PipeChat Digest #571 - Thursday, October 29, 1998
 
Re: Dutch Organ Sites
  by "Vincent Lef vre" <vlefevere@unicall.be>
Re: Dutch Organ Sites
  by "CJSD" <noto@river.netrover.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #570 - 10/28/98
  by <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com>
Re: C  S J D       Dutch Organ List
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #570 - 10/28/98
  by "Roger Pariseau" <grinder@west.net>
15,000 to hear the ACCHO
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: 15,000 to hear the ACCHO
  by "Jim Swist" <jswist@quickturn.com>
More tales from the front
  by "Richard F. Weber" <rweber@Aero.net>
15,000 to hear the ACCHO - Follow-up
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: 15,000 to hear the ACCHO
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: WVU-
  by "Craig Kesner" <friarcraig@hotmail.com>
Churches in Shopping centers
  by "Craig Kesner" <friarcraig@hotmail.com>
Re: Great Organ Improvisations - where?
  by "Craig Kesner" <friarcraig@hotmail.com>
Re: Churches in Shopping centers
  by "Jim Swist" <jswist@quickturn.com>
Re: Great Organ Improvisations - where?
  by "Jim Swist" <jswist@quickturn.com>
doug campbell
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: New member
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: Churches in Shopping centers
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Transposition? Improvisation? Great services?
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Transposition? Improvisation? Great services?
  by "j nathan" <jnatpat@sunsix.infi.net>
silent movies
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
The Phantom of the Pipes (x-cross)
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #570 - 10/28/98
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Dutch Organ Sites From: "Vincent Lefèvre" <vlefevere@unicall.be> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:11:30 +0100       C.M.E.Kuyt wrote:   > The results of a quick search on the web (originally meant for Rick > Dutchorgan): > > http://www.caiw.nl/~havo/nl_home.htm > http://huizen.daxis.nl/ppaardekam/ > http://www.infoplaza.nl/draaiorgels/ > http://home.worldonline.nl/~marenghi/ > http://www.pluer.nl/index.htm > http://www.psy.vu.nl/homes/johan/orgels/orgels.nl.html > http://www.gnn-nl.demon.nl/multimedia/draaiorgel/ > http://www.nbt-holland.or.jp/sound-organ.html > http://www.mediaal.nl/koopvideo/22_54.htm#orgelsopwielen > http://ping4.ping.be/logos/barrelorgan.html > http://www.cybercomm.nl/~discus/english/links.html > http://mmd.foxtail.com/Archives/KWIC/D/dutch.html > http://web.cnam.fr/museum/musica_mecanica/a/musee/hollande/index.html > > Maybe something new there. > > Aida. > > In addition: a flemish site http://uc2.unicall.be/vlefevere/index.htm        
(back) Subject: Re: Dutch Organ Sites From: CJSD <noto@river.netrover.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:04:56 -0500 (EST)   Some more Dutch organ sites which may be of interest:   http://www.xs4all.nl/~betlehem/gnd.html http://www.kerknet.smra.nl/~carla/infohtml/gebouw.html http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/ESV/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/8779/index.html http://home.wxs.nl/~bovenkerk/ http://www.qstone.nl/orgelland/ http://www.gironet.nl/home/tvroon/stbehorg.html   ************************************************************ Simon Dyk Toronto Canada   GOBER ORGANS INC. http://www.interlog.com/~goberorg CHURCH OF THE TRANSFIGURATION http://www.interlog.com/~transfig/trans.htm PERSONAL HOME PAGE: http://www.netrover.com/~noto/gober/~noto.html      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #570 - 10/28/98 From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:26:37 -0500     Kevin wrote...   <<What kind of organ is a Rodgers W-5000?>>     Kevin,   I've never heard one, but from looking at the literature, I would call it a "Rodgers B-3"! I think it's actually a cross between an electronic keyboard, Hammond B-3, and Rodgers classical organ. It has drawbars, along with Rodgers voices, and the cabinet even looks like a B-3. I don't have the literature in front of me now, but I seem to recall that there is a 61-key upper manual with a lower 88-note keyboard and 25 or so pedals (another similarity to the Hammond), and I think it sells for somewhere in the neighborhood of $25,000 new. It appears to be designed to handle a variety of musical styles, from classical to gospel to "happy-clappy."   Rodgers dealers: Please set flame throwers on "stun"; I'm sure the W-5000 can do a lot that the B-3 couldn't (after all the electronic components have advanced quite a bit since the B-3), but there IS quite a resemblance between the instruments.     PS: How are Mom, Dad, and the neighbors handling your "residence- installation" pipe organ these days, Kevin?    
