanders if, with all thoses words in Dutch that end in "en" whether the final "n" is pronounced!   Finally, as soon as you think you have a good grasp of spoken Dutch, take a little trip to Maastricht.   -- Robert Ehrhardt <robert.ehrhardt@mci2000.com> Noel Memorial UMC,Shreveport, LA Team AMIGA    
(back) Subject: Re: New member From: HOLYMUSIC@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:27:40 EST   Thanks for the OHS info... Nae Pearson  
(back) Subject: Re: Great Organ Improvisations - where? From: Jim Filsinger <kimballl@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:53:10 -0800 (PST)             ---bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net> wrote: > > >Where else have listers experienced > > memorable improvisations in worship > > services? > > .......................bruce cornely........................ > o o o o ______________ o o o o > d o g o ______________ s n o w > o d o o ______________ o o o o > > ............ cremona84000@webtv.net ............ > > > If a dog's prayers were answered, bones would rain from the sky. -- > Proverb > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com    
(back) Subject: Re: New member From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:01:32 -0500 (EST)     >would you like a denim blue one with gold > lettering advertising our Region One AGO > Convention in Worcester June 27-30, 1999 > with my organ crawl on Thursday July 1. Only > $10.00. YIKES!!! Pay for a shirt? Isn't OHS in August? or July?   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o d o g o ______________ s n o w o d o o ______________ o o o o   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............     Say something idiotic and nobody but a dog politely wags his tail. -- Virginia Graham    
(back) Subject: Re: New member From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:20:54 -0500   OHS is in August, Region I Convention is end of June-July1.  
(back) Subject: Re: More Dutch From: "C.M.E.Kuyt" <C.M.E.Kuyt@cable.A2000.nl> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:57:55 +0100       Robert Ehrhardt wrote: > > I lived in the Netherlands ... > > If you want to start a rousing argument in Holland, > ask any group of two or more Nederlanders if, with > all thoses words in Dutch that end in "en" whether > the final "n" is pronounced! >   Rick Dutchorgan wrote: > Aida van der Brake     If you want to start a real fight with a Nederlander, just call them 'ter' instead of 'van' or 'van der' instead of 'van de'!! \:-]       Aida VAN DE Brake.  
(back) Subject: Re: New member From: Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:20:35 -0800   bruce cornely wrote: > ...YIKES!!! Pay for a shirt? Isn't OHS in August? or July?     Yeah, and Montreal can get pretty warm in July/August. I was there once (Expo 67).   Mac Hayes