PipeChat Digest #516 - Friday, September 11, 1998 Re: ACCH organ restoration by <RSiegel920@aol.com> Re: Bethany #2 by "John L. Speller" <email@example.com> Re: ACCH organ restoration by "Robert Horton" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Bethany #2 by "Robert Horton" <email@example.com> New Organ Web Site by "Donald Pole" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Bethany #2 by "Charles Krug" <email@example.com> Re: ACCH organ restoration by <MWORGLBAU@aol.com>
(back) Subject: Re: ACCH organ restoration From: RSiegel920@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:27:36 EDT In a message dated 9/10/98 1:11:52 AM Central Daylight Time, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: << No matter what you may think of the organ tonally or musically, you have to admit it is a unique American Organ, and should be preserved, and restored to playable condition. >> Just curious as to what is the condition of the the Convention Hall itself; i.e . structurally and financially? Is it still used on a regular basis? Has it been updated (utilities et al)? Are there long-term plans for its continued maintenance?
(back) Subject: Re: Bethany #2 From: "John L. Speller" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:50:03 -0500 (CDT) At 01:02 AM 9/10/98 -0400, Bruce Cornely wrote: >One comment about Bethany #2. I would strongly recommend against an >Hautbois-Clarion. They are USELESS: Too loud to be an Hautbois and >the wrong color for a clarion --- waste 0 money. I have played several >organs with 4 Oboe/Hautbois. They do not blend well in chorus either. >Bummerbois! I agree -- and this isn't just true of Hautbois-Clairons (or Oboe-Clarions.) Even where they sound good as individual ranks, one of my pet peeves about most organs built since WW2 is that people seem more interested in designing the Swell reeds to be useful solo reeds than to make a nice Swell ensemble. Too often one finds 16', 8' and 4' reeds, such as 16' Dulzian, 8' Trompette and 4' Hautbois-Clairon that sound fine individually but do nothing together. Yet older organs often had wonderful reeds. There is an Aeolian at Memorial Presbyterian at St. Louis that has 16' Posaune, 8' Trumpet, 8' Oboe, 8' Vox Humana and 4' Clarion as its Swell reeds and they go together wonderfully well. Ditto the 16' Double Trumpet, 8' Trumpet, 8' Oboe, 4' Clarion on the Farrand&Votey/M=F6ller at Holy Communion Episcopal. But why don't we get the same effect out of the Swells of more recent instruments? John.
(back) Subject: Re: ACCH organ restoration From: Robert Horton <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:35:53 -0500 At 08:28 PM 9/9/98 -0500, you wrote: > Are there any plans to fully restore the ACCH organ to total >playability? It would be great to hear a recording of it totally playable. :) Well, once an organ gets to be that size, there's not a playback system on earth that can do it justice...I want to hear that thing live! The ACCH organ has a society of friends just like it's cousin in Philadelphia, you can visit their website at http://www.acchos.org Robert Horton, Organist Rm.970 McCollum Hall, University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS 66045 http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1028/index.html "We have very few churches in this country fit for the performance of Palestrina's music. I know of a jail or two where it would sound wonderfully effective, but there are obvious reasons for not going so far in the pursuit of art." - Horatio Parker, 1920
(back) Subject: Re: Bethany #2 From: Robert Horton <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:45:21 -0500 At 09:40 PM 9/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >Ooh, ooh, ooh... I like the idea of the 16' string facade, Technically, the "Dulsee-anner" is a gentle Principal voice...though like the Salicional of Cavaille-Coll, as soon as the Americans got a hold of it it turned into a string. >But, on an >organ this small, why the 16' principal, 16' bourdon, 16' bassoon, and >16' string in one place? Some organist down the line will "have" to use >them all at once to see what the audience thinks. Well, the audience probably won't even notice the Dulciana because the 16' Principal will effectively swallow it up. >What's this one, >about a 16 rank machine?? The Association of Pipe Organ Builders publishes a lot of helpful information for anybody considering installing a pipe organ. They include a lot of really crucial stuff that nobody ever thinks about...such as "How much will this organ console weigh, and will it fall through the floor?". On their website is a chart for roughly estimating the requisite size of an organ given a building's seating capacity. A 200-seat sanctuary is at the bottom end of the range for a two-manual instrument and the recommended size is 10-16 ranks. Take a look, they've got a nice website and will enjoy the company. http://www.tneorg.com/apoba/ RH
(back) Subject: New Organ Web Site From: Donald Pole <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:04:06 Announcing the Pole and Kingham web site at: www.pandk.com Specs, pics and audio! Don Pole
(back) Subject: Re: Bethany #2 From: "Charles Krug" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:19:45 -0400 *decloaks* I'm in agreement about the reeds. In fact, most small organs have pretty useless reeds, in my experience. I'd be much happier with an extra flute mutation so I can approximate a Cornette rather than a half-baked reed. This has the added advantage of eliminating the "reedless summer." You say that the minumum recommended nave for a 2-manual organ is 200 seats? Gee, my nave is only 100 seats! Given the money (sadly lacking--for construction maybe, but then the congregation would complain about the maintenance. They complain about $50/year for the Allen service contract.) I'd like maybe a 8 or 9 rank instrument. I see no reason why that shouldn't be spread across two manuals and pedal. The pedal division is easy: Bourdon 16' Gt-Ped. No room for anything else! Charles
(back) Subject: Re: ACCH organ restoration From: MWORGLBAU@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:05:04 EDT Dear List, "Are there any plans to fully restore the ACCH organ to total playability? It would be great to hear a recording of it totally playable. :) There are no doubt many reasons why that may be difficult, improbable, or even impossible. $, for one." I'd had a conversation with, I believe it was Homer Lewis, of Trivo shortly after gambling was legalized in Atlantic City. Apparently the city fathers, at that time, knew that with the gambling, there would be extra revenue in the coffers for public works projects. They had been approached by persons interested in seeing the organ restored. It was suggested that Moller do the project, since they were the largest organ concern in the United States at the time. Moller was indeed contacted, and some preliminary discussions were done. It was even agreed by Moller that the project was reasonably beyond even them, as it would tie up everything for them for several years. It was therefore concluded that a project leader (an organbuilder) be hired to oversee the project (someone such as a Nelson Barden or Jack Bethards), and the project broken down into many, many small parts, each one to be done by a different organbuilding company. This is where, apparently, everything came to a screeching halt. Nothing further transpired, and nothing more was said. Agreed, it would be interesting to see it fully functional. Michael R. Williamson Williamson-Warne & Associates Hollywood Ca.