PipeChat Digest #513 - Tuesday, September 8, 1998
 
Re: U.M.Bethany proposal
  by <HMPORG1@aol.com>
Re: Uncle Milt's ...
  by "Duane Austin" <duanet@execpc.com>
Re: U.M.Bethany proposal
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Bethany U. M.
  by "Bob Nickel" <rnickel@itol.com>
Simple Repairs
  by "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com>
Tracker Actions: (To "float", or not to "float")
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: Uncle Milt's ...
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net>
New pipe organ in Oklahoma city
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: New pipe organ in Oklahoma city
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: New pipe organ in Oklahoma city
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: New pipe organ arriving in Oklahoma City
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net>
Organs between here and there...
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: "ORANGIST"
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: New pipe organ in Oklahoma city
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: Bethany U.M. Church
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: New pipe organ in Oklahoma city
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: Bethany U.M. Church
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: New pipe organ in Oklahoma city
  by <GSandlawn@aol.com>
MP3 files for organ fans
  by "jcmoore" <moorehse@midwest.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: U.M.Bethany proposal From: HMPORG1@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 06:57:26 EDT   The Austin system is the best of all. Minimjm leather and rock steady wind!. Unless, of course, you want "flexible wind" which you always have to a degree with slider chests depending upon how many stops you draw. I vote for steady wind. Hear hear for the Austin Universal Windchest!  
(back) Subject: Re: Uncle Milt's ... From: Duane Austin <duanet@execpc.com> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 06:54:27 -0500   Greetings The Piper Music Palace , In Greenfield, Wi.(sub of Milwaukee ) is a good example of Pipe organ equipped restaurant. The Organ is very good . The organists are also very good, BUT the food is excellent!! As the congenial host ( most of the time) Mr. Gary Hanson is quick to point out " The organ will bring them in the first time , but if you don't have good food , they won't come back , and come back they do, for almost 20 years!!!! If you get to Milwaukee try the Piper Music Palace, But if you go on Friday or Saturday evening be ready to stand in line and wait .   Roger Pariseau wrote:   > V. David Barton wrote: > > > It doesn't particularly surprise me. Organ music (even TO music) is a > > pretty specialized genre, and not to everybody's taste. And, ultimately, > > for such a business to succeed, the pizza must be good; man does not live by > > music alone! ;^) > > Hear! Hear! The Paramount Music Theatre in Indianapolis would have > gotten a lot more of my money (and still probably be open) if the food > hadn't been so sucky and the sets longer and more frequent. No amount > of constructive cricism from their patrons and from the press critics > seemed to dent the owners' attitude. > > It was a real study in why friends shouldn't partner! > > -- > Roger > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: U.M.Bethany proposal From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:39:15 -0400 (EDT)     >The Austin system is the best of all.... >Minimum leather and rock steady wind!... > Hear hear for the Austin Universal Windchest!   Not to mention it is the only windchest in which you can arrange furniture for those days when you "just want to get away from it all!" ;-)   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o o h o o ______________ o o g o o o s o ______________ o a o o   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............   Dogs love company. They place it first in their short list of needs. --- J. R. Ackerly    
(back) Subject: Bethany U. M. From: Bob Nickel <rnickel@itol.com> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 08:10:56 -0500   My final list:   Mechancial Action Attached console   Great:   Flute 8' Principal 4' Flute 4' Octave 2'   Swell:   Gemshorn 8' Flute 4' Flute 2 2/3'   Pedal:   Subbass 16' Flute 8'   I've also enjoyed the following comments from others:   1) Check out the Organ Clearing House. 2) A church that only has four in the choir probably doesn't have funding, etc. Is this rebuild/new installation even a consideration? 3) This is the only place we can dream out loud. It is true ...   Have a great Labor Day Weekend!   Bob Nickel Organist, Choir Director, Handbell Choir Director, Brass Ensemble Director, Director of Music, Worship Committee Chair, Acolyte, Substitute Secretary, and the list goes on. (Isn't that why we do this?)    