(back) Subject: Re: C S J D Dutch Organ List From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:33:31 -0500   Thank you, sir, for this list. Will be put to good use. Your's, Rick Veague dutchorgan@svs.net    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #570 - 10/28/98 From: Roger Pariseau <grinder@west.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:51:45 -0800   George.Greene@rossnutrition.com wrote: > > Kevin wrote... > > <<What kind of organ is a Rodgers W-5000?>> > > Kevin, > > I've never heard one, but from looking at the literature, I would > call it a "Rodgers B-3"! I think it's actually a cross between an > electronic keyboard, Hammond B-3, and Rodgers classical organ. > It has drawbars, along with Rodgers voices, and the cabinet even > looks like a B-3.   Could it be a Wersi? Might it be a _W_ersi?? Just bet it _is_ a Wersi!   -- Roger  
(back) Subject: 15,000 to hear the ACCHO From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:06:19 -0600   This just in ....   The great 447-rank Midmer-Losh organ in the Atlantic City Convention Hall will be used this weekend for the major fight between Prince Naseem Hamed and Wayne McCullough that will be held there for an anticipated audience of 15,000 people.   This is the first time in recent history that the organ has been used for an event of this type. Usually, fights are held in the Ballroom, however, this time, the Hall will be used.   Resident organist, Timothy Hoag is fired up for the event. The organ won't just be used for the National Anthem, it will be used to provide 'Halloween' organ music as well ....   Join the ACCHOS (Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ Society, Inc.) now and receive the first quarterly issue of THE GRAND OPHICLEIDE just published. Members can also obtain two pamphlets, THE WORLD'S LARGEST ORGAN and INDEX OF STOPS ON THE MAIN AUDITORIUM, both written by Stephen D. Smith. The INDEX OF STOPS is an invaluable resource tool in the form of a numerically ordered index of all 336 stops including details of construction, wind pressure, scale, available pitches, and locations.   Please see the website at http://www.acchos.org for stoplists and photos, plus details about joining and obtaining pamphlets.   Questions? mailto:info@acchos.org   David Scribner Communications Director ACCHOS  
(back) Subject: Re: 15,000 to hear the ACCHO From: Jim Swist <jswist@quickturn.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:09:08 -0500   David Scribner wrote: > > This just in .... > > The great 447-rank Midmer-Losh organ in the Atlantic City Convention > Hall will be used this weekend for the major fight between Prince   Just out of curiousity, what is the current condition of this instrument? How much of it is playing? What are its major problems, etc?  
(back) Subject: More tales from the front From: "Richard F. Weber" <rweber@Aero.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:19:49 -0800   Some years ago, the firm I work for was called in by the nun organist in a local Catholic church. She wanted us to disconnect the very woofy pedal 16' Open Diapason. She wouldn't give us any reason for this. After some prodding, she finally blurted out, "well if you must know, it makes my breasts quiver!"   Doubtless a proximate occasion of sin, or at least temptation.   Richard Weber    
(back) Subject: 15,000 to hear the ACCHO - Follow-up From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:55:19 -0600   Actually, that subject header is wrong! The organ will be heard by thousands, if not millions of people!!   I have just discovered that the fight will be broadcast on HBO at 9:45 PM Eastern Time on Saturday night. I know that I'm not a fight fan but I am going to watch it just to hear the organ. Of course, some of us, the Board of Directors of the ACCHOS, will be there in person on Tuesday for recording sessions.   David Scribner Communications Director ACCHOS http://www.acchos.org    
(back) Subject: Re: 15,000 to hear the ACCHO From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:08:26 -0600   >Jim Swist wrote: >Just out of curiousity, what is the current condition of this >instrument? How much of it is playing? What are its major problems, >etc? >   Jim   The Board of Directors of the ACCHOS will be in Atlantic City next week. We have arranged for two days of recording sessions for a compact disk release by the ACCHOS. Following the visit we will be writing up the visit, conditions of the organs and what it's problems are for the next issue of THE GRAND OPHICLEIDE which goes via snail mail to the members of the society. Hopefully, we will also have along two or three of our Patrons who are organ builders. If they do join us we will be asking them to write up their feelings, opinions, concerns, etc. to publish in the G.O.   For more information on membership and how to join so that you receive this next issue please see our web site at: http://www.acchos.org   David Scribner Communications Director ACCHOS  
(back) Subject: Re: WVU- From: "Craig Kesner" <friarcraig@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:07:47 PST   Dear Stan:   I did know Dr HAller while at WVU but I did my organ work with Peter Dubois of Charleston WV(at that time). I had begun studies with him as a student of West Virginia Wesleyan college(4 man Cassavnt) and continued with him after my transfer.   Dr HAller is a great organist, whom I like very much both as a musician and a person. Even if he does have a great like for Schantz.   b craig     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Churches in Shopping centers From: "Craig Kesner" <friarcraig@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:11:43 PST   I was interested to discover, when I joined the Carmelites that Chapels in Shopping centers was quite the rage at one point in history. We still have two , one in ParamusNJ and one in Peabody Mass. Not my idea of fun, but people come! Of course niether one has a decent organ!   b craig     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Great Organ Improvisations - where? From: "Craig Kesner" <friarcraig@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:22:01 PST   I have been continually impressd with the improvasation work of Robert Grogan and Peter LAtona at the Basillica of the NAtional Shrine of The Immaculate Conception, and the work of Douglass Major over at the National Cathedral in DC.   b craig     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Churches in Shopping centers From: Jim Swist <jswist@quickturn.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:23:56 -0500   Craig Kesner wrote: > > I was interested to discover, when I joined the Carmelites that Chapels > in Shopping centers was quite the rage at one point in history. We > still have two , one in ParamusNJ and one in Peabody Mass. Not my idea > of fun, but people come! Of course niether one has a decent organ!   There was one (a chapel) in Boston's Logan International Airport, which is a huge place and you wouldn't find it unless you looked very hard.   I don't know if it is still there. "Chapels" seem to always have a Hammond. In many cases never played as there are no services there - it's just a place for people to stop and pray before getting on an Aeroflot flight.   Of course then you have the the Cadet "Chapel" at West Point or similar such misnamed mini-cathedrals (like at some prep schools in New England with serious pipe organs in them).  