(back) Subject: Simple Repairs From: "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 98 09:18:23 -0000   Bruce is right!   Simple repairs can (and often should) be done by a competent organist.   But, there are so many organists who are afraid to get their hands dirty and maybe get a blood blister from removing screws!   Oh, don't forget the need to learn how to use a hot glue pot and the fun of cleaning the glue off hands, feet, tables, etc!   And a thousand lashes with a wet noodle to those who even look at ELmer's White glue!   Have a wonderful Labor Day!   T> Gregory  
(back) Subject: Tracker Actions: (To "float", or not to "float") From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 10:28:37 -0700   On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 19:12:52 -0500 Robert Horton <r-horton@nwu.edu> writes:   <"floating" tracker actions>   > Aren't floating actions going out of style now? I believe the > direct suspended action is currently preferred, especially when the > claviers are furnished with adjusting screws to compensate for changes > in humidity.   A few years ago, I worked on an instrument with this kind of action from a fledgling (since gone out of business!) builder, which was a complete disaster for the church! Actually, the action felt "funny" notwithstanding being of the "suspended" type, but being located up in Northen Wisconsin, where temperatures and humidity fluxuate to the extreme, the organ was constantly out of adjustment. I met the organist; an old lady in her 80's. You could bet your last dollar that she wasn't going to be adjusting that action regularly!   Just because an action is self-adjusting doesn't mean it can't be suspended! Back in 1987, our firm re-trackerized a Hinners organ and installed a new keydesk chassis as part of the re-building. The pick-up point is suspended directly behind the playing surface of the keys, but then goes through a series of squares above the keys backward in the case, to a second Square Rail, which is floated with dashpots to prevent suddent movement. It then goes through the Rollerboard up to the pallets.   If the action parts are lightweight and the friction points jewelled or otherwise provided with a means of providing frictionless bearing points to the action movement, the action is going to remain quite crisp and sensitive. Anyone who has played this instrument in the past 10 years will attest to that.   Faithfully,   / ^ ^ \ { (O) (O) } --------oOOOo--------U-------oOOOo------------     "Arp" in the "Corn Patch"   Rich Schneider SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston Street Post Office Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpncorn@davesworld.net EMAIL (Note change in ISP's Domain-Name!)  
(back) Subject: Re: Uncle Milt's ... From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 12:02:46 -0500   Duane Austin wrote: > > Greetings > The Piper Music Palace , In Greenfield, Wi.(sub of Milwaukee ) is a good example of Pipe organ equipped restaurant.   I can readily second Duane's recommendation. The following is quoted from an article in CATOE's August-September VoxCatoe newsletter promoting a CATOE fall excursion which will visit the Organ Piper as the final stop on a four venue trip: "Our last Dairyland stop will be at the Organ Piper Music Palace where our genial host Gary Hanson will be ready to welcome us. The success of the Organ Piper is due in no small measure to Gary's recognition that good music is best enjoyed when accompanied by good food and beverages. Last but certainly not least is our final artist of the day, Dave Wickerham who will give us a grand finale for our dairyland visit. Dave and this organ are a dynamite combination. Don't forget to tell Dave you want to see him show off the "Duck". Weu used to visit Dave when he played at a near Chicago pizza restaurant the "Pipe and Pizza" in Lansing, Il. The standing joke among organ fans was that you ate before you went to hear Dave. We used to nurse a pitcher of Coke most of the evening which gives you an indication of why the place went bust. It was recently taken over by the Beggar's Pizza chain and they use the organ several nights during the week. The feature at Beggars is the Pizza. Having visited the Paramount Music Palace, it is a toss up between which restaurant had the worst pizza, Paramount or the original Pipes and Pizza. Without a doubt "Organ Piper" in Greenfield, Wi, and the "Beggars" in Lansing, Il. are well worth visiting.   regards,   Jon C. Habermaas  
(back) Subject: New pipe organ in Oklahoma city From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:06:09 EDT   Hello out there,   Several days ago there were several postings on the web about a new pipe organ going into a church in Oklahoma City. I have managed to lose my printout of one of the listings, and have forgotten which church it is. Will someone who has this information and the address of the church please Email it to me.   Thanks ahead of time, Phil Lyons Jr. ORGANUT@AOL.COM  
(back) Subject: Re: New pipe organ in Oklahoma city From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:28:41 -0400 (EDT)   The new organ going to Oklahoma City is going to the Episcopal Cathedral downtown. I can't find the post, and don't remember the name, but it shouldn't be difficult to find You could go to the diocesan listings.   ........................bruce cornely........................ o o o o ______________ o o o o o h o o ______________ o o g o o o s o ______________ o a o o   ............. cremona84000@webtv.net ............   Dogs love company. They place it first in their short list of needs. --- J. R. Ackerly    
(back) Subject: Re: New pipe organ in Oklahoma city From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:38:51 -0500   I've got a note into Peter Storandt re the location of the Oklahoma City organ installation - he was the one who posted the notice. I'm sure he will either provide the info to the list or post to me and I'll forward.   Regards,   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: New pipe organ arriving in Oklahoma City From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:54:13 -0400   Dear Robert and List:   St. Paul's Episcopal Cathedral welcomes Jean-Paul Buzard's Opus 20 on Wednesday, September 9. All who wish to volunteer are welcome to assist in unloading the organ from the United Van Lines truck that day, beginning at 8:30 AM. This is a work event, not a ceremony; dress accordingly (and minimally--it's stll record-breaking hot here).   Cheers to all,   Peter Storandt OKC   (REPOSTED FROM PIPORG-L) /SJL  
(back) Subject: Organs between here and there... From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:17:11 -0500   Hello everyone. I am taking a trip from Greenville, Alabama to Phoenix, Arizona this December, 18, 1998. It will take us about two days to get there. I assume we are taking I-65 north to Highway 78, through the upper right corner of Mississippi, continuing to Memphis, Tennessee. Then, I-40 all the way to Arizona, then I-17 down to Phoenix. If anyone has an interesting organ to see or would like to meet us for a meal say, within a 20 minute's drive from the interstate, let me know! Since I have first signed on the list seven months ago, I have only met about two listmembers in my travels. I would like to meet some more. So, if I'm passing through your region, e-mail me, and I'd like to try arranging a meeting. It might be a little hard to give a time and place right now, as we have no determined schedule yet.   Also, if anyone would be kind enough to send Lew Williams' e-mail address, I would be very appreciative. That was one of many addresses and important letters lost during a little deleting war between our exchange student and I.   Thanks,   Kevin Cartwright Greenville, Alabama kevin1@alaweb.com    
(back) Subject: Re: "ORANGIST" From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:41:50 -0400 (EDT)   Excerpts from mail: 6-Sep-98 Re: "ORANGIST" by Wendell Openshaw@san.rr. > Stan, kindly stop misspelling my name! > Oh openshaw! I KNEW this would get me in trouble! Maybe I should have written "Orangist! Male bovine ordure!". Everyone knows what that is, right? :-)   Stan  
(back) Subject: Re: New pipe organ in Oklahoma city From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:04:04 EDT   Bruce,   Thank you for the quick reply to my question.   Phil Lyons Jr.  
(back) Subject: Re: Bethany U.M. Church From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:50:48 -0500   Jason D. Comet wrote:   Yadda, yadda, yadda...   > were considered. > > Well, what do you think?   I'll refer back to my rule #1 for convincing people...GET REAL!! A 200 saet nave?? That's barely enough for a 32' resultant beat to form. I hope you don't become a builder. Why not just buy an Allen, and/or sell the existing pipeorgan for some sheet music money (or lawsuit money after you burst someone's eardrums).   __________   AND:   *-*-*-*-*-*#9 spec*-*-*-*-*-*-*-**-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* THIS ONE WOULD BE FOR A TEACHIGN/PRACTICING INSTURMENT SOMEPLACE ELSE IN THE CHURCH!!!!!!   Great: 8 Principal 8 Gedecikt 4 Octave 4 Gemshorn (Sw) Sesquiltera II 2 Super Octave Mixture III 8 Fagotto (Sw) Tremulant   Swell: 8 Rohr Flute 8 Gemshorn 8 Celeste 4 Principal 4 Rohr Flute 2 Gemshorn 1 Rohr Flute 8 Fagotto Tremulant   Pedal: 16 Subbass 8 Principal 8 Rohrflute(Sw) 4 Octave 16 Fagott (Sw) 8 Fagott(Sw) 4 Fagott(Sw)   I like this one better for a 200 seat nave. Ditch the 1' stop, and you don't need the 4' reed in the pedal. I would suggest adding a soft 16' such as an Erzähler 16' to the pedal (so you'll have 2 16's now). You don't need a tremulant on the great unless you really want a theatre organ sound or something of the such. I (as an INDIVIDUAL) prefer an exposed great, no wind tricks (such as tremelo), and NO LANGUID NICKING in most ranks except maybe the Gedeckt. I would borrow something from the great for the pedal as well; such as 16' ind., 16' ind., 8' ind., 8' sw, 8' gt, 4' ind., 4' sw, 16'reed ext sw, 8' reed sw, gt-ped 8', sw-ped 8'. (That setup works well on a certain organ I'm thinking of.) Drop one of the mixtures in the great, and add an independant 2 2/3' stop in the swell.   BASICALLY--- Great: 8 Principal 8 Gedeckt 4 Octave 4 Gemshorn (Sw) 2 Super Octave Mixture III 8 Fagotto (Sw)   Swell: 8 Rohr Flute 8 Gemshorn 8 Celeste 4 Principal 4 Hohl Flöet (ind.) 2 Gemshorn 8 Fagotto Tremulant   Pedal: 16 Subbass 16 Erzahler 8 Principal 8 Gedeckt (Gt) 8 Rohrflute(Sw) 4 Octave 4 Hohl Flöet (sw) 16 Fagott (Sw) 8 Fagott(Sw)   Anyway, just some suggestions.   Kevin Cartwright Greenville, Alabama kevin1@alaweb.com    
(back) Subject: Re: New pipe organ in Oklahoma city From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:21:19 EDT   Hello Everyone,   So many kind people responded to my inquiry about the OK City Episcopal Cathedral organ that I would like to say thanks for such a quick reply. This is a good group to be associated with.   Phil Lyons Jr.  