(back) Subject: Re: Great Organ Improvisations - where? From: Jim Swist <jswist@quickturn.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:33:20 -0500   It is interesting that in the AGO exams, improvisation would seem to have a lower level of importance than transposition. It doesn't even appear on the first level test (Service Playing Certificate) whereas transposition does.   I don't think you can consider yourself an organist in even the most modest of situations without at least some rudimentary improvisation skills. It will probably come up in the first service you play! Transposition, particularly "on the fly" is a useful skill but I sure don't get much call for it (usually if you need to do it you know about it in advance and that's not the same deal at all).   "Play somthing, quick!" is a lot more likely to occur than the entire choir showing up with a cold thus requiring you to pitch the anthem down a step at sight...  
(back) Subject: doug campbell From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:49:03 -0500   Hi, Doug.....ah, yes...Black Beauty....that super-duper Rodgers that Fox toured with back in the '70's. Have LP's of Fox at Filmore East. Jongans music is by far the best I've heard in organ/orchestra. Thankx for writing Rick dutchorgan@svs.net    
(back) Subject: Re: New member From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:46:34 -0800   At 11:20 PM 10/27/98 -0800, Mac Hayes wrote: > >Yeah, and Montreal can get pretty warm in July/August. I was there once >(Expo 67).   I was there, too! Hot...and MUGGY.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Churches in Shopping centers From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:43:26 -0600   Jim Swist wrote: > > Craig Kesner wrote: > > > > I was interested to discover, when I joined the Carmelites that Chapels > > in Shopping centers was quite the rage at one point in history. We > > still have two , one in ParamusNJ and one in Peabody Mass. Not my idea > > of fun, but people come! Of course niether one has a decent organ! > > There was one (a chapel) in Boston's Logan International Airport, which > is a huge place and you wouldn't find it unless you looked very hard. > > I don't know if it is still there. "Chapels" seem to always have > a Hammond. In many cases never played as there are no services there > - it's just a place for people to stop and pray before getting on > an Aeroflot flight.   Add the international airport in Atlanta. I think they have a Hammond too. Anybody know any more than me. The chapel, however, is very easy to find, as it is on one of the main pathways from entrance to airport security checkpoint and subway station (links concourses...interesting little AdTranza computerized, rubber wheeled train thingy). I think it has seven stops?   Anyway, also there are a lot of nice organs in Atlanta I've never played...   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Transposition? Improvisation? Great services? From: DudelK@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:45:50 EST   Jim's thoughts are most interesting. I can't recall the last time I was asked to transpose something -- and if I were, I would have to write it out unless it were a very familiar hymn tune that would lend itself to easy transposition.   On the other hand, I can rarely think of an occasion in playing for church when I didn't have to do some "fill-in."   I subscribe to the idea that there is a difference between improvisation and extemporization or noodling or whatever. I would never presume to dignify anything I do on the spot with the term "improvisation," but I never have a problem with fill-in music or semi-spontaneous hymn accompaniments. Music theory professors would probably shudder at some of what I come up with in terms of technical acumen, but I have gotten more than a few favorable comments along the way. I guess I have picked up a few "tricks" from listening to some of the more accomplished organists I've heard.   Rather than continuing a thread on great improvisations, I think it might be more interesting to have one on "great hymn playing" or "great service playing" and where to find them.   When choosing a church to visit, particularly when traveling, I'm far more interested in knowing where I can find a really exciting -- or at least inspiring -- service player than someone who can play major repertoire for preludes and postludes, as well as being able to hear a really fine choir.   Some of the folks I would place in that category are now deceased or retired, and I suspect some others still working are over-rated or merely rely on "formulas" that have been repeated ad nauseam.   I had the good fortune to work many years ago with one of the finest church musicians in this country, who, even now well into years beyond which many retire, is doing some of the finest work of his career and is widely acknowledged for his taste, talent, and refinement.   I would ask, then, when in a major city (please identify), where would you go to hear a really thrilling service? I was in New York a few weeks ago and visited some of the places that used to produce that "thrill," and also visited some others where I suspected things were even more interesting. I also attended one service that was totally disappointing because the organ/organist drowned out both the choir and the (admittedly small) congregation.   So, if you're inclined, take the challenge, and suggest to the rest of us where you would go in any major city if you were able to attend only one Sunday service. (At the same time, we can all heave a collective sigh for some of the places where the once-vaunted glory has faded without mentioning them by name).   And that's the news from Lake Wobegon where . . . . . ...  