(back) Subject: Re: Bethany U.M. Church From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 20:57:06 -0500   I'll reply to my own mail here...I noticed that there were 2 more stops in the pedal than in the gt and sw. OOPS!! Let's give it another try...   > BASICALLY--- > Great: > 8 Principal > 8 Gedeckt > 4 Octave > 4 Gemshorn (Sw) > 2 Super Octave > Mixture III > 8 Fagotto (Sw) > > Swell: > 8 Rohr Flute > 8 Gemshorn > 8 Celeste > 4 Principal > 4 Hohl Flöet (ind.) > 2 Gemshorn > 8 Fagotto > Tremulant > > Pedal: > 16 Subbass > 16 Erzahler > 8 Principal > 8 Gedeckt (Gt) > 8 Rohrflute(Sw) > 4 Octave > 4 Hohl Flöet (sw) > 16 Fagott (Sw) > 8 Fagott(Sw)   If I may, I'll move the gemshorn to the great, and add a string to the swell, and actually add that 2 2/3' stop I was talking about earlier, and oops, let's take away that Erzahler afer all. How about some chimes?? Let's rearrange it to:   Great: 8 Principal 8 Gedeckt 4 Octave 4 Gemshorn 2 Super Octave Mixture III 8 Trompette (Sw) Chimes   Swell: 8 Rohr Flute 8 Viole 8 Viole Celeste (TC) 4 Principal 4 Hohl Flöet (ind.) 2 2/3 Nazard 2 Flautino (ind.) 8 Trompette 4 Oboe (or Rohr Schalmei) Tremulant   Pedal: 16 Subbass 8 Principal 8 Gedeckt (Gt) 4 Octave 16 Posuane (Sw) (ext) 8 Trompette(Sw)   Great: exposed, large reed taken from swell, sw-gt 16'-4'. Swell: under expression, large reed, soft reed, 2 2/3' (no mixture), independant 4' flute (metal), sw-sw 16', unison, 4'. Pedal: placed with great (except 16' octaves...unless unexposed or can arrange large pipes in display), octave 4' could be unified from 8' pedal diapason (I prefer that over independant for cost reasons), sw-ped 8', gt-pd 8'.   So, there's a nice little 19 rank organ, if you count the Mixture III as three whole ranks (a Mixture II would also do), and if the pedal's Octave 4' is "borrowed" from the 8' pedal principal. 19 ranks might still be a little much for 200 seats, depending on the size pof the nave they're in, but it can work.   I may be flaunting my ignorance, but it's o.k. to think individually...well, think along the lines of what Jason likes.   Anyway,   Kevin Cartwright Greenville, Alabama kevin1@alaweb.com    
(back) Subject: Re: New pipe organ in Oklahoma city From: GSandlawn@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:11:26 EDT   St. Paul's Episcopal, Oklahoma City. New organ will replace the Aeolian- Skinner destroyed by the bomb. I believe Michael Quimby is the builder... could be wrong.. it could also be Buzard.   Sand Lawn  
(back) Subject: MP3 files for organ fans From: jcmoore <moorehse@midwest.net> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 21:44:58 -0500   I haven't seen much about mp3 files of organ music on the list. Is anyone putting thier own music online in mp3 format? If so, how about letting us know   jc moore FBC Carbondale, IL An ABC church