(back) Subject: Re: Transposition? Improvisation? Great services? From: j nathan <jnatpat@sunsix.infi.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:20:17 -0600   > So, if you're inclined, take the challenge, and suggest to the rest of us > where you would go in any major city if you were able to attend only one > Sunday service.   Howdy....interesting Thread, Dude~   In my area...Lexington Ky..Dr. Schuyler Robinson at Christ Church Cathedral , Nashville, Tn...Dr. Michael Velting at Christ Church Cathedral, or Wilma Jensen at St. George's Episcopal. None of the 3 of them are especially showy or theatrical..but the epitomy of good taste and refinement, and never fail to leave me musically fulfilled as well as challenged.   JNP  
(back) Subject: silent movies From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:33:14 -0500   Many a theatre organist had to improvise on the spot while playing silent movies. Many had cue sheets that came with the films, but many a playing was done off the top of the head. I've played many silents. I too enjoy a good, large choir with tasteful organ accompaniment. dutchorgan@svs.net    
(back) Subject: The Phantom of the Pipes (x-cross) From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:50:45 -0500   Greetings   For ``listers'' who live in or near the Syracuse, New York, area there will be a Halloween Sound and Light Program titled ``The Phantom of the Pipes'' at First English Lutheran Church, 501 James Street (corner of James and Townsend Streets), in Syracuse. This will be on Saturday, October 31st at 7pm. The rich and powerful historic Moeller Organ will thrill the ears, the special effects will dazzle the eyes, and the kiddies will have a safe and secure `trick or treat' immediately following the concert. Organists Lee Johnston and David Enos will offer up a witches brew of storm music and powerful earth-shaking Toccatas and Bonnie Beth Derby will solo on the `Sewer Horn' in a special performance of the Concerto for Sewer Horn and Organ by Padres Martini and Rossi. Come in costume. Admission is a canned or boxed, non perishable, food item. However, do not be frightened at this extraordinary Halloween affair!   Booooooooo   Bonnie Beth Derby orge@dreamscape.com  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #570 - 10/28/98 From: Tom Hoehn <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:00:26 -0500   In reply to Kevin's question about the Rodgers W-5000:   The instrument has a 61 note upper manual and a 73 note lower manual with more of a piano like feel. The sounds are digitally sampled and eminate from three different sources: A Rodgers classical module, a Roland Synthesizer module and a Roland drawbar module. The instrument is self contained but has inputs and outputs of many varieties so the instrument can be plugged into just about any sound system. Jacks on the back will drive a Leslie cabinet or Rodgers cabinets as well as midi (in,out,thru). Each of the 'stops' is programable as to voice and each voice can be programmed as far as attack, decay, tremulant, etc. The 'leslie' sound (electronic) is quite authentic sounding.   I have had the pleasure of playing one of these instruments for the last three years here in Clearwater at an annual event called the Festival of Trees and Lights. The event takes place the week of Thanksgiving and features continuous entertainment and some of the most beautifully decorated Christmas trees around. The organ is used to accompany all types of groups as well as solo presentations as well.   The instrument has a built in midi sequencer and disk drive. Eight general presets facilitate easy registration changes. Combinations can be saved to 3.5" floppy disks, and preset disks are also available (maybe Mark Huth has recorded some of his favorite sounds as well).   I strongly recommend playing one if you get the chance, it's really quite an experience. You have to rethink your ways of registration and think of yourself as an orchestral conductor instead of just an organist.   The classic organ sounds are pure, the syntesizer module has sound of the best string and brass sounds I've ever heard and the drawbars behave just like Hammond's.   As a side note I understand that the Brooklyn Tabernacle in NYC has just purchased one of these instruments and they thoroughly love it.   Tom Hoehn, Organist Trinity Presbyterian Church Clearwater, Florida   PS: Sorry this sounds like an ad, but I really love playing this instrument.